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00:00Amables televidentes, arrancó el Telematutino 11.
00:04Gracias por dejarnos entrar a vuestros hogares por Tele Sistema Canal 11 y el canal de YouTube Telematutino 11 RN.
00:11¡Feliz miércoles! Buenos días, Jacqueline Morel.
00:14Hola, Ramón. Buenos días. Buenos días, República Dominicana.
00:17Estamos a mitad de semana y comienza Telematutino 11 en este miércoles 28 de mayo.
00:23Como siempre, consiste en un gran placer que ustedes nos permitan hacerles compañía a esta hora de la mañana.
00:29Continuando con toda la programación de Tele Sistema Dominicano en este bloque de opinión e informativo
00:35que comienza a las seis de la mañana y que continúa con nosotros hasta las nueve.
00:40Como siempre, vamos a comentar algunos temas de actualidad.
00:43También hoy nos acompañará el doctor Radamés Jiménez,
00:47quien es vicepresidente y coordinador general de Participación Ciudadana.
00:52No, de Fuerza del Pueblo.
00:54Digo, oye, ¿qué me pasó a mí? De Fuerza del Pueblo. ¡Ay, qué lapsus!
00:59Y también fue procurador general de la República, entre otros cargos.
01:04Y también tendremos la participación de Alexander Nova,
01:08quien es gerente de Crédito y Negocios de Coop Mirex.
01:13Así que les invitamos a que estén con nosotros en esta mañana,
01:17que no se pierdan el contenido del programa
01:19y que juntos demos un vistazo de algunos de los temas del mundo y del país.
01:24Bienvenidos.
01:25Hay un tema caliente, que es el caso del Ángel Martínez,
01:28que él se define como detective e investigador.
01:32Yo lo he visto muchísimas veces, pero no porque lo busque, sino que me aparece.
01:36¿Por qué es que ocurre? Aquí usted tiene un canal de YouTube.
01:40Nosotros tenemos un canal de YouTube, pero solamente para...
01:43Usted tiene un canal de YouTube que con una camarita usted hace un programa y hasta lo edita.
01:51¿Pero qué ocurre? Usted o varias personas,
01:55si se trata de una difamación o de un escándalo o de algo sexualmente atrevido,
02:01sacan un cortecito, como le decimos en la televisión, un corte,
02:04y ese corte se tira en todas las redes.
02:07Para su vez, en cada una de las redes hay una cantidad de internautas
02:11que quieren dar primicia o que son resentidos sociales, y eso se multiplica,
02:16de forma tal que el difamador, a la hora,
02:20tiene dos millones de gente que están escuchando lo que él dice.
02:24Ángel Martínez, que aparece ahí en pantalla,
02:27él tiene varios recursos por difamación.
02:33Yo no sigo su canal de YouTube, pero si yo abro Twitter, me lo encuentro.
02:37Si abro Instagram, me lo encuentro. Si abro TikTok, me lo encuentro.
02:43Y entonces, él reside en Miami.
02:46Y vino a la República Dominicana en plan de turista y pensó que iba a pasar desapercibido,
02:52porque él tiene un sometimiento del diputado Sergio Moya Górez, del año 21.
02:57Ahí él no tiene problema.
02:59Yo traje aquí algo que está en ChatGDP,
03:02donde da todo el puntuario de Górez,
03:05que inclusive él está sometido formalmente ante la Suprema.
03:08Pero el problema es que él tiene otras demandas,
03:14entre ellas del doctor Guido Gómez-Mazara, que no varas a pleito,
03:17y también de Milagros Atuey de Camps.
03:20¿Milagros de Camps?
03:22Milagros de Camps, hermano.
03:24Tiene esa demanda.
03:26Y ahora otra cantidad de gente van a aprovechar,
03:29porque él tiene impedimento de salida.
03:31Van a aprovechar.
03:33Y pienso que quizás este va a ser un caso que podría quedar como paradigma,
03:38puede quedar como icónico del tema de la difamación.
03:42Mira, esperaron unas cuantas semanas en el caso de la licenciada Milagros de Camps, hermano.
03:51Es una denuncia contra Ángel Martínez y otras cinco personas.
03:57Dentro de los argumentos, Ramón, en 10 días esos videos llegaron a más de 400 mil personas.
04:05Ese solo caso.
04:06Ese solo caso.
04:07Y ella, obviamente, que lo que habrá padecido ella y su familia,
04:13en este caso no ha sido poco, porque se le acusó,
04:16y yo no voy a decir porque todo el mundo sabe de qué decían,
04:20que ella estaba embarazada y de quién estaba embarazada.
04:25Se le acusaron la vida privada de cada quien en la vida privada.
04:28Pero si a eso se le añaden otros ingredientes,
04:31como lo que ella entiende fue difamación e injuria,
04:34pues la cosa se complica aún más.
04:36Entonces, ella pide una indemnización de 10 millones de pesos que serán usados
04:41para reforestar y para...
04:44Ella era vicepresidenta de cambio climático, viceministra.
04:47Viceministra.
04:48De cambio climático del Ministerio del Medio Ambiente.
04:51Y ese es uno de sus temas.
04:53Pero también este señor, en el caso de Ángel Martínez,
04:58tiene otra demanda del señor Luis Ricardo Reyes Mendoza.
05:03Tiene también el tema también de otros casos de difamación,
05:13porque él parece que le entra a todo el mundo.
05:16El caso del diputado que ya tú lo mencionaste, Moya,
05:20también se refirió al caso de los comunicadores,
05:23el tema de la USAID.
05:25Y, bueno, esto no puede hacerse una moda
05:30de que todo el que pueda tener acceso a una red digital,
05:34depotrique, sea parte de una campaña de difamación contra una persona,
05:39riegue, dicen que...
05:41¿Cómo es difama?
05:42Difama que algo queda.
05:44Y entonces eso se queda en el aire.
05:46Por eso, Ramón, los que se sientan afectados por este tipo de difamación,
05:50está él y están otros que constantemente están, pareciera,
05:56difamando la buena honra de muchas personas,
06:00del ámbito básicamente público,
06:03y eso no se debe quedar así porque eso daría pie
06:06a que otros sigan el mismo derrotero,
06:09es decir, acabar con la reputación de personas
06:12y que no pase nada.
06:14En el caso de Ángel Martínez, él dice que hay,
06:16que él no tiene cómo va a ser, que se va a quedar aquí,
06:19que no tiene dónde quedarse,
06:21que tiene impedimento de salida
06:25y tiene presentaciones periódicas.
06:28Entonces, él reside en Miami.
06:31El tema con Gori, del diputado Gori,
06:35es del 2021.
06:38Y parece que no habían dado con él hasta ahora.
06:42No, no habían dado con él.
06:43Es que él no venía a la República Dominicana.
06:45Ahora, como él pisó terreno, él pasó límites.
06:51De seguro lo estaban chequeando.
06:53Él vino como turista, se apegó de un crucero
06:56en Puerto Plata, Yankity, y lo agarraron.
06:59Ahora, ya con el impedimento de salida,
07:02él está obligado, y por eso yo digo que este puede ser
07:05un caso ejemplarizador,
07:08porque él no puede salir del país.
07:10Los procesos tendrán que ser rápidos,
07:12y son muchos los procesos que hay contra él.
07:15Pero las redes no solamente es eso.
07:18Lo que incursionamos en las redes
07:21y que colgamos cosas en las redes.
07:23Óyeme, a veces usted ve una dama, por decirle algo,
07:28Jacqueline, dándote explicaciones explícitas
07:33y con palabras vulgares de actos sexuales que ella comete.
07:37Señores, usted lo ve en las redes,
07:39pero resulta que eso lo ven los niños.
07:42Porque usted ve a los niños desde los dos años,
07:44usted lo ve con un celular, y con ese celular
07:46pueden entrar a cualquier sitio.
07:48No me digan que una ley de expresión y difusión
07:50del pensamiento no puede abordar el tema de las redes.
07:53Porque ahora están diciendo, no, no.
07:55Parece que esa ley va a ser solo para los periódicos.
07:58Es decir, no puede ser para las redes.
08:00Las redes no se pueden tocar.
08:02Y sí, pues, porque eso hay que poner el coto.
08:05Porque dicen, ah, bueno, te difaman.
08:07Tú tienes que buscar un abogado.
08:09Tienes que ir a juicio.
08:10Tienes que pasarte muchísimos años.
08:12Pero ya tu honorabilidad para una parte de la población
08:16no sirve.
08:17Porque una parte de la población.
08:19¿Le queda la duda?
08:20Que creen eso.
08:21Sí.
08:22E incluso personas ilustradas y con formación sólida.
08:28Una persona me dijo, mira, de todo esto yo creo la mitad.
08:31¿Cómo?
08:32Sí.
08:33Yo creo la mitad.
08:34Una parte se inventa y otra parte no.
08:36Pero siempre queda como esa pequeña duda o tú tienes que
08:39conocer muy bien a la persona.
08:41Pero eso no puede seguir.
08:42Así como tú decías, Ramón, que en un caso tú tuviste un
08:46programa que mencionaste, un caso de propuesta,
08:49que tocaste un tema y te lo tumbaron, te lo tumbó.
08:52Lo tocó mi hermana, que es prohibido.
08:55Lo tumbaron.
08:56Lo tumbaron.
08:57Entonces, ¿por qué cuando es?
08:58Ah, pues, porque eso era cuando estaban los demócratas en el
09:00poder y había el tema woke y el tema.
09:03Entonces, las redes te tumbaban esas cosas.
09:07Pero ojalá cuando sean cosas.
09:09Deberían tumbar.
09:10Pentesexuales y que sean con depravación y con un lenguaje
09:17no acto para el consumo de todo el mundo,
09:20también debería tumbarse.
09:22Pero las autoridades, las autoridades de cada país lo
09:24pueden hacer.
09:25En China no es verdad que tú tienes un X abierto,
09:29ni el TikTok de China es el TikTok de aquí.
09:32Por ejemplo, tú buscas a XGDP,
09:34tú preguntas cualquier cosa de China y te la responde.
09:37Pero el DEPCIC, que es la Inteligencia Arbitraria de
09:40China, tú le preguntas de la plaza Tiananmen la masacre que
09:43hicieron y no te la describe cómo pasó.
09:46Claro, ya eso es una dictadura.
09:48Pero ya hay países demócratas, democráticos,
09:51que establecen determinados niveles y límites,
09:55porque eso se puede.
09:56Bueno, ahora en Estados Unidos,
09:58y todavía ese es un punto que lo vamos a tocar más adelante,
10:01se le está viendo el prontuario de las redes sociales de quienes
10:05solicitan, que publican el contenido,
10:09para conocer un poco más de sus vidas.
10:12Y eso está siendo considerado a la hora del otorgamiento de
10:17visas.
10:18Esto es en el caso de los estudiantes,
10:20pero se replica a otras áreas y se va a seguir replicando.
10:24Obviamente, en el caso que nos compete de la difamación,
10:29es un tanto difícil, a menos que hayan sanciones ejemplares para
10:34quienes inventen, para quienes usen inteligencia artificial y se
10:38inventen cosas y dañen la obra, la tranquilidad,
10:42la moral de familias y de personas.
10:44Eso tiene que tener algún tipo de coto, algún,
10:49no puede seguir así abierto y este tipo de acciones.
10:53Por otro lado, vimos que hubo otra víctima,
10:58la capitana del Jet Set,
11:01y hoy el periódico Listín Diario trae un reportaje sobre todavía dos
11:06personas que tienen cincuenta y pico de días hospitalizados,
11:12Jennifer Taveras y Bartolo Reyes.
11:15Bartolo Reyes era mozo, tuvo múltiples fracturas.
11:20Ramón, 10 costillas de la costilla,
11:23pero también tuvo otras fracturas en algunas partes de su cuerpo.
11:27Y tiene una fractura que no se la han dicho,
11:29que un hermano que fue mesero durante 30 años,
11:32vino de los Estados Unidos.
11:34Fue a visitar a los compañeros esa noche y murió.
11:37Y el caso de Jennifer Taveras, una jovencita de 24 añitos,
11:42y le han hecho múltiples cirugías en las extremidades inferiores y
11:48están esperando que el músculo reaccione para hacerle un injerto de piel
11:52de los múltiples que le han hecho.
11:54Y la familia relata que ha tenido que hacer de todo para acompañarla,
12:00vender cosas, sufrir mucho, amanecer mucho con ella, darle un apoyo.
12:06Y resaltan ellos que, tú sabes que este tipo de acompañamiento,
12:11aún el estado asuma una parte.
12:15La familia, mira el hecho de los pasajes, de las medicinas,
12:18de todas las cosas, de personas que no tienen tantos recursos,
12:21le hace un hoyo.
12:23Y personas que tienen que dejar de trabajar para ir a acompañar al pariente
12:27que está hospitalizado.
12:30Y ella dice que el dueño de la discoteca, los responsables,
12:34han brillado por su ausencia y que no, ni le han llamado,
12:38ni se han solidarizado, y esto ha tenido que ser costeado por su familia.
12:44Obviamente, después de tantos días, cincuenta y pico de días,
12:47ella está desesperada.
12:49Ella está desesperada y se espera, esperamos en Dios,
12:52que se recupere prontamente y que pueda regresar al seno familiar.
12:57De esos 183 heridos rescatados, Ramón, y de 236 muertos,
13:06los otros que salieron por su propio pie, no sabemos realmente cuántos fueron,
13:10pero cientos de personas involucradas en este caso,
13:13que esperamos que no quede impune y que de algo sirva, que sirva de mucho,
13:17porque hay mucha pena, mucho dolor, mucho luto,
13:21mucha pérdida de talento humano, y esto no se puede quedar así, pienso yo.
13:27Ahí el epitafio es, los responsables no han hecho absolutamente nada
13:33a favor de las víctimas.
13:36Eso dice mucho.
13:39Han salido alguna noticita que dice que le están dando un acompañamiento
13:43a los empleados y eso, pero yo no he visto nada contundente
13:47que debió ser desde el primer día ese acompañamiento,
13:51esa responsabilidad social y humana que deben de tener los empresarios
13:55y responsables.
13:57Claro que no quiso, nadie quisiera verse en los zapatos del señor Espaillat,
14:01nadie quiere verse, pero obviamente hay mucha gente,
14:04hay 103 niños huérfanos, Ramón,
14:07que no se sabe qué va a pasar con ellos.
14:10Algunas familias lo pueden acoger, pero a otros les representa
14:13una situación que no pueden manejar, por razones económicas
14:17y de cualquier otro tipo.
14:20Entonces, ¿quién responde por esos niños huérfanos a quienes
14:23se les cercenó en el futuro en cierta forma?
14:25Porque no van a tener el acompañamiento de sus padres,
14:28ni la protección, y van a tener ahora, y tienen desde ya,
14:32muchas carencias, no solamente afectivas, sino económicas
14:36y otro tipo de limitaciones.
14:38Entonces, tenemos que seguir abogando porque haya justicia
14:43y las cosas estén en su lugar, y que ese acompañamiento
14:46esté caramba presente para esas personas que lo necesitan.
14:50Por lo menos hay un paliativo, y fue que el Consejo Nacional
14:52de la Seguridad Social tomó la decisión de ampliar por seis meses
14:56la cobertura del Seguro Familiar de Salud a los sobrevivientes
14:59y familiares de las víctimas.
15:01Senaz apoya eso, pero también se va a incluir a los huérfanos
15:08y a los familiares que perdieron el sostén de la casa,
15:11van a ser incluidos en el régimen subsidiado.
15:14Y eso es un alivio, eso es un paliativo, porque mucha gente
15:19quedó sin seguro.
15:21El jefe de la casa, que era el asegurador principal,
15:24el principal del seguro, el resto queda.
15:28El Consejo Nacional de la Seguridad Social estableció eso,
15:32y también Senaz, que es la principal ARS que maneja
15:38el seguro subsidiado.
15:41Eso está muy bien, Ramón, pero ese acompañamiento debió hacerlo
15:44y decir cuántos son los que no tienen seguro,
15:46qué es lo que hay que pagar, bajen aquí, por favor.
15:49Eso debió hacerlo el señor Espaillat.
15:51Sí.
15:54Independientemente de lo que decidan los tribunales,
15:59eso debió hacerlo él ahora, porque ya el hecho está.
16:04El hecho está y las necesidades existen.
16:07Entonces, no me digas tú a mí que hay que esperar.
16:10Muy bien por Senaz, obviamente este gobierno acompaña,
16:16y cuando quiere acompañar más, también acompaña más.
16:19Pero qué bueno que lo haya hecho, porque es un paliativo
16:22para esta triste situación.
16:24Por otro lado, nos quedan dos informaciones más
16:26que las vamos a comentar rápidamente.
16:28Y es que, bueno, vimos ayer en la información
16:31de que el Tribunal Superior Electoral suspendió
16:34hasta ayer una sentencia el intento del PLD
16:37que pretende sacar un candidato en marzo del año que viene.
16:41Yo alegan que no, que eso no es sacar un candidato.
16:44Pero bueno, si usted decide ahora cuáles son los precandidatos
16:50o los que están facultados, y después usted se inventa
16:53una encuesta, o se inventa de que una consulta,
16:56y ya usted decide que ya ese candidato,
16:59desde marzo del año que viene.
17:02Yo no sé cuál es el afán del PLD de pelearse
17:04o de poner este tema ahora.
17:06Nada más y nada menos con el Tribunal Superior Electoral.
17:10Ellos dicen que lo que han decidido es realizar una consulta
17:15en el primer trimestre del 2026,
17:18para que entre las y los aspirantes presidenciales
17:21coger uno para presentarlo en la fecha prevista.
17:24Pero es lo mismo, es decir, ya hay candidatos,
17:27y ese tipo se va a tirar a la calle a hacer campañas prematuras
17:31y eso va a estimular a los otros partidos a hacer lo mismo.
17:35Por otro lado, señores, como eso funciona en la Cámara de Cuentas,
17:39parecería que se hacían las auditorías y no se publicaban.
17:43Porque ahora en la página web de la Cámara de Cuentas
17:47hay tres auditorías del Ministerio de Hacienda,
17:52del Inaypi y del Ministerio de Industria y Comercio,
17:58auditorías que fueron realizadas
18:00aún durante la administración de Danilo Medina,
18:03aparentemente las Cámaras de Cuentas,
18:07los incumplentes de esos periodos,
18:10archivaban y engavetaban,
18:12bueno, pues ya ahora están ahí a disposición.
18:14Usted puede ver en la prensa, puede ver en la página web,
18:17porque son larguísimas y son muchísimas las irregularidades
18:20que se muestran de Hacienda, del Inaypi
18:23y también del Ministerio de Industria y Comercio
18:26durante el periodo oscila entre 1620, 1520 o hasta el año 19.
18:32Ramón, están colgadas en la página web
18:34de la Cámara de Cuentas de la República Dominicana.
18:37Ahora, ¿qué vamos a hacer con esas auditorías?
18:40Si realmente tienen irregularidades,
18:43todas las auditorías tienen irregularidades,
18:46pero algunas son menores, de procedimientos
18:49y de cositas sueltas de aquí por allá
18:51y otras son con temas mayores.
18:54¿Hacia dónde va eso?
18:55Se supone que si son irregularidades
18:57que implican cuestiones penales,
18:59debe de ir al Ministerio Público,
19:02porque hay irregularidades con un tema de un asiento contable,
19:06a cualquier empresa privada que le haga una auditoria
19:10siempre surgen cosas, pero no son irregularidades ni de falcos,
19:14sino tal asiento no se hizo en la cuenta tal, etc.
19:18Eso se supone, porque el objetivo de esa auditoría,
19:22que ya fueron discutidas con los incumbentes,
19:25es que si hay irregularidades,
19:27la Cámara de Cuentas las envía al Ministerio Público.
19:30Finalmente, señores, una mala noticia para todos los estudiantes
19:34es que la Cámara de Cuentas presenta nada más que le informe
19:37lo que dice y ya.
19:39Lo somete y lo envía.
19:41Pero lo envía ya,
19:43lo que se haga de ahí en adelante
19:45no es responsabilidad de la Cámara de Cuentas,
19:48es un control externo.
19:50Finalmente, una mala noticia para todos los estudiantes del mundo
19:54que aspiran a hacer una pasantía,
19:56hacer un programa, una carrera,
19:59o en los Estados Unidos,
20:01porque la administración te ha ordenado
20:03to the consulates or embassies around the world that do not process applications for the different visas that there are for students.
20:12Marco Rubio says that this is provisional.
20:15Even so much is evaluated in methods.
20:17They seem to be going to take the social networks of a student, and with that you already know the thinking of that student.
20:24That is terrible, and that affects even the United States, because many brains that are going to study stay there.
20:33You know, sometimes you don't understand the logic, the logic is broken.
20:38Well, it is like that.
20:40Last week it was notified to Harvard University that international students will no longer be able to enroll
20:47after months of disputes between the government and the corresponding institution.
20:52So this seems to be going to be replicated and there will be many restrictions to go to study in the United States.
21:01Many universities and centers, Ramón, a part of their enrollment and therefore their income depends on foreign students
21:11who are going to do their specialties there, sometimes with different rates than the locals, in this case the Americans.
21:19And also the issue that in many cases they stay receiving, they are good brains,
21:28because those universities really have rigorous selection mechanisms and centers,
21:34and they stay offering the talent to that country.
21:39Hopefully they return it to its country of origin, and that in the country of origin, for example in the Dominican Republic,
21:45they are paid what corresponds to those brilliant brains who are trained abroad,
21:51and who have to stay in another country or look for a better life,
21:55because here they are not recognized for the qualification they have and they are paid as they should be.
22:02But it is a hard blow, and we are going to see how the universities, the centers, the boarding schools, and others react,
22:10which host hundreds of thousands of students.
22:13They can't do anything because the consulate is unable to give the visa to whoever they want.
22:18But then I don't understand that the notice says that those who already have the appointment will go to their appointment.
22:26There will be no new appointments, but if they are not going to admit what they have in the appointment, what will happen to them?
22:32They will not be able to study in the United States, they will have to study in Europe, they will have to study in Canada, or they will have to study in England.
22:39Fortunately there are many good universities in the rest of the world that are willing to host foreign students.
22:46We are going to commercial break and do not miss the interview with Mr. Javad Ahmed Jiménez,
22:50who is Vice President and Coordinator of the People's Force and former Attorney General of the Republic.
22:56The interview with Mr. Javad Ahmed Jiménez, who is Vice President and Coordinator of the People's Force and former Attorney General of the Republic,
23:24and who has held several positions in different administrations of the PLD, but especially of Dr. Leonardo Fernández.
23:31A pleasure to be with you.
23:34Good morning, doctor.
23:35Good morning, Jackie.
23:36Good morning.
23:37As a result of the dialogue, you suggested to discuss another topic, but I'm not going to go there.
23:43You read a very good article by Janice Spinal, I don't know if you've read it, called,
23:48Con táctica pero sin estrategia, where she says that the first one to talk about a summit, but in general, was Dr. Leonardo Fernández.
24:02Then President Binader invites them.
24:07She says, well, the government has the media monopoly, it is the one that takes the measures,
24:13and the opposition, well, simply joins in, but also the dialogue is loaded with the passives of the problem.
24:22That's right.
24:24Basically, she says that, and then she says that the issue has left the opposition without a strategy,
24:32in front of the government, that Luis Binader is getting very well off with the Haitian issue.
24:36Although the Haitians continue to enter, he is very well placed from the point of view of public opinion.
24:42Evidently, the issue has been capitalized by the government, and in media terms.
24:50In media terms, because in terms of what is the effectiveness of migratory policy, it has been a failure.
24:57Because never before, at least in the last administrations that the country has had as a government,
25:05the Haitian migration has been as intense and multitudinous as it is in this management of the PRM.
25:13However, it is the government management that has done the most damage to the Haitian migratory problem in the Dominican Republic.
25:21Immediate damage.
25:23But doctor, it must also be recognized that now, as never before, Haiti has the most terrible crisis in its history.
25:31It has a great crisis.
25:33It is also necessary to consider this point.
25:35No, obviously, it is a factor that in one way or another has a certain impact.
25:41But it is still that we have, despite the fact that a wall is being built,
25:47the famous wall that I don't know how many kilometers, you who were an engineer, Ramón.
25:52Very little, very little.
25:53How many kilometers?
25:54It has been more than 60 kilometers.
25:55It has not advanced much.
25:56And it is 300 or almost 400 kilometers.
25:59In five years.
26:00Because that was at the beginning of the first government management of the PRM.
26:05So it has not advanced.
26:07Despite the fact that I had the opportunity to see it.
26:11I saw it through Elías Piña, who I was with a month or two ago.
26:18And I also saw what is being done through Dajabón.
26:22And that with a, let's say, with a cutter of that land,
26:30that mesh is cut and it passes through you.
26:32It passes through you because it is a little fence.
26:34A simple fence.
26:36So that is not a thing of the other world either.
26:39And I don't think that will stop Haitian illegal migration either.
26:46Because there are other factors that are, I would say, decisive.
26:51And that have to do with the protection of the border.
26:57Especially those who take care.
26:59And there are a series of situations that have to be intimately related to corruption.
27:07The Haitian goes, gives him two or three pesos.
27:11In the different positions.
27:13He gives him two or three pesos.
27:14Yes.
27:15What is done with those bastards is abusive.
27:19It is abusive.
27:20They come to work, to earn a living here,
27:22with dignity, in the Dominican Republic.
27:24And they are extorted by those organized gangs, right?
27:29That are dedicated to that kind of activity.
27:32So I agree with Jacqueline.
27:35The situation at this moment,
27:37as a result of the ungovernability that Haitians live in,
27:41which is not recent,
27:43which is not recent because it has always been emphasized
27:47that Haiti is a failed state.
27:50And that is the reality.
27:52Haiti is a failed state.
27:54Unfortunately, we are Siamese twins.
27:58We are going to have to live with that reality for life.
28:01But from different parents.
28:02From different parents.
28:03However, we are going to have to live with that reality.
28:06And that is why I believe that the government,
28:10to whom it is up to, has to assume that responsibility.
28:13It is up to the PRM, it has to assume it.
28:16Tomorrow, in three years, it will be up to the people's forces,
28:20to Leónel Fernández.
28:21It has to assume that responsibility.
28:23And assume it with the energy, with the dedication
28:28that this situation of such a neurological issue deserves.
28:35In three years, maybe it will be worse than now.
28:37Probably.
28:38Probably, if there is no intervention
28:41by international organizations,
28:43especially the United Nations,
28:44which I see that precisely today,
28:46the Security Council is meeting to address the Haitian political crisis.
28:52Now, Doctor, the 15 measures that President Abinader announced,
28:58the presence of Abinader in international scenarios,
29:03in the UN and others, in other meetings and summits,
29:08as well as Dr. Roberto Álvarez as Chancellor,
29:13asking the international community for support
29:15and intervention in Haiti.
29:17The issue of deportations,
29:19as I don't remember before so many Haitian migrants had been deported.
29:26Don't you think that something is being done,
29:29that they are wanting to face the problem,
29:31that something is being done,
29:32and the fact of calling the opposition leaders
29:35to have a joint vision of the country
29:39about this situation that affects us
29:41and that even North American congressmen understand
29:47that it is a problem that not only attacks the Dominican Republic
29:51and affects it, but affects the United States and the whole region.
29:54Don't you recognize that, President Abinader
29:56and the team that accompanies you?
29:58Well, of course, obviously.
30:01Imagine that they don't do anything.
30:04They have to do something.
30:06That is their responsibility.
30:08Yes, but look,
30:10with the clumsiness that this government has handled,
30:13do you remember the case of the canal?
30:16The case of the canal?
30:17Yes.
30:18A device was made to stop the construction of the canal.
30:21They even sent war tanks, helicopters, planes.
30:25A huge bulk was made.
30:27And the canal was made.
30:29And the river did not dry up.
30:32And the river did not dry up.
30:34And the canal is there.
30:35The canal is there.
30:36Obviously, by violating the Haitian authorities,
30:40all international agreements on the management of those waters
30:45that have been made for years in the Dominican Republic.
30:50But they took advantage of a very smart tactic
30:54and tricked the authorities,
30:57especially the Chancellery,
30:59which gave them the possibility to slip through a little gap
31:04of an agreement of understanding.
31:07That seems to have happened in 2021
31:10between the Haitian authorities and the Dominican authorities.
31:15And there is the canal.
31:17That huge bulk was made.
31:19And there is the canal.
31:21So, the same is happening with the migration policy.
31:26Ah, we are deporting, deporting.
31:28But, aha, and the Haitians are still here.
31:32And they are everywhere.
31:34So, it is a complicated situation.
31:37We must recognize it.
31:39Perhaps without politicizing the presence of the main leaders.
31:46Because it is a problem that affects us all.
31:52Because it affects us all.
31:54And it is a matter of country, of nation.
32:00I think it can, in one way or another,
32:03contribute to the experience accumulated by the presidents.
32:09They could contribute what cannot be politicized.
32:13But, regardless of the fact that this is a serious problem,
32:17the Haitian problem.
32:18We have another problem, Ramón, as serious as the Haitian problem.
32:23We have the problem of delinquency and drug trafficking.
32:27The same authorities have recognized that in the country,
32:31today, there are more than 40,000 drug points.
32:35But that was only in 2000.
32:38No, no, no, there weren't as many.
32:41They said there were 50,000.
32:43No, no, no, but there weren't as many as now.
32:45Because I know what I'm telling you.
32:46There weren't as many as now.
32:4840,000 drug points in remote areas of the country.
32:52Unimaginable.
32:53Unimaginable.
32:54There are drug points, Ramón.
32:56And everyone knows there are drug points.
32:58But we saw one in Loma de Cabrera.
33:01In Loma de Cabrera?
33:02Where five people were killed.
33:04Where five people were killed.
33:05Five people were killed in Loma de Cabrera in a drug point.
33:08In a drug point.
33:09But that, imagine, that came to light because of what happened.
33:13But that, that's incredible.
33:15If this continues as it goes,
33:17since we, the Dominican Republic, in a not too distant time,
33:22we'll have a generation of zombies in the Dominican Republic.
33:27Because you know the damage that a human being is caused by drugs.
33:33It destroys, first of all, it destroys the entire neuronal system of the brain.
33:39You see, sometimes, those young people, young people who are sad.
33:43So, that's a very serious problem.
33:47So, bad crime.
33:49No, because...
33:50You have to look in the mirror to say, like Mexico.
33:52Oh, but of course.
33:53Not only that, Ramón.
33:54I always said, I always said,
33:57that drug trafficking is the center of the criminal universe.
34:02Let's say, like the sun.
34:04Around the sun, the other planets revolve.
34:07Around drug trafficking, the other criminal currents revolve.
34:15There are robberies, there are robberies, there are robberies,
34:18there are assaults, there are violent crimes.
34:22Family destruction.
34:23Family destruction.
34:25I've seen that there are children who have killed their own mother.
34:29Why does that boy kill his mother?
34:31When, first, they lose all kinds of consciousness and reasoning.
34:36And they kill his mother because she's not giving him for the drug issue.
34:42And, well, young people are outraged.
34:46Because, then, they want...
34:49The need for consumption leads them to rob.
34:54It leads them to commit crimes.
34:56It leads them to assault.
34:57It leads them to kill.
34:58So, it's terrible what drug trafficking causes in society.
35:03So, it's a society that goes towards a decadent drift,
35:09towards an extremely worrying drift.
35:12It's even being used for politics.
35:16In the elections, those young people who are already imbued,
35:22sick with drugs,
35:25they give them drugs so they can vote.
35:30That happened recently in the elections.
35:33And that happened at the national level.
35:34That's terrible.
35:35But for which party? For all the parties?
35:38No.
35:39We know.
35:40We know which party.
35:41But, Rami, don't you think this administration is where the most drugs have been seized
35:44in the history of the country?
35:46When I hear that, I laugh.
35:48And why?
35:49If the DEA itself has recognized it,
35:52and other international entities recognize the work of the DNC.
35:57What you can be sure of is that the one that hasn't been seized
36:01is superlatively greater than the one that has been seized.
36:04That's for you to have a simple idea.
36:07They seized 5 tons.
36:10Now, you can be sure that behind those 5 tons that were seized,
36:14100 came in.
36:16So, another serious problem that is occurring
36:20in relation to this terrible phenomenon of drug trafficking
36:24is that a large part, now, is not paid with money.
36:30Now, it is paid in nature.
36:32In nature.
36:33That's why there is a great proliferation of drug points all over the country.
36:38Just like it was in 2000.
36:40Terrible, terrible.
36:42So, I think that this is a topic for a national summit.
36:47But let's go by party, doctor.
36:50Yes, now we have the crisis with Haiti,
36:54for what it represents.
36:56For jobs, for sovereignty,
36:59for health,
37:01for the labor market,
37:03for the respect of the migratory law,
37:05for the respect of the constitution,
37:08of the labor laws.
37:10In short, for many other things.
37:13We are two different peoples, different cultures,
37:17different objectives.
37:19And it is a great threat because Haiti currently does not have institutions.
37:23It is deforested.
37:25It is dominated by criminal gangs,
37:27some of them are already classified as terrorists by the US government.
37:33There is no...
37:36The institutions do not work.
37:38The trade is destroyed.
37:39A failed state.
37:40A failed state.
37:41So, what are we talking about?
37:42And that is a big problem.
37:44A big problem.
37:45And maybe we should solve it by party.
37:47Because the others that you mention have always existed there.
37:51And perhaps they have not been given an answer from the governments,
37:54from none that satisfies.
37:56From this one neither.
37:58But this is serious and we have to face it.
38:00It is like that.
38:01I think we have to be smart.
38:04We always...
38:06I think that is the vision of comrade Leonel Fernández.
38:09Instead of that wall at the border,
38:12we have to create walls of opportunities.
38:14The border must be given special attention.
38:18That is what Dr. Leonel Fernández said in 2012.
38:21That he did not believe in repatriations,
38:24that what he believed was that there should be a wall of companies
38:28there at the border, on the Haitian side,
38:30and soap there,
38:32so that they would not cross the Dominican Republic.
38:34And on the Dominican side to incentivize.
38:36But with what resources?
38:38If right now this government is not even building,
38:40because it seems that it has problems.
38:42So, who is going to contribute?
38:45And one thing that is unusual,
38:47that seems to have economic problems,
38:49a government that has borrowed more than 40 billion dollars,
38:53more money borrowed than all the governments
38:58of 30 years together,
39:01has borrowed.
39:02So you say, but come here.
39:04And what has been done with that?
39:06That is another issue that has to be put on the table.
39:08The issue of unbridled indebtedness,
39:11of this PRM government management,
39:13and that the results are not seen.
39:15That is another national issue to discuss,
39:18because the future of the Dominican Republic
39:21is already mortgaged.
39:23Here, Ramón knows more than I do about that, about numbers.
39:26Now, only for the payment of Ramón's debts,
39:32are 300 billion pesos.
39:3425% of the income.
39:36Correct.
39:38With your permission, we are going to take a short commercial break.
39:41Very well.
39:42And there is another issue.
39:44We have to talk about the strength of the people.
39:46But of course.
39:47We'll be back in a few minutes.
40:06We continue in Telematutino 11.
40:08This morning we are accompanied by Dr. Radamés Jiménez,
40:11former Attorney General of the Republic.
40:13And he is currently Vice President and General Coordinator
40:18of the People's Strength Party.
40:20Doctor, several things.
40:23The first is the desire of the Dominican Liberation Party
40:28to withdraw.
40:30They say it is a consultation
40:33before the negative of the Superior Electoral Tribunal
40:37in the first quarter of 2026.
40:41I saw that by survey, by whatever,
40:44a candidate and wait until 2027 to present him.
40:48But in a certain way, because that person is chosen,
40:51he is the candidate.
40:53In a certain, almost certain, because the consultation will be internal.
40:57So, that violates the provisions that it should be in 2027.
41:04I would like to know your opinion about it.
41:07And where is the party, People's Strength,
41:10with the issue of the Congress, which has been as eternal.
41:13The longest Congress.
41:15Look, in relation to the issue of the PLD,
41:20we are very respectful of the issues,
41:24of what happens internally in other parties.
41:27You swear what comes out.
41:31Well, sometimes they have even criticized me a lot for that.
41:35Because I live swearing and things.
41:38The problem was that no one can be put a gun
41:41to remain in an organization in the chest.
41:44You can not go. A gun, no.
41:47If a People's Strength agent goes to another party,
41:50let him go well.
41:52Now, we also in People's Strength
41:54we can close the door to a Dominican citizen,
41:58of the PLD, of the PRM, who have come from the PRM,
42:01who wants to be part of the People's Strength.
42:04No, we welcome him.
42:06So, that is natural.
42:08Now, let's go.
42:09You do not deprive those who enter the party?
42:12Yes, above all.
42:13And the issue of training?
42:15Well, now, precisely, once the Congress is concluded,
42:20which we will conclude now in the month of July,
42:23we will officially close,
42:25the School of Political Training of the People's Strength
42:29will immediately come into operation.
42:32And it will be mandatory for those members of the organization
42:36who want to have a participation
42:39in the internal management bodies of the party,
42:42just as they want to participate in the positions of popular election,
42:47they have to go through the filter
42:49of the School of Political Training of the People's Strength.
42:52This is a very important filter for us,
42:56and it will be in the Ethics Commission of the party
43:02as a golden rule,
43:05to filter each individual
43:10who enters to be part of the People's Strength.
43:13And you know why I say that?
43:15Because the narco-politics is doing a lot of damage
43:19to the political system of the Republican Party.
43:21Penal history?
43:23Penal history, and to do our investigations,
43:26because sometimes there are people who do not have a criminal record.
43:30But they have some securities.
43:32But they have some securities that you say that over time,
43:36Ramón has almost 50 years as a civil engineer
43:40and he has a whole trajectory that is known.
43:43A builder, a person who works, a person who has,
43:46but he has years.
43:48But in high school,
43:50in high school you have an individual who does not have
43:53that family, commercial or professional trajectory,
43:58and he appears to you with all the billions of dollars in the world,
44:02then wait, then you have to get suspicious.
44:05And above all, that this type of individual is very greedy.
44:10It does not hurt him.
44:12It does not hurt him.
44:14And you know how hard it is, for example,
44:16Ramón asks him, Ramón says, wait,
44:20Ramón is not going to give his money like that,
44:22nor you, since it costs you so much sacrifice,
44:25and we, 40 years in the exercise of the profession,
44:28you have a family, you have children.
44:32You understand me.
44:33For some reason, Radamé has not been appointed as a civil engineer.
44:35Never.
44:36So finally, in July, the Congress ends.
44:39Yes, yes.
44:40In the month of July, we will close the Congress.
44:44Everything is going very well.
44:46First, we successfully concluded the first phase,
44:49and we are already in the preliminary phase of everything that has to do
44:53with the election of the new authorities of the party.
44:57So it's going very well.
44:58There is enormous enthusiasm throughout the country,
45:02many people lining up to be part of the people's force
45:06throughout the national territory,
45:08support from many sectors,
45:11and that has a fundamental reason.
45:13Here, everyone who is minimally intelligent knows
45:17that this country was transformed by Compañero Leonel Fernández.
45:20How little we have of modernity,
45:23how little we have of infrastructure,
45:26on the institutional level,
45:29Compañero Leonel Fernández provoked a revolution,
45:33let's say, democratic in the Dominican Republic,
45:36in institutional terms, the constitution of 2010,
45:39new institutions,
45:41the issue of transparency of public institutions,
45:44which, by the way, has been lost in this government,
45:47because this government has had the ability to ravage,
45:51in general terms, almost all public institutions,
45:54health services on the ground,
45:56in terms of infrastructure,
45:57they have been unable in five years to present
46:00a single piece of infrastructure to the country.
46:03The one they started,
46:04the one they started at the beginning of the government,
46:06they haven't been able to finish it yet,
46:08these six kilometers from the subway to the Alcazizos,
46:11they haven't been able to finish it yet.
46:13In other words, an incapacity that the people have already realized
46:18and has taken the lead.
46:20What is big is the investment in advertising terms,
46:25there is no one who wins, there is no one who wins.
46:28So, the people already say that this is a government
46:31of discovery and movement,
46:33but deep down, when you go to look for it,
46:35it is a lot of foam and little chocolate.
46:38Radamel Jiménez, thank you very much.
46:40We look forward to seeing you soon.
46:42We go to commercial and we have an interview
46:43with the Director of Créditos de Negocios
46:45of the Cooperative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
47:04In the final stretch of Telematutino 11,
47:06we are going to talk with Alexander Nova,
47:08the Director of Créditos de Negocios
47:10of the Cooperative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
47:13They are the real cooperatives,
47:15because you know that I am always a critic
47:17of those that are savings and credit,
47:19which is something else.
47:20Good morning, Alexander, welcome.
47:22It is a pleasure to be here today with you,
47:24a program that I have seen since I was a child.
47:27Well, thank you, good morning.
47:29Which says that you are the eldest son.
47:31Alexander, what do you do?
47:33How does the cooperative operate?
47:35We are the cooperative for the collaborators
47:37of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
47:39and all its dependencies and all the institutions
47:41that are affiliated to them.
47:43We recently signed a memorandum of understanding
47:45with the General Directorate of Passports,
47:47which was part of that approach,
47:49and now the collaborators can enjoy
47:51the services of our cooperative.
47:53It should be noted that the cooperative
47:55is from the private sector,
47:57and that is why it is a very important
47:59cooperative.
48:01It should be noted that the cooperative
48:03is from the government sector,
48:05which is usually one of the most
48:07solid cooperatives.
48:09Okay, and what do you do?
48:11How do you organize?
48:13And what benefits do the collaborators
48:15of the cooperative get?
48:17Yes, our cooperative is a cooperative
48:19by district.
48:21Cooperatives can become by district
48:23after they have 1,000 members.
48:25Now, we are currently a cooperative
48:27with people from abroad,
48:29because we have consuls, vice-consuls,
48:31ambassadors of the Dominican Republic
48:33in other countries,
48:35who are members of us.
48:37They can enjoy the services,
48:39as they also enjoy the services
48:41of the financial sector,
48:43of the traditional bank,
48:45at a rate more affordable,
48:47because we must remember
48:49that cooperatives are for mutual aid
48:51rather than for profit.
48:53Basically, they are financing.
48:55All kinds of financing,
48:57like the traditional bank.
48:59We finance vehicles,
49:01we give all kinds of loans,
49:03we finance appliances.
49:05Everything that can be financed,
49:07everything that can be given,
49:09supermarket combos, for example,
49:11shopping orders, cooperatives give it.
49:13But with what resources?
49:15How do you do it?
49:17An individual contribution
49:19from each collaborator?
49:21Yes, of course.
49:23People must save.
49:25They must contribute.
49:27And what they lend
49:29is a function of what they have accumulated, right?
49:31Yes, it is a function of their savings.
49:33In the case of us,
49:35we are a cooperative,
49:37we are not as big as there are in the country,
49:39we lend three times
49:41what the person has in their contribution account.
49:43We must remember that cooperatives
49:45have withdrawable savings accounts
49:47and have contribution accounts.
49:49Contributions, to put it simply,
49:51are like shares.
49:53Exactly.
49:55Very well. Thank you very much, Alexander,
49:57for this information about cooperatives
49:59that are real cooperatives.
50:01Because there are other cooperatives
50:03that are banks that function
50:05without supervision.
50:07Thank you very much.
50:09And with this, we end this Wednesday.
50:11The week goes by very quickly.
50:13God willing, see you tomorrow.
50:15Well, have a good day,
50:17an excellent day in the company
50:19of the Dominican system, Canal 1.
50:21See you tomorrow, Thursday at noon.
50:23Until then.