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00:00hi everybody today's monday june 2nd 2025 and our friend larry johnson is back with us welcome
00:13back i'm glad you still consider me a friend yeah dear friend
00:18all right you're a you're a good kid i'll keep you in the well
00:25larry let's get started with what has happened ukrainian drone attack somehow exaggerated in
00:35the media somehow diminished the picture your take on what has happened in ukraine in russia
00:41are you suggesting that the media misreports things and exaggerates i'm shocked i'm glad i
00:49was sitting down i would have passed out yeah this was uh this is another classic
00:56information operation now i i don't want to uh minimize the severity of what it was it was it
01:04was serious not so much by the amount of damage that was caused but by the nature of the targets
01:14that were struck uh these bombers are part of russia's you know we call it it's called the
01:21triad you've got three legs in the nuclear response you've got those that are launched from the land
01:28those that are launched from the sea and those that are launched from the air so this is the air
01:35component this was a direct attack on russia's nuclear capability and you know i don't know what
01:48the hell they were thinking because this let's be clear ukraine did not do this on its own this was
01:55not just a ukrainian plan that they came up with and they they put together they bought the components
02:01and they placed the people and they they controlled the the the communications no uh this clearly
02:10had the involvement um most likely of british intelligence but i cannot rule out that u.s
02:18intelligence was also involved even though the united states is strongly denied it but you know
02:25there's this thing that the you know cia has always used and other intelligence organizations
02:31called plausible deniability you that's why you conduct a covert operation so that the president
02:39can claim well i don't know we had nothing to do with that that wasn't done on my orders
02:43but in fact was a part of a intelligence network so um the the key thing that strikes me is
02:55how were those drones turned on you know first they were they were actually uh you know put together
03:04assembled with the explosives then they were placed in the truck but that doesn't turn them on
03:11and then once they get turned on they take off how do they know where to go
03:17and you know some are suggesting oh the guidance was just done via the telephone system i don't believe
03:25that for a minute uh so this suggests something more sophisticated and uh you know fortunately
03:32uh you know there are like i think a total of five to seven planes damaged and or destroyed
03:40you know a significant amount less than the than what the ukrainians claimed at 40
03:48but uh russia has viewed this as an escalation uh i i think there's a realistic possibility
04:02that we'll hear from putin sometime today now that the talks have uh broken down ended in istanbul
04:10uh that uh uh russia will declare war they'll move this from a special military operation to war
04:18which means mobilization and means uh the no more restraint on a variety of targets
04:27uh i think it's highly likely they're going to see russia use not just one but multiple numbers of
04:34the russian missile against strategic targets inside ukraine ukraine is going to parry
04:40a heavy price this is what took place yesterday is the classic definition of a pyrrhic
04:48victory you get a tactical win but a strategic defeat and that's what's going to take place for ukraine
04:56lary five bases were attacked if i'm not mistaken is that the case well actually you're not mistaken you
05:06were just reading crappy reporting that was mistaken uh the five bases were targeted but i think there
05:14were only actual hits on three of them two of the bases were able to destroy or stop the drones
05:20in terms of lary i don't know if you saw the the article on cnn it says that pete hexett
05:32in pentagon chief pete hexett watched the ukrainian drone attack live yesterday if that's the case
05:42is that going to be of concern for the trump administration do you think that the reporting
05:48honestly on the way that the trump administration somehow the head of pentagon was involved in
05:56that sort of attack um i would find it i won't say it's impossible but for um pete hexett to sit
06:07there and quote watch it would mean that there would have to be either um the ukrainians one of the
06:16drones that they uh were using provided video coverage and the united states was tapped into that
06:24uh if that's and that's that's one possibility uh otherwise you know the what the ones i have seen
06:32that during my time working with the military with the the terminate they called it kill tv
06:40because somebody was usually getting killed with a drone but you would have another drone up that
06:46would be providing you know lifetime video feed um if that is true that hegseth was watching this
06:56real time that tells you that the united states absolutely knew this was coming about
07:02and was a participant in some way
07:05it's so amazing larry that you see the new round of negotiations today which lasted more than an hour
07:16an hour and 15 minutes and russia is so calm russia is just they consider the separation between the
07:27different fronts of the different fronts of the conflict in ukraine and do you feel if donald trump
07:33was was in a in a similar position as in a similar situation as vladimir putin is today
07:41what would what could have been his reaction an attack on russia as you mentioned it's nuclear bombers
07:51these these these drones these drones attack a very important part of the military industrial complex
08:01and the military the power of russia what would be the reaction on the part of the united states if
08:07something similar had happened to them oh we would view it as an act of war and would respond accordingly
08:15um you know and this is uh you know i i had uh i had uh exchange some messages with our friend pepe escobar
08:26uh earlier this today and as uh you know i i posed the pepe the questions you know thinking
08:34you know this is this is going to be a game changer with respect to the war in ukraine from the russia standpoint
08:43uh and um pepe agreed he's you know he said that these talks and this symbol were doa dead on arrival
08:52i i think the the you know the combination of the attack on the airfields coupled with the
09:00terrorist attacks on the two bridges one in briansk uh and one in belgorov in in kursk i was it kursk or
09:10belgorov uh so the but that is uh you know that's now pushed russia that uh the the peace any quote
09:23peace negotiations they're dead they're off the table uh ukraine has foregone its last opportunity
09:30and you know russia's gonna crush it militarily so um this you know put um we know that marco rubio
09:43and uh foreign minister love rolf spoke yesterday as i checked late last night
09:51which would have been very early morning um moscow time there was still no readout from the foreign
09:57ministry um my guess is it was not um a polite con it was it was a professional conversation
10:09but i think uh love rolf you know read the riot act to rubio and you know sometime i guess after that
10:19call uh trump put out word to the rest of the eu that russia's russia's response is going to be i think
10:27the words were disproportionate um i don't know why the west thinks it's quote disproportionate to
10:34try you know if you launch an attack of my nuclear capability and you think i'm gonna
10:38only sit back and you know throw a paper ball at you forget about it
10:48lary here is what zelensky said about the attack drone attack on russia
10:53what priorities bring our defense and i'm grateful for all the support packages and for every investment
11:01in weapons production in ukraine and for the development of production in your countries as
11:07well europe together with america has better weapons than russia we also have stronger tactical
11:14solutions our operation spiderweb yesterday proved that russia must feel what its losses mean
11:23that is what will push it toward diplomacy and when russia takes losses in this war is obvious to
11:30everyone that ukraine is the one holding the line not just for itself but for all of your
11:37ask your intelligence what is russia planning this summer in belarus if there are bold enough to prepare
11:43attacks from there then we need more strength together nobody can deny that the desperation on the
11:52part of zelensky and his administration is just going through the roof and it the question would be
12:00who's gonna manage that yeah well you gotta terrorism is always the act of desperation now i do draw a
12:09difference between launching drones on a military target which uh is you know i think that that's what i'd call
12:20a legitimate act not that i endorse it but it's not targeting civilians the blowing of the two bridges and
12:31particularly blowing the one bridge so it would collapse on an oncoming train that is an act of pure
12:38terrorism a violation of every standard of international law um but but these kinds of these these are acts of
12:48desperation you know you're not you're not you're not old enough okay hell i'm not old enough
12:55to remember towards the in the last six months of world war ii the germans were launching rockets
13:08into london now these were uh you know these were sort of predecessors of today's you know cruise missiles and such
13:15game changer well it didn't change the outcome of the war at all all it did was kill some civilians
13:26which was uh you know just added up to the the the charges brought against nazi germany at the nuremberg trial
13:34uh so this is uh i i would say this is very similar to that uh it's it's it's uh dramatic
13:44it uh you uh acquires uh news coverage but uh it it does it doesn't change the the military situation
13:54well one bit
13:55lori do you consider these attacks not on the military part on the civilians on the bridges
14:05do you think that these the mastermind of these attacks still do you consider them as
14:13the united kingdom or we're gonna you've mentioned you don't know if the united states cia was involved
14:19in that but i really feel that the united kingdom is the mastermind and all of this desperation acts
14:29on the part of zelensky and his administration because they want to show their they can do something
14:34they can do huge damage on russians that's to get more weapons as zelensky in this video by the way he
14:42was mentioning we need more weapons we need to defend ourselves all of that they they're asking for more
14:48weapons yeah so um if you ask me was donald trump briefed on this and did he approve it and approve
14:58it as a covert operation and sign off on it i i don't believe that um is the cia though operating on authority
15:09it was with respect to carrying out a mission in uh ukraine that um it's still under that authority
15:21you can still collaborate conspire plan and provide support to ukrainian intelligence service yes i think
15:29that that is happening that's what happened here and that the cia is working closely with coordinating with
15:37uh mi6 because uh british and u.s intelligence have been have worked closely throughout this
15:45entire project uh so uh to at a minimum at a minimum there was a cia officer on scene who absolutely knew
15:59what was going to happen so they can't pretend that uh this was a complete surprise
16:07or shock very isn't that amazing that russia keep these bombers out of there there was nothing above
16:16them nothing it was in in a in an area that any drone attack can access that and can why was that the
16:29case in russia why they're not protecting until they're putting them in some sort of building something
16:36that to protect that to protect these bombers they were well that that's a great question because
16:43under the start to treaty one of the requirements is to keep the bomber forces out exposed so that they
16:54can be counted by satellite so this was this was russia abiding by the conditions of that treaty
17:03they may they may they may now move to say okay um you clearly are not honoring the treaty you're not
17:10even controlling your your vassal state so uh and maybe maybe that was actually the the reason behind
17:19this to try to force um the russians into taking action to break the treaty so that the united states could
17:29blame russia you know there's there's a lot going on here but uh i think now the russians are definitely
17:37going to rethink this of course they already did have as we apparently uh air defense systems and
17:46anti-drone systems at least two if not more of the airport so uh again the the amount of damage that
17:54could have been done was not uh a couple of the my understanding is at least two of the trucks that
18:01were supposed to uh launch drones blew up prematurely or were detonated prematurely because they you know
18:11the drivers were like suspicious and start checking it out and uh next thing you know uh the this was
18:19was remotely detonated again that means that they are they're not operating on just local cell phone
18:26lines uh starlink clearly i think was involved uh in providing some coverage of this or that they would
18:35tap into the russian communication system but it ultimately the ultimate monitoring of it back in
18:41uh kiev or wherever uh was done all with the help of western intelligence what colonel jacques beau today
18:52suggested to us is that these containers were somehow self-destructive ones that they anybody try to access
19:01them to try to to invade the containers that could be the outcome that that could bring some sort of explosion to
19:09the container yeah that seems that seems to be the case yeah and how these people who were
19:19driving these trucks to get to the location that they wanted to get we these people were russians
19:27yeah they're probably russians you know the they were hired as contract uh truck drivers say hey you've
19:33got this you know we need to hire your truck they didn't know what is in that
19:39uh well you would think that they would ask but uh there's no guarantee that somebody would nest you
19:45know if they're being offered enough money to drive it they'd say hey we just need you to drive this
19:49truck from here to here okay then you get paid x amount they give you some money up front to make sure you do it
19:56uh
20:00larry zelensky in this video he said that i think everyone saw the operation yesterday one of them
20:08at least that's why we need more support from our european and american partners
20:15a strengthening ukraine now means strengthening europe's frontline is there anybody in the but in the trump
20:23administration buying these sort of allegations on the part of zelensky no i well you know keith
20:31kellogg you know yeah i'm sure there are a few but the question is is trump buying it and i don't think so
20:42here is here is what keith kellogg said larry mr murch has said well i'm going to give ukrainians
20:50the taurus missile system well that's like a tomoc land attack missile in miniature form
20:56it's got a significant warhead to it it travels you know roughly 300 miles which means you can
21:03penetrate deep into russian space putin has made those comments well if the russia if you know if
21:07you're going to supply them with weapons we continue to part of the aggressor and he considers this a
21:12a proxy war by nato as well right now and frankly in a way it is i mean when you look at what european
21:22nations have done with support i mean it's clearly putin sees that even keith kellogg says if you sent
21:30tourist missiles to ukraine that would be yeah so you know the as i always use i like to use the expression
21:40uh referring to helen keller and people may or may not know who helen keller was but she was a
21:46a woman who became famous working for people with a visual auditory uh disability she she was deaf she
21:56couldn't hear she was blind and she couldn't speak but she still managed to have an impact on the world
22:03but nonetheless being deaf dumb and blind means you you know you can't really see or perceive what's
22:10going on around you and uh you know what kellogg said i said that even even helen keller would recognize
22:20yes this is a proxy war and it is uh is it's it's dangerous at some point this proxy can turn into
22:32direct war um the united states the these policy makers so many both in the intelligence community
22:41and in the department of defense refuse to put themselves in the shoes of the russians and
22:47think you know how do the russians perceive this well or ask themselves if russia was doing to us what
22:54we were doing to them would we be reacting the same and you know i always think that's that's a great
23:04rule of thumb to follow in international relations you know we call it the golden rule
23:10you do to other people what you want those people to do to you and conversely when you do to other
23:16people uh or if if you start uh doing to other people's violence and uh mayhem
23:26then don't be surprised when the same is visited upon you we know that on the battlefield russians are
23:35advancing in the region on the front line but do you feel that
23:44Zelensky and the administration in ukraine would consider any sort of a strategic gain for what has happened
23:51yesterday but what do you mean by that i mean because it seems that the only the only strategy
24:00on their part right now is getting more fun and weapons from the west to keep going and keep continuing
24:07the conflict in ukraine if that's a strategic goal for them yeah well so yeah from this is a failed
24:17strategy if if you want to make the case that yeah the the the the tactics launching these drone strikes on
24:25the strategic uh bombers of russia was to do was to accomplish several things one to destroy or seriously
24:35significantly damage russia's ability to do air launched cruise missiles and bombs
24:43and in in doing so that we demonstrate to the west one russia's weakness to our capability and then as you
24:53know that that provides um persuades the west to say oh my god ukraine has a they have a chance yeah
25:02let's let's get in there and support them um yes you know it's a failed strategy uh i wrote a piece
25:10uh it was a wednesday thursday uh with respect to the issue of casualties
25:18that are supposedly being inflicted on russia and i went and looked at the number of artillery rounds
25:27being fired by the russians compared to the number of artillery rounds being filed by the
25:32fired by the ukrainians starting in 2022
25:39uh in 2022 uh the ratio was like seven eight to one for every one shell that ukraine would fire
25:51russia's firing seven to eight in 2023 that ratio went 23 to one
26:00now it's down to like 20 between 15 and 20 to one well what that means with respect to casualties
26:16is that if you assume that both sides have the same capability in launching uh artillery strikes and
26:25hitting a target and that a number of those rounds are going to inflict casualties just by definition
26:32by the sheer numbers alone ukraine is going to suffer the disproportionate number of casualties
26:40and when you look at it from a strategic standpoint here's ukraine with a population now estimated
26:48to be about 28 million up against russia which is 140 million so even if russia and ukraine are losing
26:58forces at the same rate ukraine's going to run out well before russia just a simple math problem
27:08uh so this is the the broader strategic outlook for ukraine is it's not only bleak it's it's certain
27:17death ukraine is is the the defeat of ukraine is assured it's just a matter of time and russia has
27:29some control over that time by how quickly it wants to mass force and how much firepower it wants to pour in
27:39on ukraine it has you know it's been conducting special military operation which means
27:46it's not mobilizing all of its forces it's not destroying all the communication centers in ukraine
27:52it's not destroying all the power stations it's not destroying all the field depots it's limited
27:57itself in other words to try to if you will minimize impact on civilians but they could reach a point where
28:06they say okay this is now total war and the civilians are going to suffer
28:12i don't know if you saw lindsey graham talking about that ukraine will win we're going to support
28:20them and do you feel that lindsey graham has something to to do with what has happened in russia
28:28did he know about it maybe he may yeah did he was he told about it briefed on it i i think almost
28:36certainly and you know that's why he's so giddy but uh you know graham um i've been told that uh senator
28:49graham faces some real legal risks now that reportedly he's been receiving uh a lot of money
28:58that's been laundered through latvia coming out of money that the united states sent to ukraine
29:04ukrainians stole it shipped it to latvia and some of it's made its way into senator graham's pockets
29:10we'll see if that uh pans out if that's true i always wonder who's the worst enemy of lindsey graham
29:21is it russians or ukrainians because it seems to me after all the hatred if the hatred is toward russian
29:29is killing all of the ukrainians i think i think his biggest enemy is himself he's his own worst enemy
29:38he opens his mouth he gets into trouble um but you know he's you got you gotta go back and question
29:48what is his obsession with ukraine and i i think when when the evidence is revealed about his financial
29:58the way he's benefited financially from this uh it will help explain a lot
30:03do you feel that anything would come out of the negotiations between russians and ukrainians
30:13every time they're talking about the exchange of prisoners nothing more than that and maybe
30:20zelensky is buying time he's talking about ceasefire he's so serious about achieving some sort of ceasefire
30:26which we know wouldn't be the case on the part of russians and do you see anything beyond that
30:34uh well at this latest meeting uh you know ukraine called for an unconditional ceasefire russia said
30:43yet no and uh it said well we want to have a meeting between putin and zelensky and uh
30:54the russians said yet no uh well we'll talk about exchanging bodies well you know they've already been
31:01doing bodies exchanges you know the last three have been at a rate of like uh for every one uh russian
31:09soldiers body returned there are 26 dead ukrainians um so um this is uh russia's russia's russia's not going to
31:22be the one to say okay we have we're no longer going to talk to you they'll continue to talk but
31:30they're not going to move in their position and you know the ukrainians can continue to insist on
31:37impossible uh points such as oh we've got to have an unconditional ceasefire there will not be an
31:45unconditional ceasefire at all never uh so this the military campaign is going to continue it's going
31:54to increase in intensity and uh i fully expect now since the talks are over um sometime in the next um
32:05um 24 to 36 hours you're going to see some massive massive missile strikes possibly the use of the
32:14arrest nick on on ukraine
32:18larry the situation right now with the negotiations between russia and ukraine is not the way it was in
32:252022. look at zelensky and as his administration they don't have any sort of future without the war
32:33in ukraine and on the other hand europeans are totally involved in the war in ukraine the intelligence
32:41everything everything is involved in ukraine which is which wasn't the case in 2022 that much
32:47of the war in ukraine and well well they were not overtly involved but they were absolutely involved
32:54yeah so with all that said is donald trump
33:01somehow does he have any sort of hope for these negotiations i don't see anything coming out of this
33:09because if donald trump is serious about putting an end to the conflict donald trump can put an end
33:15himself without any sort of help coming from europe and ukraine right right no you're correct um the
33:24united states continues to be an enabler um you know we go uh we go day to day from the you know what
33:35looks like hopeful signs to what looks like no signs um trump's comments over the past
33:44week especially with respect to russia's retaliation against ukraine for the missiles uh for the drone
33:54strikes that occurred prior to may 24th uh indicate that trump is just he's either lying or he's being
34:02deliberately misinformed by his staff and frankly i don't know which it is i i suspect it's deliberate
34:09misinformation but you know it could be wrong for what purpose to because the the staff wants to
34:18continue the painting ukraine as the victim russia as the aggressor and hopefully you later finally
34:26convince trump to uh refund send more money to ukraine send more weapons to ukraine
34:34um based upon the events of this last weekend uh you know since since last friday
34:43with the attacks on the the bridges i guess in briansk and kursk and then the attacks on the airfields
34:50yesterday um russia's uh you know the russia's as they call it the bill of particulars against ukraine is
35:02increasing in size and length here is larry what stormer said about their strategy and today
35:15following through on this review i want to set out three fundamental changes that we're going to deliver
35:23first first we are moving to war fighting readiness as the central purpose of our armed forces
35:34when we are being directly threatened by states with advanced military forces
35:38the most effective way to deter them is to be ready and frankly to show them that we're ready
35:48to deliver peace through strength now britain has the finest these people already are getting ready to
35:57start a new world war in in my opinion nothing but how how can these sort of talks not be
36:08a concern for trump and his administration uh are you familiar with monty python
36:17so we have a british comedy group and they did a they did a brilliant movie on you know based around
36:29the quest for the holy grail king arthur and you know the knights of the round table and in the movie
36:35there was this black knight who encountered one of uh king arthur's guys and the in the course of their
36:45fight they cut off both arms cut off both legs and so this black knight's laying on the ground with no
36:53ability whatsoever to use arms or legs to throw anything to use any kind of weapon all it had
37:00was its mouth was its mouth talking that's britain today okay britain is that lakeless armless
37:10loud mouth they can talk all they want they can't do a damn thing britain is uh in denial
37:23that they they they still fancy themselves as the rulers of the world and hell they can't even rule
37:32their own country so you know and here's starmer he's he's so politically damaged you know this whole
37:40affair over the arson incidents of these ukrainian male models gee how did starmer know them
37:49you know was he rubbing baby oil on their backs you know that's at least one of the suspicions
37:58and these are jilted lovers who you know to you know set fire to his house because i guess he
38:06may have cut off contact or wasn't sending the money or you know but you know three male ukrainian
38:12models just don't this up decide one day hey let's go set fire to this guy starmer's house just to
38:18create an incident so the brits with this kind of talk oh we're we're going to prepare military you
38:27know our military they have no military to speak of excuse me how about the case of mertz he's preparing
38:39to continue supporting ukraine with even without the united states again delusional german german
38:49industry is collapsing it's not expanding they're closing factories they're not opening new factories
38:55they're not increasing the the workforce uh so you know again why is merch saying what he's doing
39:04saying well you know we talked about this uh last week it's the money he's he's he's a black rock
39:09stooge and black rock's got a lot of financial assets at risk in ukraine and is trying to figure out
39:17how to salvage that but um you know they they have they do not have the military or economic means to do so
39:27did you see the article in politico that macron is threatening china with the case of north korean soldiers in
39:40ukraine they said you withdraw these soldiers or you're gonna be at war with nato
39:46i well yeah i mean this these guys are you know yeah macron's threatening china and yet his wife is slapping
39:58him around like the bitch he is you know this is this is not a guy loaded with testosterone that could get
40:07into a fight you know this is what his wife manhandles him
40:15larry right now i think a lot of pressure would
40:20these sort of attacks we don't know i don't know how much you follow the internal media in russia i don't
40:28know how much pressure vladimir putin right now is receiving from the
40:32the public opinion or somehow the elites in russia in terms of the way that he's handling the situation
40:40in ukraine i will i would assume that he's going to receive a lot of pressure from the far right
40:45those people who are more aggressive toward the conflict in ukraine and if that could change the
40:51mindset of vladimir putin and his administration toward the conflict well this is you know this is
40:58surgery sort of the foolish contradictory nature of this strategy i call it the western strategy and
41:06embraced by ukraine that they all they're trying to target it and personalize it in terms of uh
41:13putin as if oh man if they only get rid of putin things would be okay it's like they're not reading
41:20the public correctly uh putin is seen by many in russia as being too slow to anger being too calm and
41:35methodical but that that's putin's nature he doesn't he's not easily rattled yeah and if you go back you
41:44know we mentioned this uh you know last friday you go back and watch oliver stone's four-part series
41:51his interviews with vladimir putin that covered you know really a two-year period you really see that
41:57putin's uh uh he he's a very cerebral guy if if putin was killed or removed the odds that you would get
42:08somebody like a medvedev in in a position of leadership holy smokes medvedev you'll pull the
42:16trigger a lot quicker than putin and if if nothing else what this is revealing is not so much frustration
42:25with putin but growing unity among the russians about finishing ukraine off and then making sure
42:34that it could never again pose a threat to russia larry right now on the battlefield with the situation
42:44that their experience in ukrainians are experiencing do you think that somehow would force europeans to
42:55maybe change their policy in ukraine maybe sending more mercenaries to ukraine because we know that
43:02the situation on the ukrainian or on the part of the ukrainian army is not that good well actually
43:08it looks like the word is getting out at least within the the mercenary the merc community
43:15because um there have been some foreign fighters that are now withdrawing leaving ukraine because you
43:23know they recognize this today they recognize this thing's coming to an end uh ukraine does not have the
43:29manpower or the manpower or the leadership um i i think um you know the time may it may have come for russia to consider
43:41trying to decapitate ukrainian military literally cut off its head destroy uh destroy sirsky
43:51kill the upper leadership and then uh pick pick apart uh the uh what's left of the ukrainian military
44:05with what's
44:09i don't know what's in the mind of the trump and donald trump himself
44:13the negotiations do you think that in his mind and in the people who are who has who have offered
44:22these sort of talks between the two parties do they really believe that would help their position
44:29the trump's position i'm not talking about the people who are willing to continue the conflict
44:34or they feel they would feel in the near future that these sort of thoughts gonna go nowhere and they
44:41have to the united states has to decide what would be the outcome on the part of the united states
44:48because i don't see donald trump continuing this conflict i don't see donald trump supporting this
44:52conflict he can send a lot of weapons if europeans decide to buy from the united states depends on which
44:59donald trump you're talking to i mean he keep you know uh the guy is let's politely call it two-faced
45:08you know he he says the exact opposite thing within a day or two of uh of saying it um you know on one
45:19hand you know this is they're gonna they're gonna they don't reach a deal now we're walking away well
45:24he hasn't walked away yet uh then uh you know as you pointed out a week ago his comments with respect
45:32to russia's uh drone and missile attack in retaliation for the ukrainian one trump only blamed the russians
45:40said nothing about the ukrainians and frankly has not said much at all publicly condemning uh the
45:49terrorist attacks that have taken place on the on those two bridges and the and the death of about 12
45:54people so you know trump is uh he god he's weak he really is he's weak and you know he's you know
46:08he always i say winning winning winning well he's not winning on any front you know he whether you're
46:15talking with respect to russia whether you're talking with respect to the in bringing an end to the
46:21genocide of the palestinians whether you're talking getting a deal done with iran or the tariffs
46:29trump is losing
46:33we know that many people are criticizing and we're criticizing elon musk for his sort of role in
46:43providing this the internet to ukrainians but after all we know that he wasn't in favor of war
46:52for the foreign policy of the united states he wasn't interested in war with china i would argue with
46:59iran with russia and ukraine he was somehow a man of peace he wanted some sort of trade happening
47:07between the united states and these countries this guy is not there anymore he's not he was removed from
47:13the scene or he has decided to get out of the administration if we consider you know musk as a
47:21movement within the administration for peace is that is the administration
47:29losing its momentum to change the course to change the foreign policy of the united states
47:35uh it's an act it's a pr move he he's an enabler of war uh his starlink is providing critical
47:46infrastructure communications infrastructure to the ukrainians to be able to continue to operate in
47:51the field yeah so you know musk is good at pretending oh i'm a man of peace
47:58it's you know like him said hey i'm a family guy yeah he sees how many different women he can sleep
48:03with and how many different kids he can create he's like you know he's like an unofficial polygamist
48:09um but uh you know i i don't uh ignore his prowess as uh as a businessman as a visionary with respect to
48:21a variety of technologies and space travel but uh he he's as much a facilitator of this war as anybody
48:29and to pretend otherwise is just to ignore it so you know he he wasn't he had to leave the trump
48:37administration and his doge capability because there was actual uh i think i think the day the
48:43deadline was like 130 days in and then there would have to be some kind of action so uh he was up
48:49against that 130 day deadline and and walked away uh but you know he's making enormous amounts of money
48:59off the starlink through dod and because of some chinese compromises of other systems
49:08the department of defense is turning increasingly to starlink it's going to make uh musk more wealthy
49:14not less war is really good for him really good who's the face of peace in the trump administration is it
49:25steve whitko no one no one there's no face of peace
49:31it's all um it's all about trying to shine up trump's image whatever it takes but there's nobody
49:44the closest you've come maybe is jd vance but uh he's not calling the shots
49:51he's somehow that much he's not that much involved in the decisions that they're making and with the
49:57case of with the signal gate we we've learned how he was somehow on the margin of decisions the main
50:05decisions in in the trump administration but he was a cautionary voice in that you know so he was
50:14he actually turned out to be on the right side of history in that in that case
50:18yeahowi tu feel do you feel that he's gonna play the same role in ukraine he's gonna do something
50:26because donald trump is so unbelievable he has changed his mind unbelievable the way that
50:33as you mentioned he's attacking vladimir puddin and not saying anything anything to ukraine
50:39Yeah, yeah.
50:41And maybe Starmer, which I do believe that Starmer is a lot involved in the conflict in Ukraine.
50:48Yeah, no, it is.
50:54There is no clear strategy on the part of Trump.
50:58And we've got to take it, you know, step back and look at what's, you know, like, for example, what's going on with the negotiations with Iran.
51:13Yesterday and the day before it sat, it sounded really hopeful that there was news being released that Trump had ordered the State Department to halt any efforts to impose additional sanctions on Iran.
51:26And yet, the day the Iranian foreign ministry is reporting they received the proposal from the West, the written proposal for a final agreement, and the reaction was, you've got to be kidding me.
51:44This is crap.
51:46So, you know, again, it's not, it's not, Trump, when he was a real estate developer, he played lots of games and he could get away with it in the real estate world.
52:00And, you know, he could, he could compel, he could threaten to go, to not make payments and to walk away and bankrupt himself because he owed banks so much money that they had to accommodate him.
52:16He's got that same mentality with respect to international relations, except in this case, he doesn't hold the Trump cards.
52:24And that is, you know, they did it as well to Hamas, you know, the, you know, the, the, I think, I believe the, the reports that, you know, basically Witkoff had provided assurances to Hamas leadership and then completely reversed himself.
52:43So this is, you know, Trump, Trump, whatever commitments he may have made to Vladimir Putin over the phone, it appears he's not necessarily following through with those in practice with respect to Ukraine.
53:01They're trying to do, they're trying to put pressure on, as Reuters reported, they're trying to put pressure on IAEA, say that Iran is not just doing the right way.
53:13And I, do you think that, do you think that, do you think that, do you think that IAEA reported that France, Germany and the United Kingdom are behind this sort of pressure?
53:22But how about Trump administration, their position?
53:26Sure.
53:27Yeah, no, no, this is, you know, that IAEA report that was put out.
53:33It was, you know, this is an intelligence op.
53:36This is designed to paint Iran as the aggressor.
53:43and to justify attacking Iran.
53:45I think that's where this ultimately is headed.
53:49Somehow, the foreign policy so far, it's nothing better.
53:54No, though, there's no, you know, again, remember Trump?
53:59God, now it's like five weeks ago.
54:02Those countries are lining up to kiss my ass.
54:06Really?
54:07How many have come in to kiss your ass, Donald?
54:11The United Kingdom.
54:13Now, that's just something about the United Kingdom
54:16in terms of what its priority is, kissing ass.
54:21But Japan, India, China.
54:25And then the backdrop is you've got, you know,
54:28at least 81 members of the Senate
54:32vowing to impose, quote,
54:34bone-crushing sanctions on India and China
54:37because of their dealings with Russia.
54:39You know, the world is getting tired
54:43of the United States being a bully.
54:47And at some point, it's going to blow up in our face
54:51and we're going to pay a very, very severe price for that.
54:55The situation in Gaza, you see the picture, the starvation.
55:03People are just running around trying to find something
55:07and Israelis are attacking them, killing them.
55:10Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, the world does not care.
55:19The Houthis care.
55:21The Houthis have been trying to do something.
55:22They're the only one.
55:24The only one.
55:26This is, you know, this is a real indictment
55:30of the Arab and Muslim countries in the region.
55:33They're inaction and their passivity.
55:38Well, you can do it to the people in Gaza at some point.
55:41The United States can do it to you too.
55:43Saudi Arabia, together with other Arab states,
55:48again, they're trying to put pressure on Donald Trump
55:51in order to achieve a Palestinian state,
55:56to achieve some sort of recognition of a Palestinian state
56:00on the part of the Trump administration.
56:02I would assume that Israelis are doing the same in Washington.
56:06who, if you were to compare these two forces
56:11that are putting pressure on Trump,
56:13who's going to have, after all, the upper hand
56:17or somehow more pressure on Trump
56:21or getting some sort of outcome in their favor?
56:24The Zionist.
56:26You know, Trump's going to always come down on the side of Israel.
56:28You know, he needs the Saudis.
56:36He needs the Gulf Arabs from a financial standpoint.
56:40You know, if he's strictly motivated by money.
56:44But, you know, there's something else going on here.
56:48So, it is, you know, the interests of Israel
56:55are ultimately going to prevail over everything else.
56:58Now, I, let's...
57:04Did I start your week off right?
57:08You said, boy, I feel better about things now.
57:12Larry, we both were optimistic about Donald Trump
57:15before coming to power.
57:17Yeah.
57:17And he's just destroying everything, everything.
57:22I, I'll say it, I was wrong.
57:25I, I thought, I thought Trump had really learned some lessons
57:30from the persecution and activities of the last four years.
57:38But, instead of the art of the deal, man,
57:43he's not, he's not making any deals that ought to be made.
57:46And, he's caught up with his own narcissism.
57:50Now, not to say he's, you know, Obama was narcissistic,
57:54Biden, narcissistic, Bush, George W. Bush, narcissistic,
57:58Bill Clinton, oh, my God.
58:01You know, what's really, it's a, it is, it's, it's telling.
58:07It's an indictment of the American political system
58:09that we get such clowns in leadership position.
58:13Yeah.
58:16Thank you so much, Larry, for being with us today.
58:20Oh, I thank you.
58:21We'll be talking to you later this week.
58:23Yeah, exactly.
58:24All right.
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