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‘We Cannot Spend Money On Ridiculous Policies’: William Timmons Slams 'Egregious Waste’ Within NGOs
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6/4/2025
During a House Oversight Committee hearing on Wednesday, Rep. William Timmons (R-NC) slammed wasteful spending of NGOs.
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South Carolina. Thank you, Madam Chair. It's hard to remember why we're here, given all the
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conversations we're having, but we're here because we have $37 trillion in debt and we run a $1.8
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trillion annual deficit. And we're here to seek out waste, fraud, and abuse, deliver on government
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efficiency, and try to right the fiscal ship of this country so we can have a country for
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another generation or two. So we're doing great work. We had a hearing a couple weeks ago with
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NPR and PBS, and we made clear to the American people that those two entities were not deserving
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of taxpayer dollars because they were not doing their job. They were wildly biased. They were
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wildly biased. And because of that, they do not deserve taxpayer funds. So we're going to vote
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next week to stop giving them money. And we're going along the same lines with this hearing
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because the EPA handed out $27 billion in the last year of the Biden administration. And it was done
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really because they thought they were going to lose the election and they wanted to get out as
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quickly as possible. Biden appointees in the EPA specifically said that the people that were
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getting the money weren't really, weren't deserving of that money. And there were a lot of concerns
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there. Obviously, we have this conversation about one of the most egregious, which is power forward
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communities. We keep talking about it. And Madam Chair, I'd like to enter their 990 in for the
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record. Without objection, so ordered. So this is from 2023. This is a less than a year old entity. And
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as we've talked again and again, they had $100 in their account. And then the EPA under the
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greenhouse gas reduction fund gave them $2 billion. Well, the funny thing is, is they didn't give it
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give it all to them. They wanted to get it all, but the EPA said no. And so now we're in this lawsuit
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where Citibank has the vast majority of it and we're going to get it back. And that's why we're
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here. We're going to pass legislation. This is the hearing to show why this is ridiculous. This is,
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I would just say, waste. Maybe even call it fraud. I don't know. It's definitely an abuse. So this money
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is coming back. And this is the hearing to then warrant the rescission. And we're going to have a vote in a
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couple of weeks. And that's what we're doing. And that's why we're here. Because we cannot spend
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money on ridiculous policies. Mr. Turner, do you agree with me? Are we moving in the right direction
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here? Yes. And it's critical that we move in this direction. Thank you, sir. And this is just for the
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EPA. We haven't even gotten into the border security nonsense. I mean, the invasion that was funded by
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taxpayer dollars over the last four years. The Biden administration intentionally and systematically
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incentivize people to come into this country without knowing any idea who they were. And the
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best part is, is they're making Americans get these ridiculous vaccines, which we're going to talk
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about in a couple of weeks. But they don't have any tests for whether the people, the 20 million people
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they brought in this country are vaccinated. The irony is just incredible. So back to the issue at hand.
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Power forward communities should not have $2 billion. Mr. Walter, do you agree that it is an
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egregious waste of taxpayer dollars to give $2 billion to a bunch of former Obama and Biden
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high level employees? Absolutely. I'll give you a better one. Do you think that they would have
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gotten this money if they were not the former HUD secretary, the former OMB director, the special
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assistant to Obama, the former Fannie Mae head for Obama, do you think that if we just got a random
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group of Americans and said, hey, you want to go, you know, give clean energy appliances to reduce the
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carbon footprint of our country to a bunch of poor people? Do you want to go do that? Do you want to
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apply and we'll give you $2 billion? Mr. Walter, is there any world in which the EPA would have given
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a random group of people $2 billion? Not at all. And that is a critical part of the NGO sector in addition
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to the heroes who actually do charitable work. I'll give you one better. Mr. Turner, should we
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be giving billions of dollars to 501c3s that have zero other income? 35,000 501c3s have zero other
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income. They're all government income. Should we do that? No, sir. And if I may, the egregious thing
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here is that they are bypassing the Congress. If you want to give Stacey Abrams $2 billion,
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appropriate it. But they are using this process to bypass Congress because no one would put their name
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on a bill to give Stacey Abrams $2 billion. I'm in with this. Dozens, dozens of 501c3s,
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tax exempt organizations, organizations that we feel are pursuing some benevolent in
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a goal to improve the lives of Americans. Dozens of these 501c3s, their CEOs make more than $10 million
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a year in salary. We got to change this. I put that in the waste, the fraud and the abuse category
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and we need to pass a law to make that better. Thank you, Madam Chair. You're back.
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Thank you. I now recognize Ms. Crockett from Texas.
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Thank you so much, Madam Chair. It is interesting that we're talking about bypassing Congress. It seems
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