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In this eye-opening episode of The Sanchez Effect on Forbidden News 🎙️📰, former CIA analyst Larry Johnson makes a bold claim: “The U.S. has become what the Soviet Union was in the 1970s, while Russia has become what the U.S. once was.” 🇺🇸🔄🇷🇺 He dives deep into how NATO is using Ukraine as a geopolitical pawn, the rise of censorship, and the truth behind America’s internal unrest — including police violence, economic inequality, and racial tensions 😡💥. Johnson connects these crises to decades of U.S. and British intervention in Latin America and beyond 🌎🕵️♂️. This unfiltered conversation challenges everything the mainstream media won’t show you 🔍🚫. #LarryJohnson #SanchezEffect #ForbiddenNews #ExCIA #USvsRussia #NATOAgenda #UkraineConflict #Censorship #LosAngelesProtests #PoliceViolence #EconomicInequality #RacialJustice #WesternIntervention #LatinAmerica #Geopolitics #TruthMatters #RealNews #UncensoredVoices #DeepStateExposed #WakeUpWorld #GlobalAwakening
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00:00in the US there are riots on the streets of Los Angeles and in London people are also taking to
00:16the streets though not quite as violently but certainly just as angry there may be an irony
00:21that these things continually happen in two countries who spend so much time lecturing the
00:28rest of the world on how they should treat its citizens I'm Rick Sanchez and you know what I'm
00:36gonna do I'm gonna give you a different perspective on these events with the help of a former CIA agent
00:41that well it's a perspective that's not usually taken with something like this so let's do this
00:52so in a moment what I'm gonna do for you is I want to split the frame so that you can actually see
00:56these two stories as they have unfolded mind you they're taking place in two of the most important
01:03cities in the Western world on the left there you can see it protesters in California who are angry at
01:11the Trump administration for what they see as the hasty and unfair roundup of undocumented immigrants
01:16look it's a complicated story that is rife with anger and misunderstanding and now on the right
01:24there you can see on your screen thousands of people that are taking to the streets of central
01:29London they are screaming demanding really that their government stop spending all of their money
01:36all of their tax money on wars and places they say like Gaza Ukraine instead of on them they call these
01:45demonstrations by the way welfare not warfare money for food banks hospitals or schools shame
01:54they refuse to fund life but will always fight billions for death are these really different
02:04protests I mean the one that I showed you in Los Angeles the other one that's taking place in
02:09London well yeah of course they're different but they're also very much the same you see whether
02:17you are an immigrant in the United States and you think you're being treated harshly which many of
02:22them are or you're a U.S. citizen for example in the United States who wishes these immigrants who
02:27they say are invading their country would just go away right the origin of the problem for both is the
02:34same it's foreign policy it's the U.S. is foreign policy here's why the average quote illegal would have
02:43loved to stay in his own country but they couldn't they can't people like my mother my father they came
02:50to America because their own country is just too dangerous or too ridden with crime or gangs or cartels
02:59oh by the way uh guess where those cartels get their weapons American gun makers and by the way those
03:10people who then come to the United States are hired by U.S. companies to work cheap thereby reducing the
03:16value of American workers this is like a cycle that just goes around and around and around and for
03:21years if not decades but now President Trump he's trying to change it and he's getting praise which
03:28he probably should and he's also getting resistance which also may be understandable that resistance
03:37has a face in fact here it is
03:40you know it's kind of amazing to watch that in my country
04:06but it's not so unusual actually there have been many episodes with things like this but you know
04:12what's funny about this particular situation these riot conditions in Los Angeles they actually could end up
04:21helping Trump politically let me explain you see Trump's anti-illegal movement and it is a movement
04:30it needs a face needs a look right and uh these angry masked rioters that you just saw in that video
04:39waving the Mexican flag and and burning police cars and throwing rocks at the police setting things on fire
04:48that's exactly that that's the face that the enemy that Mr. Trump needs for his political movement as horrible as that may sound
04:57Mr. Trump's polls by the way have been teetering yeah 47 percent 50 percent 52 percent
05:04so he's basically staying in that range around 50 percent
05:09it's very likely this situation could give it a boost
05:14but this story this this story is bigger than Trump
05:18the story is in many ways even I think
05:21bigger than politics
05:23it's really about a root cause right what's the origin
05:28of this where does this start
05:29a root cause that hopefully Mr. Trump will find a way
05:33to alter I want to show you something
05:36take a take a look at this map look at this
05:38these are the 56 places
05:41where the United States
05:43has intervened militarily
05:46Panama Chile Cuba Guatemala
05:49Nicaragua Honduras Mexico I mean look
05:53I could be here all day right
05:55the list goes on and on and on
05:57and it happens to essentially coincide
06:00with interestingly enough
06:03many of those same immigrants from those countries that are now in the United States
06:08maybe even some of those that you saw now protesting in Los Angeles
06:11this is the story that is often not told
06:15not to Americans
06:16not to angry citizens
06:18not to the immigrants
06:20who have tried to make America
06:23for example
06:24their home
06:25now let's look at the other
06:28let's look at the other story now
06:29let's look at London
06:30this is a little different
06:31but nonetheless it's important
06:32this is where people are also angry
06:35London's crime rate
06:36you've seen it
06:37it's through the roof
06:39the economy
06:39for the average worker
06:41dismal immigrants
06:43from war-torn countries
06:45like Syria
06:47Iraq
06:48Libya
06:50and others
06:51they're competing for space
06:53they're competing for jobs
06:54they're competing for hospitals
06:56they're competing for schools
06:58right
06:58and those immigrants
07:00are bringing with them
07:02a foreign culture
07:03a language
07:04a religion
07:05which creates even more tension
07:07you know it's like that famous
07:09Fessinger
07:10cockroach experiment
07:11where everybody starts competing
07:12for the same thing
07:13and they actually in the experiment
07:15ate each other
07:16and by the way
07:17explaining all of this
07:19can you blame Brits
07:20for feeling angry
07:21this is not about blame
07:23but let me show you something
07:25this is also
07:27this is a little bit of a busy graphic
07:28I'm going to show you
07:29but it's really meant to be busy
07:31because it is a busy subject
07:32right
07:33and what I want to do
07:34is I want to illustrate for you
07:35I want to show you
07:36just how much the UK
07:37has intervened
07:38really interfered
07:40in the affairs of other countries
07:42since the end of World War II
07:44go ahead Gene
07:45let's run this scroll
07:46so people can
07:46look at this
07:47look at this
07:48these are military interventions
07:50if it wasn't so serious
07:52I mean
07:53and if it didn't cause
07:54so many deaths
07:55of so many people
07:56it would seem crazy
07:58right
07:58this is a real deal
08:01I'm showing you here
08:02starts with Greece
08:031944
08:04runs through places like Kenya
08:06Cameroon
08:07Uganda
08:07all kinds of countries
08:09in Africa
08:09Syria
08:10Iraq
08:11and finishes with
08:12you guessed it
08:13Ukraine
08:15which is why
08:17these thousands of protesters
08:19in places like central London
08:20are now saying
08:22look
08:23we've had enough
08:25it's been an arms selling country
08:29and it's always pissed me off
08:30arms to Israel
08:31pisses me off
08:32building up the defences
08:33the way they're building them up
08:34I don't think it's a good thing
08:36no
08:36we need to address Russia
08:37in another way
08:38a different way
08:39he's not going to get anywhere
08:40near Warsaw
08:41never mind about Berlin
08:43or Kalei
08:43so this is scaremongering
08:45it's irresponsible scaremongering
08:47and it's irresponsible scaremongering
08:49in the name of taking money
08:51out of the pockets of working people
08:52and giving it to arms corporations
08:54one pound spent on the defence industry
08:58produces far less jobs
08:59than one pound spent
09:00in practically any other area
09:02Labour has proved to be no better
09:05than the Tories it replaced
09:06and we need something different
09:09we need something better
09:11you know Russia's probably already won
09:13and the West can't bear to admit that
09:15so they're playing games
09:17you know we're going to do
09:19a couple of things here
09:19when we come back
09:20we're going to take a little break
09:21but first interestingly enough
09:23President Putin has just commented
09:26a little while ago
09:26on something
09:27that has a lot to say
09:29about this particular topic
09:32talking about
09:32the culture of the West
09:35the incidents of things like
09:38well the protests that we're seeing
09:40in Los Angeles
09:40the protests that we're seeing
09:41in places like London
09:43and what's the effect of that
09:45it's interesting
09:46they're not dissimilar
09:47from words he's kind of used
09:48in the past
09:49but I think it really comes to play
09:51during this conversation
09:52so I'm going to share with you
09:54what Mr. Putin's words are
09:55and then we're going to be joined
09:57by a former intelligence analyst
09:59for the CIA
10:01so when we talk
10:02about what's happening
10:04in some of these countries
10:05when we talk about
10:06the United States
10:07and interventions
10:08in places like Latin America
10:10interventions by the UK
10:12in places like Africa
10:13in the Middle East
10:14this is a guy
10:15who knows exactly
10:16how that goes down
10:18what happened
10:18when it changed
10:19and maybe perhaps
10:20as some have been saying
10:21why it got worse
10:23Larry Johnson
10:24he knows a thing or two
10:25about US foreign policy
10:26and he's going to be joining us here
10:28in just a little bit
10:28don't go away
10:29we'll be right back
10:30all right
10:40our guest is here
10:41his name is Larry
10:42you want to see him
10:42take a look
10:43here he is
10:44on a two shot
10:45with Rick Sanchez
10:46in fact you just
10:47you look fantastic
10:48before I talk with you though
10:49I want to show you something
10:51this is kind of cool
10:51because we're interested in talking
10:52before I go to Larry
10:54I want to do a little comparison
10:55for you
10:55okay so these are the pictures
10:56of the people
10:57at the protest in Los Angeles
10:59waving the Mexican flag
11:01and I can understand
11:02why a lot of people
11:03are angry about this
11:03after all
11:04that's not the American flag
11:05right
11:06so the question then is
11:08why are they waving
11:09the Mexican flag
11:10right
11:11as Mr. Trump would say
11:12why are they waving
11:13the Mexican flag
11:14right
11:15but okay
11:15now I want to show you
11:16something else
11:17take a look at this video
11:18right
11:19look at the video
11:20what is that
11:21that's the Ukraine flag
11:23why are these people
11:25in Congress
11:26waving the Ukraine flag
11:29all over the place
11:30it's in there
11:30I went there
11:31I went to Congress
11:32it's all over
11:33every senator
11:34every congressman
11:36especially the neocons
11:37mostly Democrats
11:38have this flag
11:39they hold it up
11:40they hold it up
11:40during commission
11:40and then there's another one
11:42the Israel flag
11:43all over the place
11:44in the United States
11:46isn't that the flag
11:47of also
11:48of Israel
11:49right there
11:49there it is
11:49prominently being displayed
11:51in Washington
11:51by politicians
11:52and by the way
11:53don't you dare
11:54criticize that flag
11:56or you probably
11:58won't be working
11:59doing whatever it is
12:01that you are doing
12:02Larry let me bring you
12:03in on this real quick
12:04because we're talking
12:05about those protests
12:05that are taking place
12:06in California
12:07which by the way
12:08I opined moments ago
12:09that they're probably
12:12going to end up
12:12helping Mr. Trump
12:13because it kind of
12:14gives a face
12:15to the thing
12:15that he is talking about
12:17I know as a former
12:18CIA intelligence officer
12:20that's not necessarily
12:21your purview
12:22but I know you study
12:23domestic politics
12:23what do you think
12:24of that situation
12:25how it's going to
12:25affect Mr. Trump
12:26well it's already hit
12:27his approval rate
12:28it's gone up
12:29double digits
12:31I'm not surprised
12:31and in fact
12:32that was
12:33our old associate
12:35CNN was reporting
12:36that
12:36it went from
12:38like negative 20
12:39to it's like
12:40plus one now
12:40you know
12:41it's funny
12:42but the thing
12:43that frustrates me
12:44and I don't know
12:45if you caught
12:46a little bit
12:46of my introduction
12:47but what we leave
12:49out of the equation
12:50I understand
12:50people who are angry
12:52with immigrants
12:53who are taking
12:53over their communities
12:54and I understand
12:55immigrants who are
12:55angry because
12:56they think they're
12:57coming to the United
12:57States to do good things
12:58and most of them do
12:59but what people
13:00don't talk about
13:01is the reason
13:02the origins
13:03the why
13:04the why
13:05is very simple
13:06we have
13:07interfered
13:07or intervened
13:08in so many
13:09countries in Latin America
13:10the people
13:11from those countries
13:12you're a CIA guy
13:13I want to ask you
13:14about it
13:15the people
13:15from those countries
13:16end up being
13:17the ones
13:17who come to the
13:18United States
13:18not because they
13:19want to
13:19because they have to
13:20after we're done
13:22I'm going to show
13:23you photos
13:24from Tyson's Corner
13:25I was in Tyson's Corner
13:26the other day
13:27picking up
13:27had to go to
13:28Washington
13:28to pick my visa
13:29up to Russia
13:30I thought I was
13:32in Lahore
13:32or Kabul
13:34really
13:34I kid you not
13:35the number
13:36of women
13:37walking around
13:38with the
13:39the garb
13:40that women
13:41wear in Afghanistan
13:42and Pakistan
13:43and men
13:43wow
13:44I mean it was
13:45the full pajama outfit
13:47and it's not like
13:48you and I are saying
13:49I think
13:50right
13:50I don't want to
13:51put words in your mouth
13:52but I'm glad
13:53that there are people
13:54from different cultures
13:55coming to a country
13:56but if the only reason
13:57they're coming
13:58is because we're
13:58making wars
14:00in their countries
14:00and forcing them
14:01to come
14:02then that's screwed up
14:03yeah
14:03they didn't come there
14:05because they said
14:05you know they got
14:06really good lattes
14:07at Tyson's Corner
14:08you know
14:09they were forced
14:10out of their country
14:11once the
14:12you know
14:12when the Taliban
14:12took over
14:13because they had
14:14cooperated with the West
14:15and now they were
14:16potential victims
14:17and that creates
14:18a cultural shift
14:19in countries
14:20like the UK
14:21the United States
14:22Paris
14:23Germany
14:23Eastern
14:24let me show you something
14:25Mr. Putin just put
14:26something out
14:26a little while ago
14:27let me put my glasses on
14:28because it's a little
14:29small for me
14:30he said this
14:31he was just
14:31this is about
14:32a half hour ago
14:32he said
14:33Western countries
14:34are trying to
14:34export their values
14:35their models
14:36and are exported
14:38around the world
14:38they're trying to
14:39impose them
14:40unfortunately
14:40it's clear
14:41why they're doing it
14:42it's easier
14:42to turn people
14:43into vassals
14:44if they stop
14:45being independent
14:46this kind of
14:47comes into play
14:48I mean
14:48he's kind of right
14:50well look
14:51the one thing
14:51I've always encountered
14:52this is my
14:53fifth trip to Russia
14:54fourth time to Moscow
14:56once in St. Petersburg
14:57the thing that
14:59sets the Russians
15:00apart
15:01from
15:02Americans
15:04is the Russians
15:05don't feel compelled
15:06to force their values
15:07on you
15:07they're not like
15:09proselytizers
15:10or television preachers
15:12they sort of let you
15:13be what you are
15:14and you know
15:15I think part of that
15:16is that
15:17they don't
15:17the Russians
15:18don't have a legacy
15:19of being a
15:20colonial empire
15:21there is a
15:22certain unity
15:23of culture
15:25in this country
15:26that I have seen
15:26like you
15:27I've not been here
15:28long enough
15:29but the little
15:30I have seen
15:31is this
15:31and let's just
15:32do comparisons
15:33you're an American
15:33I'm an American
15:34so
15:34I don't see
15:36men with their
15:37pants below their
15:38butts
15:38I don't see people
15:40who weigh
15:40four or five hundred
15:41pounds
15:42I don't see people
15:43with face and neck
15:44tattoos everywhere
15:45there are tattoos
15:46but you know
15:47I don't see
15:48a culture
15:49that predominates
15:50sexual identity
15:52although
15:53you can be gay here
15:55you can be whatever
15:56you want to be
15:56but the government
15:57is not going to
15:58enhance it
15:59or promote it
16:00there's almost
16:01a sense of elegance
16:02and a pro-family
16:03atmosphere
16:04that I see here
16:05which is what I think
16:06I hear people
16:07in our country
16:08say they want
16:09isn't that kind
16:10of ironic
16:11it's sort of
16:11reminiscent of the
16:1250s in America
16:13I remind you
16:14where there was
16:15we did have
16:17what was
16:17strong family values
16:18were celebrated
16:19but not anymore
16:20and we've seen
16:21an increasing number
16:22of people
16:22Americans
16:23Canadians
16:24Australians
16:25New Zealanders
16:26moving to Russia
16:28you know
16:29there's one family
16:29they run a YouTube
16:31called Countryside Acres
16:32and they got
16:33eight kids
16:34they're out
16:35in Nizhny Novgorod
16:36and the guy
16:38with his 14 year old son
16:40they built their own house
16:41they built the barn
16:42they built a school house
16:44for the kids
16:45I mean they built everything
16:46why is that?
16:47what's the attraction?
16:48well because
16:49they see in Russia
16:50religious freedom
16:51they see in Russia
16:53they're building churches here
16:54yeah
16:54and they see in Russia
16:56that they value children
16:58they embrace children
16:59yeah
16:59it's a big deal here
17:00yeah I mean it is
17:01if you got kids
17:02you know
17:02everybody's done
17:03yeah and by the way
17:04I don't want to
17:05I don't want to sit here
17:06like you and I
17:06two gringos
17:07bad mouthing our country
17:08I love America
17:09I think the United States
17:10the promise of America
17:11is fantastic
17:12something has happened there though
17:14from both the cultural
17:16and I think from a greed standpoint
17:18yeah
17:19that's affected our country
17:20enormously
17:21well you know
17:22I've done some recent research
17:24on literacy rates
17:25in Russia right now
17:27literacy rates
17:27over 98
17:2899%
17:29yeah
17:30in the United States
17:31in 2024
17:31it's 79%
17:34wow
17:34that fell from
17:35in 1955
17:37it was around 98%
17:38it's fallen
17:39and they say
17:40that of that
17:4179%
17:42people that
17:4350%
17:44read at the 6th grade
17:46or lower
17:46now you can't have
17:48critical thinking skills
17:49with that level of
17:50lack of literacy
17:52I want to bring this back
17:54to the situation
17:55taking place here now
17:56let's talk a little bit
17:57about Ukraine
17:58and Russia
17:59and this conflict
18:00I know you know a lot about it
18:02and think a lot about it
18:02you know
18:03given what we were just saying
18:05about how the U.S.
18:07it would behoove the U.S.
18:08to create relations
18:09with a country like Russia
18:10that has many of the cultural values
18:12that it shares
18:13why is it so hard
18:15for Americans
18:15to understand
18:16that it would benefit them
18:17both economic
18:18and culturally
18:19and militarily
18:20and in terms of the position
18:21of the world
18:22not to mention
18:23to not be pushing Russia
18:24into the arms
18:25and the embrace of China
18:27and every other country
18:28out there
18:28the fundamental difference
18:29between Russia
18:30and the United States
18:31is the United States
18:32has never paid a price
18:33in blood for its wars
18:34when you go back
18:35to World War II
18:36in the United States
18:38we say
18:38oh you know
18:39as Trump was saying
18:39yeah we won that war
18:40in the European theater
18:44European
18:44North Africa
18:46Italy
18:46United States
18:48total combat casualties
18:50KIA
18:50189,000
18:53Russia
18:55in the Battle of Stalingrad
18:57soldiers alone
18:59800,000
19:00in one battle
19:01good gosh
19:02now
19:02I had an experience
19:04during my last trip
19:05when I was here in March
19:06and got to meet
19:07with the
19:08Foreign Minister Lavrov
19:09I was with
19:10five other Russians
19:11and with Judge Napolitano
19:13yeah
19:13and so I asked
19:14the five Russians
19:15I said
19:15how many of you
19:17have a family member
19:18who died
19:19or was a casualty
19:20in the Great Patriotic War
19:21every single one of them
19:23raised a hand
19:24that's a big deal here
19:25I asked Judge
19:26Judge
19:26did you lose anybody
19:27he goes
19:27no
19:28in my family
19:29no
19:29and so what we find out
19:32is in the United States
19:33war is profitable
19:34yeah
19:35we make money off of it
19:37yeah okay
19:37we lost 58,000 in Vietnam
19:40that's one year of car deaths
19:42yeah
19:42in the United States
19:43who cares
19:45not to mention
19:45you know
19:46Memorial Day
19:47is about mattress sales
19:48yeah
19:48yeah
19:49year of Victory Day
19:50I went
19:51oh my god
19:52yeah
19:52it is
19:53it is
19:54sanctimonious
19:55it's so important
19:58to these people
19:58have you had
19:59to go to the Victory Museum yet
20:01of course
20:01yeah
20:01and one of the most
20:03moving places
20:04I've ever been
20:05yeah
20:05and one of the guides
20:06is our young lady
20:07and her
20:08you know
20:08she's 24, 25
20:09but when we went downstairs
20:11she was able to pull up
20:12the picture of her
20:12great grandfather
20:13so as I said
20:14everybody in this country
20:16has a connection to it
20:17and that's why
20:19you know
20:19Russia has actually
20:20been reluctant
20:20to get involved
20:21with these foreign wars
20:22very reluctant
20:23and very reluctant
20:24to escalate
20:25did you see my interview
20:26yesterday with Medinsky
20:27no I did not
20:28so what he told me
20:29and I think you would
20:30find this interesting
20:31is that he doesn't feel
20:32like he's negotiating
20:33with counterparts
20:35who have the authority
20:38to be able to make
20:39a deal with him
20:40he even went as far
20:41as saying
20:42they're afraid
20:42and fear they could
20:44even be assassinated
20:45if they get too friendly
20:46or do
20:47what do you make of that
20:47I think he's exactly right
20:49I would have loved
20:50to have been a fly
20:51on the wall
20:51and I'm sorry
20:52I didn't get to see
20:52your interview
20:53yesterday with him
20:53when he met with Umarov
20:55they spent two hours
20:57and 15 minutes
20:57now my guess is
20:58that in that time frame
21:00he was telling Umarov
21:01this is your last best deal
21:03take this
21:04right
21:04or what's coming down
21:05the pike
21:06you're not going to like
21:07and Ukraine's not going
21:08to continue to exist
21:09as a country
21:10and it seems
21:10what you just said
21:12those are strong words
21:13Ukraine is not going
21:14to continue to exist
21:15as a country
21:15because it's obvious
21:16right now
21:17just from a military
21:18standpoint
21:19Russia has the upper hand
21:20that would be something
21:22that if I were
21:22the president of Ukraine
21:23I would be very concerned
21:24about and I would be
21:25looking at a way
21:25to make a deal
21:26seems like he's
21:27pardon me
21:28seems like he's going
21:28in the opposite direction
21:29like he doesn't want
21:30a deal
21:30in fact
21:31Medinsky told me yesterday
21:32the folks he negotiated
21:34with in 22
21:35are very different
21:35from the folks
21:36he's negotiating with now
21:37yeah
21:37well it's
21:38it is because
21:39Ukraine is simply
21:41a pawn
21:42on this chess board
21:43they are simply
21:44a piece to be moved
21:45by the West
21:46that you know
21:47when you go back
21:48and look at the history
21:49but the hell
21:49with the West
21:50you're the country's
21:51president
21:51wouldn't you think
21:52you'd care enough
21:53about your people
21:54to tell the West
21:55go to hell
21:56I'm going to make
21:57decisions for my people
21:58my country
21:58they've been bought
21:59and paid for
22:00that's the problem
22:01really
22:01yeah
22:01the
22:02I can
22:03I know
22:04I can't get into
22:05all the details
22:06but I know
22:06that there are
22:0723 members of Congress
22:08Republicans and Democrats
22:10who've been
22:11paid millions
22:12one prominent senator
22:1417.3 million
22:16to him
22:16another prominent senator
22:1823 million
22:19one's Republican
22:20one's Democrat
22:21so this is
22:23like I said
22:23the profit motive
22:24in this
22:25and Ukraine
22:26Ukraine is almost
22:27a hostage
22:27it is
22:29this is a terrorist
22:30hostage situation
22:32and the entire
22:33Ukrainian nation
22:33is being held
22:34hostage by NATO
22:35so it's
22:36well
22:37I think even
22:37Kellogg
22:38who
22:39Keith Kellogg
22:40is as
22:40neo-connish
22:42as they come
22:42I mean this guy
22:43is an old man
22:44who lives in the
22:44older than us
22:46lives in the era
22:47of the Cold War
22:49and you know
22:49probably still thinks
22:50Stalin's ruling things here
22:51and he came out
22:53the other day
22:53and he said
22:54this is
22:55a proxy war
22:56and Putin is right
22:57it's simply a war
22:58between Europe
22:59and Russia
23:02and Ukraine
23:03has nothing to do
23:04with it
23:04I just had a chance
23:05to chat with
23:06that's a big deal
23:07for that guy
23:07to say that
23:08oh yeah
23:08no absolutely
23:08and I chatted
23:10with a retired
23:10general
23:10Brzezinski
23:11who's you know
23:12famous throughout
23:13Russia
23:14and you know
23:15we were talking
23:16about the growth
23:16of NATO
23:17and he said
23:18you know
23:18the thing
23:19that always
23:19really puzzled
23:20Russia
23:20was like
23:21our army
23:22shrinking
23:22during that period
23:23of the 90s
23:24the army
23:25was shrinking
23:25and they're
23:26building up
23:27NATO
23:27and then
23:28NATO
23:29was going out
23:29and building
23:30new headquarters
23:31in Estonia
23:32and Latvia
23:33and Yavariv
23:34and western Ukraine
23:35but they're just
23:36peacekeepers
23:36oh we're here
23:37just to spruce it up
23:38were they
23:39peacekeeping
23:40in Iraq
23:40yeah
23:41were they
23:42peacekeeping
23:42in Belgrade
23:43we've got
23:44are they
23:44peacekeeping
23:45in Ukraine
23:45we've got
23:46such a karma list
23:47on us
23:47as Americans
23:48yeah
23:48that if it comes to
23:49we're not going to be able
23:50to pay it
23:51where do you think
23:52this is going to end up
23:53well it's going to end up
23:54with the military
23:55defeat of Ukraine
23:55this is not going to be
23:57a negotiated settlement
23:58it will be
23:59or it will be negotiated
24:00in the same way
24:01that von Paulus
24:02of the 6th Army
24:03negotiated
24:03the surrender
24:04of the Germans
24:05at Stalingrad
24:06Russia must
24:09militarily defeat
24:11Ukraine
24:11because it must
24:13militarily defeat
24:14NATO
24:14but Russia's
24:15not interested
24:16it seems to me
24:17in going past
24:19the Dnipro River
24:19no no no no
24:20right
24:20I mean
24:21look at all the land
24:22that is
24:22like Russia
24:23does not need more land
24:24yeah
24:24they're not
24:25it's not
24:2511 strong
24:26Poland's okay
24:26yeah
24:27yeah
24:27yeah
24:28but they need
24:30to create
24:30a buffer zone
24:31the Dnipro River
24:32is a natural
24:33buffer zone
24:34yeah
24:34and Ukraine
24:36because I don't
24:37see Russia
24:38going in
24:38wanting the headache
24:39of having to
24:39occupy all of
24:40western Ukraine
24:41but
24:41they have to
24:43disarm it
24:44it can no longer
24:45continue to be
24:46this proxy
24:46well it can't be
24:47a satellite country
24:48for NATO
24:49I mean
24:50that would be
24:50crazy
24:51I mean
24:51it has to be
24:52a sovereign
24:53independent country
24:53Ukraine has been
24:54a member of NATO
24:55a de facto member
24:56of NATO
24:57since 1995
24:58the only difference
24:59was
25:00they didn't have
25:01article 5 protection
25:03and they didn't have
25:04to pay
25:04an annual fee
25:05however
25:06the number
25:07I did the list
25:08of military exercises
25:10conducted by NATO
25:11and by UCOM
25:12and do you realize
25:13that of the 28
25:15when I
25:16the time period
25:17I looked at
25:17it was the 28
25:18NATO countries
25:19Ukraine
25:20was the 6th
25:22most popular
25:23location for hosting
25:24a NATO exercise
25:25wow
25:26none of the other
25:2721 NATO countries
25:29did
25:29well they were
25:29having exercises
25:30off the Black Sea
25:31just one year
25:32before this war
25:33broke out
25:33you had marines
25:35and landing craft
25:36landing on the shores
25:37of Ukraine
25:38while Russians
25:39were on beaches
25:40watching it
25:40yes
25:41and a lot of people
25:41don't know that
25:42but that video
25:42is out there
25:43if you want to look
25:43at it
25:44it's on YouTube
25:44by the way
25:45speaking of YouTube
25:46and speaking of
25:47alternate media
25:48or whatever the hell
25:49we want to call it
25:50you've become
25:51a superstar
25:52in you know
25:53YouTube
25:54I see you all the time
25:55I see you with
25:56Napolitano
25:57I see you with
25:57McGregor
25:58all the guys
25:58that I know
25:59you know
26:00how big a force
26:03is that
26:04alternative message
26:06and you think
26:07it can combat
26:09the neocon message
26:11which the
26:11whatever the hell
26:13we want to call it
26:14the mass media
26:15general media
26:16corporate media
26:17controls
26:18in this country
26:19right now
26:20yeah
26:20thank God it exists
26:21you know
26:21when you and I
26:22first met
26:22you know
26:22I started doing
26:23my first CNN gig
26:24was in August
26:25of 1994
26:26the capture
26:28of Carlos the Jackal
26:29that's right
26:30and then after that
26:31I became a
26:31you know
26:31a common talking head
26:33on all terrorism issues
26:34that ceased
26:35in 2008
26:36when I opposed
26:37Barack Obama
26:38all of a sudden
26:38I became a persona
26:39non grata
26:40but now what has
26:41happened in the U.S.
26:42media
26:42as you know
26:43all too well
26:44yeah
26:44the censorship
26:45the prevent
26:46there is not
26:47a single person
26:49able to explain
26:50why Russia
26:50is doing
26:51what Russia
26:52is doing
26:52right
26:53from the Russian
26:54perspective
26:54not allowed
26:55on any of the networks
26:56isn't that amazing
26:57no it's
26:58well
26:58yes
26:59it's like
27:00even if you disagree
27:01with him
27:01you know
27:02it's okay
27:03to disagree
27:04but give him
27:05his ability
27:06to say
27:07what he thinks
27:08exactly
27:08well
27:08this is
27:09the United States
27:10has become
27:11what the Soviet Union
27:12was in the 1970s
27:14and Russia
27:16has become
27:17what the United States
27:18once was
27:19with open media
27:20with the ability
27:21to debate
27:21with opposite
27:22points of view
27:23I mean
27:23it's crazy
27:24yeah
27:25did you know
27:26what questions
27:26I was going to ask you
27:27before you sat down
27:28said what
27:28did you know
27:29what questions
27:30I was going to ask
27:30did somebody tell you
27:32these are the questions
27:32you have to ask
27:33and these are the answers
27:34you have
27:35did somebody say that
27:36to you here
27:36there is no
27:36you know
27:37but I did get that
27:38at CNN
27:38yeah
27:39RT
27:40I made this point
27:41when I was being
27:42interviewed by Brian Stelter
27:43because he accused me
27:44of being a mouthpiece
27:44of Putin
27:45and I said
27:46Brian
27:46the only networks
27:48that I've ever been on
27:50that didn't do
27:50a pre-interview
27:51that wanted to know
27:52what I was going to say
27:53that asked the questions
27:54are RT
27:55and Iranian press TV
27:58the only two
27:59that's a great example
28:00the only two
28:00but that freaked him out
28:02you know
28:03he was outraged
28:04but that's true
28:05well you
28:06and so many other people
28:08who I would have
28:10Karen
28:10the general
28:11Kozlowski
28:13yeah
28:13Ketowski
28:15Ketowski
28:16thank you
28:16and so many others
28:17who I would interview
28:18when I was at CNN
28:19we had the highest rated show
28:21on CNN
28:22they put me in front
28:23of Wolf Blitzer
28:24because they said
28:24your ratings are so high
28:25maybe he'll get ratings
28:26because of your show
28:27we were killing it
28:29and all of a sudden
28:30they started telling me
28:31I couldn't have those people
28:32on the air
28:32I couldn't talk about
28:33certain things
28:34they were angry about
28:35criticizing foreign policy
28:36and before you knew it
28:38boom
28:38I was out the door
28:39so it was an effort
28:40and you don't see
28:41any of those people today
28:42either on CNN
28:44or ABC
28:45or CBS
28:46or even Fox
28:48to be honest with you
28:49people think Fox
28:50is conservative
28:51yeah they're conservative
28:51on social issues
28:53but when it comes
28:53to neocon issues
28:54they're as bad
28:55as everybody else
28:55yeah it was only
28:56Tucker Carlson
28:58was the only one
28:58who was able to get
29:00Doug McGregor on
29:01that's been it
29:02Danny Davis
29:03and what happened
29:04to Tucker
29:04after he had
29:05Doug McGregor
29:05out the door
29:07yeah but you know
29:07Tucker's now got
29:08a larger audience
29:09than he ever had
29:10at Fox
29:11yeah he had you on
29:12and me on
29:12and we've become friends
29:13yeah I saw you did
29:14a great interview
29:15with him
29:15you're very kind
29:16people haven't watched it
29:17go watch it
29:18yeah yeah
29:19it was very good
29:20it did millions
29:21hundreds of millions
29:22I mean tens of millions
29:23I don't know
29:23it was a big number
29:24yeah yeah
29:25yeah because people
29:26were interested
29:26in that perspective
29:27numbers you'd never got
29:29at CNN
29:29MSNBC
29:30Fox
29:31I'll be honest
29:32combined
29:32I was when I
29:33you know to be
29:34just to share this
29:36because a lot of people
29:36don't know this
29:37when I was at CNN
29:38I remember they came to me
29:39and they said
29:40you've now broken
29:41through the biggest numbers
29:42we've ever had
29:43since we started
29:43and especially
29:44because I was doing
29:45very well with young people
29:46African Americans
29:47Hispanics
29:48and you know
29:49regular American citizens
29:51so to speak
29:51legacy Americans
29:52or whatever we call them
29:53these days
29:53and that was a big number
29:56but you know what it was
29:57about 450,000 people
29:59that's not really crazy
30:01yeah
30:02this place
30:03RT
30:04does hundreds of millions
30:05yeah
30:06in just reach
30:07yeah
30:08so I mean
30:09I don't know
30:10not to mention
30:11Tucker
30:12some of these shows
30:13that are taking place now
30:14on the Googles
30:16as we like to say
30:17they're doing better
30:18than those numbers
30:18on CNN
30:19so eventually
30:20it's got to turn
30:21right
30:21no it's like
30:22you know
30:22in the Soviet Union
30:24in the 70s
30:25you had the samizdat
30:26you know
30:27the underground press
30:28now we've got social media
30:30and it's
30:31it's not so much underground
30:32but it is an alternative
30:33where people are tuning out
30:35of CNN
30:36MSNBC
30:36Fox
30:37ABC
30:38CBS
30:38they're walking away from it
30:40because of its control
30:41and I think it's important
30:43for people like me
30:44and people like you
30:45to come here
30:46to share a perspective
30:47that Americans
30:48would otherwise
30:48not be allowed to hear
30:49especially since
30:51you consider
30:51that Americans
30:52are not allowed
30:53to hear from
30:54Russian
30:55or reporters
30:56from even other countries
30:57in the United States
30:58right
30:58yeah
30:59no they've gone out
31:00of the way
31:00to try to
31:00I was fortunate
31:01that I had downloaded
31:02the RT app
31:03on my Apple TV
31:05before all the bans
31:06went in place
31:06so I still got it
31:07but if you go on
31:08to Apple TV today
31:09to try to download RT
31:11can't do it
31:11finally
31:12as a former CIA analyst
31:14do you think
31:15that the CIA
31:16and our interventionalism
31:18all over the world
31:19has become
31:20worse
31:21today
31:22than it was
31:23oh much worse
31:24I hear
31:24it got worse
31:25especially worse
31:26after 9-11
31:27is that true
31:27yeah
31:28yeah
31:28in fact
31:29what
31:29Trump to his credit
31:31when he came in
31:32and unleashed Doge
31:34on USAID
31:36we began to see
31:37the extent
31:38with USAID
31:39money is being used
31:41to subvert
31:41other countries
31:42in tandem
31:43with the CIA
31:44so these information
31:45operations
31:46that were being run
31:47like in Georgia
31:48so you pay
31:48people's tickets
31:49you buy their posters
31:50you pay for their food
31:52you get
31:52you know
31:52they get
31:53some walking around
31:54cash so they can get
31:54into the street
31:55you create media
31:56yes
31:56yeah
31:57you make a newspaper
31:58that never existed before
31:59but now all of a sudden
32:00it's criticizing the country
32:01you wanted to take down
32:02yeah
32:02yeah
32:03that's what they did
32:04by the way
32:04congratulations on this
32:06I'm glad you've landed
32:07on your feet here
32:07you deserve to be here
32:08you're very kind
32:09thanks for coming
32:10my friend
32:10let's continue to do this
32:12okay
32:12I think it's important
32:13thank you so much Larry
32:14and that's our news
32:15before we leave you though
32:16I want to remind you
32:17to check out my podcast
32:19speaking of the Googles
32:20right
32:20it's called
32:21Journalistically Speaking
32:22it's doing really really well
32:24I'm surprised
32:25thank you very much
32:26you can find it on YouTube
32:27or wherever you get your podcast
32:28and you can also
32:29if you want to have a conversation
32:30about what Larry and I
32:31just talked to
32:32I'm on Twitter
32:33or X
32:33at Rick Sanchez TV
32:35this is the Sanchez effect
32:37it's delivered
32:38without corporate scripts
32:39without political masters
32:41it's just what's happening
32:42it's raw
32:43it's honest
32:44and it's real
32:45and I'm glad you're there
32:46and we'll see you next time
32:47I'll see you next time
32:58I'll see you next time
32:58I'll see you next time