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00:00We're talking about, whew, and I know it's a lot, NBA free agency.
00:05Boy, it's been coming at you fast, Warrior fans.
00:07Have you been able to keep up with all the movement?
00:09Remember, there was Kevon Looney, then he left.
00:13And then that was it.
00:15That's been NBA free agency for Warriors fans so far.
00:18So hopefully you're keeping up with it,
00:20and we wonder about the experience you're having
00:22versus what you thought this first week was going to be like.
00:26Let's go to Jason in L.A.
00:28Hi, Jason. Thank you for calling. What's up?
00:32Guys, how are you?
00:33Let me just say, first of all, what an honor it is to be joining you guys
00:36on the River Islands guest line.
00:39One of you had said earlier, I mean, I am on the River.
00:44You know what? We'll get to that later.
00:46One of you had said earlier about the July 4th and not being what it used to be.
00:50I'm 60, and if I may be allowed to freestyle here just for a second here,
00:55I've been a longtime Warrior fan.
00:56And, you know, I thought 74, 75 was as good as it was going to get.
01:00The heartbreak in, I think it was, what was it, 70-something,
01:06shortly after against Phoenix, we lost.
01:08And I just thought, that's it.
01:10That's, I mean, the we believe thing was great.
01:13But on July 4th, when KD signed, I was making ceviche, and I called my son.
01:20I said, son, this is why I've been a Warrior fan all my life.
01:24We are about to see the greatest form of basketball, I think,
01:28that either of us could ever imagine.
01:30And it was magical.
01:31And, you know, I just, as a Warrior fan who suffered through countless bad trades
01:38and awful GMs and terrible, terrible free agent signings, we saw magic.
01:44And I think we're just going to have to get used to maybe sucking for a minute.
01:47I would not get rid of the first-round picks.
01:50I think they're going to be very valuable.
01:52I think that we need to look towards the future and say, look, build from the draft,
01:59get a couple free agents here.
02:00I'm not a big Kaminga fan.
02:02I think the word with Kaminga is when.
02:04When was the last time he came back from an offseason you were like, man,
02:08he really has the drop step, or he worked on his defense, or he put 20 pounds on?
02:12I don't see it.
02:14If he had, like, a thumbnail's worth of Kobe's work ethic,
02:17we'd be having an entirely different conversation now.
02:20Guys, I'm super happy to be able to tell you that I beat back pancreatic cancer.
02:26I'm such a grateful Warrior fan.
02:28And I just wanted to also say, you guys got a great one in Risotto.
02:32I've been following this kid since he was a freshman in high school.
02:35His giant takes, his work ethic, his love of sports.
02:39Man, I couldn't be happier for the station or for him.
02:42Guys, I listen all day.
02:43I'm your hugest fan.
02:46And thanks for taking the time.
02:48I really appreciate it.
02:48Okay, Jason, thank you.
02:49Yeah, boy, that call went in, like, 12 different directions.
02:53I mean...
02:53Clip that and send it to Risotto and his mom.
02:56That's going to be a big moment for him.
02:57Might have been his dad on the phone.
02:59Might have been, but that's the most run he's gotten yet.
03:02That was awesome.
03:02And the man beat pancreatic cancer, which...
03:05Which should have been the headline.
03:06Exactly, because, I mean, you've lost someone.
03:08I've lost someone.
03:09Yeah, we all have.
03:10And it's just, you know...
03:11It's the worst.
03:12Yeah, that's not a W you usually get.
03:14No.
03:14I mean, depending on the stage.
03:16But, yeah, that's about as bad as they come.
03:18Exactly.
03:19And so, congratulations on that one, Jason.
03:22He said a bunch of stuff, though.
03:24A lot of good stuff.
03:25Yeah, can I address a couple...
03:26Like, this is one of the things...
03:27I'm glad he brought this up.
03:29I want to get to this.
03:31Boy, I hear so many Warrior fans just sitting with the idea that, quote,
03:37we're going to suck down the road.
03:40I even heard, like, Evan and Guru were talking today.
03:43I'm driving in.
03:44And Evan's talking about the future.
03:46And he goes, you want to know what the future for the Warriors is?
03:49And then he goes, first-round pick in 27, first-round pick in 28,
03:53first-round pick in 29, they don't have their pick in 30,
03:57first-round pick in 31, that's your future.
03:59He's not wrong.
04:01I just think you're leaving out all of the things that could be hiding
04:05behind door number two.
04:06You just laid out the next six years of our lives
04:11and acted like there's not anything else that could happen in there.
04:15No trades.
04:17No free agents.
04:18No free agents.
04:19Nobody does free agents anymore.
04:21I don't know when people are retiring, when they're not.
04:25I mean, like, the NBA, the beauty of it in the offseason are the surprises.
04:32And I think we've had a few this time around,
04:34but we're a little short on it in my opinion.
04:37But I'm just not, I'm not of this mindset that the Warriors are automatically,
04:43when Steph Curry retires, I'm not saying they'll be championship level right away.
04:48That's not normal.
04:49But, like, what is this resignation with they're going to suck?
04:53In fact, I would argue the fact that they have held on to all of these picks,
04:59that is how you, that's how you don't suck.
05:02Because either you can make good on those picks,
05:05or you can use those picks as assets when trying to land people when they become available.
05:12There's so many.
05:13I have no idea what the Warriors are going to look like four years from now.
05:17I can't tell you if they're going to be good, bad, or otherwise.
05:20I have no idea.
05:21Yeah, the history of the league would tell you that you're probably going to go through a period when you suck.
05:26After you're great for a prolonged period, it usually then results in you being bad until you replenish.
05:33The LA Lakers are the one example of a team that really hasn't had to do that.
05:37They had a few bad years, and then, you know, there's such a free agent destination
05:41that you're able to bring in Shaq, and you bring in LeBron,
05:46and so they had a chance to continue to reload.
05:48L.A. is the anomaly, and the Spurs, they have now gone through six straight years of no playoffs.
05:55And that was not coming off the championship.
05:59They won the finals, they went to the playoffs five straight years after that,
06:03and then they hit that lull where it's been six years.
06:06And now they're still not all the way back yet.
06:09And I know San Antonio is a lesser destination for free agents than Golden State, presumably.
06:15Totally.
06:15The expectation for me is that you're going to have to go through some years where you're going to be down.
06:21Now, does that mean you're going to be, San Antonio went 22 wins, 22 wins.
06:26Last year they won 34.
06:28They've got Wemby now, so I don't think the Warriors are ever going to go to those lows
06:32because Joe Lacob will go out and try like heck to get free agents.
06:36Well, I mean, you compare them to the Lakers, and obviously the Lakers are,
06:41that's the standard when it comes to free agent destinations.
06:45But let's look at a lot of these teams.
06:48And again, will you go through, quote, a down period?
06:52Well, that depends on how you define a down period.
06:56What does that mean?
06:57Like, not championship contention?
06:59Yeah, you're probably going to go through that.
07:01Or just no playoffs.
07:02But does it mean you're only going to win 20 games?
07:04I don't know.
07:05I mean, look at a lot of these teams.
07:06You know what I mean?
07:07Like, for a while, Miami was winning championships.
07:10And then those guys all left.
07:12I would argue they've largely remained kind of viable
07:15without any other huge stars coming through there during that time.
07:20But kind of viable.
07:22Jimmy Butler goes there.
07:24They visit the finals for a year.
07:27Then he leaves, whatnot.
07:28Like, when you're a destination,
07:32and I do believe that Joe Lacob has built this into being that.
07:36I'm not necessarily, you're not L.A.
07:38You're not the Lakers.
07:39Right.
07:40But as a franchise, you have so much to offer
07:44in terms of the valuation of the team,
07:47the market that you offer,
07:49like the branding that you offer to a free agent.
07:55I don't think you need to compare the Warriors to the San Antonio Spurs.
08:00You compare the Warriors to the Lakers, the Celtics, the Knicks, the Heat,
08:07maybe the Mavericks.
08:09I'm looking at major markets, warm weather, that kind of thing.
08:15And that's what you should be.
08:17So you might be down,
08:19but I am not of the mindset that the Warriors are getting ready for Steph to retire,
08:24and then we get to do 20 wins a year for four years.
08:27I don't think that's going to happen at all.
08:29It shouldn't.
08:29Probably not.
08:30And just looking at the Lakers,
08:32they actually did have a six-year suck,
08:35where they, and you were down there for a lot of this,
08:38they won the finals back-to-back,
08:40then the three straight years, playoffs and out,
08:42and then it was six years.
08:43Mike D'Antoni, Byron Scott, Luke Walton,
08:47and then Frank Vogel got there,
08:49and they won the bubble chip.
08:50But it was six years of really being bad,
08:54including a 17-win year, 21, 27, 26.
08:58So that is more the norm than what you're thinking that the Warriors might be able to avoid.
09:04I understand that that happened,
09:06but each one of these scenarios has its own personality.
09:11I would argue that at that point of the Laker run,
09:14I think that what essentially was happening was the Lakers went ahead,
09:19and they turned in their playoff card
09:21to ensure that Kobe Bryant would finish his career there.
09:25They loved him that much.
09:27And there is almost a comp.
09:29You know what I mean?
09:29Like, I hate always staying there.
09:31What if something didn't go well over the next couple of years physically for Steph Curry?
09:36You know, would the Warriors be like,
09:37doesn't matter, we're still keeping him
09:40so that he can finish his career here?
09:42I think a lot of people would sign up for that,
09:45and that might mean bad basketball for a while.
09:47I don't know.
09:49But again, now, I mean, I'm making something up that hasn't happened yet.
09:53The Lakers didn't have to have it go that way.
09:56They kind of chose.
09:57They chose to pay Kobe Bryant,
09:59make sure that he could have his finish-your-career-here ride,
10:03and he did, and they weren't any good.
10:05And then that's it.
10:06And then they rebuilt themselves,
10:08and off they went right back to being a good team again.
10:11But you don't have to do a lengthy period of non-playoffs
10:16if you are a free agent destination.
10:19Yes.
10:19And a spender.
10:20Right.
10:20And they're both.
10:21Well, it's harder now as we get back to this dud of a free agency period
10:26because all the rules make it so it's really difficult.
10:30So if Steph and Draymond and Jimmy all do go out together,
10:33and you get two years down the road from now,
10:36and they all decide, you know, we're good with basketball, we're out,
10:39well, the Warriors are going to have a hard time going out there
10:43and attracting one of the top-of-the-line free agents
10:46because those guys tend to want to go out into a winning situation.
10:50And if the Warriors don't have Steph and Draymond and Jimmy
10:53after a couple years, and you do have what you have now,
10:57and they're all a little bit older and all a little bit better,
10:59I don't think that you're as attractive of a destination.
11:02Well, that's true, but again, there are ways to sort of soften the transition.
11:08Yes, they do have to hit on their draft picks.
11:10Right.
11:10They're going to have to have some good young players that come up
11:14and you go through a period.
11:15I just don't know if it necessarily needs to look like San Antonio.
11:19And even that has not been, like, devoid of fun.
11:22You know what I mean?
11:22They're not winning a lot of games, but when Benyama's there,
11:25then they're hit on Stephon Castle and poof.
11:28If, like, there's the excitement,
11:30even though they're not, like, threatening for titles as of yet.
11:34Let's go to Larry in Lafayette.
11:36Hi, Larry.
11:36Thank you for calling.
11:37What's going on?
11:39Well, we've got a major hurdle to being a destination,
11:42and that's the 9% income tax.
11:44I think we're seeing a lot of that in the free agent non-moves
11:49that are happening now.
11:51And the other thing is if we're really going to hold on
11:54to all of those draft picks,
11:55we really owe it to Steph to trade him somewhere
11:59where he can go and be successful.
12:03Yeah, that's a non-starter for me, Larry.
12:05Totally.
12:05I mean...
12:06I don't...
12:07Yeah.
12:07I don't know why this doesn't go away.
12:11Well, it...
12:11I just...
12:12I don't...
12:13Like...
12:13The notion of doing right by Steph,
12:15if he actually had that thought of,
12:18guys, I don't like where we're at right now...
12:20Yeah, he doesn't want to leave.
12:21And if he did,
12:22they would have to find a way to trade him.
12:24But I don't think that he wants that.
12:26And the other piece,
12:27you talked about the Forbes valuation, right?
12:29And it's $10 billion,
12:31the Golden State Warriors, and...
12:33Yeah.
12:33The Forbes valuation was 9,
12:35but the fact that the Lakers sold out of 10...
12:38Right.
12:39...the Warriors estimate that they might be as much as 13.
12:42Okay.
12:42And let's just assume that that's the number.
12:45Whatever the number is,
12:46when Steph is gone,
12:47and your team takes a step back
12:50in terms of on-court production and winning,
12:53that value goes down a little bit.
12:55Not a ton,
12:56but that will go down a little bit in the value
12:58if you are a 22-win team.
13:01But if that is the case,
13:04why would you want to speed that process up
13:06if you're Joe Lacombe?
13:07By the way, I think that that...
13:08You know, we were...
13:09There was a lot of talk about that
13:11when the Laker thing went down
13:12about what the Warriors are worth
13:14and how much Steph Curry's presence means to that.
13:17And I was talking to somebody about this over the weekend.
13:20They made a good point.
13:21They're like,
13:22Sure, Steph Curry, when he retires,
13:25does that mean there's a bump in the value?
13:28Probably.
13:29But if you're looking at this thing
13:31as if it is, let's say,
13:33California Beach real estate,
13:35there's zero long-term chance that that goes down.
13:40It might bump when Steph retires,
13:43and that might last three years
13:44or four years or five years or whatever.
13:47But even if it's someday
13:48not the highest valuation in the NBA,
13:51it doesn't matter.
13:52It's going up.
13:53It's going up.
13:55Right.
13:55There's no chance that it goes down long-term.
13:58Of course not.
13:58And the biggest part of that is the building itself.
14:02And so you have this arena
14:03that is printing money
14:05with 180 or so events a year
14:07outside of basketball.
14:09And so that's where a lot of the valuation stems from.
14:12So when Steph is gone,
14:14you're still going to have Chase Center,
14:15I'm being told.
14:16Yeah.
14:17You just got that in your ear?
14:20Thank you, Randy.
14:20Appreciate that.
14:21Yeah.
14:21No, that's absolutely true.
14:23Now, I saw this on Twitter
14:25because this was from our previous conversation.
14:29And Lucas sent out my quote
14:31where I just said,
14:32I'm just here to let the NBA know you lost us.
14:35Nobody wants to understand this.
14:37You're entertainment.
14:38And this is not entertainment.
14:39This is boring as hell.
14:41And basically,
14:42if you're just joining us,
14:43this is a conversation about how
14:45this new CBA, for me,
14:47has a bunch of unintended consequences.
14:49And what you're seeing is less movement.
14:50And the movement you are seeing
14:52is largely being done against people's will.
14:54These teams don't want to trade these players.
14:56They have to trade these players.
14:58They have to.
14:59At least they perceive it that way.
15:01They've got to get under this line
15:03and that line.
15:04And no fan even knows what these lines are.
15:06You could,
15:07if you went out on the street
15:09and said,
15:09give me the difference
15:10between the first apron
15:11and the second apron.
15:13What are we talking about here?
15:15We're talking about somebody
15:16who's in the kitchen
15:17and why is somebody wearing two aprons?
15:19Exactly.
15:19Isn't one apron enough?
15:20You don't want that many cooks in the kitchen.
15:22Right.
15:23Nobody understands this stuff.
15:24Nobody wants to understand this stuff.
15:26Nobody should have to understand this stuff.
15:29Someone hit us back
15:30and wrote,
15:31what a dumb take.
15:32It's about making the actual sport
15:35interesting and fun,
15:36not trades and free agency.
15:39Oh.
15:41What do you think is actually interesting and fun?
15:45Trades and free agency.
15:47How many years in a row now
15:49have people said on social media
15:51the offseason outrates the in-season?
15:54What is it that you find interesting?
15:56When Charlotte comes to town
15:58on a Tuesday in November?
15:59No, we can't get up for Charlotte
16:00on a Tuesday in November.
16:02I mean, my God.
16:03The offseason is absolutely,
16:06in fact, in many ways,
16:07the focus of these sports leagues.
16:09Trying to make themselves interesting
16:11year-round.
16:12Right.
16:12Watch what the NFL's done.
16:14They're brilliant.
16:15They're brilliant.
16:15They've got something for you
16:16every single month.
16:18Well, except July, really.
16:19Until the end of July.
16:20I mean, even July.
16:21They do about a four-week period
16:22where they kind of just shut it down.
16:24But July's got camp.
16:25Eventually, yeah.
16:26Camp will open in July.
16:27Yeah, you get that.
16:28We are in the dead spot right now.
16:30But even with that,
16:31what football is so great at
16:33is the fantasy football aspect.
16:34And so now,
16:35you're being flooded
16:36with all my top five running backs
16:38and sleeper tight ends
16:39and all the rest of it.
16:40So even though football
16:41is away right now,
16:43it's all pumping out
16:45the content for the fantasy.
16:46Bro, I'm getting emails
16:47from Matthew Barry every day.
16:49Every day.
16:51Sometimes twice.
16:52Nice.
16:52He's got a lot to say.
16:53You guys are close like that.
16:54No.
16:54He's just emailing you.
16:55No, he's got a newsletter.
16:57Gotcha.
16:57I think I accidentally subscribed to it
16:59or something like that.
17:00It's there every day.
17:01And one out of four times,
17:03I'm like,
17:04oh, I better read that.
17:05It's July.
17:06Getting close.
17:07I'd like to be smarter
17:08than all of my friends.
17:09That's right.
17:10So I better read that.
17:11But anyway, yeah,
17:12like that's how these leagues
17:14are operating.
17:15They badly want the offseason.
17:18They badly want to have
17:19something to offer their fans
17:21year-round.
17:23And if you watch the way they,
17:25when they release the schedule
17:26and when's the draft
17:28and when's OTAs
17:29and when's the underwear Olympics
17:31and when's all,
17:32like, yes,
17:33they're trying to cover
17:34as much of the calendar
17:35as possible.
17:37And the NBA
17:37had been really good at it.
17:39And I think that they've lost
17:40a little bit of their fastball
17:42the last couple of years
17:43because this has gotten
17:44too complicated.
17:45And they did it
17:46in exchange for having parity
17:48and having it so that
17:50teams can't necessarily
17:51blow other teams
17:53out of the water
17:53just because you're
17:54happen to be owned
17:55by somebody with a lot
17:56of money.
17:57And so you're able
17:58to go up and pay
18:00through the nose on tax
18:01because our caller
18:02earlier was right.
18:03The tax bill
18:04that Joe Lacob paid
18:05was record setting.
18:07And he was,
18:09quote,
18:09happy to do it
18:10because they were
18:11a winning team.
18:12And then with the new CBA,
18:13you can still do that.
18:15But if you do it
18:15in back-to-back years,
18:16now we're going to have
18:17to penalize you.
18:18You're going to be punished
18:19and you're going to have
18:21your draft pick
18:21go all the way to the back
18:23of the first round
18:24and all these other things.
18:26And I just was looking
18:27at, I think,
18:28the Clippers.
18:29They're now hard-capped
18:30in the first apron.
18:31I'm like,
18:32what the hell
18:32does that even mean?
18:33Or Atlanta, I think,
18:34might be hard-capped
18:35in the first apron.
18:36No, it was Miami.
18:37I'm sorry.
18:38You know what this has led to?
18:39I'm getting confused.
18:40Of course.
18:40I hope you're getting confused.
18:42That means you're
18:42a regular human being.
18:44And here's the thing
18:46where I will admit
18:47there is,
18:48and I don't know
18:48if selfish is the right word,
18:50but this is from our perspective
18:53inside what we do.
18:55And I don't mean this,
18:56I'm not coming down
18:57any fans' road
18:57because we've all been,
18:59we've all fallen prey
19:00to this one time
19:01or another,
19:02if not 50 times.
19:03But what ends up happening
19:05is,
19:06and this isn't our city,
19:07this is every city,
19:08you've got a line
19:10of people
19:10who are either,
19:12whether it's calling
19:12a sports radio show,
19:14whether it's just going
19:15on social media
19:15or whatever,
19:16but you're all asking
19:18for NBA teams
19:19to do things
19:20they can't even do
19:21if they wanted to.
19:23And then you're getting
19:24mad at them
19:25when they don't.
19:26And that is absolutely,
19:27the Warriors are absolutely
19:29one of those teams.
19:30Like,
19:32100%.
19:33No,
19:34you gotta maximize
19:35Steph's
19:36remaining career.
19:37So you gotta get
19:38Giannis and LeBron.
19:40You can't.
19:42You literally can't.
19:44But that's what we,
19:45and those people
19:46will argue with you.
19:47Well, you can.
19:48Well, sure.
19:49You're right.
19:50You can.
19:50If you'd like Joe Lacob
19:51to literally get himself
19:53to a point
19:54where he is spending
19:55$50 million
19:56for every actual
19:57million dollars
19:58and you'd like him
19:59to start losing draft picks
20:00and you'd like him
20:01to trade all of his draft picks
20:02and you really want
20:04to confirm
20:04that the Warriors
20:05will be bad for not 10,
20:06how about 20 years
20:08after Steph retires?
20:10If you really want him
20:10to mismanage his business
20:12that way,
20:13you're right,
20:13it's allowed.
20:15But it is,
20:16the penalties are so great,
20:17no one would do this
20:18in a million years,
20:20but we can't ask fans
20:21to understand that
20:22because the league
20:23has been talking
20:24over our heads
20:25for two years now.
20:27And if you're the
20:29snooty McTootie
20:31out there
20:31that's like,
20:32well,
20:32I don't know why
20:32these guys,
20:33I understand you.
20:34I get it great,
20:35you get it,
20:35you're the one.
20:36But nobody,
20:38I don't even want
20:39to understand this.
20:41And by the way,
20:42I do get some of it.
20:44Oh yeah.
20:44We don't even talk
20:45about it much
20:46because we're fully aware
20:47that when you talk
20:47about it on the radio,
20:48it doesn't make any sense.
20:50When people glaze over.
20:51Totally.
20:52And we had the caller
20:52earlier who was running
20:53down a lot of it
20:54and it's like,
20:55it's tough to even
20:56listen to for 90 seconds
20:58during a phone call
20:59because it's all
21:00so confusing
21:02and so much mumbo jumbo.
21:04Here's an idea.
21:05Have a player
21:05and you like the player
21:07and you just pay him.
21:08I get that player.
21:09And you keep him,
21:10yeah.
21:10Exactly.
21:11Or when you trade people,
21:12it's like,
21:13you get him,
21:14I get him.
21:15I get that.
21:16Well,
21:16the salaries have to be
21:17within 125% of each other,
21:19otherwise you're hard
21:20capped in the first apron.
21:21That's right.
21:22But then even if it goes
21:23through three weeks
21:23from now,
21:24we'll tell you
21:24it's actually an 18 deal
21:26and somebody else got,
21:28you know,
21:28something else.
21:29Whatever.
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