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The Reporters | Khawar Ghumman, Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain & Hassan Ayub | ARY News | 23rd May 2025
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00:00This incident was exposed with the facts, not that it was a false flag operation that took place in Pahalgam.
00:09No phantom story was told.
00:11All the dots were connected.
00:13Interior Secretary was present there and DGISPR was present there.
00:17They told everything.
00:18There is an abomination of this incident from all over the world.
00:25But unfortunately, this incident is being made public in India.
00:31This is today's India, which is being ruled by PM Modi,
00:36PM Modi's BJP, or his parent organization RSS,
00:41who are going to celebrate their 100th anniversary in September.
00:46So, this is the main subject of our program today.
00:49Today, a press conference was held.
00:51First of all, Interior Secretary Khurram Ali Agha told us about this incident.
00:57He said that FITNA-UL-HINDUSTAN did not take care of any tradition.
01:05What did he say about this incident?
01:21...of violence sponsored by India through FITNA-UL-HINDUSTAN,
01:26operating under the tutelage and the patronage of the Indian Intelligence Agency, RAW.
01:32Having miserably failed in the so-called Operation Sindoor,
01:37the terror proxies of Hindustan have been tasked to accentuate their heinous attacks of terrorism in Balochistan and elsewhere.
01:46Mr. Agha is saying that this attack was not only on our children,
01:51but also on our society, on our social fabric.
01:56And these proxies in the form of BLA,
01:59the Indian-sponsored people operating in Balochistan,
02:03he talked about that.
02:05Along with that, he also said that at this moment in time,
02:09the federal government in cooperation with the provincial government,
02:12along with that, what steps are they taking?
02:42They will not succeed.
03:12...who are operating against these terrorists.
03:16Therefore, a powerful message has been given that we will not ignore them on every level and will go after them.
03:23Viewers, when this story came yesterday,
03:26a story was published on BBC in this regard.
03:29In it, there was a disclaimer that there was a lot of terrifying,
03:34scary kind of scenes in it.
03:36The picture has been taken.
03:38Therefore, it is warned that if some people do not want to read it, then they should not read it.
03:43When I saw that story, I worked in print for 16-17 years.
03:47There too, it happens that such things are avoided.
03:49Because a lot of propaganda was being done on it,
03:52as if we are doing a false flag,
03:55we are showing a useless thing,
03:57we are showing the bags of children.
03:59So, obviously, it was necessary to break this propaganda,
04:03to expose it,
04:05and to show the cruel way in which the school bus has been targeted.
04:13During today's press conference, these visuals were also shown.
04:18Viewers, these are our innocent children,
04:21our future,
04:23who were tried to target.
04:25Since we are talking about this incident,
04:28today we saw that when DISPR was also telling about this incident,
04:32their eyes were also teary.
04:34I mean, when an innocent person sees the innocent children of this age,
04:39children are everyone's companion.
04:41In any corner of the world,
04:43if there is oppression with any child,
04:45then the heart is teary.
04:47Today, he told us the details,
04:49how many children have been martyred as a result of this incident,
04:52and how many have been injured.
04:54This is what the terrorists of India have done on the order of India on 21st May.
05:00There is no humanity in this.
05:01There is no violence in this.
05:02There is no Pakistan in this.
05:04On this May, six innocent children were martyred.
05:0851 are injured.
05:10Maximum, there are children fighting for their lives.
05:13What is this?
05:14This is the real face of Fitnal Hindustan.
05:16This is the real face of that epicenter of destabilization in the region,
05:21that is India,
05:22who is prosecuting it, planning it, instructing it.
05:26Then he explained what actually this Fitnal Hindustan is.
05:56They are manipulating the money of India, the orders of India.
06:01What ideology is this?
06:02This is not an ideology.
06:03This is barbarism.
06:04That is why this is Fitnal Hindustan.
06:06It has nothing to do with any other country.
06:08It is only related to India.
06:10Viewers, we have invited Mr. Johar Salim to talk on this topic.
06:15He is the President of the Institute of Regional Studies.
06:19He has also been a former diplomat.
06:21He has done important designations in different countries of the world,
06:26as an ambassador, as a high commissioner.
06:29We will talk to him.
06:31Thank you very much, Mr. Johar Salim.
06:33Sir, tell us, you are heading an institute.
06:36Certainly, you do research and talk on these issues.
06:41Do you get any precedent or example
06:46that the Institute of Regional Studies has recorded
06:51that by attacking children, a big country like India, or any other,
06:58is showing pride in this.
07:00Today, the DGI-SPR showed during the press conference
07:03how their media is celebrating
07:05that we have attacked in Pakistan, in Balochistan.
07:08We have caused pain to Pakistan.
07:10We have to break the society of Pakistan.
07:12God forbid, we will not let Pakistan remain peaceful.
07:16Mr. Johar.
07:18Yes, this is very sad.
07:21Of course, you rarely get such a view in the history of the world.
07:26But it has come to light that India,
07:30their policy is similar to that of Ajit Doval,
07:33who had made his own doctrine of offensive defense.
07:37He said that he will support terrorist organizations
07:42and proxy organizations and will bleed Pakistan.
07:47This is not a new thing.
07:49He had enunciated this 10-12 years ago.
07:52He had told this comprehensively in his speeches.
07:58Since then, he is their National Security Advisor.
08:02It is obvious that before that,
08:04he ended his career as a spy, as a spymaster.
08:08So, the involvement of India in terrorism is not a new thing.
08:14This has been going on for decades.
08:16And they have added many new dimensions to this.
08:19Like these targeted assassinations,
08:22which they got close to 22 in Pakistan,
08:24and in the UK, in Canada,
08:26and then they tried in America as well.
08:29But they failed there.
08:31And in many other countries in Sri Lanka,
08:33and in many other countries in South Asia.
08:37But if their media has expressed such happiness,
08:43then the world can mourn them.
08:49If someone expresses happiness on such things,
08:52where children have been targeted in terrorism.
08:56But the second aspect is that
09:00there has been a limited war between the two countries.
09:04And after that, there has been a talk of de-escalation.
09:07So, this de-escalation was based on an understanding
09:11which was based on the mediation or facilitation of America.
09:18That the two countries will gradually move towards a structured
09:21and gradual de-escalation.
09:24And then some negotiations will start at a neutral venue.
09:27Where all these issues,
09:29the disputes between the two countries,
09:31like the dispute between Jammu and Kashmir.
09:34Along with that, the other things,
09:36the issue of terrorism,
09:38which India accuses us of,
09:40but along with that,
09:42there is a lot of terrorism in Pakistan as well.
09:45Then they have raised the issue of water.
09:48Which we say that they have tried to weaponize water.
09:52They want to use it as a weapon.
09:55Like the Indus Waters Treaty.
09:58By suspending it or putting it in a bench.
10:01And this is also not an ordinary issue.
10:04You know that with water,
10:06millions of lives are connected.
10:08Your entire agriculture, economy,
10:10water is life.
10:12So, just a few days ago,
10:14Modi said in his speech
10:16that he will stop the water supply to Pakistan
10:21and will continue to destroy it economically.
10:25And now, along with that,
10:27his latest statement has come out
10:29that as long as there is no issue of terrorism.
10:32Mr. Johar, I will take your opinion on this further.
10:35But Hassan, my colleague Hassan is present.
10:38Mr. Hassan Ayyub Chowdhury is also here.
10:40In 2009, we presented a dossier to
10:42the then Prime Minister Yusuf Zaghlani
10:44in India.
10:46After that, in 2015,
10:48the PMLN government, Nawaz Sharif,
10:50also presented a dossier to the international community.
10:53Then, in 2016,
10:55and then in 2019,
10:57the PTI government,
10:59also presented evidence of terrorism.
11:03Meanwhile, the Kalbhoshan case was caught.
11:06We also have evidence of that.
11:09So, what do you think?
11:11Where are we lagging?
11:13Mr. Johar, I will ask this question to you as well.
11:16What more should we do?
11:18We are presenting everything.
11:20Evidence is present everywhere.
11:22What more can the government do about this issue?
11:25The dossier you are talking about...
11:27Yes, Mr. Johar.
11:29The dossier you are talking about...
11:31When I was an ambassador in Germany
11:33and then in Italy,
11:35at that time, we ourselves
11:37sent this dossier to the governments there.
11:41That's right.
11:43Mr. Johar, I would like to ask you
11:45a comprehensive opinion on this.
11:47First, I would like to ask Hassan.
11:49We were present there last night
11:51where Field Marshal Sajid Asim Muneer
11:53was formally conferred with a baton.
11:55We also spoke to our security personnel.
11:57We also spoke to the top
11:59civil and military leaders of Pakistan.
12:01We also spoke about India.
12:03We spoke to Rawa as well.
12:05We are doing diplomatic offences
12:07and on-ground kinetic operations.
12:09What more?
12:39Both Fitan-ul-Khawarij and Fitan-ul-Hindustan
12:41are brothers.
12:43Their mother is Rawa.
12:45Now, we would like to say
12:47that we have evidence
12:49in Pakistan
12:51of this incident
12:53of Jaffar Express.
12:55We will present it to the world
12:57that this is the true face
12:59of India.
13:01We will also clarify
13:03that we are not accusing
13:05the Pahalgam incident.
13:07Our narrative is that
13:09the biggest state of terrorism
13:11in the world
13:13is India.
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32:21Chaudhary sahib,
32:23over to you.
32:25Chaudhary sahib,
32:27your long standing
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32:31what do you think
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36:07Prime Minister Modi, Ajit Doval, Ameet Shah and others are giving various kinds of inflammatory statements on the basis of daily life.
36:25Sometimes they say that water and blood cannot flow together, trade and talk cannot take place.
36:31They are giving more focus on IWT, Indus water treaty.
36:37DG SPR has made a very interesting comment on this. Let's see.
37:01Kashmir is a disputed territory as per the UNSC resolutions. So after hectic negotiations in 1960, the World Bank brokered a treaty through which three rivers were given to Pakistan and three rivers were given to India.
37:19So if you don't follow, if you don't want to follow this treaty, then Kashmir is a disputed territory.
37:27Tomorrow if Kashmir becomes, joins Pakistan as per the will of the people of Kashmir, then all these six rivers belong to Pakistan.
37:36And India becomes a low riparian state and we will see how to deal with them.
37:41According to the Indus water treaty, the distribution of six rivers went to Satlaj, Bayas and Ravi in India.
37:48In our part, Chenab, Jhelum and Dresen came.
37:52So DG SPR is saying that if India says that I don't want to follow the Indus water treaty, then we say that,
37:59DG SPR has said that the disputed Kashmir is still in the UN Security Council Resolution and voting is to be done on it.
38:08So if voting is done tomorrow, people will obviously agree.
38:12So the three rivers that you have, the Ravi that they have, our Ravi is with us.
38:21The Ravi river will also come back to us.
38:24So I think DG SPR will have to take good care of India and DG SPR's statement should be listened to very carefully.
38:31Hassan, what will you say?
38:33No, DG SPR has spoken very firmly.
38:37And the threat to India is that it has suppressed the people there.
38:44The people of Indian occupied Kashmir are not with the hearts of India.
38:49They want to get rid of India at least.
38:53I don't know if they will want to come with Pakistan or not.
38:56But I can say with certainty that they want to separate from India.
39:04Give them their right.
39:06The kind of atrocities that are happening to them there,
39:12More than a billion people have to be kept in the army.
39:15Sir, if you look at those people, they have put checkposts every 50 meters.
39:19They have lived their lives.
39:22And the freedom fighters there are giving their lives.
39:28Even today, you see that Yasin Malik is a prisoner there.
39:31Absolutely right.
39:32DG SPR, it is the honor of this program that when the ceremony took place here in the presidency,
39:39The baton was given to Field Marshal Syed Asim Munir.
39:42Hassan and I were there and we were representing you there.
39:46You were in Lahore and you could not come.
39:49So, now the most important thing, you can see, viewers.
39:52The question, Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain, is that this wall that is being built,
39:59The foundation of Marsuz, it has to be maintained.
40:02To maintain it, we won the war.
40:05This whole incident took place.
40:07Now we have to move it forward.
40:08So what further steps do we need to take politically?
40:13You have not taken a single step yet.
40:16You have not held any all-party conference of the 86th Jamaat.
40:19You have not held any conference of parliamentary leaders.
40:21You have not hung up the olive branch towards the opposition.
40:27You have not done a single thing.
40:29But thank God, Pakistan can talk to India and the rest of the world from a position of strength.
40:36Congratulations to the whole nation and the army.
40:38I want to say a lot, but I will not say more.
40:41Hassan, there should have been an APC.
40:43Ali Amin should have come yesterday.
40:45We missed Ali Amin yesterday.
40:47He is the chief minister.
40:48I have seen his press statement.
40:50His spokesperson gave a summary.
40:52Anyway, he should have come.
40:53Obviously, there was a national check-in.
40:55Yes, everyone should have come.
40:56Nawaz Sharif came, but he did not come.
40:58APC, you suggest that there should be an APC.
41:00No, there is no need.
41:01Viewers, that is all for today.
41:03We will meet you on Monday.
41:05Give us permission.
41:06Allah Hafiz.
41:11Allah Hafiz.