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  • 6/3/2025
At a Senate Finance Committee hearing on Tuesday, Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) spoke of the existence of an international ‘illicit economy.’

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00:00Thank you Senator Grassley. Senator Whitehouse. Thanks very much Chairman.
00:07Mr. Morrissey, section 7217 of the Internal Revenue Code says that it is
00:13unlawful for the president or for cabinet secretaries to request directly
00:19or indirectly that the Internal Revenue Service audit or investigate any
00:25particular taxpayer. Are you clear on that provision? Senator, thanks for the
00:34question and for the time you and your staff took to meet with me on this. Yes,
00:38I'm clear and aware of that statute. And it's a criminal act? I think that statute
00:42includes, yes, reporting instructions and potential criminal penalties as well.
00:48Let me turn to the Corporate Transparency Act which we also talked about and which
00:55also has both law enforcement and national security components to it. And
00:59since Chairman Crapo and Chairman Grassley are both here, let me take a moment to
01:05thank them for their leadership and getting that bill through. It sort of
01:09developed in the Judiciary Committee under Senator Grassley and moved to the
01:14Banking Committee under Chairman Crapo to get past there. So I want to thank them
01:20for their good work. We did good work here too. So just a couple of observations. The
01:28Foundation for Defense of Democracies has said that the existing proposed FinCEN
01:34final rule, quote, would deliver a profound blow to U.S. law enforcement and
01:39national security interests. And noted that narco-traffickers widely use U.S.
01:45anonymous shell companies to hide their identities, launder cash, and commit crimes.
01:50The Hudson Institute warned that the interim final rule, quote, undermines U.S.
01:56foreign policy and national security. The George W. Bush Institute agrees that it
02:01undermines the intended purpose to safeguard the national security of the
02:05United States. The Quincy Institute said the rule, quote, is a threat to U.S.
02:11national security. The National District Attorneys Association predicted
02:16devastating consequences for law enforcement's ability to fight criminal
02:20enterprises that exploit shell companies to launder money, traffic drugs and
02:24weapons, and fund human trafficking and terrorism. And the National Narcotics
02:28Officers Association said that requiring businesses to disclose their true
02:32beneficial owners under the CTA is a critical tool for law enforcement. Do you
02:37understand the national security and law enforcement imperatives that caused this
02:43bipartisan law to be passed in the last Trump administration with the active
02:47support of the administration? Senator, thank you, and thank you for our
02:53discussion of this in your office. Yes, I'm familiar with that statute and the
02:58important responsibilities the Treasury has to root out illicit finance. I think
03:04this is, you know, the information covered by this is some of the, you know, is very
03:08important information to those responsibilities. Well, I would I would urge
03:10you to bring that awareness with you into your position at Treasury. I believe that
03:21there is a an international illicit economy that is now sufficiently robust and takes on
03:30all kinds of different miscreants. Whether you're a kleptocrat who's rooted, who has
03:36looted your country so that it doesn't have good roads or hospitals but you have
03:40billions of dollars to stash away, or whether you're a fentanyl trafficker dealing
03:44in billions of dollars that needs to be hidden and squirreled away, or a human
03:49trafficker, or an arms trafficker, or an international criminal organization, or one
03:54of Putin's crooked oligarchs, they are all served by this illicit economy. And I think
04:05it is very much in the United States both law enforcement domestically and national
04:12security internationally interests to make sure that we are attacking that illicit
04:21economy. Because the entities that it serves and the individuals that it serves are almost
04:27certainly our enemies. So I hope that you understand that. I'll ask you to, I've got
04:3530 seconds left, so I'll ask you to comment on what you think is the case with respect to
04:39the danger to the United States of that international illicit economy that aids and abets or gives aid
04:46and comfort to our enemies. Thank you, Senator. Yes, I think illicit finance can foster a range
04:55of criminal activities that undermine national securities, whether it's drug trafficking,
04:59money laundering, human trafficking. I think when the department considers regulating in this space,
05:05it's imperative that we are working to make sure law enforcement has the information it needs,
05:09and that we're regulating responsibly in a way that does not impose undue burdens on
05:13law-abiding taxpayers as we try to do that. My time has expired, and I thank the
05:20ranking member. Senator Blackburn's next.

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