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00:00Thank you for allowing us to enter your homes through TeleSistema and our YouTube channel, Telematutino11.
00:07Good morning. Happy Wednesday. Good morning, Jaqueline Morel.
00:10Hello, Ramón. Good morning. Good morning, Dominican Republic.
00:12This Wednesday begins, half of the week, Wednesday, May 21, and Telematutino11 begins.
00:18Well, together we are going to make a tour of some of the important information of the country and the world
00:23that affect the Dominican Republic.
00:26Today we also have the participation of an expert on fiscal issues, which are so important.
00:34We will see why.
00:35It is Mr. Nelson Suárez, who is an economist, specialist in fiscal issues, academic and researcher,
00:43and who is here with us in the program.
00:45And in a second participation we will receive Mr. Nelson Rosario,
00:49Vice President of the Institute of Internal Auditors of the Dominican Republic,
00:54who is going to talk to us, give us information about a congress about auditing.
01:01We invite you to be with us this morning. Welcome.
01:04There is a lot of information. As always, there is a lot of IT.
01:08It seems that a little light turns on at the end of the tunnel,
01:12because yesterday the Secretary of State, Marcos Rubio,
01:14in a participation in the Senate of the United States,
01:17urged the Organization of American States to assume a more active role in the case of Haiti,
01:23to prepare a multinational force that the United States would be willing to support
01:30if its partners in the region join.
01:34Well, Marcos Rubio urged the OAS to take a step forward.
01:40He says that this is what it is for, to intervene when there is a crisis.
01:44Obviously, Haiti is facing a crisis that escalated in 2021
01:48with the murder of President Juvenel Moïse.
01:52So, from there, the Haitian situation has become complicated,
01:56because gangs have taken over the entire territory.
01:59And we have already seen how this has deteriorated all the institutions,
02:03which are practically non-existent.
02:05Security shines because of their absence.
02:07There have been kidnappings and, above all, thousands of deaths.
02:10And they have plunged that country into a state of total abandonment and lack of anything you want to imagine.
02:17So far, the gangs have dominated.
02:19The UN approved a peace mission, after the multiple insistence of the Dominican Republic,
02:24both of President Abinader and our Chancellor.
02:28Why do they keep an eye on Haiti?
02:30And that mission that Kenya leads, well, weak, few soldiers, few resources, few incentives.
02:39And Marcos Rubio had already warned, he had solidarized with President Abinader,
02:43seeing what is really happening in Haiti, how serious it is, and that he can't take it anymore.
02:48So, he emphasized to the OAS that the United States contributes a lot,
02:53and that it has to act, and that the countries in the area cannot be ignored,
02:57because this is a problem that affects not only the Dominican Republic,
03:01but also the entire region.
03:04Yes, in fact, the UN has not been able to take a step like the one that is due to the multinational force,
03:12because let's remember that in the Security Council, every time the issue is introduced,
03:16China and Russia veto, because in the Security Council, five large countries can veto.
03:24Now, perhaps a great opportunity opens up, obviously, there has to be an answer,
03:29because apart from Kenya and a few soldiers from the Bahamas, from the Caribbean Islands,
03:37and also some from El Salvador, but who do not participate directly in the theater of war,
03:44because it is a war that must be deliberated,
03:46so perhaps now the UN is encouraged to call for its permanent council,
03:52and that several countries in the region are willing to join a peace force.
03:57Hopefully that happens, and that the United States, if it does not provide soldiers,
04:02provides money, provides logistics, and provides technology to decapitate the gangs,
04:09and try to achieve peace, which is the preliminary step for elections and a legitimate government in Haiti.
04:17On the other hand, within the same order, we are already used to international amnesty
04:22being excluded from our migratory rights, but this time it was ignored.
04:29I sent a message to President Abinader, where he was told that he should not be deported,
04:37given the crisis situation in Haiti, that is, we have to open the doors,
04:41and that because of the violence of the gangs, all Haitians should come here,
04:47question the policies in the hospitals, the policies of President Abinader,
04:53which are framed in our constitution and in our migratory law.
04:58What I wonder is, why didn't the United Nations send a letter to President Trump?
05:03Because in the United States they are deporting Haitians, and deporting citizens from all over the world,
05:07and sometimes they are making a mistake and deporting citizens who are legal,
05:14but well, they have their rights, but it is very easy to throw a stone at the little one, at the Dominican Republic.
05:19Mr. Ramon, I was looking for who finances and what are the purposes of international amnesty,
05:26and it is obvious that it is against the Dominican Republic, because they say that deportations should be stopped.
05:35If you told me that they made the request, which would be legitimate,
05:39that they did it carefully, that human rights and human dignity are respected,
05:44that the corresponding protocols are followed, and respecting the internal laws of the country in question,
05:50which in this case is the Dominican Republic, I would accept it.
05:53But it is unacceptable that they say that deportations should be stopped.
05:56It is unacceptable that they want to put rules on us.
05:59It is unacceptable that they take it against the Dominican Republic,
06:02and I do not see that activity against the United States, Mexico,
06:07or any European country, or any other country in the Caribbean region,
06:11which also deports those who understand that they should not remain in their territory for different reasons,
06:18either criminal or because they do not comply with the process that they are properly documented,
06:26and that they have a visa of any kind, or that they have their documents in order.
06:32So we cannot allow anyone to take away that right from us.
06:36And this is not because they are Aryan, blond, black, of any nationality.
06:41Obviously, most of them have to be Haitian,
06:45because Haitians are the ones who are in the masses arriving in the Dominican Republic.
06:49Let them be in order, and let them be respectful of the law and dignity,
06:53but no one can take away that right from the country.
06:55Not even the points that Abinader said, I hope he fulfills them, the 15 points.
07:00I think that in this case, as it was a statement of the President of the Republic,
07:13the Chancellery of the Republic must respond in a forceful way, point by point,
07:19to that statement of Amnesty International.
07:22And if they have a representative in the country,
07:24I imagine they have one, they must declare him ungrateful,
07:28because Amnesty International has been attacking and slandering the Dominican Republic for many years.
07:36They are not the only ones, because there are also several agencies of the United Nations,
07:40including ACNUR, who have had the pretension of pointing out to us what we should do in terms of immigration.
07:46What I don't understand is why Amnesty International, ACNUR, and other NGOs,
07:54that with all the legitimate right define Haiti,
07:56Haiti needs more help there than here.
08:00Why don't they provide us with the resources that they spend doing evil things here?
08:05Don't they invest them helping thousands of Haitians who need an accompaniment,
08:10but over there in that territory?
08:11Even food. Amnesty has a lot of money and has a donor fund.
08:16They say it on their page.
08:17Yes.
08:18And you see that on the page they talk about Syria, Ukraine,
08:21but neither the United States nor those who deport.
08:24Yesterday I commented that in Chile they deported 32 undocumented foreigners, including Dominicans,
08:32and nobody tells Chile.
08:33And in all the countries of the world today where there is a strong migration,
08:37deportations are taking place.
08:39And they don't deport us either, the Dominicans, especially from the United States.
08:43Basically.
08:45And it's sad because we know that those who leave their respective countries are looking for a better life.
08:51But we can't tell Trump that if there is a Dominican who understands that he doesn't comply,
08:56and the authorities, because they are not legal,
08:59and there is no way to legalize his status,
09:02and they understand that he must be deported or because they have fulfilled a sentence
09:05and they are not interested in having him there,
09:07we can't ask him not to do it.
09:09That's why, and look, they have increased.
09:12In Barack Obama's government, hundreds were deported.
09:17More than what Trump did in his first term.
09:21We don't like it, but it's a reality.
09:25What we have to do is give them the opportunity here so that those people can develop
09:29and that there is an environment so that fewer Dominicans want to leave our territory.
09:35But they can't ask us, because of the situation in Haiti,
09:39not to deport, because not deporting means that they keep coming in.
09:44So we can't carry on with complete Haiti.
09:47But we can't assume that they are already here.
09:49Neither.
09:50But if you stop deporting, that's an invitation,
09:54keep crossing, and there will come a time when we will have 5 million Haitians,
09:5910 million Haitians, and the Dominican Republic will crumble.
10:03Ramón, how ugly what has been happening in the Dominican Republic,
10:07in social networks, with the dissemination of private comments,
10:13of the private life of very dear people,
10:16that really affects the whole panorama.
10:21And how ugly it is that there are comments of a private nature,
10:26that are against honor, morality, and integrity,
10:29but above all, the privacy of people.
10:31In this case, I am referring to Farideh Raful,
10:34who is currently Minister of the Interior and Police.
10:38And, well, in social networks, they are saying everything.
10:43Farideh has a campaign.
10:44There are many detractors.
10:46There are many people who don't like the work she does.
10:48They don't like her career.
10:50They don't agree with her work.
10:52There are also many envious people, many slanderers.
10:55And all of this together has created a horrible bomb
10:59that has exploded in the social networks.
11:02And I'll let you say the price.
11:03Maybe that's why.
11:05They are looking for a way.
11:08Because it's not possible, because it's not just the social networks.
11:11This slander of hers, against Farideh and against Milagro Germán,
11:16is done on a television channel.
11:21Because it's done on a television channel,
11:24which I don't understand why the operators,
11:26because they are channels that are not open,
11:28but channels that are on the cable,
11:30where they insult, where they violate privacy.
11:36And of course, that then goes viral in the social networks,
11:39and they repeat it.
11:41And they attack the morals of honorable people,
11:44of people who have families, who have children,
11:46who have parents, who have partners.
11:49And then you say, come here.
11:50And the only way out is how Farideh is going to look for a lawyer
11:56in cases that last a long time.
11:58Because I remember Hipólito Mejía had a case for many years.
12:02And Vice President Sedeño had a case with a journalist
12:08that lasted many years, because the lawsuits here are long.
12:11Ramón, there would be no way.
12:12But Farideh says that she will go and that she has her body of lawyers
12:16and that she will not settle for being told that they were wrong
12:20or that they asked for a public apology,
12:22because she will not accept that.
12:23Gentlemen, and everything that is said in the networks,
12:26you have to take it with a grain of salt,
12:28as they say in the field.
12:29And to know that anything that is spoken or said is not enough,
12:35because with artificial intelligence they make videos for you,
12:38they put your voice, they put your figure, and so on.
12:44But besides that, Ramón, in the remote case that it were true,
12:49who cares?
12:50Everyone's private life is their private life,
12:53and no one has to get involved.
12:56What affects what you do with your private life,
12:59intimate, behind a, I don't know, that's your private life.
13:04That has nothing to do with it,
13:05and no one has the right to get involved in that part of a person's life,
13:10whether it is public or not.
13:12But I hope the people in charge will punish him, and I don't understand,
13:17because they are people who have channels,
13:18that you look for them in the thousand and something channels
13:21of X telephone operator.
13:24But Ramón is gossip, people love him,
13:26and that went viral.
13:28I wonder why these operators keep that kind of channel,
13:33because, okay, if you're on YouTube, YouTube is a platform.
13:36What I don't understand is how our colleagues,
13:40knowing this kind of thing,
13:44without any consideration in their respective programs at the national level,
13:48put the video of who makes that complaint.
13:54I'm going to tell you who, and I'm surprised by that.
13:58There, the PRM says that Faride has a campaign set up a long time ago,
14:04and that they support her.
14:08Today it's Faride, but tomorrow it can be anyone,
14:11who doesn't like someone for whatever reason,
14:15and they set up a campaign for her too.
14:17And that campaign, although many people know that it's not true,
14:23some people are left with the hard part.
14:25Slander, slander, that something is left.
14:28And that leaves a sediment.
14:31And especially in people who have made an effort to build an image,
14:36it must be very painful for those who are involved.
14:39Look, finally, last week an invitation was circulated,
14:43I thank you for inviting me, and I was there.
14:47Let's put the invitation, Mr. Director.
14:49Look there.
14:50Donald Trump Jr. and José Gómez Canan invite the new order of power
14:55and artificial intelligence.
14:57Well, there, in the activity, there were businessmen, politicians,
15:03including Jean Alain Rodríguez.
15:04And Donald Trump Jr. was there.
15:06No, no, he wasn't.
15:07And they explained why the invitation said...
15:10No, no, that wasn't explained.
15:13There, José Gómez had a video, but then he explained
15:17about an artificial intelligence that he...
15:19Ah, well, there, look, very nice, the staging.
15:24He explained about an artificial intelligence called Maria.
15:27A project.
15:28No, no, no, it's already a quality.
15:31Well.
15:32And he says that with that artificial intelligence,
15:35he's going to be connected to different state bodies,
15:37and he's going to determine where there are overestimations,
15:40where there is public or private corruption.
15:43And he even put the artificial intelligence to talk
15:48with the master of ceremonies, and she drew up a case
15:50of a solicitation of the social plan of the presidency,
15:54and mentioned two companies with their executives
15:58that they had overestimated.
16:00And then he introduced Mr...
16:03Roger Stone.
16:03Roger Stone, introducing him as his mentor,
16:08as the person who had helped him for this project.
16:13Roger Stone is a political consultant, conservative,
16:17skilled, strategist.
16:20He has participated in several campaigns
16:21of the Republican Party.
16:24He is characterized, as the artificial intelligence says,
16:27by conspiracy theories.
16:31And he was in President Trump's campaign,
16:34the first campaign.
16:35But he had to leave it.
16:37When the accusation came that there was Russian intermission
16:41in the campaign, and they also got him out
16:44and even sued him.
16:46Because when those WikiLeaks papers came out,
16:49it is said that he was part of the papers
16:51that were taken out of Hillary Clinton.
16:53Anyway, he talked about the Trump government,
16:56about his relations, and about artificial intelligence.
17:00But it turns out that now a US embassy spokesman
17:04says that the US government has nothing to do
17:09with that platform.
17:10Hoxha had said that there would be cooperation,
17:13that there would be an exchange of information
17:16with the United States.
17:17And that he even offered that to the Dominican government.
17:20And that's why he resigned from his companies
17:24that provided services to the government,
17:27so he could have the freedom to use that intelligence
17:31for transparency and the fight against corruption.
17:34Yes, but he says that he would be in negotiations
17:38with the Dominican state, because for Maria to function,
17:40it has to have relations with some institutions.
17:44No, no, no.
17:45He even put the platform at the level of anyone
17:50who is interested.
17:51Maria.com.do
17:53OK.
17:53So, Reynolds Stone, through his account X,
17:56said that several officials of the Dominican Republic
17:59are being investigated by the Department of Justice
18:01of the United States.
18:02It is now true that that department,
18:05if it wanted to deny it or not say anything,
18:08and which if it does not say anything,
18:09it would give it the benefit of the doubt
18:11that many Dominican officials are currently
18:14being investigated for overestimation,
18:17for the issue of corruption, and for other unholy actions
18:28for which they would be being investigated
18:29by the Department of Justice of the United States.
18:31He was not wrong.
18:32He said that he had also involved an ex-ambassador
18:35of the time of Biden, and it turns out that
18:37while in the four years of President Democrat Biden,
18:40there was no ambassador in the Dominican Republic.
18:43The last ambassador was a lady,
18:45and that was in the first period of President Trump.
18:50Look, he says he investigates fraud, fraud and corruption.
18:55We'll see.
18:57We are going to commercials.
18:58Do not miss the interview with Mr. Nelson Suárez,
19:01an economist, but a specialist in tax policy.
19:10The interview between the Matutino 11 is important,
19:12and one of the most important topics
19:14in the campaign of Mr. Nelson Suárez,
19:16as we said, an economist, specialized in the tax area.
19:21There are not many economists who are dedicated to that area,
19:24and he is an academic researcher.
19:26Good morning, Nelson.
19:27Welcome for the first time to Telematutino 11.
19:31Second time.
19:31Second time?
19:32Yes, I came here a while ago.
19:34It's been a while.
19:35For me it is a great honor to be here,
19:38because it is a space of great influence,
19:40and also I am a follower.
19:44I always see in the morning.
19:45I review all of them,
19:47and one of the ones I have to review, obviously,
19:50is the Matutino.
19:52Well, that makes us very happy.
19:53Thank you very much.
19:55I recently received, as they say, a paper that you did,
20:01which we cannot deal with extensively,
20:03for the German Center for German Studies,
20:08which was my professor in economics.
20:11Very interesting, because you start from 2000 to our day,
20:16making a x-ray of the fiscal situation of the Dominican Republic.
20:21You cannot condense the whole issue of fiscal deficits,
20:25of debt, of the sustainability of debt,
20:29because you present some projections of what it should be,
20:33or what it will be in 2026-2028,
20:35because we do not have a fiscal reform.
20:37Yes, well, again I want to reiterate your thanks
20:41for allowing me to reach your audience.
20:44Well, we have important challenges in the fiscal issue,
20:50and I say one thing,
20:51we are not facing an imminent situation of unsustainability.
20:59That is not...
21:00I like to balance a lot there.
21:02I always say, and I have been repeating in various scenarios,
21:06we are not as good as the government says,
21:10but not as bad as the opposition says.
21:13We are a country that has achieved certain advances
21:17in the last three decades,
21:19with an economic growth of around 5%
21:24in the last 30-32 years.
21:28So, but we do have a series of challenges
21:33and issues that we have to pay attention to in the country.
21:38Exactly, to do what I think is the main objective
21:41that any ruler in the country has to have,
21:44is to maintain stability.
21:46Economic stability, political stability,
21:49the social stability that we have.
21:51Because in a world as tumultuous as the one we are living in,
21:55with many uncertainties,
21:58maintaining the stability that we have maintained
22:02in the last 20 years,
22:03especially in social and political terms,
22:06I think that for me it would be a fundamental objective.
22:10In fact, I would not even be so keen on doubling the GDP,
22:15therefore, no.
22:17With maintaining the stability that we have,
22:19I think that is a...
22:21So, the fiscal issue is a fundamental issue
22:25within the question of stability.
22:27Mr. Nelson, when you say that we have stability,
22:31and that this is the most important thing,
22:33some say that this stability is fictitious,
22:35because it is based on loans.
22:37Our stability that we have had in the last 20 years,
22:40is it real or is it fictitious?
22:42Well, it can have both,
22:45and you are right.
22:47We have an economy
22:49that sometimes, in fact, people who study the evolution of economies,
22:55can think, well, how can this economy,
22:58with a deficit, for example, of persistent commercial balance,
23:02during the last 20, 30 years,
23:06of 10, 12% GDP,
23:08how can that be sustained?
23:09Well, the Dominican economy has
23:12what I call a kind of holy grail.
23:17A protection.
23:19That, for me, is in the issue of family remittances.
23:26That is, the remittances provide me with 8% of GDP,
23:30for free.
23:32And those are the remittances that are transparent,
23:35the ones that I can quantify,
23:37because they come through...
23:39But there are other levels of remittances, for example,
23:42of shipping remittances.
23:44Here, in most of the low-middle-class homes,
23:50they receive a box or a tank...
23:53Yes, of rice, tea...
23:54...periodically, with food, canned food,
23:57from the family that receives it in the United States,
24:00sometimes they accumulate it,
24:01in those social programs they have in the United States.
24:03And that is another source of remittances,
24:05which, in fact, I have made an effort to try to quantify.
24:08It's difficult.
24:09Because it has an important volume.
24:11And not to mention other levels of non-transparent remittances,
24:15that are also of an important magnitude.
24:19So that is an issue.
24:21But, regardless of the source,
24:24that gives you stability.
24:27For example, this year we will possibly reach
24:31$11 billion in family remittances.
24:35In other words, which sector of the economy,
24:38tourism still cannot compete directly.
24:42Well, most of it is left out.
24:44There are those who also question the fact
24:47that remittances create a situation,
24:49because they make us depend on a situation from abroad,
24:53just like exports.
24:55It's the same.
24:56Now, this is a source, a contribution,
24:59which comes practically without counter-profit.
25:02And for me it is one of the elements,
25:04and what I call the holy grail of the Dominican economy.
25:07I like that metaphor.
25:09So, you have those elements.
25:11Now, if we are growing,
25:14if we take the trajectory of growth in the Dominican Republic,
25:18which on average is around 5%,
25:22but it is not so high.
25:26It is a sinusoidal line that gives us a lot of instability
25:31and puts us at risk.
25:33So, that's what I suggest,
25:35that we should be looking for in the Dominican Republic.
25:38I prefer, in these times of uncertainty,
25:41to have issues that give me uncertainty
25:44in economic, social and political stability,
25:46than to be inventing and wanting to bet,
25:49sometimes, here we are good,
25:51and especially in the political field,
25:53doing a lot of these speeches that are now
25:56on social media, looking for likes.
25:59So, I think we have a lot of positive things,
26:01but we also have serious challenges to face,
26:05because we have vulnerabilities,
26:08that any situation of international instability
26:12can impact and destroy what we have achieved for decades.
26:16That's the position I have.
26:18But without fiscal reform,
26:20how are we going to manage this situation,
26:22where we have seen that capital spending
26:26has fallen to lower levels in the last 20 years?
26:30Yes, I have been collecting information
26:33on the subject of capital spending for some time.
26:36We have had, at least from the time
26:38that I have been managing the information,
26:40the information is not so precise,
26:44but at least since the time of Balaguer,
26:47we had 6% of GDP in public investment,
26:52and that has been decreasing,
26:54and we are already at 2.1%.
26:56In fact, a significant piece of data,
26:59in the first quarter of this year,
27:02the capital spending,
27:04the public investment spending of the government,
27:06fell by 26%,
27:08almost 14,000, 15,000 million pesos,
27:13compared to the same period of 2024.
27:16So, that is a situation.
27:18Now, what is happening?
27:20And there is one of the things that I identified,
27:24looking at the data from 2020 to 2024,
27:28we have a primary current spending,
27:32the primary current spending is to take away
27:35the interests and the capital spending,
27:37which is approximately 11% of GDP.
27:40So, imagine what I am saying.
27:43What does that include?
27:44That includes all the expenses
27:46of the functioning of the state.
27:48The interests and the capital spending are taken out.
27:51That is like the normal functioning
27:53of the Dominican state.
27:55That is a billion pesos,
27:58and I have that same proportion,
28:02a little more, of collection.
28:0513%.
28:0613%, so I have 2% left
28:09to cover all the debt service,
28:12which is practically a quarter
28:15of the country's budget,
28:17which is another of the elements
28:19that stand out in the work,
28:20of how that accumulation of deficit
28:23in the last 25, 24 years,
28:26we started with a deficit of $277 million
28:29in 2000, which in 2004
28:32was $4,600 million.
28:35The deficit, by definition,
28:37becomes debt, which is what Jacqueline said.
28:40So, Mr. Suárez,
28:42in February of this year,
28:44you wrote an article where you,
28:46with an argument, said that
28:48Abinader is the president
28:50who has managed the largest amount
28:52of resources in history.
28:54And you say that, well,
28:57the 25.2% of the resources managed
28:59between 20 and 24 came from
29:01debt, and that we are talking about
29:04that in these last 20 years
29:06of democratic history,
29:08Abinader has managed $98,982.7 million.
29:13This is not a real data.
29:15When we have that data,
29:18why then, this distortion,
29:21why is capital spending so low?
29:23What justifies it?
29:25Why, of that $11 billion, you say
29:27that only $2 billion is left
29:29to be spent.
29:30In that dynamic, in that equation,
29:32what is failing, if there is a failure?
29:34Yes, there is the problem.
29:36As you know, in the Dominican Republic
29:40there is an important issue
29:42of clientelism.
29:44Of public administration.
29:46Not of this government.
29:47Of everything.
29:48It is a history that we have had.
29:50For a long time, the state has been taken
29:54as an element to capture
29:58the interest of voters.
30:01And how do they do it?
30:02Through the budget.
30:03So, we have a public administration
30:06that must have,
30:08and when I speak of public administration
30:10I mean the state in general,
30:13about 700,000 employees.
30:16So, to maintain that structure...
30:20Has that number increased?
30:22Officially, in your data?
30:24Well, I'm going to tell you.
30:25I just saw some data
30:26in the Social Security Treasury.
30:28Between February 2024 and February 2025,
30:36the number of public administration
30:40employees increased by almost 34,000.
30:43That is, the dynamic factor
30:46in the creation of employment in the country
30:48is the public sector.
30:50Good or bad, we have to evaluate the impact.
30:54Normally, the state has a component
30:57of employment that is a kind of cushion
31:01for the inability of the private sector
31:03to absorb the labor that is incorporated
31:07every year.
31:09Is that good or bad?
31:11Ideally...
31:13Because if they are unemployed,
31:15and they are employed,
31:16anyone would say it's good.
31:17But to what extent is that giant government
31:21healthy?
31:22Because then other things are being sacrificed.
31:24Another issue that I raised there.
31:26Well, the government, perhaps,
31:28and that is a discussion that I have been raising,
31:30in fact, Professor Isidoro Santana
31:33addresses it a lot,
31:34the issue of the size of the state.
31:36Notice that we,
31:38and it is a question that also results
31:40from this analysis in this work,
31:43we do not have a state
31:45that we can say is hypertrophied,
31:49but we can't say it's a small state either.
31:52When I add up the entire public sector,
31:54that gives me around 27-28% of GDP,
31:59and this is an important number.
32:03Not because there are countries
32:05where it can be 40%,
32:08but we don't have a state as big
32:12as we sometimes think,
32:13but it's not that small either.
32:14Now we do have a mania for employment
32:17with a dimension
32:19that has a significant weight
32:22in employment at the national level.
32:25But as you say,
32:26you also have to add the electric issue.
32:28Well, those are there...
32:30The subsidies...
32:31That's what I'm saying.
32:32Another thing that came out of this work
32:35was that around 60%
32:39of the public administration's deficit
32:42is due to the deficit of the electric sector.
32:45The non-electric public companies
32:47are in deficit.
32:49The transfers to the central bank...
32:53Recent data.
32:55Right now, in the first quarter,
32:58in the first quarter of this year,
33:01the government had an accumulated deficit
33:04of 77 billion pesos.
33:0843,000.
33:10In that same period,
33:12there was a transfer to those deficit sectors,
33:14the central bank, the electric sector,
33:16and public companies,
33:17of 43 billion pesos.
33:19That's more than 56% of the deficit.
33:24That's one of the issues I'm raising there.
33:27If I don't correct those deficits,
33:29I don't have the probability
33:32of being able to speak
33:34about a public sector
33:36that may not be in balance,
33:38which is a joke,
33:39but at least can operate,
33:42can reduce the levels of debt,
33:45and can then reduce the weight,
33:48the extraordinary burden
33:50that the debt service means.
33:52In the first four months,
33:55we've paid, including the transfers
33:58to the central bank,
33:59close to 100 billion pesos in interest.
34:02And we've spent 38,000 in public investment.
34:06That's absolute madness.
34:09That's unsustainable in the long term.
34:13Or we're putting ourselves at serious risk
34:17that any instability
34:19that closes the international resource source
34:23that I ask for,
34:24I put in 1,000 million bonuses
34:27and I get 5,000.
34:28If that affects us,
34:30then we're going to have serious problems
34:32to face the reality of the country.
34:34Nelson Suarez, with your permission,
34:36we're going to take a short commercial break.
34:38We still have some issues of interest
34:40within the fiscal area.
34:46We continue in Telematutino 11.
34:48Tomorrow we'll be talking
34:50with Mr. Nelson Suarez,
34:51an economist specializing in fiscal issues.
34:54And to understand all these puzzles
34:57that every economist has an impression of,
35:00we've been able to draw the conclusion
35:03that Mr. Suarez says
35:06that the economy is not as good
35:08as the government says,
35:09but it's not as bad either
35:10as the opposition says.
35:12So there are versions, Mr. Nelson,
35:15that say that we're already at the point
35:17where the foreign debt can't take it anymore,
35:20that it's unsustainable in the long run.
35:22But we see that every time in Congress
35:25new loans are approved.
35:27And you'll tell me,
35:28well, yes, they were included in the budget.
35:30But to what extent,
35:31if a fiscal reform,
35:33whether gradual or non-gradual,
35:35you once wrote that it could be gradual
35:37and that,
35:38not perhaps the one proposed by the government,
35:40but to what extent is that sustainable,
35:42taking into consideration the reality
35:45of low capital spending,
35:48what that means in the long run
35:51and how vulnerable we are in a way
35:54that perhaps like any economy,
35:56but ours,
35:57which depends so much on the outside world,
35:59could affect us.
36:01To what extent are the patterns
36:03that we have until today in fiscal policy
36:05sustainable and healthy?
36:06Well, one thing that I believe,
36:09and the data from the first quarter of this year
36:14is that the government
36:16has made a self-adjustment.
36:19The unfortunate thing is that,
36:21apparently,
36:22that adjustment has been made
36:24mainly because of capital spending.
36:26But the government,
36:27in fact,
36:28trying to align itself with the proposed…
36:30That is to say,
36:31there is no money for construction.
36:32There is.
36:33The only thing that,
36:34in fact,
36:35there is a problem that could also be
36:37of management,
36:39and that is a serious problem
36:41at the level of the Dominican State,
36:42which is a topic that sometimes
36:43we don't pay much attention to,
36:45is that we have a lot of deficiencies
36:48in the management issues.
36:49The government, in fact,
36:50has opened several large investment projects right now
36:53that are moving very slowly,
36:56very…
36:57So it is not a problem,
36:59perhaps,
37:00so much of the availability of resources,
37:03but as management.
37:04But,
37:05in the line of the question
37:08that it is raising,
37:10we have a state
37:12that has a very rigid primary current spending.
37:16There is no…
37:17To reduce that level of spending,
37:20you have to take very drastic measures.
37:23That have a political impact.
37:25If I say that doing it
37:26in a very drastic and radical way,
37:28which was one of the intentions
37:29that the government had
37:30in its reform proposal,
37:32is not correct,
37:35because we,
37:36I say,
37:37have to maintain stability.
37:38So,
37:39what has been proposed?
37:42I,
37:43as I said just now,
37:44do not see that a fiscal crisis is imminent.
37:48Now,
37:49it is not sustainable
37:50in the medium and long term,
37:52because the weight…
37:53When we say medium,
37:54how many years are we talking about?
37:55Four or five years.
37:57For example,
37:58if everything continues as it goes,
38:00it is possible that by 2026,
38:04the deficit,
38:05that is,
38:06the need for government financing,
38:07is around 4% of GDP.
38:10And what would that mean?
38:11What is spent in education.
38:12Exactly.
38:13Why?
38:14Because,
38:15if I can't adjust
38:18the primary current spending,
38:20or at least,
38:21not reduce it,
38:23but maintain it,
38:24put it and say,
38:25let's trust it,
38:26which is what they are trying to do
38:28by applying the law of fiscal responsibility,
38:30of more or less 3% of GDP,
38:33of inflation,
38:35to increase spending,
38:36the government did it for this year,
38:38and they did it
38:39through spending capital.
38:41So,
38:42what should be done?
38:43To do it by putting a stop
38:46to the current spending,
38:48so that you can increase
38:49the spending of capital,
38:50which is what produces
38:52a multiplying effect
38:53in the economy,
38:55and that could generate
38:56a higher income
38:57in fiscal terms,
38:59and then you reduce
39:01your debt levels.
39:02Now,
39:03what happens?
39:04But that dynamic
39:05is healthy,
39:06and maybe then
39:07the current spending
39:09may not have to be so much
39:11if the capital rises,
39:12because there would be...
39:13But,
39:14for the capital to rise,
39:15you have to control the current,
39:16or increase the income.
39:17Exactly.
39:18Or increase the income.
39:19So,
39:20for us,
39:21we have a tax system,
39:22which is another issue
39:23that we sometimes forget.
39:24We have a tax system
39:26that in formal terms
39:27is 24% of GDP.
39:29In formal terms.
39:30Now, what happens?
39:31I have 40% or so
39:32of the GDP,
39:34I have 60% of the tax
39:36on income,
39:37I have another 4%
39:39of tax exemptions
39:40and exemptions.
39:41So,
39:42when I add that up,
39:43that gives me 10% or 11%
39:44of the GDP.
39:45Plus the 13% I have,
39:46that's 24%.
39:48So,
39:49I have to adjust.
39:50The issue of exemptions
39:52and exemptions,
39:53I have to adjust them.
39:54Now,
39:55I can't do it
39:56all at once,
39:57overnight.
39:58All the exemptions
39:59were eliminated.
40:00This is absurd.
40:01It's nonsense.
40:02I have to face
40:03and I have two levels
40:04there.
40:05The evasion,
40:06which is a level
40:07that easily reaches
40:085% or 6% of GDP
40:09in terms of
40:10real issues.
40:11So,
40:12I can adjust
40:131% or 1.5%
40:14of the GDP
40:15by attacking
40:16those areas.
40:17But,
40:18that's not politically
40:19correct.
40:20So,
40:21for example,
40:22I...
40:23What do you mean
40:24not?
40:25Do you think
40:26it collides with politics?
40:27Well,
40:28the issue of
40:29the clientele scheme,
40:30I can get
40:311,500 million
40:32dollars
40:33of pesos
40:34and distribute
40:35it with love.
40:36With that,
40:37I can build
40:383,000 or 4,000
40:39houses
40:40for people
40:41who live there.
40:42There comes
40:43a love.
40:44Well,
40:45that's what
40:46I'm telling you.
40:47These are the issues
40:48that the political
40:49class of the country,
40:50thinking with
40:51a strategic vision,
40:52must start
40:53to correct.
40:54Because,
40:55these are issues
40:56that shoot
40:57money at you.
40:58Well,
40:59since you don't
41:00pay it,
41:01if we pay taxes,
41:02then,
41:03sometimes,
41:04it hurts us.
41:05But,
41:06we have to do
41:07a better management
41:08of public resources.
41:09There's still
41:10a lot of space here,
41:11despite the improvement
41:12we've had.
41:13There's a lot of space
41:14to continue
41:15improving the management
41:16of public resources,
41:17because that's what
41:18will guarantee
41:19that I can
41:20limit the levels
41:21of taxation
41:22and the burden
41:23that that has
41:24on the budget.
41:25Mr. Sosuarez,
41:26I'm sorry
41:27we don't have
41:28more time,
41:29but I thank you
41:30for being here
41:31and I hope
41:32that those of you
41:33who aren't economists
41:34understand.
41:35We'll see you soon.
41:36Thank you very much.
41:37Thank you, Mr. Nelson.
41:38We're going to commercialize
41:39in the next segment.
41:40We're going to talk
41:41with the Vice President
41:42of the Dominican Republic
41:43Audit Institute
41:44about an important
41:45event that's going
41:46to be held
41:47in the country.
41:48In the final stretch
41:49of telematutino 11,
41:50we're honored
41:51with his participation,
41:52Mr. Fabio Rosario.
41:53He's the Vice President
41:54of the Dominican Republic
41:55Audit Institute.
41:56He's the Vice President
41:57of the Dominican Republic
41:58Audit Institute.
41:59He's the Vice President
42:00of the Dominican Republic
42:01Audit Institute.
42:02He's the King of the
42:03Dominican Republic.
42:04The Dominican Republic
42:05isn't one of
42:14the most well-known
42:16companies.
42:17The Dominican Republic
42:18isn't one of the official
42:19companies in the
42:20Dominican Republic
42:22but it is
42:23a very,
42:24very important
42:25company.
42:26And when I said
42:27La principal importancia es que es un elemento que trata de evitar los fraudes.
42:34El objetivo fundamental es evitar los fraudes en las instituciones tanto públicas como privadas.
42:40Y es el asesor número uno de las instituciones y de las empresas,
42:45porque les enseñamos cómo hacer la cosa mejor, si la están haciendo bien,
42:50y si no la están haciendo bien, cómo hacerla bien.
42:53¿Ustedes siempre encuentran algo mal o algo que hay que mejorar?
42:57Nada es perfecto, siempre hay algo.
43:00Si no está ese valor agregado, la auditoría no tiene sentido.
43:03Ese es el aporte.
43:05Entonces, vamos al evento, al Congreso Regional de Auditoría.
43:09Ese es el XXIII Congreso Regional de Auditoría Interna, Control de Gestión y Finanza.
43:15Y el lema principal es auditoría interna,
43:19las nuevas normas en un mundo de transformación.
43:23Lo que quiere decir que en este evento, que tiene características regionales y calidad mundial,
43:29vamos a estar hablando de las nuevas normas que recientemente entraron en vigencia en el mes de enero de este año,
43:35es decir, que están nueve citas, y vamos a hablar de inteligencia artificial.
43:39En este evento les vamos a enseñar a los auditores y a los participantes,
43:43pueden participar interesados en el sentido general,
43:47a cómo pasar de observador a actor en lo que es la inteligencia artificial.
43:51Vamos a enseñarles esto. Tenemos un experto, o varios expertos,
43:55pero especialmente un experto que va a tratar esto.
43:58Ahí va a haber una sección en vivo de enseñarles a los participantes,
44:03sobre todo a los auditores internos y a los relacionados,
44:06cómo pasar de ser un observador simplemente de la inteligencia artificial
44:10a actor de la inteligencia artificial, sobre todo en el área de la teoría interna.
44:15Es un evento que tiene invitados internacionales, de mucho prestigio, y nacionales también.
44:21Ahí vamos a contar con el loco de la paz, el señor Juan Bautista Segóns, un argentino.
44:28¿Y por qué le llama?
44:30Le llama el loco de la paz porque se atrevió a hacer un juego de fútbol
44:34en pro de la paz en Medio Oriente, en Palestina, básicamente,
44:39y por esa actitud y por su defensa a la paz, le llaman el loco de la paz.
44:44Es un speaker internacional, un motivador, extraordinario,
44:47lo trajimos aquí hace varios años, eso fue un escándalo, y por eso volvemos a repetirlo.
44:51Pero él es auditor.
44:53Él no es auditor, es un speaker internacional con conocimiento,
44:56lógicamente, de todo eso y de las áreas sociológicas y económicas también,
45:01pero es un experto, es un motivador.
45:03Y allí va a haber un crecimiento personal de los participantes porque es extraordinario.
45:09Es decir, es un con todo.
45:10Sí, sí, sí.
45:11Para hacer mejor lo que se está haciendo bien.
45:13Él tuvo el reconocimiento del Papa Benedito XIV por esa actitud de él, por ese acto.
45:20Lo invitó y le hizo una especie de reconocimiento.
45:24¿Cuándo va a celebrarse el congreso y quiénes pueden participar y cómo hacer para inscribirse?
45:29El congreso es del 19 al 22 de junio, en la semana que toca Corpus Christi.
45:36Pueden participar todos los auditores internos y relacionados también a la auditoría.
45:40Tenemos abogados que son auditores, que practican auditoría.
45:45Ingeniero también.
45:47Todas esas personas que practican auditoría, que de hecho son miembros de nuestro
45:51Instituto de Auditores Internos de la República Dominicana.
45:53Y el público general interesado puede participar y debe participar.
45:57Exhortamos sobre todo a las empresas y a las instituciones gubernamentales
46:00a que patrocinen a sus auditores internos y las áreas relacionadas a este evento
46:06porque allí se van a actualizar, van a aprender y eso va a ayudar a la calidad
46:12y al objetivo que es lograr auditoría en las instituciones tanto públicas como privadas.
46:18Es importante que tengan consciencia de eso y que patrocinen porque el evento es costoso
46:23por la calidad internacional que tiene.
46:25Por eso veo que tienen ofertas de habitaciones.
46:27Sí, tenemos, por ejemplo, en habitaciones sencillas son 2,100 dólares,
46:30habitaciones dobles, 1,950 y habitaciones triples, 1,900.
46:35¿En dónde será realizado?
46:37Para registrarse...
46:39Digo, ¿en dónde será realizado?
46:41Ah, en Punta Cana.
46:42¿En Punta Cana?
46:43En Light Aqua, un hotel moderno, nuevo, confortable, salientes habitaciones,
46:49extraordinario el hotel, es de recién inauguración.
46:52Y para la fina de inscribirse pueden llamar al 809-541-1661
47:00o escribir el e-mail
47:04educacioncontinuada-iaird.org.de
47:11Esa es nuestra dirección electrónica.
47:13Es muy valiante.
47:14Educación Continuada IA de Institutos Auditores de la República Dominicana.
47:17Sí, IAIRD, o sea la sigla, .org.de.
47:22Exacto, IAIRD.
47:23Es, como le dije, un evento de característica internacional y regional.
47:28Ahí vamos a tener, pues, grandes depositores también de República Dominicana.
47:32Ahí estará compartiendo Federico Muller, que es un experto en asunto de
47:37inteligencia artificial, que es quien va a hacer las presentaciones.
47:41Vamos a tener ahí a Guido Gómez-Mazara, que va a hablar de la ciberseguridad.
47:45A Ariel Jiménez.
47:47Vamos a tener al periodista...
47:53Bueno, uno de los grandes periodistas de aquí,
47:56que va a estar con nosotros también.
47:58Y hablando de ética, sobre todo.
48:00Y grandes expositores nacionales e internacionales.
48:04Mucha expectativa.
48:06Dice, será un evento inolvidable.
48:08Así es, así es.
48:09Muchísimas gracias al licenciado Fabio Rosario, vicepresidente del
48:12Instituto de Auditores Internos de la República Dominicana.
48:14De la República Dominicana.
48:16Sí, gracias.
48:17Muchísimas gracias.
48:18Sí, gracias a ustedes por la oportunidad.
48:20Y que Dios los siga bendiciendo.
48:22Amén.
48:23Gracias a todo el que te ha interesado en la auditoría.
48:25Con esto nos despedimos.
48:27Culminamos nuestra labor ya mitad de semana.
48:30Qué rápido se fue.
48:31Bueno, señores, gracias por la sintonía.
48:33Continúen con Telesistema Canal 11.
48:35Nos vemos mañana jueves.
48:36Dios mediante.
48:37Hasta entonces.