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- Shahid Rind (Spokesperson Balochistan govt)
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:15The same thing happened which was good, which was feared, which was also known.
00:20And that is that India, which was humiliated and defeated when it clashed with the army,
00:25has now come to the same actions.
00:27Targeted innocent people.
00:29Today, the blast in Khuzdar, that too of school children, three girls were martyred in it.
00:37And the driver and helper were also martyred.
00:41According to the latest reports, there are about 53 people who are very much injured.
00:4618 of them, of which the majority are children, are in critical condition.
00:51This is India's manliness, this is India's cunningness, and only soft targets.
00:57And do you remember, some time ago, on the night of 6 and 7, they attacked.
01:01On that too, 15 of our children were martyred.
01:04And about 40 civilians were also martyred.
01:08This is their real status.
01:10This is what it's all about.
01:12And obviously, our intelligence agents and the army also thought that now that they have been defeated in such humiliation,
01:19they will once again start a wave of terror.
01:22And this is not a new thing.
01:24Many of their statements are there, but I just want to tell you two or three clips,
01:28from where you will realize that Balochistan is on their target.
01:32Do you remember that Ilyushin was also killed there.
01:35There were tapes released by the army.
01:37When a few people from Punjab were also caught,
01:39they repeatedly claimed in their tapes that we have a complete network.
01:43But listen to what their elders say about Balochistan.
02:06Once they know that India has shifted its gear from the defensive mode to defensive offense,
02:11they will find that it is unaffordable for them.
02:14You can do one Mumbai, you may lose Balochistan.
02:17There is no nuclear war in Balochistan.
02:19There is no Indian war in Balochistan.
02:21You know the tricks, we know the tricks better than you.
02:35In front of the world, in Balochistan and in Kashmir,
02:39we will have to answer for the atrocities committed against the people.
02:44First Narendra Modi said, then Ajit Doval, his National Security Advisor,
02:49said that if this happens there, then it will be accounted for in Balochistan.
02:56Then you also heard the defense minister,
02:59that Balochistan in every sentence.
03:01And I remember when there were meetings in Sharm-ul-Sheikh,
03:04the Indian Prime Minister and our Prime Minister Yusuf Gilani,
03:07even then they agreed there.
03:09And Balochistan, in fact, said that if you stop helping the Mujahideen in Kashmir,
03:14then we will stop the activities in Balochistan.
03:17And there was also a word in the Balochistan communique.
03:20This is happening at the moment, this is where we are standing.
03:23Along with this, there was a very important meeting yesterday in Beijing,
03:27in which Pakistan, China and Afghanistan's foreign ministers had a meeting.
03:32And it will have a lot of impact.
03:35But this wave of terrorism is now the same threat as before,
03:39that this wave will be even stronger.
03:42I have with me Shahid Rin, Spokesperson of the Balochistan Government.
03:46I will quickly take the latest status from him.
03:49And then Lieutenant General Nasir Janjua Sahib,
03:51former National Security Advisor of Pakistan.
03:54And there were other commanders of the Southern Command.
03:56So he has seen Balochistan at both levels.
03:59He has seen Balochistan at the active field command level.
04:03And later he has also been involved in policy making.
04:06So he is the perfect man to talk to.
04:08General, with your permission,
04:10please tell us quickly about the current status.
04:13What is the latest?
04:15Has there been any update?
04:17Which group is not there?
04:19Because, conveniently, we call everything BLA.
04:22Has there been any specific update?
04:24Which group was involved?
04:53The kind of devastation India had to face,
04:56we had this specific information,
04:59that in Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
05:02under the doctrine of Ajit Doval,
05:05the market of terrorism will be heated.
05:08But we did not know that they would attack innocent children.
05:13There are some traditions of war, some laws.
05:17But this was the last move
05:21that was taken by India or its proxies.
05:24And Prime Minister Sarfaraz Bhukti
05:26clearly said that we will respond to this.
05:28And when we respond to this,
05:30no one should complain to us.
05:32One question you asked,
05:34which group is involved in this?
05:36Look, Mr. Malik, sorry to say,
05:38whether they are terrorists in the name of religion
05:40or in the name of nationality.
05:42When we connect all these linkages,
05:44no matter how many incidents of the past,
05:46whose responsibility, whether TTP has accepted,
05:49whether Baloch or other organizations have accepted,
05:53when we pick up their footprints,
05:56we see them connecting via Kabul to Delhi.
05:59So in the current process,
06:01we do not have any doubt that
06:04all these incidents are from New Delhi or India
06:08or through Kabul or Kandahar.
06:11But maybe very quickly, I have only one question.
06:14We always hear these statements,
06:16that we will avenge his blood,
06:19we will do this, we will do that,
06:21but they keep happening.
06:23Tell us, is there anything concrete that you are recognizing?
06:27Mr. Malik, Mr. Malik,
06:29Mr. Malik, you are talking about concrete.
06:32The person who will be present with you
06:34in the second part of the program,
06:36he has seen very deeply,
06:38as they say, very deeply,
06:40Balochistan, not only seen,
06:42but served here.
06:44I will keep an argument,
06:46maybe Janjua will agree or disagree,
06:48it will be up to them.
06:50But we have to admit that
06:52we have spent 20 years,
06:54two decades, in the war of terrorism,
06:56in confusion.
06:58Mr. Malik, two big documents are considered,
07:00one is the 73rd Ayin in Pakistan
07:02and the other is the 18th Ayin Tarmeem.
07:04But if we talk about the third big document,
07:06that was the National Action Plan.
07:08At that time, some nationalist leaders,
07:10the national level political parties,
07:12in the case of Balochistan,
07:14confused them to such an extent
07:16that religious extremism was declared as terrorism,
07:18but the terrorism based on nationality
07:20was declared as the war of rights.
07:22When we have been facing
07:24terrorism for the past two decades
07:26and to face it,
07:28our highest political forums
07:30will also be confused.
07:32Then we can expect
07:34how big the challenge is.
07:36Recently, the government,
07:38under the leadership of Balochistan's Prime Minister,
07:40has made it clear from day one
07:42that this war has to be fought
07:44without any confusion
07:46and with political ownership.
07:48The previous governments
07:50have clearly stated
07:52that this war is of terrorists
07:54and security forces.
07:56The current government
07:58denies this.
08:00It says that to fight this war,
08:02we need the whole of the nation
08:04and the whole of the institution approach.
08:06We can see that approach now.
08:08We know that there was
08:10going to be an important meeting
08:12in Islamabad.
08:14But when this incident took place,
08:16both the political and military leadership
08:18were present in Quetta.
08:20You can guess how important
08:22the decision-making was
08:24that both the political and military leadership
08:26were present in Quetta.
08:28Thank you very much for your time.
08:30General sir,
08:32I think the meeting
08:34that you were talking about
08:36with the formal badges
08:38and ranks of Field Marshal,
08:40was postponed
08:42at his request.
08:44I was watching
08:46social media in India.
08:48Not in the media,
08:50but on social media,
08:52it was said that
08:54today is Pakistan-China's
08:5674th anniversary of friendship.
08:58There was a message
09:00that we have sent a gift
09:02to Pakistan-China
09:04for celebrating this anniversary
09:06of friendship.
09:08You have served as a co-commander
09:10and then you joined the NSA.
09:12Tell me, whenever we see
09:14Balochistan,
09:16we see it as purely kinetic actions.
09:18This will happen,
09:20we will kill so many,
09:22we have destroyed so many places.
09:24If this approach
09:26had been successful
09:28over all these years,
09:30would it not have been successful?
09:32Do you think
09:34there are any stakeholders left
09:36to talk to?
09:38I am asking this because
09:40the traditional Jamaats have become
09:42completely sidelined.
09:44The young leadership
09:46of the other extreme
09:48is leading
09:50and the mainstream
09:52is forced to follow them
09:54because people are listening to them.
09:56What is our approach?
09:58Why is Balochistan
10:00out of our control?
10:30I have been attacked
10:32personally.
10:34I feel
10:36that this attack
10:38has hit my heart
10:40and the whole of Pakistan
10:42must be feeling the same.
10:44Now, Mr. Malik,
10:46what you have said,
10:48you have opened
10:50the whole thing
10:52and put it aside.
10:54So, I think,
10:56as long as I am with you,
10:58if we talk about it bit by bit,
11:00the first thing
11:02is that
11:04you think
11:06that only kinetic
11:08operations are going on
11:10and no result
11:12has been yielded.
11:14I also went there
11:16with the same understanding
11:18in August 2013
11:20and I
11:22went there and saw
11:24that the flag of Pakistan
11:26was raised and no one
11:28could sing the national anthem.
11:30So,
11:32the very first
11:34question in my mind
11:36was
11:38that are we
11:40winning this war
11:42or are we losing it?
11:44So, I felt that
11:46we are in a status quo
11:48and in a stalemate.
11:50The next question in my mind
11:52was that from whom
11:54are we winning this war?
11:56The answer I got
11:58was that from our own people.
12:00So,
12:02when you have to win
12:04a war with your own people,
12:06the requirements of that war
12:08are different.
12:10So, I revisited
12:12this war and devised
12:14a new method
12:16in which I made people
12:18stakeholders
12:20and then
12:22I will say that
12:24where the flags were raised,
12:26there were many more flags
12:28raised. So, I would like to
12:30say from my experience
12:32that
12:34in Balochistan,
12:36not only
12:38are there
12:40kinetic operations,
12:42but
12:44a lot is happening
12:46for the people and there is a lot of development.
12:48But,
12:50Balochistan is a part of
12:52a bigger game.
12:54So, those
12:56powers which
12:58do not want
13:00Balochistan to be
13:02stable and Pakistan to be stable,
13:04those powers which
13:06do not want Balochistan
13:08and Karachi to be
13:10a part of Pakistan,
13:12they are also at play.
13:14So, don't
13:16think that
13:18we are doing it with a kinetic approach
13:20and that is why it is not getting solved.
13:24I would like to say that
13:26the opponents
13:28are too many and too heavy.
13:30So, this is their input
13:32in between. They are
13:34enduring it. They are running it.
13:36So, that is why this
13:38has not been under control yet.
13:40In fact, everyone
13:42understands that this will not
13:44be done only with kinetic operations
13:46and it is not just
13:48kinetic. In fact,
13:50the present government
13:52and the present military command
13:54are
13:56taking it
13:58to every level
14:00to retrieve
14:02this situation in Balochistan.
14:04But, sir...
14:06Yes, you can continue.
14:08Yes, go ahead.
14:10No, I will follow you
14:12because you have put
14:14a lot of things on the canvas.
14:16Sir, I am asking you because
14:18there are always
14:20things on the ground
14:22that people exploit
14:24and they mislead people
14:26and exploit them. There are issues
14:28like backwardness,
14:30education,
14:32ethnic divide.
14:34There was a lot of division
14:36between Baloch and Pashtun.
14:38Now, all the anger is on Punjabis.
14:40There are a lot of fault lines.
14:42If these issues
14:44are addressed,
14:46then India
14:48and other countries
14:50will have less exploitation.
14:52There is an issue of missing persons
14:54which is exploited a lot.
14:56But, if we say that it is not an issue,
14:58then it is an issue.
15:00But, when we talk about it,
15:02no one is able to talk about it.
15:04I would like your answer on this.
15:06At the end of the day,
15:08there is a population of 1.5 crore.
15:10There is a population of 1.2 million.
15:12There are 12-15 lakh families.
15:14It is not a big population
15:16which we cannot
15:18manage financially.
15:20So, why are the ground issues
15:22that are exploited not being addressed?
15:24Is it due to incompetence
15:26of successive governments?
15:28Is it due to immense corruption?
15:30Or, as the people there say,
15:32you do not represent the nation.
15:34There are very managed elections.
15:36So, the people
15:38have a disconnect
15:40from their elected representatives.
15:42There are many things.
15:44You have seen it in the ground.
15:46That is why I am asking you.
15:50Look,
15:52when I did
15:54soul searching
15:56as Commander-in-Command,
15:58before I could, you know,
16:00reorientate, redirect
16:02and redefine the war,
16:04then
16:06I
16:08honestly
16:10assessed everything
16:12and I felt
16:14that
16:16as Pakistan,
16:18as a state, we have failed
16:20to integrate
16:22Balochistan
16:24into the mainstream.
16:26I took the
16:28direct blame
16:30that we have failed
16:32to integrate.
16:34At the same time, I also felt
16:36that they have also failed
16:38to get integrated.
16:40So, we
16:42are the victims
16:44of misguidance.
16:46So, when we joined
16:48Pakistan,
16:50then along with that,
16:52the process of going to the mountains began.
16:54Then,
16:56after that,
16:58those things obviously
17:00became a military situation.
17:02At that time,
17:04an insurgency of that level began.
17:06So, the response of that also went to the military side.
17:08So, things got worse.
17:10Those things got worse.
17:12Then, some Nawabs and Sardars
17:16got hold of those
17:18fort lines.
17:20Then, many people
17:22connected with Russia
17:24and USSR.
17:26Then, they started getting help from there.
17:28Then, there was
17:30a lot of turmoil.
17:32So, this process of
17:34integration continued.
17:36And then, finally,
17:38what happened is that
17:40even if the integration happened,
17:42even if Pakistan
17:44has integrated in that way,
17:46then a few people
17:48ran away
17:50from the recent
17:52operations.
17:54And it is, you know,
17:56they who are playing to the tunes of those
17:58which do not want that
18:00Balochistan should be part of Pakistan.
18:02So, now,
18:04the issue of integration
18:06has become totally
18:08towards insurgency
18:10and militancy.
18:12And, I will
18:14definitely say that,
18:16you see,
18:18those people sitting outside
18:20are being motivated
18:22by the poor
18:24and unemployed
18:26who are misguiding
18:28and misleading
18:30the unemployed.
18:32So, what are you doing
18:34about them?
18:36Sir, they are being misguided
18:38because they are poor,
18:40unemployed, backward.
18:42Because they are fort lines,
18:44as you said.
18:46Exactly. So, I am saying that
18:48this address which is not happening over the years,
18:50various governments have come,
18:52there is a lot of involvement
18:54and hold, everything is there.
18:56So, why this address is not happening?
18:58Because, when I talk to Balochistan experts,
19:00they say that the biggest
19:02failure which goes towards Pakistan
19:04for this separatist movement
19:06is that the population is very large
19:08and the population is very small.
19:10That is why, God forbid,
19:12Balochistan cannot be conquered, cannot be broken.
19:14But, this is our advantage
19:16that if there is a small population,
19:18why are we not able to
19:20improve it? After all,
19:22there are 1.5 crore people,
19:24almost 1.2 lakh families.
19:26Why is it so difficult?
19:30Look,
19:32in many places,
19:34I am very impatient
19:36because my...
19:40I will talk about it later.
19:42How do I feel about it?
19:44I often say that
19:46if we...
19:48All this population,
19:50on the ground,
19:52because there are a lot of people
19:54in other cities as well,
19:56the present population
19:58is very less.
20:00Look, in this,
20:02the Pashtun population,
20:04Upper Balochistan population,
20:06and Khuzdar,
20:08the lower areas,
20:10Turbat, Panjgur, etc.,
20:12and
20:14some areas of Murree,
20:16and some areas of Dehra Bugti.
20:18If we
20:20take these people
20:22on our shoulders,
20:24if we adopt them,
20:26then we can finish
20:28the capacity of the whole of Pakistan.
20:30But, the thing is that
20:32the strings of some things
20:34are tied externally,
20:36and those strings are moving externally.
20:38And, the hostile
20:40and deeper states
20:42that are involved in this,
20:44they are up and about.
20:46They don't let you sit in peace.
20:48Therefore,
20:50don't slap yourself.
20:52Because, this is not just self-blaming.
20:54Yes, the fault lines,
20:56we have to
20:58definitely address them.
21:00And, obviously,
21:02because
21:04there are a lot of
21:06terrorist incidents
21:08happening,
21:10this speaks volumes
21:12on how they are operating,
21:14and how
21:16they have been given
21:18the liberty to operate
21:20in Balochistan,
21:22how they come on motorcycles,
21:24roam around the villages,
21:26then fire-share at the police station,
21:28take over,
21:30and take away weapons.
21:32So, obviously,
21:34this level of insurgency
21:36has to be
21:38immediately
21:40checkmated.
21:42Sir,
21:44in your
21:46answer,
21:48you yourself said
21:50that the population, in fact,
21:52is less than that, because a lot of people
21:54are working in other cities,
21:56and if we lift our shoulders,
21:58we can lift them ourselves.
22:00My first question is this,
22:02which I want to know again and again,
22:04why were we not able to lift them?
22:06You said, as a state, we failed them.
22:08How did we fail them?
22:10There is corruption,
22:12there is a lot of corruption,
22:14after all, it is not rocket science.
22:18Look,
22:20if you hug someone,
22:22and
22:24they don't hug you,
22:26then there must be
22:28some reason,
22:30but because we
22:32want to
22:34malign someone,
22:36and more so
22:38ourselves,
22:40we talk about corruption,
22:42incompetence,
22:44and all this.
22:46Basically, the opposing side
22:48is up and about,
22:50they don't let them hug,
22:52they keep them alive,
22:54they fund them
22:56from behind,
22:58they equip them,
23:00they make them fight us.
23:02So, obviously,
23:04we have to hug them.
23:06There are people in Balochistan
23:08who say that the policies of
23:10Islamabad and Pindi,
23:12there was a big flaw in them,
23:14that the Jamaats,
23:16the mainstream political parties,
23:18even if they are called nationalists,
23:20they were the mainstream political
23:22parties that believed in
23:24Pakistan's flag,
23:26the constitution,
23:28the law,
23:30they didn't believe in the
23:32political set-up there.
23:34They were given so much
23:36that it became irrelevant,
23:38and now the result is that
23:40Marang Baloch and other extreme
23:42elements have started
23:44representing there,
23:46which they don't want to talk about.
23:48But what they wanted to talk about,
23:50but not necessarily entirely
23:52in your terms,
23:54we have made them irrelevant.
23:56I am saying that
23:58according to you,
24:00who is the partner for dialogue
24:02with Marang Baloch and other
24:04BLA parties,
24:06they must be sponsored,
24:08they must have money from India,
24:10they must have money from
24:12Gulf states,
24:14apart from this,
24:16who is a partner in dialogue?
24:18Is there anyone left
24:20to talk to?
24:22Look,
24:24the political aspect
24:26that you have brought
24:28to the table,
24:30the main parties,
24:32the mainstream parties,
24:34to side-line them,
24:36now,
24:38these things,
24:40without commenting on them,
24:42because I am
24:44one of those who join,
24:46I love Balochistan
24:48immensely, obviously,
24:50you do too,
24:52but I don't want to talk about separation,
24:54and I don't want to talk about
24:56undermining anyone,
24:58but I am
25:00disappointed that
25:02Marang Baloch,
25:04the way it happened in Islamabad,
25:06you made him
25:08such a great leader
25:10and brought him back.
25:12It is true.
25:14So, I would like to say
25:16that
25:18from the point of view of
25:20comment,
25:22the significance of Balochistan,
25:24which the whole world knows,
25:26perhaps here,
25:28such a realization is not there.
25:30So,
25:32now, I would like to say
25:34that go to Balochistan,
25:36go as far as you can,
25:38go to Balochistan,
25:40make people your own,
25:42tell them that we are for you,
25:44you are ours,
25:46like I used to tell the youth,
25:48that you are the
25:50inheritor of this land,
25:52and now you are being
25:54misled on the right path,
25:56and then you are being
25:58misled on the wrong path.
26:00Send your ministers,
26:02Balochistan,
26:04just come,
26:06and sit here for a day or two,
26:08and meet all the people,
26:10listen to their talks,
26:12because in reality,
26:14when the other side
26:16is strong,
26:18even if people love you,
26:20they get suppressed,
26:22and they get scared,
26:24they don't understand that
26:26the state cannot protect us
26:28in that way,
26:30so what should we do?
26:32So, in this way,
26:34it becomes a strange environment.
26:36So, I would like to say,
26:38if you want to win over the insurgencies,
26:40then the one who has people,
26:42who has a large caravan of people,
26:44he will win.
26:46So, please, I am saying this
26:48in a very positive sense,
26:50in a way that,
26:52let me say this,
26:54in a way that,
26:56with the help of Allah,
26:58I, Malik Sahib,
27:00the Parliament of that time,
27:02the people of that time,
27:04the children of that time,
27:06the army, the F.C.,
27:08the police, the Balochistan Constabulary,
27:10the Balochistan that you were given,
27:12why didn't you take care of it?
27:14So, I don't understand how,
27:16so all these people who were with me,
27:18because I was not alone,
27:20they all feel that,
27:22why didn't you take care of it?
27:24So, take care of it now.
27:26Obviously, as you have mentioned in your intro,
27:28that in India,
27:30the bus didn't go with us.
27:32So, there, we showed them,
27:34we have shown them the mirror.
27:36So, now,
27:38he will engage us
27:40in such things.
27:42Sir, tell me one thing,
27:44I am asking you because,
27:46what do you say,
27:48I am pestering you for an answer.
27:50You told me that
27:52they don't understand the significance,
27:54they don't understand the significance
27:56which should be there.
27:58Tell me, why is it not there?
28:00Because, when we talk about Balochistan's
28:02resources, mineral riches,
28:04everyone agrees that
28:06if only the treasures of that country
28:08come in handy,
28:10then all the economic problems of Pakistan
28:12will end. We understand its significance.
28:14Everything seems,
28:16is very plainly, in plain view,
28:18that how big
28:20is Pakistan's economic
28:22boon, this is Allah's blessing,
28:24Balochistan, because of its
28:26resources, because of its minerals,
28:28from our border point of view,
28:30from our security point of view,
28:32how important it is. So, why
28:34is this significance not understood?
28:36This is what I want to know, in your opinion.
28:38Because, you have understood the province
28:40at the operational level,
28:42you have been in policy making, you have been in NSA,
28:44you have been dealing with terrorism,
28:46you have been dealing with everything.
28:48So, where is the disconnect?
28:50What is the reason for the disconnect?
28:56The main reason
28:58for the disconnect
29:00is that
29:02Pakistan
29:04has never been free of
29:06problems.
29:08At least
29:1035-40 years, our Afghanistan
29:12has been destroyed.
29:143-4 wars
29:16we fought with India.
29:18The internal conditions,
29:20the problems, their magnitude
29:22is so much, political,
29:24economic,
29:26we could not raise our children,
29:28nothing, so that Balochistan,
29:30in fact, from all these things,
29:32Balochistan did not travel,
29:34it traveled indirectly.
29:36And those who ruined Balochistan,
29:38so now,
29:40I am only complaining
29:42because the whole world
29:44knows
29:46that
29:48Balochistan
29:50is going to liberate
29:52the whole of Asia
29:54towards
29:56the Indian Ocean.
29:58So, those
30:00who are interested
30:02that these
30:04powers of the future
30:06come out,
30:08they are also very active.
30:10So, Mr. Malik, I will tell you
30:12that
30:14all the questions
30:16are
30:18focused inward
30:20by you and all of us.
30:22So, put some questions
30:24outward and see
30:26what all is coming
30:28from other sides.
30:30So, find a solution for them,
30:32otherwise, we will keep
30:34waiting.
30:36And it is not very difficult,
30:38as you said,
30:40I also say that
30:42if we lift these people
30:44on their shoulders,
30:46the problem of Balochistan will be solved.
30:48So, sit together
30:50and
30:52look at each other
30:54on the canvas
30:56what all is to be done.
30:58It is not very difficult.
31:00And
31:02we can put it right.
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35:48We are favoring kinetic actions more...
36:18...with precision and effective intelligence...
36:21...so that these people are not bothered by it...
36:25...as I did at that time.
36:27In fact, they should keep meeting you...
36:29...so that whatever you are doing is right.
36:31Now let's come to Levis.
36:32The big thing is that Balochistan is a very vast and rich area.
36:36Half of Pakistan is Balochistan, 44%.
36:40And the population is what you said.
36:43Now the routine life, the policing requirement...
36:48...according to this population is called A-Area.
36:52And the rest of the areas like Viran and Biaban...
36:55...where there is nothing, where people meet...
36:59...the state cannot afford the police spending there.
37:06So they found an easy solution...
37:09...to keep the Levis system there...
37:12...because it is affordable.
37:14Now if that system is being misused...
37:18...then you have pointed it out correctly.
37:22I think this needs to be addressed.
37:25And the structure of Levis should be made strong and stable.
37:30They should be given proper training.
37:32And the way you have identified corruption...
37:35...we should also checkmate it.
37:38Sir, we are down to our last two minutes.
37:44What immediate steps should we take?
37:47Because India's favourite target is Balochistan.
37:51They want unrest in Balochistan.
37:53Pakistan is always disturbed.
37:55The biggest thing is that we cannot exploit our mineral wealth.
37:58So they are hunting two birds with one stone.
38:01Tell me, what should we do in the short term?
38:05Immediate step.
38:07Immediate step.
38:09Trace back.
38:10And those who are sitting outside...
38:12...the stars are shaking on their behalf.
38:15And they are misguiding and manipulating it.
38:19Please go after them.
38:21Because the Commander 12 Corps cannot go after them.
38:25So the state must act and react in that manner...
38:29...aggressively, diplomatically.
38:31And whoever is there, ask them.
38:34Tell them, we have two men.
38:36They are causing, they are making us to bleed.
38:39The biggest thing is that this has not happened yet.
38:41Khan of Kulath is one man who is not a militant.
38:45If you bring that one man in a dignified manner...
38:50...and he will also come here and bear the burden of this.
38:55Because India has to increase its momentum...
38:59...from Afghanistan, from the other side...
39:02...they should be alert.
39:05Intelligence agencies should be always around the clock available.
39:09And they should not be allowed to ascend militarily.
39:14If you do not allow them to ascend, then your public will be safe.
39:19When the public will be safe, they will have a sense of security...
39:24...that we are secure.
39:26Sir, last 10 seconds, a small question.
39:30Are we looking at Balochistan purely from a security prism?
39:36And do we need to widen this prism...
39:39...to give the political prism the same importance?
39:42First of all, we are not looking at it purely from a security prism.
39:49Yes, we should look at it politically...
39:52...and in sync with the federal government.
39:56As it happened in the beginning, we need a whole of the nation approach.
40:01So we should not look at it from the other side.
40:04Now we should only look at Balochistan and KP.
40:08We should fix the situation with Afghanistan...
40:11...and fix the situation with Iran as well.
40:14You will be okay, Inshallah.
40:16General Asif Zinjua, thank you very much for your time as always.
40:19It's a pleasure talking to you.
40:21Let's take a short break.
40:28Welcome back to the show.
40:29Raj, you heard the news.
40:31Balochistan is India's favorite target.
40:35They openly talk about what we will do in Balochistan...
40:38...and it is becoming clear.
40:40The problem is what we have thought.
40:43We can see their intentions.
40:46We will have to unlearn a lot of things in Balochistan...
40:49...old thoughts, old biases and policies.
40:54We don't want to conquer Balochistan.
40:57We want to win the hearts of the people of Balochistan.
41:01We will have to win the hearts of the people of Islamabad.
41:04We will have to find a way in between.
41:07The first step is to represent the elected leadership...
41:11...and not anyone else.
41:14Otherwise, it will remain disconnected.
41:16I take your leave.
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