In this edition of Democratic Newsroom, the focus is on the war of words that has erupted between the Congress and government over Operation Sindoor.
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00:00Hello and welcome to yet another edition of the Democratic Newsroom.
00:19Viewers, it's been exactly one month since the Pehelgaam terror strike.
00:23Right in the beginning, what we had seen was unusual opposition unity.
00:27The opposition standing shoulder to shoulder with the government when it came down to the
00:32response of India to Pakistan.
00:34But over time, along with nine terror launchpads in Pakistan, that opposition and government
00:40unity that we had seen has also gone up in smoke.
00:43The opposition now raising some very strong questions.
00:47The question is, are they pertinent questions that need to be asked or is the opposition
00:53playing in to Pakistan propaganda?
00:55And all of that being debated on this edition of the Democratic Newsroom, introducing to
01:02you a full house today.
01:03We have a consulting editor, Rajdeep Sardasai, our managing editor, Gaurav Sawant.
01:08We have my colleagues, Akshita Nand Gopal, our new joinee, Suesha.
01:13Welcome, Suesha.
01:14Suesha joins the Democratic Newsroom.
01:16So does Anjali Ishtarwar.
01:17Welcome, Anjali.
01:18And Pooja.
01:19All right, so Rajdeep, questions being asked by the opposition, do you think justified
01:24questioning or frivolous?
01:26You're playing into Pakistan agenda.
01:27What do you mean?
01:28What do you feel?
01:28I believe very clearly when you're in a warlike situation or in a war or a skirmish, call
01:33it what you will, one of the things you have to do in public life is show restraint.
01:37I think restraint is a very important quality because it's a sign of maturity when you are
01:42in that warlike situation.
01:43The moment the warlike situation is over, you have every right to ask questions.
01:48The questions should be asked and the answer should be given in a manner that I believe
01:53should encourage mutual respect and transparency.
01:56Unfortunately, because of the polarized nature of our politics, every question is deemed as
02:02anti-national and every answer sees a brick wall saying, why should we answer?
02:07So I think it's the breakdown of our politics that is reflected in what is happening post what
02:13happened with Operation Sindhu, which I think is unfortunate.
02:15In an ideal world, we should have had a special session of parliament, I believe like we've
02:20had in the past, where the government should have given us as much as they could within
02:24the constraints of national security and the opposition should have asked those questions
02:28and it should have been done in an atmosphere of mutual respect.
02:32That's what happened between in 62, that's what's happened in 71, that's what's happened
02:37in 1999.
02:38I don't see why 2025 should have been any different.
02:41It happened even after the terror attack in 2008.
02:44I think we've seen a breakdown of our politics, a polarization and that to my mind is regrettable
02:50because the public's right to know is weakened and the world, therefore, will see us as a
02:55more fractious nation than we actually are.
02:57Gaurab, do you wish to respond on this?
02:59What are your views?
03:00I don't care how the world sees us.
03:02I care about winning wars and wars have to be won.
03:05When you have an adversary as deceitful as Pakistan, as a country that stabs you in the back and
03:12you have a certain section of your leadership, your political class that would actually ask
03:18questions that will benefit the adversary.
03:21I think that's really unfortunate and completely uncalled for.
03:25So, are you saying no questions should be asked, for example, of security?
03:29Not when operations are on.
03:31Not when operations are on.
03:33Let's be very clear about that.
03:35We have one month since Pahlkam happened.
03:37We are doing this program one month since Pahlkam.
03:40Should we ask the question, for example, has accountability been fixed for the security
03:45lapses in Pahlkam?
03:46Now that the war is over, I'm talking post this, and if we ask those questions…
03:50So, you've decided war is over before the government of India has decided war is over.
03:53So, we are still in war mode?
03:54Are you saying still we are in war mode?
03:56Radhip Sardesai decided war is over.
03:56Is Dorav Savat saying the country is still in war mode?
03:59Is that what you're saying?
04:00Operation Sindhuur is still on.
04:01That's what the Prime Minister has said.
04:03That's what the government has said.
04:04I am asking you a simple question.
04:06Fixing accountability for Pahlkam isn't anti-rational.
04:10Your enemy is out to bleed you even today.
04:12So, please take on the enemy.
04:14Who's saying no?
04:15Asking questions.
04:16You take on the enemy, not with one hand covering your back.
04:18Are you saying there should be no special session of parliament where questions are asked?
04:22Are we in democracy or not?
04:24Special session of parliament in midst of a conflict with Pakistan?
04:27Are we still in the midst of a conflict with the question I'm asking you?
04:30We've been…
04:31You know this Vaga Mumbatti Brigade has to wake up
04:35because we've been at war with Pakistan for 30 years.
04:37What is this name calling?
04:38Why name calling?
04:41Let's get this very clear.
04:42They were bleeding you in 1993.
04:45So, okay one second.
04:46No, hold on, hold on.
04:47Hear me out, hear me out.
04:481993, 257 Indians were massacred by Pakistan's ISI in Mumbai.
04:55We were at war with them.
04:56They were waging war against India.
04:582006, when 200 people were killed in the train tragedy,
05:02we were at war with Pakistan.
05:04They were bleeding India.
05:05We want to do Galbahiya with Pakistan and they want to bleed us.
05:08Okay, one second, one second Rajdeep.
05:10One second, one second.
05:11Look at where he's moved the goalpost.
05:13Then you're saying we've been at permanent war with Pakistan for the last 30 years.
05:17Good morning Rajdeep.
05:17If that's the case, if that's the case, you're saying don't ask any questions.
05:22We are an autocracy and we're an autocracy.
05:24Okay, one second.
05:25How does that become an autocracy?
05:26One second, one second, one second.
05:27How does that become an autocracy?
05:27Rajdeep, allow me.
05:29Rajdeep, I'm moderating this debate, please.
05:30I said don't ask questions, at least win the war.
05:32I am moderating this debate.
05:34Allow me to come in.
05:36Allow me to come in and also bring in our other panelists.
05:41Before I cut across to Pooja and Akshita, I just want to get my two cents in and no Rajdeep,
05:49you're never through and you will prove it yourself in the course of this bulletin.
05:53But having said that, I just want to get my two cents in.
05:56What's so wrong with the opposition asking questions? Because the BJP also asked similar
06:01questions in 2611. Right after that, accountability was fixed.
06:05Vilas Rao Deshmukh, the Chief Minister of Maharashtra stepped down because the BJP went after him.
06:10The Home Minister at that point of time stepped down because there was accountability that was fixed
06:15because then the principal opposition did its job, which the BJP was then, and asked pertinent questions.
06:21At least that's what my two cents are. There is nothing wrong in asking questions.
06:24You don't play into the agenda of any other country. It is only your country's agenda at
06:29number one because of the reason why you asked certain questions.
06:31No, no, no. Because Preeti Chaudhary, no, no. One minute. In 2008, I was covering that.
06:35Sir, you said you were done. I was covering the terror attack. No, no.
06:38Because it should be a... So was I. I was on ground in Moabayra.
06:40Mr. Prime Minister... I wasn't in an air-conditioned studio.
06:43I wasn't either. Sir, allow me to bring it.
06:45No, no, no, no. Because it must be said. Prime Minister Narendra Modi was then
06:48Chief Minister of Gujarat. While the operation was on at the trident, while the operation was on at
06:54the trident, he came there, delivered a press conference and questioned Prime Minister Manmohan
06:59Singh's handily. My point is, it cannot be that you will... that where you stand depends on where you sit.
07:04Okay.
07:05Limited point. No, madam. You must...
07:07You have raised the wrong question. You are saying, is the opposition politicizing it?
07:11Within 24 hours... Who has raised the wrong question?
07:13Within 24 hours of May 7th, even while the operation was on, posters had come up...
07:18That's exactly...
07:18...across Mumbai.
07:19Radhi, that's exactly what I said. That's exactly what I said. When did I say you're politicizing it?
07:24Didn't you hear my comments? Okay.
07:25But having said that, I want to bring in. Akshita, please come in and Pooja, you can, you know, make your point.
07:29You know, I... First of all, I agree with your opening statement, Preeti, that when this terror attack happened,
07:36you did see a very mature stand by the opposition where they said, we stand together as one nation.
07:41Now, I partially agree with Rajdeep, sir. I partially agree with Gaurav in the sense,
07:44I believe that there are some questions that can be asked, some that I believe now you can't,
07:49like questioning the forces. You can go ahead and talk about a security lapse at Pehelga.
07:55Right question to ask. You need to seek accountability on that front. But if you ask for proof of strikes,
08:01if you question our forces, if you question what they're saying about the strikes that they've
08:05conducted and seek proof of surgical strikes like they have previously, that for me is where you
08:10cross the line. And so you see that line, essentially, that the opposition has followed
08:14to me this time. Okay. I don't think they've crossed the line. Yes, you've had some loose
08:17cannons. You've made some loose statements. But to me, the opposition leadership so far
08:21has, in fact, toured that line, maybe learnt their lessons from past instances.
08:24So far. Okay. Okay. Pujadi, you concur. What's your... So, what I have to say is, I think everyone,
08:29whether in the government and opposition has every right to ask questions to the government,
08:33and that can be at any moment, but it was not as much the question, but the tone that I noticed.
08:39For example, recently, when Yashwant Sinha came on record to say that this is Bihar elections.
08:49Other leaders also making similar tones. That I found extremely shocking because it was a reminder to me
08:55the statements that came in after the Pulwama attack. And you have to give credit to the Modi
08:59government. We all know and realize how Jammu and Kashmir Valley were in the past one decade.
09:06And the work that the government did all these years to be able to change it. I was venturing
09:11into areas I couldn't walk or even dream of walking into perhaps a decade ago. I was walking there with
09:17the microphone and the camera. So this government definitely worked hard. And then, of course,
09:22for whatever reason, there was a loophole that Pakistan found. And there was this massacre.
09:27But at least you have to give credit and understand that the government will take action.
09:30There's a whole security establishment. Instead, making remarks. And when you're questioning
09:35constantly on Indian aircraft, which Pakistan journalists are picking up on, what Rahul Gandhi said,
09:40why is it so important to focus on aircrafts right now at a time when clearly you're trying to
09:45put a narrative to tell the world, look what Pakistan has done to us. Not just 2611, but since 1990.
09:50All right. Allow me before anyone else comes in, because I want to bring in our two new anchors
09:55who've joined the group. Well, you know, this is, I think you've straight, you've started off the
10:00bat right there. You know what a democratic newsroom looks like. So Aisha, how do you gauge the situation,
10:06especially politically? What's your point of view?
10:08I think in parts, I agree with all of you. So basically, I'll just sum up what I felt.
10:14There is a time to do things, certainly given the sentiment that the entire nation was feeling. And
10:19we were all angry. We were all angry. It was not just about what walk of life you come from.
10:24I spoke to so many people, and everybody was so angry at the nature of this attack. I mean, it was
10:30religious. And then on top of that, you know, coming back to the Congress and the opposition
10:38primarily, questioning is one thing, but you've literally politicized everything from the operation
10:44itself, to what happened on the ground, to the name of the operation, Sindhu, to the MP delegation,
10:51Rao. Everything was politicized. Again, like I said, okay, some lines were crossed.
10:57Loose cannons, the nature of the statements that were made. But again, there is a time for it.
11:02It should have been done in a more organized manner, like Rajdeep sir said, right at the start.
11:06And like Gaurav said, that the sentiment of every Indian should have been respected.
11:11So like Akshita, you've got mixed feelings about it. But Akshita, primarily, you agree
11:15that the opposition has done, they haven't really crossed the line here.
11:18I don't think so. You think they've done a responsible job?
11:20I think that what we've also seen is when there have been comments made by loose cannons,
11:23the leadership has kind of stepped in and said that's not a step we agree with.
11:26Anjali, you know, I know you've been watching everybody come in with their points of views
11:30very silently. What do you make of it? Where do you stand?
11:33Well, firstly, I'll add to what Pooja had said. I think nobody is above questioning. Nobody in this
11:40world. Because that is how democracy works. And that is how the world works. Secondly,
11:47I don't think so, the opposition has crossed the line. Because you need to ask the question,
11:52this is their basic job. And if they don't do that, then they might as well sit at
11:55home and not be a political party. Politics is their job. And politicization of a certain thing,
12:01yes, we all agree it was a war-like situation. We stood by our country. Everybody in this country
12:07stood by their nation, their prime minister. So did the opposition party. But now is the time
12:13to answer some questions. And it's for the benefit of the country. Mind you, if we are looking at the
12:19lapses that happened, it is for the benefit of the country so that this does not happen again.
12:23That's all I want to say. All right. You know, I'm going to start taking
12:26final comments because I'm going to wrap up in the next 10 to 12 minutes. So Rajdeep,
12:29would you like to go first? Or are you done?
12:31No, I think broadly, I think there is a, in a strange way, a consensus. You see,
12:35you can ask questions, but you've got to ask the right questions.
12:37I didn't know, by the way, that people have consensus walking into this.
12:40No, no. For example, Rahul Gandhi's questions to Jai Shankar, I found them very strange.
12:44Because I, you know, for example, saying that Jai Shankar was forewarning the Pakistanis.
12:50I don't think that's...
12:51No, but Rahul, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't...
12:54I don't...
12:54They're being a space for misunderstanding.
12:56No, one second. Rajdeep, Rajdeep, I'll tell you...
12:58No, no, I disagree with you. Because why I disagree with you and why I disagree with you,
13:02allow me. I just want to quote what the external affairs minister says. And tell me,
13:06did he not room... leave room for interpretation? And in diplomacy, it's such a fine,
13:11tightrope walk that every word needs to be weighed. You cannot leave any room for interpretation.
13:17Hear me out. Hear me out. What did Jai Shankar say? I think we reasonably took the position,
13:22because even at the start of the operation, we had sent a message to Pakistan saying we are
13:27striking at terror infrastructure and not military. And the military has an option to stand out and not
13:33interfere. When the external affairs minister says something like this, he leaves room open for
13:38interpretation. And for the leader of opposition, it's only right to A, politically jump into this,
13:44B, even if it's a national interest, ask the question. Did we forewarn Pakistan or not? What's
13:49wrong with that?
13:49No, no. I don't think we are forewarning Pakistan. You see...
13:52No, we didn't. We did not.
13:53No, no, no. I think the question...
13:55It was maybe...
13:55Maybe it could have been worded better, but you left room for interpretation.
13:59That's where I stay with what Pooja said. I think it's very right. When you're in this situation,
14:03by all means, ask questions. But frame your questions in a manner that they don't leave scope for
14:08interpretation on both sides. When you're external affairs minister, make sure that when you make a
14:12comment, it is made in a manner that it does not leave any room for interpretation. I think there
14:17are far more important questions to be asked. I think we need to ask, for example, very clearly,
14:22what is the role of the United States in framing this, in deciding on the ceasefire? I think we
14:26certainly need to know what happened in Pahlgaam. We certainly need to know whether the all-party
14:30meeting was lied to when it was said that police permission was needed for tourists to go to
14:37opening up Baisaran. All these are legitimate questions. My point is, if there was mutual respect,
14:43you see, my worry is, the Prime Minister treats the principal leader of the opposition with contempt,
14:48and the principal opposition leader does not show respect to the Prime Minister's office. That is where
14:53it starts. Let us not label the entire opposition. How many other opposition leaders, whether it's
14:59Stalin, whether it's Mamta, whether it is other leaders of the opposition, they haven't spoken out
15:03of turn. The principal problem seems to be Prime Minister Modi on one side and Rahul Gandhi on the
15:10other. And that they have no mutual respect for each other. I will come to all of you. Gaurav,
15:14do you want to come in for a counter very quick? These are final comments. Make your point.
15:18You know, the Director General of Military Operations had made it very clear, after India bombed nine
15:24terror bases, and the entire country, this is the first time in the history of India's war on terror,
15:30that you've bombed Murid K, you've bombed Bahawalpur, you've bombed Pakistan in Punjab, despite 26-11,
15:371993, you never did that. Now you've done it. Now this is something where the entire country should
15:42actually say, wow, it's a big step on war against Pakistan.
15:47No, but does wow mean, Gaurav, let me ask you, does wow mean putting up large posters with the
15:52Prime Minister himself in uniform? Then you're virtually using the soldiers to build your own
15:57larger-than-life image? Is that what I'm asking you?
15:59We can argue about that.
16:0120 years ago, technology and change, it's easier for us to connect these more.
16:05Let's go, let's go one by one. Okay, I'm going to-
16:08Okay, one second. Okay, time out. I'm the moderator, time out.
16:12One man, one man, Jayshankar was actually fighting on the world stage to put India's point across.
16:17No, no, one minute. Okay, one second.
16:19Jayshankar is not about scrutiny. No, no, let him be under scrutiny.
16:22I mean, your diplomatic efforts have exactly worked at a time.
16:26Agree with you. Agree with him.
16:28You know, the white man is trying to talk down to us, the white man is trying to talk down to us,
16:32and we are trying to show the white man his place. At the time when we are talking to radical Islamist
16:36terrorists, they are all ganging up against us.
16:38But the white man was not their friend until a while ago.
16:40Please, let's understand that. Yeah, one second.
16:42It's a tough battle. It's a tough battle. Let's stand united in that battle against Pakistan.
16:46Final comments, Akshita, please come.
16:47Rajdeep, sir, as much as you're calling out these posters of Prime Minister Modi and saying that, you know,
16:52this kind of credit is unfair, we should also be calling out all of these Indira Gandhi posters
16:57that are being put up. Agree.
16:59That, you know, it's on both sides. Agree. I agree with you.
17:01Agree. I also have to say this, that, you know, you cannot leave room for interpretation on both sides,
17:06which is why I say that when you have a comment from the External Affairs Minister that leaves room
17:11for doubt, it's fine for Rahul Gandhi to question it. I don't think that's wrong at all.
17:14But the way you do the question, do you use a word-like traitor?
17:17Okay, one second. Okay, one second.
17:19I'm glad. I'm glad you, I'm glad you guys are on the same page.
17:24Allow me to bring it up. I have a bad throw. I have a bad throw, please.
17:29Okay, I have a bad throw. Allow me. I agree that Rahul Gandhi should have taken a basket, which he did.
17:33Akshita, one second, right? Oh, God. Thank you for the silence. Pooja.
17:36So, my closing comment would be, what was the narrative after the Pehlgaam massacre?
17:40Don't let communal disharmony emerge in this country. Stand united.
17:43But the politicians are the ones right now, especially in opposition, are trying to,
17:47in many ways, not understand that they need to stand united as well.
17:51We need to take lessons from how Asad Uddin Ovesi and Shashi Tharoor behaved.
17:54You can be staunch critics of the government, but you need to know who is pinning for your disunity.
17:59Pakistanis would have been shocked with this multi-party delegation that's heading out right now,
18:04and seven teams of that, even though, of course, a lot of it is with regard to the world stage.
18:08But the politicians also need to understand that at this juncture, the fact is, I believe,
18:13the reason you're looking at this response is as much because, of course, the armed forces,
18:17but it's of the decision maker. And the decision maker is Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
18:21Why have you not mentioned the way the social media armies of a particular political party
18:26targeted Himanshi Narwal, the entire right-wing ecosystem targeted her when she spoke of Hindu-Muslim unity?
18:31Sir, on that logic…
18:32No, no, one minute, one minute. Why don't we ask questions the way Mikra Misri was targeted?
18:36No, but there are many issues. Many issues, unfortunately. Fair point, fair point, fair point.
18:41One second. Allow me to bring in.
18:42You could ask to how downplay the Pahlgaam massacre was also a narrative.
18:45No, Pooja, okay, one second. Allow me to bring in. Allow me to bring in.
18:48But, you know, Pooja, just like ten seconds with what you said.
18:50Okay, first of all. Okay, come. Let me get in one hour.
18:53I think we all agree with the fact that there is a difference between questioning the centre and low political discourse.
18:59The words that you use and do it at a sensitive time is not acceptable. You're hurting the sentiments of the entire country.
19:06Pakistan was peddling lies one after the other. They had no solid proof to back any of their claims.
19:13They went on to say, look at social media. They have embarrassed themselves at every possible platform.
19:19Yes, you're the opposition. It is your job to ask the questions, but know what you're asking.
19:24Don't portray yourself in the wrong picture when you know.
19:28I actually think the opposition has done a fairly responsible job. Yes, the tone and tenor could have been different.
19:34You're going with that all-party delegation outside. Globally, you're putting out a front that you're united.
19:40Domestically, you damn well ask the questions that need to be asked.
19:43That's a very important point you made. We all need to keep India first.
19:46One second, Anjali. But domestically, you damn well ask the question.
19:50Anjali, make your point.
19:52See, my point is that I agree with the fact that, you know, you need to be sure about the timing.
19:58But the question also arises, you have lot of people on the other side as well, union ministers, ministers, who are calling opposition Pakistan.
20:06Like they say the same, you know…
20:07No, Kharki was called a gaddaar. Do you call Kharki a gaddaar?
20:10No, no, one minute, one minute, one minute, one minute, long before that, Mr. Kharki was called a gaddaar.
20:18On the first day when Operation Sindhuur was launched, an advertisement was put out showing Manmohan Singh as this terrible weak prime minister.
20:25I mean, then you expect the opposition to stay quiet.
20:28See, plain and simple, you cannot level anybody.
20:30Similarly, there was a terrible ad which showed the prime minister's head off and saying missing it.
20:35Congress did it.
20:36Yes, so Congress did that. The BJP put out an ad showing that Manmohan Singh was missing.
20:40Why do you do it?
20:41One second, one second.
20:42No, no, no.
20:43And it is the government's responsibility to build a consensus, not the opposition.
20:48In that post-a-war, in that post-a-war, then to equate Rahul Gandhi with Asim Munir, now that's a bit much.
20:54But Anjali, make your point.
20:55Exactly.
20:56My point is, it is just not fair to any person to be questioned as a traitor and an anti-national
21:02when their entire life they've been in a public platform, their life has been open books, okay.
21:07And then just because somebody has a different politics from you, you say,
21:10This country is here.
21:12You know, it hurts.
21:13I think, I have personally felt it because I have faced it on Twitter.
21:16I think it hurts.
21:18You know, I have three minutes.
21:19I don't know who to give it to.
21:20This is a very precarious thing.
21:21No, I feel that the instances so far that have come with cherry picking here.
21:25We're talking about Rahul Gandhi and Asim Munir.
21:27You're saying that that is distasteful.
21:28What about the picture of Prime Minister Modi without his head so well?
21:31That's what he said.
21:32I agree with that.
21:32You're talking about that incident.
21:34Terrible.
21:34Then we talk about Kharge.
21:35What about what Kharge himself said?
21:36Terrible.
21:37No, no, that was much later.
21:38My point, my limited point is official media.
21:42Official media was used to target the Congress President.
21:44The Congress Chief.
21:46What is he supposed to keep quiet?
21:47Sir, the response is Chutput war?
21:49How many programs have you done saying why did the government call the Congress President
21:55a gaddar?
21:55Did you do even one program?
21:56Did we do a Chutput war?
21:57No, you don't.
21:58Did we do a Chutput war?
21:58Sir, we all did it.
22:00Sir, we all did it.
22:01The point is the response.
22:02Sir, Terrible.
22:02Did you stop going down that?
22:03Yes.
22:04Did you do it?
22:05Because we did it.
22:06No, no, one minute.
22:06My limited point is it is primarily the job of the government to build a consensus.
22:11If you are a Chutput war of 20 seconds.
22:12If you are a Chutput war of 20 seconds.
22:16When you are fighting Pakistan and please understand you are not just fighting Pakistan, you are
22:23fighting Pakistan, a deceitful country backed by China that does not want a strong India.
22:28You know, I am going to close.
22:29I am going to close.
22:31Please realize we have to stand, we have to stand, we have to stand.
22:35Okay, I only can't lie to each other, two people talk over each other.
22:38Okay, one final question and I think what we can maybe possibly answer this question is with an
22:42raise of hands.
22:43No, but perfectly to make my point without being interrupted.
22:45I am not being permitted to complete my point.
22:48Everybody speaks, you know, I keep quiet when others make a point.
22:5110 seconds, Gaurav, you have 10 seconds.
22:5110 seconds, make your point.
22:52So, there is a Pakistan, realize it.
22:54Do not play into Pakistan's hands come what may.
22:58If you have to hold your peace for now, hold your peace.
23:02Once you have decisively defeated Pakistan's state terror, go after whoever you may want to,
23:07but at least win this war.
23:08But this war is a long term war, Gaurav.
23:11You and I both know it.
23:12Sure, but at least stand united.
23:14Like in 2611, the BJP did the right thing which is going after the government,
23:19then asking for accountability.
23:20Go for accountability.
23:21Because Pakistan continue to bleed us.
23:22Go for accountability.
23:23So, don't let Pakistan continue to bleed you.
23:25Show of hands.
23:26If we can just do a show of hands.
23:27Primarily, we all somewhere down the line agree that questions need to be asked.
23:32Of course, but at the right time.
23:34Right?
23:34Right?
23:35Right time.
23:35Show of hands.
23:37That is going to be right with that.
23:38That is going to be right with that.
23:39Look at Pakistan, irrespective of their parties and leadership, ideological differences.
23:45They have been together against India.
23:47Not true, not true, not true, they have questioned the government.
23:50They have questioned the government.
23:51Not true, they are not even being able to put together an all party delegation.
23:54I am going to end up with it.
23:55No, no, no, no, no, no, this is very important, ma'am.
24:00Let us not always put down also our politics.
24:02We have gone in seven delegations.
24:04We have done well, I am saying we have done well.
24:05We have done well.
24:06I am not sure.
24:07I am wonderful.
24:08Very proud of it.
24:09You know, Puja just said that Pakistan has shown that they are all standing by the government.
24:13Not at all.
24:15The PTI of Ibrahim Khan has said we will not join any such delegation.
24:18Allow me, allow me.
24:20Let us not always put down.
24:22No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
24:25Time is up.
24:26Time is up.
24:27Time is up.
24:28Alright, with that, while we continue to argue offline, we primarily agree with the fact that the opposition is doing its job, but there is a red line where you should stop before you play into Pakistani propaganda.
24:41We end with that. We'll see you next week.