GB News host Ben Leo slapped down Baron George Foulkes's "despicable" defence of Lord Hermer after the Attorney General compared calls to ditch the ECHR to 1930s Germany.In a speech delivered last week at the Royal United Services Institute think tank, Lord Hermer criticised politicians who argue the UK should abandon "the constraints of international law in favour of raw power".FULL STORY HERE.
04:23So you don't think he did anything wrong, Lord Fox?
04:25The only thing he said is he didn't choose his words carefully. He said they were a bit
04:30clumsily chosen. But he's absolutely right. We're looking at the rule of law now in the
04:35Constitution Committee of the House of Lords. And it's very, very important. Do you believe
04:40in the rule of law, Ben?
04:42I believe, I'll tell you what, I believe in the rule of British law. I believe Parliament
04:46is sovereign. And I believe nations should be able to run their own affairs without the
04:50meddling of international courts who nobody knows of. And also, just on Lord Hermit, you
04:56said that it was clumsy, but yet you agree with what he said. How was it clumsy, Lord
05:00Fox, when it was a pre-prepared, pre-written speech that I suspect he probably took a couple
05:04of hours to write and then re-read? You know, he's not an idiot. He's quite an intelligent
05:09guy. And then he delivered it. It wasn't some off-the-cuff remark.
05:15No, and he's apologised for the choice of words. And a lot of people make that. Look,
05:19Liz Truss every day is making a lot of nonsensical speeches.
05:22What's Liz Truss got to do with anything? She should be apologising every day. Boris
05:26Johnson should be apologising every day. Lord Fox, what have they got to do with anything?
05:30They're your friends, Ben. They're your friends. They're not my friends.
05:34Boris Johnson's certainly not my friend. But, Lord Fox, with respect, they've got absolutely
05:38nothing to do with this. This is the Attorney General, Keir Starmer's friend, his bezzy
05:42mate from North London. Keir Starmer, by the way, you want to talk about your party.
05:46Herma calling people Nazis, pretty much. Keir Starmer in January saying anybody... Hang on,
05:50let me finish a second. Keir Starmer in January saying that the Pakistani grooming gang scandal
05:55was a right-wing bandwagon. Then you had the... Who is the MP? Was it Andrew Gwynn up in
05:59Manchester saying he wished his constituents would die because they dared ask about bean
06:03collections? You've got a problem in your party, haven't you, Lord Fox?
06:06No, we certainly haven't. Because your reporting...
06:09That's all fine, is it?
06:11Your reporting is not accurate. I'll ask you a question, Ben. Can I ask you a question?
06:14Yeah. Your favourite party, the Reform UK party... Well, it's not a party, it's a limited company
06:20owned by Nigel Farage. They promised to have a policy on deportation of illegal immigrants
06:26by the end of May. Where is it?
06:29By the end of May? I don't know. I don't work for Reform. I'm not a Reform member.
06:33No, you do. You keep... Farage is one of your presenters, isn't he?
06:39I haven't seen Farage in months. I don't know what he's doing. Gloria De Piero is one of
06:43our presenters, so he's asking me about Labour policy as well.
06:46But you're supposed to be on the ball. You're supposed to know what's happening.
06:49What's happened to... Where is it? I don't know. I don't write Reform policy, Lord Fox.
06:53Come on. No, but you report it. Why don't you challenge? Why don't you get someone from
06:58Reform on and say, look, you promised to have a policy. You're complaining about all these
07:03people coming over in boats, and you've said you're going to show us how to deal with them.
07:07What is their policy on it? It doesn't exist. Lord Fox, with respect to you, you're very
07:11good at deflecting, talking about Liz Truss. I mean, who the hell knows what Liz Truss is
07:15doing these days? She's not in government. Reform aren't in government. Your Prime Minister
07:19constantly takes the mick out of them, saying they can fit their MPs in the back of a Black
07:23London taxi. And Boris Johnson's not in government. You and your party are in government, and your
07:29friend Sir Keir Starmer's making a big mess of it. No, he's not. He's doing a very good
07:33job. An exceptionally good job. Why are his approval rating so low?
07:37He's now respected throughout the world. He and Macron and the Chancellor of Germany
07:44and the leaders from other European countries are doing a fantastic job. And I think it's
07:52recognised. If you look, they were recently produced comparisons of Keir Starmer with every
07:58other leader, Farage. And he was way ahead of Farage, your friend and your presenter on your
08:06programme. My friend. All right, Lord Fox, last question. 1,200 unidentified young men from strange
08:11lands came across the channel yesterday. It's a dismal, shameful record. Up 30%, I think,
08:17year on year. So much for smashing the gangs, eh? Well, that's why I've asked you with a question
08:22earlier that you failed to answer. But reform aren't in government, Lord Fox. No, no, but reformed. Keep
08:27saying. I mean, you know, you're saying... Keir Starmer keeps saying, smash the gangs, smash the
08:32gangs. That's why he got elected. The gangs are smashing us. The migrants are smashing our borders.
08:37So what would you do about it? What would I do about it? Turn them back. Yeah. How would you do
08:41that? Just like Australia did. Speak to Tony Abbott. He actually gave advice to... He was in Number 10 a few
08:46months ago, I think. You put them in seaworthy lifeboat-style vessels and you turn them back.
08:51And I don't give a damn what the French say. And then what happens? The migrants stay in France
08:57and Britain flourishes as a strong, independent nation with strong borders and Brits prosper.
09:03So in 14 years, why did the Tories not do that then? Because they're useless.
09:08Oh, well, you should stand... We agree on that. You should stand... Yes, indeed. You should stand for
09:12Parliament, Ben. You'd make a very good minister. You've got all the answers.
09:16You've got all the answers, haven't you? Well, seemingly. I suppose that's why I'm paid the big bucks.
09:20Well, not really. Just a joke. You are. You are. You've paid a lot. How much are you paid, Ben?
09:24I'd like to know that. I can't tell you that. I bet you've paid a hell of a lot more.
09:27Never enough. Never enough. A hell of a lot more than a Member of Parliament.
09:30Well, probably not as much as your £300 a day that you get in the Lords. I'll tell you that.
09:33Oh, but a great deal more than that. A great deal more than that. I'm sure you do.
09:37All right, Lord Fox. Why don't you tell me? Why don't you... You know how much I get a day.
09:41How much do you get? Well, you're a public servant, Lord Fox. I went through a private broadcaster.
09:45Oh, dear, dear, dear. But we still should know, in the open honesty, if you ask me, Ben, and I ask you, if you're open and honest, you should let us know, shouldn't you?
09:56All right, well, look, make a deal with me. Come back next time and I'll let you know.
10:00Okay, I'll look forward to that. And thank goodness, thank goodness you've got Andy on your programme.
10:05So you've got at least a little bit of balance at last.
10:07Yeah, a little bit. All right. Thanks, Lord Fox. See you soon.
10:10Not at all, Ben. Look forward to the next time.
