- 5/21/2025
Dalam episod Serious Lah? kali ni, kita borak dengan Asyilah Tan, penyampai radio dari ERA Sarawak yang lantang bersuara tentang isu hangat di media sosial baru-baru ni. Ada yang kecam kursus Masscomm, Teater dan Tarian Tradisional, siap ada yang kata itu kursus tak bermanfaat.
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00:00One of the most boring courses in Malaysia is the Mascom course.
00:04Speaking is also part of art.
00:07Exactly.
00:08Art of words or art of voice.
00:10And people who condemn Mascom while making videos,
00:14they forget that it is a part of Mascom.
00:16Exactly.
00:17Digital marketing, social media, everything is Mascom, sir.
00:21Unlike if they talk to their neighbors.
00:23Like there's no video, there's nothing.
00:25It feels empty.
00:26Now, everything is visualized.
00:30Exactly.
00:31Edited.
00:32Right.
00:33Subtitled.
00:34Subtitled.
00:35Yes.
00:36So, it's all part of Mascom.
00:38Exactly.
00:39So, anything that you do, even if you join insurance, Mascom helps.
00:42Bro, just study.
00:44Why not?
00:45It's not that expensive.
00:46It's okay.
00:47You can make a loan now.
00:48Yes.
00:49You have a lot of time.
00:50Just take it.
00:51Just study.
00:52It's not hard to apply for PTPTN.
00:53Just take it.
00:56This is Serious Love, guys.
00:57Serious Love.
00:58Serious Love.
00:59Serious Love.
01:00Serious Love.
01:01Serious Love.
01:02Serious Love.
01:03Serious Love.
01:14Alright, this is Serious Love Podcast.
01:16Still with me, Haidar Hasanuddin and...
01:19Alia Haslim.
01:20Yes.
01:21Hello.
01:22And as usual,
01:23Alia, every week on Serious Love, we will bring...
01:26different guests.
01:28Yes.
01:29All kinds of guests.
01:30Yes.
01:31All kinds of shapes.
01:34And the best thing is...
01:36The best thing is...
01:37various backgrounds.
01:39When you say various shapes, you think of things, right?
01:41People.
01:42If things can talk, we want to invite them too, right?
01:45But that's the best thing, Alia.
01:47Why?
01:48Because every week, we want to tell...
01:50We want to know the stories behind the guests' choices...
01:53on Serious Love.
01:54And this week, Alia, we have who?
01:56Sheila Tan.
01:58Hello.
01:59Can you speak?
02:00I can also speak.
02:01Me too.
02:04She speaks Chinese.
02:07Okay, you can call me Sheila, right?
02:08Sure.
02:09Sheila.
02:10A radio announcer.
02:11Yes.
02:12Sarawak.
02:13Sarawak.
02:14Where in Sarawak, Sheila?
02:15Sarawak.
02:16I'm from Kuching.
02:17Kuching.
02:18I'm from Sarawak.
02:19I'm from Kuching.
02:20That means our second guest is from Sarawak.
02:22Yes.
02:26Okay, Sheila.
02:27How long have you been here?
02:30We moved here from January last year.
02:33No, no.
02:34How long have you been here?
02:35I mean...
02:36Have you been here?
02:37No, no, no.
02:38Five hours ago.
02:40You're the only one.
02:45You cut your hair, right?
02:46Yes, we washed our hair.
02:48It took us five hours.
02:49Oh, that's right.
02:52Because we're also nearby.
02:53Yes.
02:54We want to thank Shorty Barbershop Wangsa Maju...
02:57...for providing us with a space and a very nice place.
03:00Very comfortable.
03:01Very comfortable.
03:02Beautiful.
03:03And if you want to get a handsome haircut...
03:06...come here.
03:07Shorty Barbershop.
03:17Okay.
03:23Okay.
03:24Back to our guest.
03:25Okay, Sheila.
03:26Yes.
03:27You've been here for quite a long time, right?
03:30A year, right?
03:31More than a year.
03:32I mean, what made you suddenly come here...
03:36...apart from your career?
03:37Oh, suddenly come here?
03:38Okay.
03:39I've never lived in KL before.
03:42And I've never thought of moving here.
03:45Because at that time, Radio Office Astro was there.
03:49So, we just worked there.
03:50But one day, when they called me to work for Sarawak...
03:54...I'm a Chinese.
03:55And I'm the only one who speaks Sarawak language on air.
03:59So, I feel like if I don't come here, I'll feel like I'm at a loss.
04:04We'll learn.
04:05So, apart from career, I wanted to see the events here.
04:09I wanted to know more people here.
04:11So, yes, it's a great thing to do.
04:13So, you're a mix, right?
04:15Yes, I am.
04:16My dad is Chinese.
04:18And my mom is Malay from Simunjan.
04:21Malay from?
04:22Simunjan.
04:23So, it's not a big city.
04:25It's in Pekan, Sarawak.
04:26Oh, the name of the place?
04:27Yes, the name of the place.
04:28It's the same. I'm a mix too.
04:30Oh, really?
04:31I'm a mix with Puda.
04:32Oh, really?
04:33You know, when I came in, I thought he was Naki.
04:37But he's not.
04:40I thought he was Naki.
04:42But he's not.
04:46So, maybe I want to know too.
04:48What made you want to be an announcer?
04:52Actually, this is a funny story.
04:54At that time, I worked at an antique shop.
04:57So, we sold pots, we sold chopsticks.
04:59And one day, I teach people how to play chopsticks.
05:06We can chop hearts.
05:09Okay. So, one day, I got a text from Hits Sarawak.
05:14It was like, hi, do you want to come audition for Hits?
05:16And I'm like, huh?
05:17You mean from someone you know?
05:19No.
05:20Random?
05:21No.
05:22What made them want to contact you?
05:24Apparently, there's someone...
05:26It was a rapper, Ashraf Hadi.
05:28At that time, Ashraf Hadi was working for Sarawak.
05:31He was an M.E.
05:33So, he suggested my name.
05:35After he knew me, I acted in one of his MVs.
05:39And he suggested that this girl speaks English.
05:43So, Hits Sarawak called me.
05:46That's how we became announcers.
05:49So, you started with Hits?
05:51I was an English radio announcer for three and a half years.
05:56So, that's how we became Sarawak.
05:58It's fun.
05:59Now, there's a subtitle in my head.
06:03I understand.
06:04So, you didn't have an interest since you were a kid?
06:08I did have an interest in radio.
06:11Because I've been listening to radio, Hits, Mix, Light.
06:16Any English radio actually.
06:18I like their songs, the way they talk.
06:20And I think the first thing that got me really interested...
06:23...is when I listened to Z.R.V.
06:26He read CSA.
06:28And I was like, if Sarawak people can do this and sound so good...
06:32...why not me?
06:33At that time, I was in Form 1 and Form 2.
06:35But I never thought that I would be in radio.
06:39Like, for real.
06:40So, it was very interesting.
06:42When I got in, I was like, what?
06:44To read my first CSA, that was really interesting.
06:48So, before this, did you study media?
06:54I studied Diploma in Mass Communications.
06:59I was like, yeah, let's go!
07:01Diploma in Mass Communications.
07:03Let's go. MC.
07:06So, it's not like you didn't have an interest at all.
07:09Because you studied in that direction.
07:11So, luck was on your side.
07:14God wanted to bless you.
07:17Exactly.
07:18The thing is, it wasn't even my first choice.
07:20Mass Communication?
07:22Mass Communication wasn't my first choice.
07:24So, my first choice actually was psychology.
07:27And my dad was like, no, no, no.
07:29Because at that time...
07:30I'm sorry, dad.
07:31But at that time...
07:32Sorry, Angga.
07:33Sorry.
07:34But my dad at that time felt that psychology...
07:36...was not really making money at the time.
07:40Different from now.
07:42So, at that time, he had a different understanding.
07:45So, he asked me to choose something else.
07:46So, I said, okay.
07:47I'll try graphic design.
07:48Because I like art.
07:49I like to draw.
07:50So, why not?
07:51So, when I got to uni, that college,
07:54the marketing person,
07:55when he highlighted all the courses,
07:58what you're interested in,
07:59what this course is about, blah, blah, blah.
08:01And suddenly, he looked at my face.
08:03And he's like, Mass Communication.
08:05You talk like someone who should be in Mass Communication.
08:09The way you talk, your personality and everything.
08:12You should be in Mass Communication.
08:13I'm like, what is Mass Communication about?
08:15So, he highlighted it.
08:17I'm like, okay, daddy.
08:19I want Mass Communication.
08:20And my dad was like, God.
08:25Okay. So, we went home.
08:27Discuss, discuss.
08:29Again, he didn't know much about Mass Communication at that time.
08:34So, it's hard to convince him.
08:38So, your dad didn't agree with Mass Communication at first?
08:40He didn't agree.
08:41Because he really wanted me to study business.
08:43He's a business person.
08:45Typical parents?
08:47Typical parents.
08:48He's like, I have this shop.
08:50You must take care of this shop after I...
08:52So, I'm like...
08:54Right.
08:55Okay. So, I tried to study something that he didn't believe in.
09:00But I tried.
09:01And Alhamdulillah.
09:02Ta-da!
09:03All of a sudden.
09:04Today, you've proved it to his family.
09:07Alhamdulillah.
09:08Especially your daughter.
09:09Look at your daughter now.
09:10She's successful.
09:11Ta-da!
09:12That's right.
09:13What about you, Aida?
09:14Before this, what did you do?
09:15Before this, I...
09:17Wow!
09:18Like my grandpa.
09:19I love it.
09:20Yeah.
09:23What did you punch?
09:26I'm just asking.
09:27What did you punch, Aida?
09:29No, no, no.
09:30Before this, what did I do?
09:32What do you mean?
09:33Course.
09:34Oh, course.
09:35I was about to ask, before you became a person, what did you do?
09:37Did you make money?
09:38Because Mix Buddha is cute, right?
09:40Yes.
09:41Huh?
09:42No, I...
09:43My background is in Mascom.
09:45But my major is in broadcasting.
09:49So, it's Mascom too.
09:51Mascom, right?
09:52So, Alia is the same, right?
09:53Me too.
09:54I'm in Mascom.
09:57Journalism.
09:58Oh.
09:59Okay, so everyone's different here.
10:00My major was public relations.
10:02Oh, PR.
10:04Okay.
10:05That's why you're good at talking.
10:06That's why you became an announcer.
10:08I...
10:09That's right.
10:10That and a lot of cartoons.
10:13A lot of cartoons.
10:14But, but, like...
10:16What is it?
10:17Please.
10:18You look like you've been here for a year.
10:20But you can already speak Bahasa here.
10:22Right?
10:23Oh, really?
10:24Okay, I'm glad.
10:25Because when I first came here, I...
10:27A little bit.
10:28I wanted to speak Bahasa here.
10:30Here.
10:31Right, right.
10:32You wanted to speak Malay because you...
10:34Before this, you spoke English, right?
10:35Yes, exactly.
10:36So, again, I say...
10:37I have subtitles in my head.
10:39But I read them faster now in my head.
10:41Yeah, so...
10:42My thoughts are in English, you see.
10:43Even now, I have subtitles.
10:45I was trying to translate what I say.
10:47So, I don't know.
10:48I was just looking at her forehead.
10:50Her eyes were up.
10:51Usually, when she's on screen, her eyes are down.
10:55Sorry, if my eyes are up...
10:57Don't...
10:58What is it?
10:59We're the PMs.
11:01We're the Malays.
11:03No, we're the Malays.
11:04Look here, look here.
11:06But actually, Alia...
11:09What made you today...
11:11Can I say...
11:12That's a part of what you've learned...
11:14From the MESKOM itself.
11:17If...
11:18Like what I remember...
11:19From MESKOM, right?
11:21They teach us basically...
11:23A little bit of everything.
11:25Right?
11:26You get to learn design.
11:28We get to learn how to make...
11:31Magazine covers.
11:32For example, movie posters.
11:34Right? And then we go into...
11:35Writing.
11:36Writing, yes.
11:37English...
11:38Business for English, right?
11:40Editing.
11:41Editing.
11:42A lot of photography.
11:44So, they even teach us also...
11:46I think this is...
11:47One of my favourites.
11:48When...
11:51There's something...
11:52They ask us to make...
11:56Script for TV.
11:57Script for radio.
11:58And so on.
11:59So, that's how...
12:01I feel like, okay.
12:02Writing is my thing.
12:04Suddenly, talking is my thing.
12:06So, what you've learned...
12:08Can be used in your career now, right?
12:11Absolutely.
12:12Yes, yes, yes.
12:14I feel like...
12:15Everything that I've learned...
12:18It's just based on what we're interested in.
12:20Right?
12:21And everything around us is Mastcom.
12:23Advertising is Mastcom.
12:24Marketing is Mastcom.
12:26Design is Mastcom.
12:27Photography.
12:28Everything.
12:29So, we're...
12:31Benefited.
12:32Because we get to learn all of this.
12:33And then, once you get into your niche,
12:35your favourite one,
12:36at least there's an introduction.
12:39Just like you, Haidah.
12:40What's the broadcasting that you use...
12:42In your career now?
12:44A lot.
12:45A lot.
12:46A lot.
12:47Actually, like me,
12:48I learned...
12:49Broadcasting, right?
12:50Broadcasting is mostly...
12:51Behind the camera.
12:52Yes.
12:53We've learned producing.
12:54Editing.
12:55Editing.
12:56Technical.
12:57Okay.
12:58Even script writing.
12:59Everything.
13:00Production and broadcasting, right?
13:01Yes.
13:02That's right.
13:03Production and broadcasting, right?
13:04So, the things that I've learned now,
13:06even when I start working,
13:08it's behind the scenes, right?
13:10So, those things are really helpful.
13:12And even,
13:13there's a part of...
13:14From what I've learned during my studies,
13:18actually, it shapes us too.
13:20It shapes who we are today.
13:22Yes, that's right.
13:23If...
13:24That's the thing, Alia.
13:25If we want to talk about mass comm,
13:27mass comm course,
13:28or theatre course,
13:29all of them are stupid courses,
13:32or shouldn't waste time,
13:34those are really wrong things.
13:36That's right.
13:37That is true.
13:38Oh my goodness.
13:39That's right.
13:40And that's our topic for today.
13:41I love it.
13:42And I want to ask,
13:43for you,
13:44do you agree,
13:45whether mass comm course,
13:46media course,
13:47theatre course,
13:48music course,
13:49there's one course that's not useful,
13:51and not successful?
13:52No.
13:53No, that is wrong.
13:54No.
13:55No.
13:56Because I think,
13:57this is a course for people who like to talk.
13:59This is for people who are not necessarily extroverts,
14:03but...
14:05we were born differently.
14:08Not everyone was born to talk.
14:10Not everyone was born to sell things,
14:12for example.
14:13So, if this is the course,
14:15that can nurture our talents,
14:17why not?
14:18It's not necessarily that people who join mass comm,
14:20are not good at it.
14:21That's right.
14:22It's not like,
14:23there are people who used to be a sign stream,
14:25who studied,
14:26it's okay,
14:27joining mass comm is okay,
14:28they are good at it.
14:29That's right.
14:30It's not necessarily that you forget how to do math.
14:32Yes.
14:33Usually,
14:34usually people like,
14:35old people,
14:36or people who don't really know what mass comm is,
14:39when we joined mass comm,
14:40people would say,
14:41you failed SPM.
14:43That's why you joined mass comm.
14:44That's right.
14:45There was a time.
14:46There was a time.
14:48You didn't know how to do math,
14:49that's why you joined mass comm.
14:50I didn't know how to do math,
14:51but,
14:52I lived.
14:534 plus 4 is 8.
14:548?
14:55Plus,
14:56today,
14:57the phone has a calculator.
14:58That's right.
14:59True.
15:00I'm still waiting.
15:01Exactly.
15:02Look,
15:03I'm still waiting for the day,
15:04that we're going to use the Fathagoras theorem.
15:05Where?
15:06Where is it?
15:07Fathagoras theorem.
15:08Oh, no.
15:09No.
15:10See?
15:11Okay.
15:14Look,
15:15mathematics is important.
15:16Yes.
15:17Yes.
15:18So, it's art.
15:19And people who are in mass comm,
15:20art is not just visual.
15:22That's right.
15:23Audio is the same.
15:24Music is the same.
15:25All that kind of stuff.
15:26So, I don't understand why,
15:27people say mass comm,
15:29is for people who are lazy to study,
15:31for people who don't put enough effort,
15:33or for people who failed SPM.
15:34I don't get that.
15:35Yeah.
15:36Even,
15:37speaking is also part of art.
15:40Exactly.
15:41Art with words,
15:42or art with voice.
15:43And people who condemn mass comm,
15:46while making a video,
15:47they forget,
15:48that's a part of mass comm.
15:49Exactly.
15:50Digital marketing,
15:51social media,
15:52everything is mass comm, sir.
15:54Unless,
15:55if they talk to their neighbors.
15:56Yes.
15:57That means,
15:58there's no video,
15:59nothing, right?
16:00So, it feels empty.
16:01Now,
16:02what is said,
16:03is visual, right?
16:04Exactly.
16:05It's edited.
16:06For example,
16:07with a beautiful audio,
16:08with a mic.
16:09With a subtitle.
16:10With a subtitle.
16:11Yes.
16:12So, that means,
16:13it's all part of mass comm.
16:15Exactly.
16:16Yes.
16:17People who speak badly,
16:19sorry,
16:20about mass comm,
16:21seriously,
16:22they don't understand the process.
16:23Yeah.
16:24And for people who,
16:25maybe not from mass comm,
16:26maybe learn something else,
16:27and then,
16:28they get into social media,
16:30and all that.
16:31That is a skill,
16:32that they pick up later.
16:33But we,
16:34we have been introduced to that,
16:35and it's even deeper.
16:36We know how the industry works.
16:38Yes.
16:39So, for people who just want to get into,
16:41what is it,
16:42social media,
16:43and whatever.
16:44Welcome.
16:45Welcome to mass comm.
16:47I get it.
16:48And like now,
16:49our world is already,
16:51involved with social media.
16:52Yeah.
16:53So, it's all mass comm, right?
16:55Exactly.
16:56So,
16:57I think,
16:58for today,
16:59especially,
17:00if you want to get into any course for mass comm,
17:02you get in,
17:03even if you don't know
17:04what your niche is going to be,
17:05later,
17:06let's say,
17:07event management,
17:08journalism,
17:09broadcasting,
17:10all that,
17:11you can figure it out later.
17:12Or,
17:13if you want to be an interior designer,
17:15it's also possible,
17:16because everything is in there.
17:17Yes.
17:18Everything is in there.
17:19Exactly.
17:20So,
17:21what was your favorite thing,
17:22when you studied mass comm first,
17:24your favorite class?
17:25My favorite class,
17:26personally,
17:27I'm more into directing.
17:30Okay.
17:31At that time.
17:32So, I like,
17:33one of the subjects is directing.
17:35So,
17:36among many subjects,
17:37that's what I feel like,
17:38this is the best.
17:40So, when there are students,
17:42what do we call it?
17:43The assignment,
17:44with the group, right?
17:46You're the loudest.
17:47Yes.
17:48Like,
17:49action.
17:50Oh, let's go.
17:51I love it.
17:52I love it.
17:53So,
17:54did you get a degree at the same time?
17:55No, I only got a diploma,
17:56because the college was closed.
17:57Oh.
17:58Oh, I see.
17:59We're actually sad,
18:00but the college was closed.
18:01RIP college.
18:02Yeah, okay.
18:03Sorry.
18:04But anyway,
18:05thank you to the TV3 Academy,
18:07or Malaysian Institute of Integrative Media,
18:09because of you,
18:11I'm here.
18:12You're welcome.
18:13And thank you to UITM,
18:15because of you,
18:16Alia is here.
18:18Actually, where are you from?
18:19Lim Kok Wing.
18:20Lim Kok Wing.
18:21Thank you, Lim Kok Wing.
18:22Thank you, Lim Kok Wing.
18:23I am for you.
18:24You're welcome to Sarawak.
18:25Yes.
18:26And that's when we want to talk about,
18:29Mascom is a stupid subject,
18:31it's stupid for them to think like that.
18:34That's right.
18:35But when you heard,
18:36the video that came out,
18:38that Mascom is a stupid course,
18:40how did you feel at that time?
18:41God.
18:42You're so useless.
18:43I'm sorry, but,
18:45I'm making money.
18:48That's the best.
18:49That's the best answer.
18:54I'm making money, okay?
18:56Look, I studied Mascom, of course,
18:58what do people say?
19:00Mascom course is not successful.
19:03But back in Sarawak,
19:05what I heard is,
19:06people say,
19:07did you take Mascom?
19:08Do you want to be an artist?
19:09Oh, I got that.
19:11The stereotype is so strong.
19:13At that time, I was like,
19:14oh really?
19:15Becoming Mascom, becoming an artist?
19:16Becoming a gamer?
19:17I'm not going to say no to that.
19:18But I worked,
19:21the whole time I worked like this,
19:23I became an MC,
19:24I was in MV,
19:25I was in,
19:26I acted in Sarawak and all that.
19:29I never chased popularity.
19:31I never chased fame.
19:32It's not my aim.
19:34My aim is to learn.
19:36My aim is to,
19:37maybe one day,
19:38I get to do,
19:39I get to be a director.
19:40Or I get to be a script writer.
19:41Or I get to be a VO actress.
19:43Why not?
19:44So,
19:45and make money at the same time,
19:47delicious.
19:48The most important thing is,
19:49we enjoy what we're doing.
19:51Exactly.
19:52It's not that we make content,
19:54hoping to get a lot of views.
19:55A lot of views.
19:56A lot of views.
19:57Then we want to make it viral,
19:58so we can get engagement.
20:00So, you guys are wrong actually.
20:02Not you guys.
20:03You're wrong.
20:04Yes.
20:05So, to differentiate us from him,
20:07who has a media background,
20:09we make quality content.
20:10Right?
20:11Right.
20:12Right.
20:13It's about,
20:14we give people benefits.
20:15Yes, benefits.
20:16If people can learn something
20:18from what we say today,
20:20I will be very happy.
20:21If at least one person,
20:22that gets to watch this even now,
20:23I will feel very happy.
20:24So,
20:25my content,
20:26even if I make it,
20:27it's not like,
20:28oh,
20:29that's it.
20:30No.
20:31I want people to,
20:32at least appreciate what I say.
20:33Yes.
20:34And maybe,
20:35okay,
20:36if we share about culture,
20:37that's also part of MESCOM too.
20:39We share knowledge,
20:40using MESCOM.
20:41Why not?
20:42Yes.
20:43That's right.
20:44When I listen,
20:45when I watch the video,
20:46I'm like,
20:47I'm okay.
20:48I become human.
20:49Do you understand?
20:50From you,
20:51sitting there.
20:53Bro,
20:54you're still there now.
20:58Okay,
20:59so,
21:00if you watch,
21:01everything now,
21:02is from MESCOM.
21:03TV.
21:04If you don't have MESCOM,
21:05you can't watch TV,
21:06right?
21:07That's right.
21:08And if you don't have MESCOM too,
21:10you can't make the content.
21:12That's right.
21:13You don't even know
21:14how to edit.
21:15How to edit.
21:16Your CapCut.
21:17Even though today,
21:18there are many ways
21:19that are easier,
21:20but that's part
21:21of MESCOM, bro.
21:23That's specific, bro.
21:25Without MESCOM,
21:27without MESCOM,
21:28we won't know
21:29what is censorship.
21:31What is okay and not okay
21:32for us to put on air,
21:34to put on TV,
21:36to put anywhere,
21:37actually.
21:38All of those things
21:39are a learning process.
21:40And I think,
21:41people who make,
21:42for example,
21:43people who don't have knowledge
21:44about MESCOM,
21:45if they make
21:46random content,
21:48then they will be criticized,
21:49who is to blame?
21:51That's sad too.
21:52But like,
21:53I want to talk a little bit,
21:54about,
21:55when there are people
21:56who are also discouraged
21:57about this,
21:58the cost of theater
21:59is a waste of time.
22:00There are many,
22:01like me,
22:02when we are in the industry
22:03of acting,
22:04we have met
22:05many actors
22:06who have a background
22:07from theater.
22:08Actually,
22:09theater is
22:10shaping themselves.
22:11Absolutely.
22:12Many actors
22:13I met
22:14who have a background
22:15from theater,
22:16they learn a lot
22:17about,
22:18they learn a lot
22:19about knowing themselves
22:20from theater.
22:21Yes, that's right.
22:22And that,
22:23I think,
22:24is a very,
22:25a very stupid statement,
22:26when you want to say,
22:27the cost of theater,
22:28the cost of,
22:29what is this,
22:30MESCOM,
22:31all of this is a waste of time.
22:32Right?
22:33I don't believe in that.
22:35I am also a theater student,
22:36back in Sarawak.
22:38So, again,
22:39anytime,
22:40anyone attacks
22:41that kind of stuff,
22:42do you understand
22:43how much discipline
22:44that goes into that?
22:46How much commitment?
22:47You want to be an actor,
22:48you want to be
22:49an actress,
22:50you want to be
22:51any kind of
22:52performing art.
22:53Yes.
22:54As a MESCOM student,
22:55you know how much
22:56time,
22:57and effort,
22:58and sweat,
22:59and tears,
23:00everything that comes out.
23:01So,
23:02the people who took
23:03these photos,
23:04they were like,
23:05you just use your face.
23:06You use your face,
23:07your pockets are full.
23:08Not necessarily.
23:09Not necessarily.
23:10There are,
23:11there are only beautiful people,
23:12but like,
23:13they don't do this job.
23:14Right.
23:15But take a picture,
23:16suddenly become a model.
23:17That's a blessing.
23:18We as,
23:19MESCOM students,
23:20effort.
23:21Number one.
23:22We know that.
23:23But at least,
23:24like Sheila said earlier,
23:25those who have a face,
23:26but have knowledge,
23:27but those who are
23:28talking,
23:29sometimes the face
23:30doesn't really exist,
23:31but you condemn people.
23:32Oh,
23:33that's also a blessing
23:34that comes from God.
23:35Yes,
23:36that's a blessing.
23:37That is fate.
23:38Yes,
23:39fate.
23:40But the mistake is,
23:41I think we don't need
23:42to condemn.
23:43Right.
23:44You,
23:45no matter how successful you are,
23:46you don't need to
23:47you don't need to
23:48be successful,
23:49to be successful,
23:50you don't need to
23:51fall to others.
23:52True.
23:53Because,
23:54no matter where you are today,
23:55if God says he wants to pull,
23:57it will disappear in a moment.
23:58Yes,
23:59that's right.
24:00So why do you need to
24:01condemn this course,
24:02that course?
24:03Even today,
24:04we don't know yet,
24:05bro.
24:06Tomorrow we can anytime,
24:07the content has no views or something,
24:08right?
24:09I,
24:10I,
24:11period.
24:12Directly,
24:13yes,
24:14directly.
24:15And,
24:16if the course is so bad,
24:18why is it being taught
24:19in universities anyways?
24:20Yes.
24:21Why?
24:22Why does it exist?
24:23Why does it exist?
24:24Why does it exist?
24:25Why?
24:26So,
24:27I don't understand.
24:28Someone once asked me,
24:31if we study at MESKOM,
24:33can we only
24:34find a job
24:35in this industry?
24:37I said no.
24:38You can get into business.
24:39MESKOM is very wide actually.
24:40Yes,
24:41you can get into business,
24:42you can get into so many things.
24:43Because,
24:44your basics
24:45are already there.
24:46And plus,
24:47you learn your social skills,
24:48you are right.
24:49So, anything that you do,
24:50even if you join insurance,
24:51MESKOM helps.
24:52Yes, that's right.
24:53MESKOM helps.
24:54My friend,
24:55from his study course,
24:56MESKOM,
24:57today he joined insurance.
24:58Actually,
24:59he learned a lot
25:00how to speak
25:01through his study,
25:02MESKOM.
25:03Yes, exactly.
25:04Proper speaking,
25:05public speaking,
25:06debating,
25:07and so on.
25:08Do you see the difference
25:09between people who don't have MESKOM
25:10when they speak?
25:11With other people.
25:12Right?
25:13But you send MESKOM.
25:14Yes.
25:15That's right, bro.
25:16Just study.
25:17Why not?
25:18It's not that expensive.
25:19It's okay.
25:20You can make a loan.
25:21Yes.
25:22You have a lot of reviews.
25:23Just take it.
25:24Just study.
25:25If you want to apply for PTPTN,
25:26it's not difficult.
25:27Just relax.
25:28Be patient.
25:29Learn how to speak
25:30properly.
25:32So,
25:33how do you have
25:35your answer
25:36if people ask you guys,
25:38why don't you join engineering
25:40or medical?
25:41Why did you choose MESKOM?
25:43Okay.
25:44I want to be a doctor.
25:46Wow,
25:47a love doctor.
25:48An animal doctor.
25:50What kind of doctor?
25:52A cat doctor.
25:53You're laughing already.
25:54I don't believe you.
26:00Because
26:01when people say,
26:02you join engineering,
26:03okay,
26:04you'll definitely succeed.
26:05Yes.
26:06You'll definitely know.
26:08That's right.
26:09But,
26:11what's wrong with joining MESKOM?
26:12Okay, your answer.
26:13Sorry.
26:14For me,
26:15why did I join MESKOM?
26:16For example,
26:17people ask,
26:18why did you join MESKOM?
26:19Why didn't you join engineering
26:20or medical?
26:21But for me,
26:22I just said it
26:23because I'm interested.
26:24I've been interested
26:25since I was a kid.
26:26I'm interested in
26:27arts
26:28since I was a kid.
26:29Because,
26:30when I was a kid,
26:31I had an airbrush.
26:32But,
26:33at that time,
26:34I was looking at people's noses.
26:35I didn't look at people's noses.
26:37But,
26:38if people ask me,
26:39why didn't you join medical?
26:40I said,
26:41I've been interested since I was a kid.
26:42But for you,
26:43why didn't you join medical?
26:46What's my answer?
26:47You first.
26:48Oh, me?
26:49Okay.
26:50Flashback.
26:51I'll think about it.
26:52Flashback.
26:53Dig back.
26:54It hurts.
26:57I think,
26:58when people ask,
26:59why did I join MESKOM?
27:01I'm interested, yes.
27:02Because,
27:03I used to be a TV consumer,
27:05game consumer,
27:06radio consumer.
27:07So,
27:08I always imagine that,
27:09what if my voice is one day?
27:11Like,
27:12one day,
27:13up there,
27:14in the game.
27:15Are you kidding me?
27:16Please.
27:17Anyone.
27:18Hello,
27:19anyone watching,
27:20who is working on Final Fantasy,
27:21or anything like that,
27:22please call me.
27:23Okay.
27:24So,
27:25anyways.
27:29I thought that,
27:30if I took MESKOM,
27:31and if later on,
27:32if I want to continue studying,
27:34the basics is there.
27:36Like,
27:37for my diploma,
27:38I took MESKOM.
27:39And then,
27:40for my degree,
27:41I took psychology.
27:42It helps.
27:43It helps so much.
27:45I wanted to be a counsellor for kids.
27:47So,
27:48if I took MESKOM,
27:49and we've learnt the courses,
27:50how to speak properly,
27:51again,
27:52public speaking,
27:53and of course,
27:54we talk about,
27:55intrapersonal communication,
27:56interpersonal communication,
27:58and all that.
27:59When we study psychology,
28:00it helps a lot.
28:01Yeah.
28:02Okay,
28:03have you remembered?
28:04Yes.
28:05At that time,
28:06my uncles have asked me,
28:07why didn't I take MESKOM?
28:08Because,
28:09when I was in school,
28:10I took MESKOM.
28:11And they were like,
28:12why didn't you continue taking MESKOM?
28:13You said you didn't like math?
28:15Yeah.
28:17Okay.
28:19So,
28:20they asked me,
28:21if I wanted to take MESKOM,
28:22because I wanted to be an artist.
28:23So,
28:24I didn't think about being an artist.
28:25It's just that,
28:26I like to write.
28:27Oh.
28:29If it's a book,
28:30or anything else,
28:31I'm A+.
28:32So,
28:33I feel like,
28:34I should be a writer.
28:36At that time.
28:37So,
28:38that's why I took MESKOM.
28:39I see.
28:40So,
28:41I'm here now.
28:42Is your uncle still alive?
28:43He's still alive.
28:44Message for him.
28:45Aunty,
28:46watch this episode.
28:47It's done.
28:48It's done.
28:49She made money.
28:50Because,
28:51old people,
28:52usually,
28:53like,
28:54you work in a bank,
28:55your life is secure.
28:56If you work as an artist,
28:57even that,
28:58if you become an artist,
28:59it's good,
29:00right?
29:01That's it.
29:02But,
29:03if you become an artist,
29:04it's good,
29:05right?
29:06That's right.
29:07Like me now.
29:08Hmm.
29:09It depends on luck.
29:10Yes.
29:11If people like,
29:12consume our content,
29:13we,
29:14like,
29:15okay,
29:16it looks good,
29:17and all,
29:18how we present ourselves,
29:19why not?
29:20And,
29:21at the same time,
29:22what's your interest?
29:23Interest.
29:24That's the important thing.
29:25If,
29:26if my aunt followed my uncle's advice,
29:27to join an account,
29:28I don't know,
29:29how it is now.
29:30Hmm.
29:31People who work in an account,
29:32or if Alia becomes a doctor,
29:33can you imagine?
29:34Eh, sure.
29:35Eh, sure.
29:36Can you imagine?
29:37If,
29:38if the doctor looks like this,
29:39I'll go to the doctor.
29:42It's been a long time,
29:43the operation doesn't have to be operated,
29:44it's operated.
29:47Okay, Alia.
29:48Actually,
29:49besides,
29:50as long as we are here,
29:53we are not alone,
29:54because we have,
29:55our viewers,
29:56live here.
29:57Seriously,
29:58special.
29:59We have a question.
30:00Hi.
30:01Sorry,
30:02where are you from?
30:03I'm from just now.
30:04Name?
30:05My name is Shahzuan.
30:06Shahzuan.
30:07Okay.
30:08So, from just now.
30:09From just now.
30:10Okay.
30:11Okay.
30:12Okay,
30:13about Cosmexcom,
30:14actually,
30:15this is just my opinion.
30:16Actually,
30:17actually,
30:18I think there are two reasons
30:19why people view Cosmexcom
30:20as
30:21cheap.
30:22First,
30:23people view it as cheap.
30:24People view it as cheap.
30:25Okay,
30:26first,
30:27because,
30:28parents' mindset.
30:29Parents' mindset,
30:30they think,
30:31okay,
30:32why do you want to go to Cosmexcom?
30:33Why don't you go to Medi?
30:34Why don't you go to Engineering?
30:35That's number one.
30:36Okay,
30:37number two,
30:38do you think
30:39it's true that
30:40our media industry
30:41doesn't recognize
30:42Cosmexcom as
30:43cost-professional?
30:44Because,
30:45if you notice,
30:46we work longer.
30:47I mean,
30:48people in Cosmexcom
30:49work longer,
30:50but the pay is low.
30:51Low salary.
30:52So,
30:53they have a lot of
30:54limited rights.
30:55So,
30:56when it's like that,
30:57people think,
30:58oh,
30:59it's late,
31:00but pay a little.
31:01Why don't you work
31:02at a regular shop?
31:03Rather than
31:04studying for 3-4 years
31:05at Cosmexcom,
31:06but,
31:07wasting time.
31:08Because of that,
31:09people think,
31:10oh,
31:11don't go to Cosmexcom.
31:12So,
31:13that becomes
31:14a side-to-side mindset.
31:15So,
31:16I think there are
31:17two things here.
31:18There are two factors.
31:19One,
31:20parents,
31:21or old people,
31:22who think,
31:23of course,
31:24don't go to Cosmexcom.
31:25Number two is
31:26our own media industry.
31:27They don't recognize
31:28us as professionals.
31:29For example,
31:30if you look at
31:31medical students,
31:32they have a
31:33body of
31:34regulatory.
31:35Okay,
31:36after studying medicine,
31:37it's confirmed
31:38that they can become
31:39a doctor.
31:40So,
31:41they can become
31:42an engineer.
31:43For example,
31:44they have
31:45an engineering institute.
31:46Malaysia's
31:47engineering institute.
31:48So,
31:49they recognize
31:50the cost of
31:51engineering as
31:52professional.
31:53But,
31:54if you look at
31:55Cosmexcom,
31:56they don't have
31:57professionalism.
31:58So,
31:59do you think
32:00it's just a gimmick?
32:01Okay.
32:03Interesting question.
32:04Okay,
32:05Haidah,
32:06answer it.
32:07Wow,
32:08this is a very
32:09professional question.
32:10Yes.
32:11But,
32:12for me,
32:13I agree with this question.
32:14I agree with this question.
32:15Okay.
32:16Because,
32:17even
32:18even
32:19even until today,
32:20we
32:21actually
32:22don't have
32:23recognition
32:24for
32:25Cosmexcom.
32:26For Cosmexcom
32:27itself.
32:28Okay.
32:29In terms of
32:30from the
32:31from the
32:32from the
32:33status
32:34status
32:35as
32:36a professional
32:37job.
32:38But,
32:39actually,
32:40there are
32:41people
32:42that I know,
32:43if we want to
32:44talk about
32:45the unrecognized
32:46government,
32:47but there are
32:48people that
32:49I know,
32:50special officers.
32:51Their background
32:52is actually
32:53from Cosmexcom.
32:54Cosmexcom.
32:55what is it, knowledge to organize things related to them, and in fact, they are also
33:02based on the mass comm, right? So actually, I think this is for my own opinion, the mass
33:10comm people who are in the government now, they should be the ones who should be suggested,
33:18because since they are already in the government or serving in the government, right? Although
33:23maybe not a high position or not, but I think they can help the industry, what is it, mass
33:32comm actually, that's my opinion. For me, other people, old people, for example, they don't
33:40know, they don't see the success, what they see now is social media, TikTok, IG, artists,
33:47but they don't know that there are also communication officers at the government. Yes, as a communication,
33:52it's all from the mass comm too, from every, I think every company has their own PR person,
33:58that's also from the mass comm, even marketing. Exactly. Right, so I think that's what they don't
34:03actually see. Right. Actually, the mass comm is big, people can get in anywhere, right?
34:08Very wide. I think that could be the reason too, because it's too broad. So how do you define it?
34:16So instead of we round it all up, so let it break here, advertising here, marketing here,
34:24which I get, if people want to round up everything, what is mass comm really? People will be confused
34:29too, because there are too many branches. True. And maybe it's also like a question from Shazuan
34:35earlier, right? What is it, they don't know, what is it, like a doctor, studying medicine, doctor.
34:42But the mass comm doesn't know what you're going to be. Maybe that's one of the reasons why they're
34:46having a hard time. They don't feel secure. They can't classify it straight away. Okay,
34:51you study mass comm, you will be like this. But actually it's the opposite of us too, right?
34:55We study mass comm, and like you said earlier, right? When we study, we can decide.
35:00Exactly. We study 10 subjects, right? Hey, I'm actually in this direction, right? When we
35:06study, we know. Hey, I'm actually, for example, there are people who take mass comm to become an
35:11artist, right? But when they want to go in to study, actually my soul doesn't want to act at all.
35:15I'm more in the direction of graphics, for example, or PR, right? So actually this thing,
35:21when you have to go in first, then you know, right? But don't you feel that the artist is actually
35:26like doing PR? True. Yes, indeed. So it means the more is PR. Yes, more is PR actually, right?
35:32Other than having an acting class, if you just want to act, what is this? This actor,
35:38he doesn't just work, he acts. Where does he go, he has to do PR. Yes, true.
35:43You can also just treat it like a business too. Yes, exactly. Because we are the product.
35:51We are the product, we are the voice, we are the face, we are the this and that.
35:54So mass comm really helps us to know how to market ourselves.
36:02True, true.
36:06DMA Muslim.
36:07DMA Muslim.
36:08Not the local people, the outsiders.
36:09Outsiders.
36:10Outsiders, DMA Muslim.
36:11But one more thing, I think every course that exists in Indonesia now,
36:18all have their own advantages.
36:20Yes, true.
36:20Yes, there is no reason to believe that the engineer, the engineering, he has an engineer,
36:25he has a medic, right? That thing is good, right? Actually, mass comm also has its own role.
36:29True.
36:30So it doesn't matter if you graduate with any course,
36:34everything will give benefits to our lives now, right?
36:40True, true. I think, again, I would say, I believe that everybody has their own role.
36:48We have doctors, we have nurses, we have people who cook Ayam Gepuk, you know, and so on.
36:54Oh, that's Ayam Gepuk.
36:55Oh, it's delicious.
36:56Okay, so anyways, we go there later.
36:58Sponsor, please.
37:00Everybody has their own role to play.
37:03Yes.
37:03So if we want to be on TV, it's up to you.
37:07If people want to be on the radio, it's up to you.
37:09We come to entertain you guys.
37:11Yes.
37:12So our role is to entertain you guys.
37:13Yes.
37:14Your role is to?
37:16To look for reviews, right?
37:17Yes.
37:18To look for clients to review you, right?
37:20It's the same, there are different roles.
37:23So there is no need to say that this course is stupid, this course is smart.
37:27Everybody has their own livelihood, their own path, and their own destiny.
37:33If people want to learn Mascom, and then want to sell Ayam Gepuk, so?
37:38Yes, you can.
37:39Marketing?
37:40Marketing.
37:40Business?
37:41You still have to design, you still have to take photos of the product and everything.
37:45All is Mascom, girl.
37:47There are a lot of people who want to learn Mascom.
37:48Now they make coffee, cafe.
37:50Cafe, that's right.
37:51Yes, yes, yes.
37:51Oh, I know.
37:52Nasi Lemak Berhantung.
37:53Oh, the owner.
37:55Delicious, by the way.
37:56Mascom.
37:57Mascom.
37:58See how successful he is.
38:00Delicious, by the way.
38:01Yes.
38:01Even dancers, right?
38:03What is this, like in Masuara, right?
38:06They have a class, what is this?
38:08Dancing and everything, right?
38:09Yes.
38:09Look today.
38:10The crazy ones also watch them dance on TV.
38:14That's right.
38:14That's right.
38:15They like it.
38:17For example, in our industry now, Dato Aznil.
38:20Aznil, yes.
38:21Successful?
38:22Yes.
38:23Mascom too?
38:24Mascom too.
38:24And he helps teach the children of Pak Niel.
38:27Yes.
38:28He teaches them how to be a host,
38:30how to be an actor,
38:31how to be a personality on TV.
38:33That's right.
38:34It's not a loss.
38:34Like reading the news.
38:36If there are no people, how do you want to watch the news?
38:38That's right.
38:39Who wants to record everything that happens?
38:42You should believe the stupid news that doesn't have a background.
38:45That's what people like to believe, right?
38:47That's right.
38:48And without Mascom, there will be no ads.
38:51You guys who have a business, who have a product, girl.
38:53Who do you think is writing that script?
38:55Who do you think is shooting that?
38:56Who do you think is like putting that into the radio?
39:01If there was no Mascom,
39:03you wouldn't want to watch Haidah's drama, right?
39:06I'm embarrassed.
39:07Plug, plug, plug, please.
39:09There's no entertainment for you guys.
39:10Yes, just watch it.
39:11Just watch people dancing on TikTok,
39:13watching Haidah releasing a drama.
39:15Oh, how are you guys?
39:19But back to what we were talking about earlier,
39:21it's actually true.
39:22Like Alia said earlier,
39:23every course has its own role.
39:25And all of that is beneficial, right?
39:27Yes.
39:28So we don't have to condemn people for taking this course,
39:31or that course is a waste of time,
39:32or stupid.
39:34It's better if we focus on what we're doing.
39:36Rather than being busy condemning others.
39:38That's right.
39:39Just remember,
39:40all the courses that we learn,
39:42any knowledge that we learn in real life,
39:45it's interconnected with everyone.
39:47Clinics need us.
39:48That's right.
39:49Businesses will need us for advertising.
39:51Everybody's connected.
39:52Yes, that's right.
39:53Don't be mad at people for taking mass comms.
39:57Right?
39:57That's right.
39:58That's the best part, right?
39:58Yes.
39:59Like spa, massage, all of that.
40:01Today, we're using mass comms to promote.
40:04To promote, that's right.
40:05On TikTok,
40:06she showed a catalog, right?
40:08It's all mass comms products.
40:09Oh, yes, that's right.
40:11KOL videos,
40:12model videos,
40:13artist videos.
40:15If you want a beautiful video,
40:16take mass comms.
40:17That's right.
40:18I think people who condemn,
40:20people who condemn mass comms,
40:21they want their girlfriends to be influencers.
40:23Oh, no.
40:25If it's her partner, yes, that's it.
40:27Not far, right?
40:28Wait.
40:30It's okay, if he really gets a girlfriend
40:32who's from mass comms,
40:33not an influencer or someone else,
40:36let his girlfriend wash him.
40:38Let his girlfriend teach him,
40:39you shouldn't talk like that.
40:43I got money to do this and that.
40:45It's all mass comms, you know?
40:46That's right.
40:47I can sponsor his coffee now
40:49because I got paid from the advertisement that day, you know?
40:52That's right.
40:53Don't condemn other people's work.
40:55But actually, it's not just because of the mass comms point.
40:59Don't condemn other people's work.
41:00That's right.
41:01Don't be busy commenting about other people, right?
41:04That's right.
41:04People are looking for halal sustenance.
41:06Why are you mad?
41:08Why are you mad, man?
41:09Let us talk.
41:10Let us play.
41:12And you get to watch us play.
41:13Yes, it's getting hotter.
41:15We have to try to cool it down a bit.
41:16Okay, chill.
41:18Okay, you're a radio announcer now, right?
41:21Yes.
41:21What are your plans for the next 5 years?
41:24Do you have any attempts or
41:26do you feel like trying something else
41:28other than what you're doing now?
41:30Oh, I see.
41:31Okay.
41:33For radio,
41:35I love talking.
41:37I love doing what I do right now.
41:39So, I can see myself in the next 5 years,
41:42maybe still in radio.
41:44But am I going to be a little higher than announcer
41:47or stay announcer?
41:48Maybe.
41:50Okay.
41:56Oh, of course.
41:57I hope that I can emcee a lot of events.
42:01Right now, I'm an emcee.
42:02And I think I would also want to teach kids,
42:08if I could,
42:09kids who are trying to still find themselves.
42:12And if they're interested in this industry,
42:14I would love to talk to them.
42:16I would love to.
42:18If anyone has a summer camp or something,
42:20you want a crazy kakak to come talk to the kids.
42:22Yes.
42:23Me is here.
42:24Just sponsor me makan and hotel.
42:26And yeah.
42:38You want me to talk to your cat?
42:40By the time your cat goes back to you,
42:42the cat will be like,
42:43I want salmon only.
42:45You know?
42:45Do you want it like that?
42:48Can I?
42:50I cooked for the cat.
42:53But I can see that Sheila is a talkative person.
42:56Yes, of course.
42:57Emcee, talkative.
42:59Have you ever tried,
43:00because you've acted before,
43:01have you ever tried to sing?
43:02Sing?
43:04I think I know your voice is good.
43:06Oh, when I was studying, I joined a choir.
43:09When I was in school, I joined Nasheed in Kebarak.
43:11All that I've tried.
43:12I've tried.
43:13I've tried.
43:31I would love to do more acting.
43:34If I could, I would do more acting.
43:37Anyone want to hire English?
43:39Can.
43:43I'm on the way learning Iban, okay?
43:45Just wait for me.
43:46I will be, yeah.
43:47Chinese can do it, right?
43:48Chinese can do it.
43:48Mandarin can do it.
43:49But you can enter all markets, you know?
43:52Yeah, for acting, right?
43:53You can enter all markets.
43:54Yes, of course.
43:54Okay, producer, director.
43:55Anyone, yeah, plug.
43:56Yeah.
43:58Help me.
43:59I want to do more.
44:00Give me more.
44:01Okay, so maybe at the end of our recording,
44:05is there any words for...
44:08All your supporters.
44:09For everyone.
44:09That's one.
44:10Then for the kids who want to join MESCOM.
44:13But they're like confused.
44:15Is there any success when they join MESCOM?
44:19Okay, a message for everyone.
44:23Don't ever condemn what people do.
44:26Okay?
44:27We all want to do our own work.
44:31All right?
44:32We don't stop people from looking for sustenance.
44:34Okay?
44:35That is one.
44:36And for the kids,
44:37for anyone who wants to learn MESCOM.
44:41Don't worry.
44:42Example in front of your eyes.
44:44Example in front of your eyes.
44:45We're here.
44:45We've done it.
44:46And we will keep doing it.
44:48Okay?
44:48If you're not sure what to study, it's okay.
44:52Take your time.
44:53Don't rush.
44:55And if possible, don't be pressured to do something
44:58that you don't want to do.
44:59Because we here, we all love our job.
45:02Yes, man.
45:03We all love it.
45:04We do it with passion.
45:05With effort.
45:07If we get money, Alhamdulillah.
45:09If we don't get it, it's okay.
45:11If we don't get it, we cry in the back.
45:13But it's okay.
45:14The important thing is fun.
45:15Fun, right?
45:15The important thing is fun.
45:17And we're doing it because we love it.
45:19Yeah.
45:20Thank you, Sheila.
45:21Sheila Tan, thank you so much for your time.
45:24Even though you're busy, right?
45:25But you're willing to come.
45:27Yes.
45:27Thank you so much.
45:28Seriously.
45:29We always pray that whatever you do,
45:33you'll always succeed and achieve whatever you dream of.
45:36Thank you so much.
45:36More MC job, acting.
45:39Ameen, ameen.
45:40I pray for you guys as well.
45:42Ameen, ameen.
45:44Yes, okay.
45:45That's Sheila Tan on Seriouslah.
45:47And as usual, every week we'll meet different guests.
45:52Next week we'll meet, I don't know who else.
45:53You guys have to stay tuned with me, Haidar Hassanuddin.
45:56And Alia Haslin.
45:57Only on Seriouslah.
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