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  • 5/20/2025
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00:00I'm going to be back in just a moment, but first, I want to say thank you to all of you
00:28for joining us on TeleSistema Channel 11 and our YouTube channel, Telematutino11RN.
00:32Good morning everyone, happy Tuesday, and good morning to Jacqueline Morel.
00:35Hello Ramon, good morning, good morning Dominican Republic.
00:38Welcome to Telematutino 11 on this Tuesday, May 20th.
00:41It's almost the month of May, but here we are on this Tuesday with a lot of information to tell you and share with all of you.
00:48In addition to our comments, as always, on Tuesdays, from Santiago, Dr. Luz Rosa Estrella
00:53brings us her segment on psychology with advice dedicated to the family.
00:57And today we will have the participation of Mr. Félix Michel Rodríguez.
01:02He is a deputy from the province of Santiago of the Pueblo Fuerza Party.
01:06So we invite you to be with us this morning on the program. Welcome.
01:11Santiago is beating on Telematutino today with two figures from Santiago.
01:15Well, some people have found the subject of the mayor of Santiago, Rivero, as a ring finger.
01:24I think we saw that last week.
01:27It is good to point out, for those who have a bad memory, that as a result of the president giving the speech of the 15 points
01:34that Sunday, the other day in Friusa, he met with the mayors on Monday or Tuesday,
01:41precisely to discuss the Haitian issue.
01:45And what did he tell the mayors?
01:47That they should collaborate with migration.
01:50Rivero, as indicated, is not deporting anyone, because Minister Farideh wanted to disauthorize it.
02:01He is simply acting as a municipality should act.
02:05He says, I cannot guarantee cleanliness, order and security with this issue of so many Haitians in Dajabón.
02:15Furthermore, as mayor, he can allow teenagers and adults to sleep in a park, urinating, defecating,
02:25and who knows, maybe he is prostituting himself.
02:28He did the right thing by taking them out of the park.
02:31So, hopefully, all mayors will act like Santiago Rivero.
02:38Ramon, the issue is not the background, it is the form.
02:42It is good that mayors have a responsibility.
02:45And they should watch out for cleanliness, for order, because the laws are followed,
02:51and advocate for that, for protecting their citizens.
02:54But the form, maybe, that he is using, should not be offensive.
03:00And the fact that he took out children and grabbed them by a t-shirt and took them away,
03:06to me, it seems a bit aggressive and disrespectful of human rights, of the dignity of the person.
03:14If they were children, if they were teenagers, he should have called Immigration and maybe Conani,
03:19to intervene in the issue that also Conani's management has reproached in the performance of Mayor Rivero.
03:27The intentions are good, but we have to watch out for the forms.
03:30I think that the responsibility of mayors should be present, because that is what the president called for.
03:35But respecting the law, not being accomplices, because many mayors are also accomplices, Ramon,
03:41that they are undocumented and participate.
03:45There is a mayor of PRM who was caught with a book of birth certificates.
03:51Imagine that.
03:52That was bought by an official of the police, and he was using it for what? To falsify.
03:59So there has to be commitment.
04:02Those mayors have to commit to doing things right, but not to do it carefully.
04:09But of course, the problem is that there must be immigration agents to avoid that situation,
04:14because we cannot allow it.
04:16Can you imagine that they take the Altar of the Fatherland and the Haitians occupy it?
04:21I say, this is not going to happen because immigration will act immediately.
04:25But if we don't take care of it, they won't take it.
04:28In fact, there are a number of irresponsible mayors who are even accomplices of the Haitians,
04:34depredating our parks, our protected areas, our areas of influence of the dams,
04:41and they do absolutely nothing.
04:43And they hire them.
04:44On the contrary, they hire them and they are accomplices in the whole process of burning coal and transporting coal to Haiti.
04:55I prefer that they shake hands a little bit, like Santiago Riveron,
05:00and not that they act lightly and as accomplices in a situation where the problem is that the country has already acquired consciousness.
05:12A few years ago, the pro-Haitians dominated the media, and we were two cats when we talked about this.
05:23Now, the country has consciousness.
05:26Think about how there is an old Dominican order with a 28-year-old boy who mobilizes thousands
05:32because the country already has consciousness.
05:34The majority has consciousness.
05:36I see it when I make a comment.
05:38I don't see a single negative comment referring to when I deal with the Haitian issue.
05:45On the contrary, they congratulate me because the country is empowered by the danger that this illegal migration means.
05:56There are no consequences, Ramón.
05:58Look, the situation is global.
06:01Don't just believe that it is here that we have these differences, that we have this invasion.
06:09We are more in danger because we are an island,
06:12and an island of a third world country that cannot assume in any way what happens on the other side of the island,
06:18which is a different country.
06:20But look at how at the Baraja airport in Spain, the doors were closed so that those who are walking around,
06:26those who do not have a house or those who want to stay at the airport, invade.
06:31And you can't allow that kind of thing.
06:34The doors are already closing, and you know the wave of protests.
06:37It's global.
06:38I don't know.
06:39We have to regulate that.
06:40Last week, 32 people were deported to Chile, including Dominicans.
06:45Chile is a huge country with millions of people.
06:50Can a migration of a million people be tolerated?
06:53In the United States, 10 million people in 300 million, that's nothing.
06:58But we are 10 million, badly counted.
07:02We can't have 3, 4, 5 million Haitians.
07:05Well, Ramón, look, when the last government of the Chilean president, Bachelet,
07:09she allowed about 300,000 Haitians to enter.
07:12And there are still sectors that complain about why she made that agreement.
07:16But the truth is that immigration is inevitable in all countries of the world.
07:22What needs to be done is to regularize it and make it according to the migratory laws of each country in question.
07:30And that these citizens, regardless of their legal status,
07:35be respectful of the laws and norms of the country to which they try to belong.
07:41Unfortunately, in most countries, that workforce is necessary.
07:45For example, if Trump deported the 10 million illegals,
07:50there would be, and there is already a problem in construction,
07:53and there is already a problem in agricultural plantations.
07:57It seems to me that it would happen in the Dominican Republic.
08:00So that's what needs to be regulated,
08:03create some order so that the country can't have an open border,
08:08and enter a situation where those who care about the human rights of Haitians
08:14should be concerned about the 5,000 Haitians who have been massacred this year,
08:19and the state of violence and terrorism and violations.
08:23Or, for example, as I just saw on social media,
08:28a normal vehicle that had 20 Haitians inside.
08:32Can you imagine a human being putting 20 Haitians in a vehicle?
08:36In the trunk there were about 7 or 8.
08:39That would be a violation of human rights, of trafficking.
08:44That's a very difficult situation.
08:46That's why all of us, let's see, and those who review the points that the president wants to attack,
08:53this issue transcends the Dominican border.
08:57You travel outside the country and tell people, even the taxi drivers,
09:01well, you have a serious problem with the Haitians,
09:04because they know that this is going to be a peaceful invasion to any country in the world.
09:08It creates a problem for them, of all kinds.
09:12In addition to the economic, education, health, sovereignty, respect for the laws,
09:19it creates a situation that is difficult to manage.
09:22Therefore, we bet that what has been done so far,
09:27and now more with the collaboration, with the ideas,
09:30with the ideas of each of the thinking heads and the accumulated experiences
09:35of the former presidents of the republic, who are currently alive,
09:39with President Abinader.
09:41I hope that good things come out of this, Ramon,
09:44and that they all find one another.
09:46What is the country-state policy that we have in the face of this issue?
09:50By the way, today delegates from President Abinader and the 13 presidents are going to meet
09:56to discuss the agenda that they are going to take to the Economic and Social Council.
10:02And one of the points, logically, that interests entrepreneurs is the issue of regularization.
10:08And that can't be.
10:10Regularization is a matter of law.
10:13The immigration law does not contemplate regularization.
10:16And that is why the government of Daniel Medina had to pass a law,
10:20the 169-14.
10:22But when you start a program of regularization, you have to stop the deportations.
10:27And then, because that happened in 2014, because in 2014 in Haiti,
10:32the gangs were not as they are now.
10:36The level of deterioration was not as great as it is now.
10:39There was still a government.
10:41I think in 2014 it was the musician.
10:43What was his name?
10:45Martelly.
10:46Martelly.
10:48There was a president, and there was police,
10:51and there was a certain order in Haiti that does not exist now.
10:55Haiti is a fiction as a state.
10:58The good thing, Ramon, was a positive point in favor of the Dominican Republic
11:03and the understanding of our reality as a country.
11:05The North American Secretary of State, Marcos Rubio,
11:09who has referred to the subject,
11:11and President Abinader had the opportunity to talk a few days ago in Washington,
11:18President Abinader said that Rubio is concerned about the situation and that he knows it well.
11:26And that, well, the president says that the United States would be advancing towards the pacification of the country,
11:34which we do not see how, right?
11:36We have not seen until now that this materializes precisely in the gang brake,
11:42which dominates a large part of the territory and that has that over the population
11:46and that has sunk even more the situation of the country in the whole sense of the word,
11:51of security, well, of everything.
11:54And there I stop.
11:55I hope it worries Trump.
11:57I think Trump does not care, because, for example,
11:59if the United States complains to the Kenyan troops that they do not have air support,
12:04the United States could provide support with drones,
12:07because if the United States located Bin Laden and killed him,
12:13or even Adam Hussein, do not forget.
12:15Exactly.
12:16And they are not going to barbecue.
12:18If they wanted, yes.
12:19If they wanted, yes.
12:20That is, the North Americans, without having to send soldiers to Haiti,
12:25can send mercenaries.
12:27There are mercenary companies that the United States has hired,
12:30and provide logistical support to end the gangs,
12:35which is the main step to think of a country that can make elections.
12:41How to make elections in the coming year?
12:43Free and transparent.
12:44How?
12:45The gang members will not allow people to vote, as simple as that.
12:50On the other hand, what one always says,
12:54the medical school made a three-day strike.
12:57It was going to be a march, it was going to be new strikes.
13:00Fortunately, the Minister of Health and the Director of the National Health Service
13:05met with them and agreed to sit down to dialogue
13:09on the issue of why there were canceled doctors.
13:13They ask for more, they ask for an increase in pensions for doctors,
13:18that can be discussed.
13:19I don't know if the budget is enough for more.
13:22This budget can be extended even more.
13:24They want more equipment for hospitals.
13:27That's what everyone would like.
13:29But that there is dialogue, not that it affects the poor,
13:34denying them medical attention.
13:37That should not be.
13:42Well, it seems that the Dominican Medical School,
13:44the Ministry of Public Health and the National Health Service
13:48talked and agreed.
13:51What is important is that this dialogue and communication is maintained.
13:55Because when there is a crisis and the medical school does not feel heard,
14:00obviously they, as guilds, only want to defend,
14:04and that is what bothers me in a way, the economic issue,
14:07that they have canceled doctors because they were in different places.
14:11That is the explanation that is given.
14:13And you know that, as you said,
14:15a being cannot occupy two places in space.
14:18It cannot be that at the same time you are in several locations.
14:21That is impossible.
14:22I cannot be here now and be in a company at the same time,
14:26but in another company at the same time.
14:29We will have to see, Ramón.
14:31From all this, listen to the medical school
14:34and see what the coincident points are
14:36and what they are going to do so that public health
14:40is better in the Dominican Republic.
14:42That is the main objective.
14:44There are statistics of the few hours that some doctors work,
14:49because there are others who do not.
14:51There are others who fail.
14:52Because they are also talking about the agreed incentives
14:55not being paid for months.
14:57And if an agreement was made in that sense and it is not being paid,
15:01do they have to explain to him why it is not being paid?
15:04That is a compromise.
15:05That has already been agreed.
15:06But all that can be dialogued without the need to deny it.
15:10I saw the reports in the newspapers of people who said,
15:13I came from such and such a place, I had to pay so much.
15:17When I come here, they deny me.
15:19Who do they affect here?
15:21It is the poor.
15:22The one who has his medical insurance is not going to a public hospital,
15:29he is going to a clinic, he is going to one of his specialists.
15:32We can't keep giving the poor people what they need,
15:36which is enough.
15:38On the other hand,
15:40I read in the newspaper that there is no waste of research.
15:46Gentlemen, in this country there are 3,587,028 engines.
15:53Look at this picture.
15:55I see that on the roads.
15:57According to Interam.
15:58With a lot of frequency of the guys who lie on the engine and do that kind of thing.
16:04But it turns out that according to Interam, there are only 10,827 licenses.
16:11So there are 3.8 million engines and 10,000 licenses.
16:16It can be said that all drivers, including Haitians, lack a license.
16:23Now we have to see Ramon too,
16:26who has a license to drive another category that is not engine.
16:30It is not valid.
16:31It is not valid.
16:32Well, the truth is that look at this picture we showed a moment ago.
16:36The engines don't have mirrors.
16:39Look at it there.
16:40They don't have lights.
16:41They don't have lights.
16:42They don't have helmets.
16:43They don't have plates.
16:44Look at it there.
16:45So that is what should not be allowed.
16:47And as long as the authorities continue to allow this state of situation,
16:51obviously there will be more and more motorists, more accidents.
16:54They are responsible for more than 80% of the accidents that occur in the Dominican Republic
16:59and more than 90% of those who are mortals.
17:02So we are very benign with the fines that are applied to motorists.
17:07Yes, it is applied.
17:08Yes, it is applied.
17:09Generally for the use of the helmet.
17:11And that is not even respected.
17:13But it is not respected because the authorities are weak in that sense.
17:17If they really wanted, for the vehicles that do not comply,
17:23be it the engines, the motorcycles or others that do not comply with the requirements to be able to move around,
17:30if they prevented that movement and put a fine on them,
17:34as is done in all the countries of the world,
17:36that would be less.
17:38And the casuistics would be less.
17:40The accident statistics would be less.
17:42And obviously, Ramón, I don't understand how...
17:44Look, if they are arrested for the use of the helmet,
17:49they are asked for that if they have the document, if they have the license.
17:53And the insurance.
17:54And the insurance.
17:55Because they must have insurance.
17:57When the drivers are arrested...
17:59Oh, they don't even ask for the birth certificate.
18:01Exactly.
18:02The papers, you don't know what the insurance is.
18:05And it's also the license.
18:07They don't stop us.
18:09And the cedula.
18:10And the one who lacks the papers, they put a fine on him.
18:14But the drivers, apparently, if that figure, I'm not going to doubt that figure,
18:20if it's true, that reveals a state of disorder and noncompliance.
18:26On the other hand, in Dajabón, there was an incident that...
18:29Hey, in Loma de Cabrera.
18:31Loma de Cabrera.
18:32Listen.
18:33That should not be de-sensitized.
18:35The fact that some individuals reach a point of drug,
18:39which for the rest, the authorities don't know so much about drugs,
18:42and they get shot and kill five.
18:44Those five, some were buyers.
18:46But others were...
18:48Three Dominicans and two Haitians died.
18:50Mexico started like that, huh?
18:53That's how Mexico started when it was small.
18:56The narco killing, killing each other.
18:59That's the kind of thing you have to face.
19:02Because on top of the disgrace of drugs,
19:04you have violence for drugs.
19:08Mexico is every day, and they kill journalists,
19:12and they kill politicians, and they kill mayors.
19:14Because the crime is getting worse.
19:17That's a case that can't stay that way.
19:20Apparently, there's one that, or a supposed one,
19:23that turned himself in, that he says no, that he had nothing to do with it.
19:26He had nothing to do with it.
19:27But Ramón, since the killing of Paya, do you remember?
19:29That was several years ago.
19:30I didn't see...
19:31That he stayed like that.
19:32No.
19:33He's arrested.
19:34Yes.
19:35He's arrested.
19:36And I didn't see a case...
19:38He's 23 years old.
19:39...of five people, of one gunshot,
19:42dead in a drug point.
19:44This must be investigated until the last consequences.
19:47I hope they give it to those responsible.
19:50Because that was to knock down the point there.
19:52Yes.
19:53And hurt him.
19:54So, we don't know.
19:56You say that some were in the quality of customers, of buyers.
20:00But from what is said about each one of them,
20:03it seems that they were also involved.
20:05Well, because the buyer is not a saint.
20:08The buyer...
20:09Maybe he's an addict.
20:11It is assumed that a guy may have a criminal record.
20:15But anyway, there were five human beings who were shot.
20:19And that, this society cannot tolerate.
20:22Finally, I'm going with two good news.
20:25Good.
20:26Good news.
20:27Yes.
20:28In Europe, unlike the United States,
20:30there are many financial institutions
20:33that look in developing countries,
20:37or in medium-term development like us,
20:39for ways to provide financial resources.
20:42This is the case of an entity called
20:44Belgian Company for Developing Countries,
20:47which the first financing in the Dominican Republic
20:51was made to the Multiplademy Bank
20:54of 15 million dollars,
20:56exclusively for loans to micro-businesses.
21:01Micro, the little ones.
21:03Loans of 5,000, 10,000, 15,000,
21:06so 15 million dollars is a lot.
21:10In ADEMI, as of this year,
21:13I feel very honored,
21:15I am part of the Board of Directors,
21:17we have achieved six international financing
21:20for micro-businesses, for small businesses.
21:22These are loans that do not even have exchange risk
21:26and that allow micro-businesses to access
21:29a more favorable rate.
21:32And on the other hand, our friends at APAP
21:35report that they have allocated
21:37up to now 117 million
21:40to social impact projects.
21:43For example, 37 million pesos
21:46to institutions like EDUCA,
21:48Centro Educativo Fe y Alegría,
21:50Fundación Madre y Maestra,
21:52those that have to do with education.
21:55And 27 million pesos
21:57allocated to labor insertion projects,
22:00such as the Entrepreneurship Initiative for Technical Education,
22:03to the Mayor of the National Institute,
22:0526 million for projects related to
22:07the preservation of the environment,
22:09in coordination with the Botanical Garden of Santiago
22:13and the National Network of Entrepreneurship Support
22:15for Environmental Protection,
22:16and then a number of institutions
22:18such as the Rehabilitation Association,
22:22Fundación Dominicano de Ciego, etc.
22:25It is important that institutions
22:27have social responsibility
22:29and that they contribute what they earn
22:31and return it to society.
22:33We are going to commercials.
22:35Today, as it is Tuesday,
22:36we have the segment of Dr. Luz Rosa Estrella
22:40and immediately we have
22:42MP Félix Michel from Santiago.
22:47So, from the strength of the people.
22:52Dr. Luz Rosa Estrella
22:55MP Félix Michel
23:00The telematutino interview
23:02where we have important people
23:03to discuss important issues.
23:04We are joined by Mr. Félix Michel Rodríguez.
23:06He is a deputy for the province of Santiago
23:09by the strength of the people.
23:10He is a lawyer.
23:11He is a specialist in political science
23:13and in corporate and commercial law.
23:17Good morning, Félix.
23:18Good morning.
23:19We are premiered on the program.
23:21Good morning.
23:22Good morning.
23:23I was here before.
23:24Yes, of course.
23:26My memory, my memory.
23:29Félix, there is an important issue.
23:31The meeting that took place
23:33between the presidents
23:35and we see that today
23:37delegates from each of them
23:39are going to meet to define
23:41the agenda that will be taken
23:42to the Economic and Social Council,
23:44but also to define
23:46possible bilateral meetings
23:48that the president will hold
23:50with each of the vice presidents.
23:52How do you, legislators and the party,
23:54receive that meeting
23:56and what it looks like
23:58that may come from now on?
24:00Well, the strength of the people
24:01set their position
24:02and President Fernández attended.
24:03And we are going to say,
24:04here I am,
24:05and then the technicians
24:06of the strength of the people
24:07are also there
24:08and they will go to the subsequent meetings.
24:09That is in development.
24:11Particularly,
24:12I have no expectations
24:13about that.
24:14None.
24:15For me, it is an artificial fire
24:16of the government
24:17that shows its inability
24:18to handle the public issues,
24:19the economic issues
24:20and it simply creates
24:21this smoke screen
24:22in the face of a problem
24:23that evidently
24:24failed in its handling.
24:25It went out of hand,
24:26it exploded out of hand.
24:27The problem is bigger
24:28than the vision
24:29of the government
24:30to handle it.
24:31But the responsibility
24:32is not only
24:33of these last four years.
24:34Also the PLD
24:35and the PRD
24:36at the time,
24:37because the three parties
24:38are there,
24:39had a large amount
24:40of responsibility
24:41in the state of the situation
24:42in which
24:43the situation
24:44is now.
24:45And that is
24:46because
24:47there has not been
24:48a state policy
24:49nor has there been
24:50continuity
24:51to what was agreed
24:52at one time.
24:53So,
24:54the responsibility
24:55is shared.
24:56The thing is
24:57that we can't
24:58spend our lives
24:59looking for a justification
25:00that someone else
25:01didn't do
25:02what I have to do
25:03now,
25:04when I said
25:05that I was going
25:06to do it now.
25:07But a state policy,
25:08which is what
25:09we are looking for
25:10with this issue,
25:11is a responsibility
25:12of the parties
25:13and of what
25:14is understood
25:15by the people
25:16of the state.
25:17And the PRD,
25:18despite the redundancy,
25:19has changed
25:20the meaning
25:21of the word
25:22change.
25:23People understand
25:24that the word
25:25change
25:26is synonymous
25:27with retrogression,
25:28with inappropriate
25:29public policies,
25:30with frustration,
25:31with scarcity.
25:32They have changed
25:33the meaning.
25:34And you are not
25:35being very political
25:36with that statement.
25:37Let me tell you.
25:38On the other hand,
25:39the migratory issue,
25:40I include this government
25:41and to please you,
25:42previous governments,
25:43have not handled it
25:44with the genesis
25:45of the problem.
25:46The Haitian problem
25:47is an economic problem.
25:48And why don't they
25:49make this approach
25:50and you propose
25:51solutions?
25:52So, look,
25:53far from the prejudices
25:54that you may have,
25:55me or you,
25:56against the Haitian people
25:57and them against us,
25:58and without hypocrisy,
25:59which sometimes
26:00we deal with the issue,
26:01because there is hypocrisy
26:02and prejudices,
26:03because there are people
26:04who have a Haitian
26:05from Jarrinero
26:06and that does not bother them,
26:07but the other Haitian
26:08bothers them.
26:09And vice versa,
26:10the one who has a farm
26:11bothers the Haitians,
26:12but not those
26:13who have a farm.
26:14And so the hoteliers,
26:15the constructors.
26:16It is an issue there
26:17that is handled
26:18with prejudice.
26:19Outside of that,
26:20the issue is merely
26:21economic,
26:22as it happens
26:23all over the planet,
26:24because that is not
26:25an issue for us.
26:26On all the borders
26:27where there is
26:28a richer country,
26:29the others go.
26:30That is universal.
26:31And then,
26:32why do they come here?
26:33For an aspect
26:34of a better salary,
26:35a better quality of life,
26:36it is economic.
26:37Why do the businessmen
26:38welcome them?
26:39For an economic issue,
26:40they work on the farm,
26:41the production,
26:42the transportation.
26:43Why do we
26:44complain about the Haitians?
26:45Because they consume
26:46the budget of the hospitals.
26:47Wherever you
26:48put it,
26:49here in this country
26:50and in all the countries
26:51of the world,
26:52the issue of migration
26:53is economic.
26:54And so we go
26:55for the emotions,
26:56for the prejudices,
26:57for the politics.
26:58And so there,
26:59you don't get anywhere.
27:00I see well
27:01that the Economic
27:02and Social Council
27:03is convened,
27:04because there, yes,
27:05because there are represented
27:06the economic and social sectors.
27:07So let's see,
27:08hopefully from there
27:09adequate economic
27:10and social approaches
27:11to address this issue
27:12and put it on the agenda.
27:13What it is,
27:14is that the government
27:15has shown its inefficiency,
27:16its lack of vision,
27:17its lack of management.
27:18And that is evident.
27:19And so,
27:20it has that backstab
27:21of the opposition
27:22and we wish them
27:23good luck,
27:24that they do well there.
27:25But you share
27:26the criteria of,
27:27for example,
27:28of Dr. Radamés Segura,
27:29an important leader,
27:30Radamés Jiménez,
27:31an important leader
27:32at the door of the people
27:33who says that
27:34in that meeting
27:35of the Economic
27:36and Social Council
27:37we have to include
27:38other issues,
27:39issues that are old
27:40and that still persist.
27:41Do you think that
27:42that should be only
27:43for the Haitian issue,
27:44which is the one
27:45that should be defined,
27:46and the other issues
27:47that are discussed later?
27:48But if it is contaminated
27:49with more issues,
27:50where will we get?
27:51Yes, I agree with you.
27:52The Haitian issue,
27:53which is an economic
27:54issue, as I said,
27:55and social,
27:56and then they focus
27:57on that.
27:58Hopefully then
27:59they look for
28:00adequate measures
28:01with the economic sectors
28:02on the side,
28:03which are what
28:04they require.
28:05You can't have a wall
28:06when, no matter
28:07the size of the wall,
28:08the Haitian is going to come here
28:09and he is asking for it
28:10and he is not going to
28:11look for it by chance.
28:12So you can't talk
28:13about a wall
28:14or fifteen measures
28:15when the reality
28:16surpasses the fiction
28:17that you have in your mind.
28:18It is a market that exists
28:19and then,
28:20to this market that exists,
28:21there is a parallel
28:22mafia market
28:23that is infinite.
28:24The government
28:25returns it
28:26and then the market
28:27brings it.
28:28And the more
28:29bullying there is,
28:30the higher the cost.
28:31And then,
28:32it is a market,
28:33you see,
28:34like Instagram,
28:35it is infinite.
28:36You see,
28:38it is infinite.
28:39The error does not stop.
28:40I mean,
28:41it can last 24 hours
28:42and there will always be
28:43a material.
28:44That market is like that.
28:45It does not stop
28:46because of the economic issue.
28:47And the part
28:48of the entrepreneurs
28:49who propose
28:50a new regularization?
28:51They have to be open
28:52to everything.
28:53Of course,
28:54I agree too.
28:55A regularization?
28:56Yes, yes, yes,
28:57because that's where
28:58the hypocrisy comes from.
28:59If there is construction
29:00and there is no one
29:01to glue the blocks,
29:02there must be someone
29:03to do it.
29:04It must be regularized.
29:05What can't be done
29:06is not being of the same kind.
29:07The clandestinity
29:08is what we are going to say
29:09is a mistake.
29:10But when we say
29:11regularization,
29:12it is understood
29:13that it is the
29:14documentation
29:15that gives it rights.
29:16Some interpret
29:17that it should not be
29:18because it would be
29:19contradictory
29:20to what exists,
29:21to the same institution.
29:22The regularization
29:23is giving it
29:24a space of residence.
29:25Regularizing
29:26is not nationalizing.
29:27But you have
29:28to have a control.
29:29There must be a control
29:30because then,
29:31if it does not have a control,
29:32what comes?
29:33The lack of control.
29:34What you have
29:35control, what you see now, the one you want, the one you want has to be open, the entrepreneurs
29:40have to say how they want it, what they want, how it works for them, how it is viable, because
29:45you have to be sincere and the problems have to be faced, we cannot face a hidden problem
29:51and as if from behind, with hypocrisy, well, they have to speak clearly and say, we need
29:57in the hotel industry so many Haitian nationals, we are going to look for the legal form, guaranteeing
30:03the dominicanity of us and their nationality, so that it works, because if you do not have
30:09transparency, you have the mafia, that is the ABC, or you as a state assume it, try to
30:16be sincere, feel everyone, everyone interested, and then you make a plan, what you said
30:22right now about the Americans with Haiti, they do nothing because there is a maximum
30:25law that says there is no action without interest, if there is no interest, there is no action,
30:29it is a maximum Roman law of yesteryear, now this has to be addressed with sincerity.
30:34If you had oil or rare earth, what a shame that it is Pedernales that has rare earth and
30:39there is no Haiti.
30:40Yes, that's how it is.
30:41No, but how good, I wish they had both, in both countries.
30:46I wish Haiti would pass the Suriname thing, it's over, for example, the Dominican Republic.
30:50It's over, the other way around, then they invest in the paper.
30:52The Dominicans are going to Haiti.
30:54As happened with Venezuela, they say there is, and now I come.
30:57Feli, Michel, your party is involved in a Congress, but the Congress is not over.
31:02Well, there was that tragedy that postponed everything, that postponed everything in the
31:06country, that changed all the agendas.
31:08Yes, but we already did a Congress with the Central Committee.
31:11You said a first part, but the electorate is what we are.
31:14Yes, yes, yes, the electorate, if Franklin Almeida is Ranciere, because we did, if
31:17Manolo Tavales-Justo speaks well, that the National Electoral Commission will put the
31:20date soon, then the election of the authorities, the members of the Central Committee, the
31:25municipal and provincial presidents of the People's Force throughout the national
31:28demarcation, and then later the political leadership, the president and the secretary
31:33general.
31:34What are the representatives of the People's Force Party doing in the Congress?
31:38For it to be a better Congress, since there are many criticisms in it.
31:43Yes, the People's Force bloc is logically the most active bloc, of course, the main
31:47bloc of the opposition, and we are always paying attention to everything that affects
31:53the interest of the Dominican Republic, in all the provinces where there is representation,
31:56and you can see that in all the videos that are made in the weekly summaries.
32:01The People's Force is active, presents projects, proposals, solutions.
32:05Logically, that many times stays in the air because they do not have a binding character,
32:11and I request to the Public Works to expand the Santiago-Licea-Cuatro Carriles road,
32:16that Leonel already made a section, and that changed the economic flow, but logically
32:19the Minister of Public Works does not pay attention to that.
32:22I would like them to expand the Santiago-Navarrete road.
32:25But that is more, because that is the one that he made, Santiago-Navarrete.
32:30Well...
32:31I mean, the section more...
32:32Ok, I understand, yes.
32:33After Villa González.
32:34Yes.
32:35Yes, yes, Villa González, yes.
32:36That is the one that goes to Salado.
32:37Yes, the north-west line, and that is a pandemonium, passing through Navarrete, look.
32:41Yes, yes, it is true.
32:42If Navarrete is removed for an alternate route, it would be a success, a circumvallation
32:46that was promised to be done.
32:47Yes, that's right.
32:48Felipe, you are president of the Cooperative Commission, and here there are cooperatives
32:53and cooperatives.
32:54I mean, the cooperatives in the sense of partners who contribute and solve their economic
33:00problems, it is a kind of like a ZAN, as it was said before.
33:04Yes.
33:05You know what a ZAN is?
33:06Yes, but of course, they still exist.
33:08I mean, but there are cooperatives that are banks, that is, they are informal financial
33:13intermediaries.
33:14And they capture.
33:15Well, there is an IDCOPRO.
33:17There is an IDCOPRO, but it does not have the, it is not compared to a bank superintendent.
33:21It is a bank, whatever.
33:22What are you doing about it?
33:23Look, this commission is new, it did not exist before.
33:25There were legislative issues of cooperativism, but a special commission was created, special
33:29commissions were created, and now the Chamber has permanently integrated a commission of
33:33cooperative issues that is making a rise.
33:35There is already a special commission.
33:37There is already a special commission.
33:39There is already a special commission.
33:41There is already a special commission.
33:43This commission that is making a rise, there is already an authority initiative to regularize
33:47this sector because as you say, the IDCOPRO has very good intentions, very good, but
33:53it does not have the technical form to supervise 2,300 cooperatives.
33:572,300.
33:582,300 cooperatives.
33:59Of savings and loans.
34:01Yes, then imagine, as the, no, of savings and loans, no.
34:03But the big ones are the ones that do more.
34:05The private.
34:06The savings and loans.
34:07Do not need more.
34:08Well, they are not the 2,300 of savings and loans.
34:09Yes.
34:10The savings and loans are the most, shall we say, vulnerable.
34:12How many are there?
34:14I think there are about 800.
34:16But I don't have the exact number.
34:18I saw the director of EDCOC who gave me the data.
34:20I even saw the data that there are 300 cooperatives
34:22that don't show up at their homes.
34:24They are in folders.
34:26They are there, people who got them,
34:28and they have them there, and no one knows with what purpose.
34:30And they are not identified.
34:32But yes, there must be a regularization.
34:34That is my understanding.
34:36It must be by matter.
34:38That is, the transport cooperatives have to be regularized.
34:40They have to be regularized.
34:42The ITRAN, for example.
34:44The agricultural cooperatives.
34:46In the technical matter, agriculture.
34:48But in the matter of their nature, EDCOC.
34:50Because EDCOC is the one that promotes cooperativism
34:52and that they don't lose their nature.
34:54Because a cooperative is not the same as a bank.
34:56The bank is pecuniary.
34:58The cooperative has a social objective.
35:00It is a group of communities.
35:02They are different things.
35:04Now, when it comes to the cooperative
35:06of Aos Recreto, there is a financial point
35:08that is equated
35:10to the management of the bank.
35:12And then comes the issue of supervision.
35:14And we particularly understand
35:16that an entity must be created in the central bank
35:18that manages this economic issue
35:20so that it supervises specifically
35:22and technically in the financial area
35:24these savings and credit cooperatives.
35:26Otherwise, it will be impossible
35:28for EDCOC to manage
35:30this volume
35:32as large as it has.
35:34And I do not agree that it is the bank superintendency
35:36because they are simply not banks.
35:38They are cooperatives.
35:40Their nature is different.
35:42Very well. We are going to commercials.
35:44We will be back in a few moments
35:46with Deputy Ophelia Michel on other issues of interest.
36:06We continue in Telematutino 11.
36:08This morning we are talking
36:10with Mr. Félix Michel Rodríguez.
36:12He is a deputy of the province of Santiago
36:14for the Fuerza del Pueblo party.
36:16He is a lawyer and a specialist
36:18in politics,
36:20in political science and
36:22in social and commercial law.
36:24And obviously, Santiago is the second city
36:26in the country,
36:28the capital of the Cibao.
36:30It moves a lot.
36:32The population of Santiago
36:34moves a lot.
36:38It leads the 14 provinces
36:40of the region
36:42in development,
36:44but it has also had some situations
36:46of insecurity, violence
36:48and some other issues.
36:50How is the province
36:52currently?
36:54And what remarkable aspects
36:56could you share with us?
36:58Look, on the one hand, what is going well
37:00is what does not depend on the government,
37:02five hotels,
37:04the private sector does its studies.
37:06Five new hotels.
37:08Some four or five stars, right?
37:10Yes, very good.
37:12The private sector does its calculations,
37:14the numbers give it.
37:16You see that there is capital.
37:18They dare to invest.
37:20There are many events, a dynamism.
37:22There are many new towers.
37:24The private sector believes that.
37:26They rent, they sell.
37:28So there is a very important
37:30development in Santiago
37:32that includes the 14 provinces
37:34because of the issue of hospitals.
37:36There are new private hospitals
37:38and new hospital centers
37:40that many people from all over the region
37:42go to.
37:44But on the other hand,
37:46there is no adequate drinking water.
37:48The plants have not been adapted.
37:50But in the years of the PEL,
37:52you have to say it,
37:54it was being adapted
37:56and that lack was not felt.
37:58But these people from the PRM
38:00have been doing nothing for five years
38:02in terms of expanding the issue of water.
38:04And there is a critical problem
38:06of drinking water supply.
38:08The upper class, the middle class,
38:10let's say, has to pay a bill
38:12for water trucks for the cistern
38:14and that's why they can
38:16carry the situation.
38:18The middle class also does the same.
38:20But in the lower class,
38:22Tamboril, Canca,
38:24the neighborhoods there,
38:26save whoever can
38:28to have access to drinking water.
38:30They buy the trucks.
38:32Yes, there are trucks for sale,
38:34but there is no supply for the cistern,
38:36but Corazante sells them.
38:38So there is that problem.
38:40The issue of shutters comes back.
38:42And there are people who tell me,
38:44no, because before there were shutters,
38:46look, that was solved.
38:48It was very little that existed
38:50for maintenance or something.
38:52So now the shutters come back.
38:54Before the shutters,
38:56the batteries were damaged by people
38:58because they were not used.
39:00And now you see that this comes back.
39:02And it is more than what happens
39:04in the country.
39:06What works well does not depend
39:08on the government.
39:10What works well in this country?
39:12That the remittances are increasing.
39:14That increases and increases.
39:16That does not depend on the government.
39:18The franchise does not depend on the government.
39:20Tourism does not depend on the government.
39:22But you have not invested much in Santiago.
39:24Or maybe where else have you invested?
39:26I have invested a lot in advertising
39:28to create a perception in Santiago.
39:30And when I come here to the capital,
39:32I tell my friends, look,
39:34four great mega-works, fantastic,
39:36wonderful, the government has done in Santiago.
39:38And in the capital they believe
39:40that the PRM did the monument.
39:42Look, the first was an unfunctional cable car.
39:44Go to Santiago.
39:46Go. And tell them to take it to the cable car.
39:48It does not work.
39:50They do not tell anyone.
39:52People are not interested because it is unfunctional.
39:54There is no source of work there.
39:56They should have made it to Tamboril,
39:58to Liceia, Matanza, Cienfuegos.
40:00People simply, you stop there.
40:02And empty all the time.
40:04That's why they're going to have to close it
40:06because it's not functional.
40:08They burn the fuel.
40:10Every 30 seconds a wagon comes out
40:12and people do not get on because they did it.
40:14The one who designed it did not calculate anything.
40:16So people prefer the cable car
40:18to the cable car in Colombia.
40:20And that is, people are going crazy to get on.
40:22But in Colombia the cable car
40:24is for the mountains.
40:26The cable car is to go up.
40:28To go up.
40:30But then the people of Santiago are not interested
40:32in getting on because they see
40:34that it is not attractive at all.
40:36And that's why I say they're going to close it
40:38because it's an economic matter
40:40that is going to burn the fuel.
40:42And so here they think they made a cable car
40:44that benefited the entire people of Santiago.
40:46And it's not like that.
40:48That's the first great work.
40:50The second is the entrance to Santiago.
40:52They expanded it.
40:54But what happens?
40:56I don't know why.
40:58They make an expansion
41:00and the returns are inadequate.
41:02People crash there.
41:04Three returns.
41:06I don't understand why they don't look for the same people
41:08who did the North Circumvalation,
41:10that the returns are perfect.
41:12Simply, the works are not done in the right way.
41:14They are not attentive to the entrance.
41:16There are three returns.
41:18They are incredibly dangerous.
41:20So that entrance is the second great work
41:22that the capital thinks they did
41:24and we are happy about that.
41:26The third is the Cayana de Gurao,
41:28which is eight kilometers.
41:30They are excavating.
41:32The president of the republic has gone twice
41:34to inaugurate, every time he goes, 500 meters.
41:36That is, he has gone twice
41:38with the caravan,
41:40with all the apparatus of the state
41:42500 meters.
41:44That is, 7 kilometers are missing
41:46to finish in five years.
41:48And obviously,
41:50the other great trophy they exhibit
41:52is about to be seen, which is the monorail,
41:54which is under construction, but from what I see,
41:56that will be inaugurated by the people's force
41:58after the 28th.
42:00They are a few kilometers.
42:02But I told him
42:04that the Cañada is eight kilometers
42:06from Gurao and it only goes one kilometer
42:08in five years.
42:10And it was only one meter in four years.
42:12And people thought they were laughing,
42:14that they were making fun of it.
42:16Danilo continued,
42:18and they cannot make a single line
42:20in the Alcazarizos in five years.
42:22And they talk about demolishing a section
42:24because there is a construction site.
42:26Works and actions are always claimed
42:28in the provinces,
42:30and more in this province
42:32because of its importance.
42:34And having the vice president,
42:36Mrs. Raquel Peña, who is from Santiago,
42:38and the engineer Eduardo Estrella
42:40is also from Santiago,
42:42they know quite well
42:44the needs of the province.
42:46Doesn't that generate an additional expectation?
42:48Sure, but it doesn't matter
42:50where you are.
42:52If you don't have the vision
42:54and you don't hear what is needed,
42:56you will be lost.
42:58We prefer a bridge that goes to Avenida Francia
43:00and crosses the other side of the river
43:02than a cable car.
43:04You have to be attentive.
43:06As a politician,
43:08there is a great lack of vision
43:10at the highest level,
43:12and that is replicated
43:14because leadership is replicated.
43:16You have an executive who sends a law
43:18of expression and diffusion of thought
43:20to his signature,
43:22but from his executive office,
43:24and then he tells you that he doesn't know it,
43:26that he didn't put a comma.
43:28There is a shift
43:30in the vision of state management.
43:32And that happens in everything.
43:34I can tell you that I see the issue of loans.
43:36For example, I saw one that surprised me a lot,
43:38of $75 million for the electric sector.
43:40You know that there is a deficiency
43:42in the charge of billing,
43:44but even worse,
43:46there is energy that is produced and is not billed,
43:48much less is it going to be charged.
43:50So they ask for $75 million for that concept,
43:52to make it usable,
43:54to make the charge of the energy produced more efficient.
43:56My question is,
43:58but the issue is not only $75 million,
44:00they have already taken $700 million for that issue.
44:02They haven't been able to solve it with $700 million,
44:04and in their minds they understand
44:06that they are going to do it with $775 million.
44:08They are not going to do it either,
44:10and then their own statistics tell you
44:12that the loss is going to increase,
44:14and the lack of billing is also going to increase.
44:16Obviously, there is a lack of vision and planning.
44:18Deficit governments, economists,
44:20$25 billion in January,
44:22the figure of the central bank this year,
44:24$7 billion in financial deficit in February,
44:26$14 billion in March,
44:28$15 billion now in April,
44:30with a 2.7% capital outflow,
44:32where are we going?
44:34Towards the collapse,
44:36in terms of economic management.
44:38And that capital outflow,
44:40the part that is construction is much less.
44:42Much less.
44:44The part of capital transfer is more than the investment in construction.
44:46Of course, because I think it is handled
44:48from the emotional side,
44:50and I have to remind you,
44:52the president was very excited
44:54about a Miami baseball classic,
44:56and he said,
44:58of course, who is going to pay, how is it?
45:00Excitedly, they announced a program
45:02of the field for the field, like three years ago.
45:04And I told him,
45:06where is the program of the field for the field,
45:08with bombs and platillos?
45:10And now I see that they are going to announce
45:12a transport issue, something obvious.
45:14They are announcing a plan of $3 billion
45:16for the transport issue.
45:18If you can't do
45:20what you have in your hands well,
45:22you are going to do the other wrong.
45:24If a nine-year-old girl,
45:26who has a ball,
45:28if you don't give her three,
45:30because you are going to drop her,
45:32if you can't handle the transport
45:34in the little you have,
45:36that is, a lift, a tunnel,
45:38trucks, queues, scooters,
45:40can't pass,
45:42they can't pass,
45:44and they do operations one day or two,
45:46they forget,
45:48if you put that on permanent,
45:50you are going to result,
45:52if you can't control the simple fact
45:54por una multa y tienen que pagárselas porque es un capital.
45:58Si usted no puede controlar ese simple hecho,
46:00en que en dos ciudades, porque el Nevado es donde,
46:03en Santiago y en la capital.
46:05Si usted no puede controlar eso,
46:06usted no va a poder controlar lo demás.
46:08Generalmente, como usted hace una cosa, hace las demás.
46:12Y entonces, este gobierno, las cosas que hace, las hace mal.
46:16Y casi todas las hace mal.
46:17Yo no sé, yo lo pongo al revés.
46:19Yo digo, ¿qué ha hecho el PRM que si lo quitamos,
46:22cambia la vida del dominicano?
46:24Si en Santiago usted quita el teleférico, no pasa nada.
46:26Nada, nada.
46:27Félix, pero sin embargo, a pesar de eso,
46:29daría la impresión que el presidente mantiene su
46:31popularidad y las encuestas dicen que el PRM sigue en
46:34primer lugar y que parece que es un clavo pasado,
46:38que hay un candidato de ellos que le gana a todo el mundo.
46:40Y reconocimiento internacional.
46:42Sí, yo siempre digo a los medios,
46:43saquen las cámaras a las plazas, a los colmados,
46:45a las farmacias, a los parques, a ver cómo le va.
46:47Porque evidentemente ya eso es un libreto viejo.
46:49Los gobiernos te manejan las encuestas.
46:51Te la manejan, van a eso, ¿qué es lo que hay que comprar?
46:53Vamos a manejar la procesión ahí poco a poco para crear en
46:55la mente de que somos los mejores.
46:57Pero eso no es el gobierno solamente,
46:58eso lo hacen los productos, el comercio lo hace.
47:01Te invierte un porcentaje en posicionamiento.
47:04Y a tal grado que a veces tú confundes la marca con el
47:06producto.
47:07Y eso es un manejo mental, publicitario,
47:09que este gobierno lo vio, no es la primera vez que se hace,
47:13no es este el primer gobierno que lo hace.
47:15O sea, ellos encontraron ese esquema ahí, lo replican.
47:17Le fue bien en una reelección.
47:19Pero el tema, donde no pueden, vamos a decir,
47:22manipular el tema de la cifra y el déficit.
47:24¿Cómo usted me demuestra a mí que invierte más de un 2.7%
47:28en obras de capital?
47:29¿Dónde están los hospitales, las escuelas públicas,
47:30las autovías, los puentes?
47:33Eso usted no puede inventárselo, no existe sencillamente.
47:37Ahora, usted puede sí manipular que la encuesta tal lo da como
47:40el poder ejecutivo, el primero del mundo.
47:42O sea, sí, claro, eso tiene un costo.
47:43Y usted lo hace y la gente lo replica y todo se expande.
47:46Y entonces hasta hay gente que se lo cree.
47:48Pero la realidad no es esa.
47:49La realidad es que un botellón de agua te cuesta 115 pesos.
47:52Y tienes que comprarlo la clase media, la clase alta,
47:55todo el mundo.
47:56Y esa es la realidad con que vive el pueblo dominicano.
47:59Feli, Michel, muchísimas gracias.
48:00Tú tienes un buen discurso opositor.
48:03Te felicito.
48:04Gracias a usted.
48:05Muchísimas gracias y te esperamos de nuevo.
48:07Con mucho gusto.
48:08Y ahora nos vamos con la doctora Luz Rosa Estrella,
48:10que también es de Santiago.
48:11Ah, muy bien.
48:12Y nos tiene un segmento de psicología,
48:14pero dirigido a la familia.
48:17Saludos.
48:19Hoy le quiero dialogar de algo que es muy especial.
48:24Es una técnica, es una forma de convivencia,
48:28es la expresión del cariño, es necesario en muchos momentos,
48:33es necesario todos los días, del abrazo.
48:38El abrazo es esa cercanía piel a piel cuando dos personas o más
48:45pueden unir sus almas, pueden unir en su calor humano,
48:50pueden unir en el afecto.
48:53El abrazo es una expresión de cariño, de estoy contigo,
48:58de solidaridad, es una expresión de amor.
49:03Inclusive, es técnica.
49:06Nosotros, los psicoterapeutas, especialmente de familia,
49:11utilizamos mucho el abrazo.
49:13Ya sea en la terapia de pareja, como en la terapia también
49:18con los hijos, en la familia.
49:21Inclusive, uno a veces tiene situaciones tan conflictivas
49:27delante, que hasta la determinación para un
49:30diagnóstico de cuál es el problema,
49:33tiene situaciones difíciles para uno, como psicoterapeuta.
49:39Sin embargo, cuando nos apoyamos un poco en poner
49:43a que estas familias se miren, se abracen, se toquen,
49:48se piel a piel, se calor, ya las cosas se tornan más claras,
49:55ya vamos detectando que hay amor,
49:58que no solamente hay incomprensión,
50:01que también hay elementos que son comunes y que unifican.
50:07El abrazo también es una expresión de perdón.
50:12Y eso es muy sano para la dinámica familiar,
50:16para la dinámica de pareja.
50:18Y en el caso de los niños y las niñas,
50:21pues con más motivo de ser una técnica para la crianza
50:26positiva, porque el abrazo es la mejor manifestación de afecto
50:32a los chiquitines.
50:34Y es muy necesario, muy necesario,
50:39ese abrazo en diferentes momentos.
50:42No solamente si supuestamente estamos muy contentos y muy
50:45felices y te felicito, no.
50:48En cualquier momento, el abrazo puede ser hasta un instrumento
50:54de corrección, por ejemplo.
50:56En uno puede ser un instrumento para la calma, para conectar,
51:01para calmar al niño que llora, para calmarlo en un ambiente,
51:07en un clima difícil.
51:09El abrazo es sanador.
51:11Familias, les invito a abrazarse más.
51:15Les invito a transmitirse más afecto, más amor, más perdón,
51:22y más solidaridad por medio del abrazo.
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