- 20/05/2025
The Jury Room S01E02
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00:00In the series you're about to see, we review real murder cases in which the convicted killer
00:11refuses to accept the guilty verdict. Days, weeks, even months of courtroom deliberations
00:17may have been held, but generally cases whittle down into a handful of key disputed points
00:23of evidence. Our specifically selected jury will review the original trial evidence alongside
00:30revelatory new evidence or analysis. Will you and the jury find the convicted killer
00:35guilty or perhaps not guilty?
00:43Hello, I'm Will Hanrahan. Welcome to the jury room. Today we are hearing the case of Andrew Feather.
00:48Here's how it all began.
00:50Barry Selby, an innocent father of three, was asleep with his wife in bed when masked,
01:02armed men broke into his house. Barry urged his terrified wife to stay out of the way.
01:08She was powerless to stop the gang as first they shot her husband and then poured acid
01:12over him. He died in agony a few days later. Four men were to be arrested and later found
01:17guilty, but the convicted getaway driver Andrew Feather insisted he was not part of
01:22the crime. The jury room will debate the case of Andrew Feather, involved in a murder or
01:27innocent, suffering a miscarriage of justice.
01:47Andrew Feather is serving a life sentence for driving three men away from a crime scene
01:52involving what police justifiably described as a sickening and cowardly attack. But did
01:57he do it? Feather's lawyers say he was elsewhere at the time of the murder. In the jury room
02:0212 specifically selected citizens will be asked to revisit the case and consider evidence
02:06not heard by the original jury before reaching their own verdict. Will they find Andrew Feather
02:13guilty or not guilty of murder? First, let's hear from former senior detective Colin Sutton
02:18as we consider the prosecution case against Andrew Feather.
02:26Donna and Barry Selby may have thought it was a nightmare. Asleep at two in the morning,
02:31masked men screaming and pointing a gun at them had burst into their bedroom. This was
02:36not their world. Donna was a loving mother of three. Barry liked football and a pint
02:41on a Friday night, assaulted the Earthman, who that early morning was to become the innocent
02:46victim of a horrific murder.
02:48All murder is horrible, but this is a particularly horrible, nasty murder, both in the way that
02:54it was carried out and actually in the way that the victim was killed. The victim was
03:00Barry Selby, who lived in Bradford. In his own home, the home was stormed by at least
03:07three men. He was shot in the leg, possibly as a warning, a demonstration of force, but
03:15then had acid poured over him, and it was the acid that actually killed him. It was
03:20the acid attack, not the shot in the leg. And yeah, I mean, a horrible attack, a horrible
03:26way to die, horrible, painful method of killing somebody.
03:33Unsavoury incidents are common in this part of Bradford, but the attack in Raleigh Street
03:38shocked even locals hardened to violent crime.
03:41His wife was present at the time that these men came in, and he did his best to protect
03:47her from harm and got her to get out of the way, and she was sort of cowering down, but
03:52was present and heard and saw what was going on in the immediate aftermath. And, you know,
03:58even when the assailants had gone, she was still there and obviously went to her husband
04:03and saw him in this state, literally dying from this acid attack. I mean, it's just
04:12horrific, absolutely horrific.
04:16Police soon conclude that the gang had carried out a gun attack on a house 1.7 miles away
04:22and that the incidents were part of a feud between rivals involving Mr Selby's son.
04:27Based on the identification of one killer by Mrs Selby and Tipoff's, police arrest
04:32three men, when in custody, one unwittingly connects a fourth man, Andrew Feather, to
04:38the events of that evening. He tells a fellow prisoner to contact a man known as Bogart
04:43and gives him something else.
04:46A phone number for Feather, because it was suggested to the prisoner that when he got
04:52out, he may be able to use Feather to dispose of something, and refer to him by his nickname,
04:58which was Bogart, and which was only used amongst that group and that gang of which
05:04he was a member.
05:06Police decided that Bogart and Andrew Feather were the same man. They came across a CCTV
05:11image of four men running down an alley shortly after the murder and not far from Feather's
05:17home in Bradford. They arrest him and seize his computer, which shows he's been searching
05:22Facebook that early morning for information about the first shooting. They worked on uncovering
05:28his precise role in the murder.
05:30There was a suggestion, first of all, that he might have been the person who supplied
05:35the gun to the group that went into Barry Selby's house. However, as the trial progressed,
05:42it was sort of felt that that shouldn't really be proceeded with and the evidence didn't
05:45really stack up for that.
05:47Perhaps the police reasoned he was the getaway driver. They concluded that the gang had escaped
05:52first in a Mitsubishi seen on CCTV footage and then hooked up with another car, also
05:58detected by security cameras, which showed what looked like a gold Astra in the area.
06:04This becomes the key to the case against Andrew Feather.
06:09What he did have was a gold Vauxhall Astra car and the CCTV evidence that says that his
06:17gold Vauxhall Astra car was nearby to the scene of the attack at the right time. So
06:24the suggestion was that he was there in some kind of getaway driver capacity.
06:29Using the CCTV images, police could show that Feather was on the road that early morning
06:34in Bradford. They had established that he knew the gang. An eyewitness came forward
06:39saying that he heard voices in an area of Homewood. He went to investigate and saw a
06:45gold Astra Mark II. Andrew Feather owned a gold Astra Mark II. If he was the getaway
06:52driver, then he too would be guilty of murder. A jury heard that evidence and found Feather
06:57guilty under the doctrine known as joint enterprise.
07:05EVIDENCE
07:09Evidence put before the original jury. Now, our jury has selected Tracy as foreperson.
07:15Jess, our psychology graduate, tell us what was the thinking behind Tracy's choice?
07:20Tracy always seems to be able to bring stuff back to the facts, what we've been told, and
07:24she deals with everything in a very cool and logical manner.
07:27Thank you very much and good luck, Tracy. So we've heard the prosecution case and the
07:31police evidence. What have we heard? What was the case against Andrew Feather?
07:38Well, basically, the prosecution stated that he was the getaway driver. His gold Astra
07:46was seen on CCTV. Also, four men were seen running on CCTV also. He was searching Facebook
07:58for info on the first shooting and there was the witness who heard talking and then
08:08on investigation saw a gold Astra and Andrew Feather owns a gold Astra.
08:15Belle? It was also established that he knew the gang and he was known in that criminal
08:22fraternity and he had a nickname, a sort of gang nickname, Bogart.
08:27There was Facebook evidence as well. He actually went on Facebook after the murder. He was
08:31looking for information about what had gone on that night in Bradford.
08:35With Facebook, I mean, especially living in a local estate, I mean, if a shooting was
08:39to happen within ten minutes of that shooting, that would be on Facebook.
08:42Everybody would be looking. Yeah. It's not necessarily an admittance to guilt.
08:46Everyone's going to be looking up because he's going to be out in that area at that time.
08:50And what are our thoughts about the evidence we've heard?
08:53If the gold Astra, the particular model, is a popular model, I'm not sure. I don't
08:58know enough about cars to know if it's a popular model or not.
09:00It's quite a small area, isn't it? And how many gold cars do you see generally? I mean,
09:05I don't think gold is a particularly popular colour for a car, is it?
09:09Probably not. Particularly a gold Astra.
09:12It might have been his car anyway because it was not far from where he lived, wasn't
09:16it, I think, so it might well have been his car in that area. And four people were, there's
09:20three people we know were involved in the attack because the wife saw three people in
09:24the bedroom. And we know there's a fourth person, which is why we're looking for a fourth
09:28person. Yes, he has a gold Astra. Yes, it's on CCTV. And the Facebook thing is what we
09:34said, lots of people would have looked, that was an earlier incident anyway, which he,
09:38eight or nine o'clock in the evening, which he probably would have looked up and doesn't
09:41really bear any relationship to whether he was involved later on.
09:45What I find quite intriguing is that they suggested to a prisoner that they contact
09:51Bogard to dispose of something. It would be really interesting to know what they were
09:56suggesting he could dispose, what was it he could dispose of?
09:59Why would they drink his name off if he was supposedly a good mate? You don't bring your
10:03mate in to an investigation and sort of put their name forward, do you?
10:07I mean, that was by accident really, wasn't it? They didn't do it on purpose. But what
10:12was he disposing of? And he's obviously well known for being able to...
10:15The man that can. Yeah, the man that can. He's obviously relied on to do something.
10:19Yeah. While you're talking, Eugene, just also, what witness evidence do we have? What was
10:24seen? Witness that started, they heard three men talking. I think they heard...
10:30Voices. Voices. Voices. Near where a gold Astra was parked. And we also, it was established
10:38no, don't we, that the gang knew Andrew Feather. But at this stage, having heard that, can
10:47at least you see why he was arrested? Yes. And does anybody feel strongly at this case
10:54about the crime itself? Horrific. Absolutely horrific. It was made for somebody to suffer.
11:01I mean, just the first shot into the kneecap, you can argue that maybe that's a warning
11:05shot. Unless you're not of sound mind, you know an amount of acid poured on someone,
11:11it's going to cause serious damage. And you've gone in with acid, carrying this stuff, with
11:17the intention to do that. What a horrific... Yeah. That's intentions to seriously harm.
11:22Even if that person's not going to die. Don't forget the fact they're carrying a weapon
11:27as well, they're carrying a gun, as well as the acid. They've got intentions to do this.
11:31Cowardly, horrible, it's just revolting, doing that sort of, you know, this is not
11:36just a revenge thing, this is quite serious. It was sending a message, wasn't it, I think,
11:42probably, in a weird way. Bryn, this discussion about the gold Astra, having been a policeman
11:48for 30 years, what would you, how would you imagine in terms of finding a gold Astra,
11:55would that be easy? What we would generally do is use the Police National Computer, and
12:01you can do various searches in the Police National Computer. One of those would be for
12:06a gold-coloured Astra. If you have a partial registration number, you'd be able to put
12:11the different digits in, or the different characters in, and search that way. But certainly
12:17in a post-coded area, you would be able to find how many gold Astras would live, you
12:23know, the owners would live in a particular area. OK, before the break, you're all confident
12:29you know the police and prosecution case. OK, for those unfamiliar with how a jury works
12:34at a Crown Court, let's be clear, if at least ten jurors find a suspect guilty, they can
12:39return a majority verdict. If only nine believe in his or her guilt, then they return a not-guilty
12:45verdict. Join us after the break when we hear the case for the defence of Andrew Feather.
12:53Welcome back to the jury room. So far we have heard the case for the police and prosecution.
13:11In the company of Matt Stanbury, a barrister, we will now hear the case for the defence
13:15of Andrew Feather. Feather, say the defence, was a young man who simply wasn't the sort
13:25to get involved in a crime like this. Let's not forget, this was a really gruesome murder,
13:33and to assume from that that somebody from a lovely family has gone from being an associate
13:40of some certain individuals to being somebody who is prepared to sign up to an agreement
13:46of this nature, the defence would say, and did say at trial, that this is a quantum leap.
13:54The police did not offer the original jury forensic or physical evidence from Feather's
13:58car linking him to the murder that night. According to the defence team, the police
14:03suggestion that he was a getaway driver was no more than an investigative fishing trip.
14:08They were looking for ways of linking the gold aster to the crime.
14:12The police believe that the killers had been taken away in a dark Mitsubishi vehicle which
14:17was never traced, but they then put together a theory that Andrew Feather's vehicle had
14:22been used to take the offenders away from the scene thereafter as the Mitsubishi sped
14:27off in the other direction. The trial jury heard that sightings on CCTV
14:33of his car confirmed that he had left the area of Homewood and headed along Wakefield
14:38Road to the scene of the murder on Raleigh Street. He had driven the car between 1 and
14:432am, the time of the murder, and then returned to park the car near to where he lived.
14:49It was critical to the prosecution case to show that he had left the Homewood estate,
14:54and there were two cameras in particular that were relevant to that, and they were the cameras
14:59at a location called the Gold Shop and a location called the Galloper's Pub, and they
15:04were effectively the crossover point from the Homewood estate to the location of the murder.
15:11Two things emerged. First, the vehicle used as a getaway car for the first attack may
15:16have looked like a gold Astra, but it wasn't. Feather's car was never at that first crime scene.
15:24That part of its case fell apart in front of the eyes of the jury as it became clear
15:30and was proved that, in fact, the vehicle that the prosecution relied on in connection
15:35with that shooting was, in fact, owned by a taxi driver and not Andrew Feather.
15:42So, having said Feather's car was on the street before the first attack, the prosecution had
15:46to accept it was wrong. As it had already accepted, Feather was not the so-called armourer.
15:51As for the second gun attack, the defence argued that the timings on the CCTV footage
15:56undermined the prosecution case.
15:59The defence said, look, this simply isn't enough. These sightings aren't reliable.
16:03You can't rely on the timings, you can't rely on the movements, you can't rely on a light-coloured
16:09vehicle necessarily being an Astra, particularly when the prosecution could be shown to have
16:15made a mistake in relation to the Raleigh Street case.
16:20Something else was unconvincing. It related to the witness who had claimed that he had
16:24heard voices near to where he then saw a gold Astra. That incident took place, according
16:29to the witness, at 2.20am.
16:33A curious feature of the case was that he said that his clock was not set to the normal
16:38time. He always set it for a different time than the actual time, but that he'd made the
16:43appropriate adjustments. And the defence said, look, none of this is sufficiently reliable.
16:49The jury shouldn't be attaching any weight to this. It's just too inherently unreliable.
16:54It's not enough to prop up, the defence said, an otherwise weak case. You can't be sure
16:59that this was individuals getting out of Andrew Feather's vehicle and running away.
17:04In answer to the prosecution's evidence that Feather's Facebook searches proved he was
17:08monitoring events closely in the early hours, that, said the defence, proved nothing.
17:13Don't forget that the Facebook searches that he'd been carrying out that night, or in the
17:17early hours of that morning, related to the earlier shooting at Raleigh Street, and it
17:22had been proved that he had no involvement in that. And in those circumstances, it was
17:28questionable what, if any, evidential value those Facebook searches had in the context
17:34of the case. It's not as if, for example, he was looking up the victims of the murder
17:39itself.
17:44Well, that's both sides of this story, the police and prosecution evidence and the defence
17:49evidence. Let's be clear, what are the defence saying?
17:54They said they're saying not to rely on any of the CCTV evidence because of time differences
18:00and things like that. There is a mention of a chap who sets his clock at a different time
18:06than what it really is, and defence are dismissing that as, well, that wouldn't happen. I do
18:12know people who do that.
18:13I do that myself. And I know the time.
18:16It's common practice for certain clocks to be set at a different time, maybe to make
18:22sure that you're set off on time and to be at an appointment on time. So you know you've
18:28got to rush. So to dismiss that outright, I think that's a wrong thing to do. The other
18:37thing, the Facebook searches, I don't know what the terminology was when Feather was
18:43actually searching on Facebook. I would have loved to have known that.
18:48It was accepted that Feather was looking on Facebook for information about what had happened
18:53earlier that night.
18:54Him searching for that doesn't mean, you know, he's involved in...
18:58No, no, I'm not suggesting that. It's just, I would have loved to have known what his
19:04outset was, the reason for his search.
19:06Chances are, I mean, what I believe is he did know these guys that committed this crime.
19:13And he probably knew of their whereabouts, what they like to get up to. He's seen it
19:19on Facebook. Chances are he had a pretty good idea, maybe, who committed that crime.
19:24They've got a crime that's gone wrong, and they needed to get somewhere else, didn't
19:29He's probably been called, if he's involved, he's been called in.
19:33Yeah.
19:34Not expecting to be called in, because it's a completely different place than they expected
19:40to be.
19:41It is slightly suspicious, though, how he is searching for that event on Facebook. I
19:45do find that, like, if he did see it, then there is, like, he does have an interest,
19:50so he wants to know what's going on. So for me, I kind of think that he might have known
19:55something may have been happening.
19:57I think even if he didn't actually search for it, he saw that.
20:00I'm sure...
20:01If it helps, in the defence summing up, it was admitted that he was searching for the
20:07name of the family who were involved in the first attack.
20:11Along with probably other people, to be fair. I mean, what the defence is saying, it's not
20:15characteristic. It would be a quantum leak. It comes from a nice family, et cetera, et
20:20cetera.
20:22He wasn't driving the Mitsubishi. He was driving around at one to two o'clock in the morning.
20:27It's been proved he wasn't the armourer. He wasn't the one. That's been dismissed. So
20:30he wasn't supplying a gun, OK? So the CCTV shows a car that might be, well, it probably
20:37is his part near the house, but also they show a car similar to that driving around,
20:41which he admits anyway.
20:43I dispute that he comes from a good family. That's got nothing to do with...
20:48That's what they say.
20:50Nice families get caught up in drug-related problems, don't they?
20:54You often see good-hearted family man shot down or mourned down, and the guy's a multiple
21:00convicted drug dealer, in reality. But the headline is good-hearted family man. So, you
21:07know, I wouldn't take any credence about he comes from a good family.
21:11I agree. I think the whole, oh, it would be a quantum leak to be involved in that crime,
21:17but it doesn't ring very true to me. It might be a quantum leak to commit it and be the
21:22person to throw that acid, but it's another thing to be a getaway driver. You're not that
21:27involved in... He couldn't have caught that.
21:30It's more a deflection tactic again, isn't it? It's a deflection tactic from the defence
21:34sort of saying, well, we're not...
21:36And you could be, sorry, you could say, all right, mate, if somebody rings up and says
21:40we need a driver, without knowing about joint enterprise, you know, because the serious
21:45part of the joint enterprise, you haven't entered that place, you haven't shot somebody,
21:48you haven't thrown the acid, but by virtue of being the driver you're implicated, you
21:52might not know that.
21:54But if I'd been driving around and realised that something had happened, I would be going
21:58to the police saying, hang on a minute, I ended up getting caught up in something and
22:02I think it's really serious. That, then you could say...
22:05Would you say that if you thought that people might take retribution against you?
22:11In that culture, you're saying you don't grasp, you're not going to do that.
22:16But he comes from a good family.
22:19We're not saying he had anything to do with the first incident, and we're not saying he
22:23was an attacker, and we're not saying that he supplied the guns, but we're saying that
22:27he was a gateway driver just for the second month.
22:30So we're trying to confuse everything together, saying he was searching Facebook, loads of
22:35people, millions of people must have searched that.
22:39But the family name, that's what's confusing me is, how does he know the family name of
22:43the innocent victims in that house?
22:45That's happened in his area, and he's driving around.
22:47He'd know most people in that area.
22:49You may search that to see what the severity of that incident was, before you leave your house.
22:53But he knew the name of the family.
22:55Wouldn't you search...
22:56It's a very close-knit community.
22:58Wouldn't you search the area, and the shooting, how would you know the family that would have
23:05been involved?
23:08So that's something that needs to be thought about.
23:10That's one of the issues that you have to consider.
23:12Gertrude, are you trying to get in?
23:13Yes, I don't think that we should say that it's a small area, and that we should assume
23:17that he knows that family.
23:19That's only an assumption.
23:20We can only go on that he searched for that family name on Facebook.
23:24So from that evidence that we've got, that's what he's done.
23:27So he may have known something.
23:30But if they shot this person by mistake, they had the wrong address, would they actually
23:35the family who lived in the house they weren't supposed to be shooting?
23:38No, that's true, because they weren't supposed to be there anyway.
23:40So that's certainly something for you to consider.
23:42Bryn, can I just ask you a question?
23:44Yeah.
23:45When a policeman arrives at a scene, or indeed when a policeman is given CCTV evidence,
23:51how do they check the clocks?
23:53How does that work?
23:55Generally, I used to be what they call a TSU video technician.
23:59So I'd go out to commercial premises, private premises, download CCTV from the hard drive,
24:06whichever recorder it was.
24:09What we would do on arrival is phone the speaking clock to get a time.
24:16That is the correct time.
24:18And then we would calculate, we'd look at the clock on the machine.
24:22So you'd calibrate the times at the time?
24:24Yeah, you'd calibrate the things.
24:26Well, a jury found Andrew Feather guilty on the evidence that we've heard today.
24:32But Feather's family and defence team are far from given up hope that he'll be acquitted.
24:37They continue to fight and to gather new evidence.
24:40Join us in part three to hear the reasons why Andrew Feather's supporters think that he should be a free man.
24:56MUSIC
25:02Welcome back. Andrew Feather was convicted by a jury.
25:05They'd heard both sides of the case, weighed up the evidence, found him guilty.
25:08Convicted prisoners must apply to a body called the Criminal Cases Review Commission
25:12and they must offer new evidence which has emerged since the trial.
25:16That's then considered by three judges who have the power to quash the conviction or order a retrial.
25:21Andrew Feather was granted an appeal in 2016.
25:27MUSIC
25:30A father's determination lies at the heart of the new evidence supporting Feather's innocent plea.
25:35Andrew Feather Sr. embarked on a forensic analysis of every security picture used by police and prosecutors
25:41to place his son at the scene of the getaway.
25:46He spotted on one of the pieces of footage from the gold shop camera
25:52a lorry which had a chicken on the side of it.
25:55And from that he was able to work out, to discover, which factory and which location that lorry had come from
26:04and to discover who it belonged to.
26:06And he took that information and he went to the owner, the proprietor, and he spoke to them
26:12and he asked them, with some lateral thinking, whether they had a tachograph for the lorry.
26:18The tachograph, an on-board record, established that there was a discrepancy in the prosecution evidence.
26:24The time displayed on the CCTV footage was incorrect.
26:28The clock on the camera was 20 minutes out. It was literally telling the wrong time.
26:33The time that the tachograph showed was a different time from the time that was shown on the camera.
26:40And that was critical because the prosecution's case was heavily dependent upon a route,
26:49which depended on these various vehicles having travelled at various locations at different times and different sightings.
26:58And if you knocked out one of those sightings, if you were able to say, well, the time on that is wrong,
27:04then of course the prosecution's whole route, at least arguably, begins to fall apart.
27:10Andrew Feather argues that he had no case to answer.
27:14He had not been in the area at the time he was alleged to have picked up the killers.
27:18The main evidence against him had fallen apart on two pieces of evidence early in the investigation.
27:24Now this third element of the case had been undermined.
27:27The defence case in summary, in the end, is this, that you had a weak case,
27:33the prosecution had a weak case at trial, it was a case that was hanging together by a thread,
27:37it was a case theory, a very interesting case theory perhaps,
27:41but it was never seriously anything more than a circumstantial case.
27:45It was never, even on the prosecution's case, an overwhelming case or a concrete case.
27:52It was one that they chose to put before a jury.
27:55They had a just about tenable case to put before a jury,
27:58but the new evidence has turned what was already a weak case into a completely untenable case.
28:05The 2016 appeal court rejected that evidence, and here's why.
28:16The judges found that the issue about the timings of the sightings of Andrew Feather's car
28:21had been considered by the original trial jury.
28:24The defence then, as they were now, claimed that the police evidence of where the Astra had been
28:31and at what time was fundamental to the case against him.
28:35The prosecution then, and at appeal, argued it was not.
28:39The CCTV evidence established one crucial fact alone.
28:43What that was trying to do, it was trying to kind of prove that Andrew Feather was out and about,
28:50driving around, and how he got to the scene of the crime.
28:55But actually, all that was telling us was how he got there.
28:59The fact that the timings were all over the place,
29:03ultimately it doesn't really matter to what went on at that house
29:07and in the immediate vicinity at quarter past two or half past two, whenever it was.
29:12What happened an hour before and where the car was doesn't really influence that.
29:17At trial, Feather exercised his right to silence.
29:20By the time the appeal was heard, he was repeating an early reason he gave to the police
29:25that he was out with his girlfriend on the Homewood estate that night.
29:28He has to say something to justify the presence of his car on the CCTV.
29:33And, you know, an aimless, yes, I was out driving with my girlfriend,
29:39is perhaps the best way of doing that,
29:42because there's nothing there that needs to be confirmed or can be checked.
29:46So it's kind of an excuse which can't be confirmed or denied.
29:51So it's a reasonable response, I suggest, to his presence and his admission
29:56that that was his car and he was nearby.
30:03At that same appeal, incidentally, Andrew Feather asked for a reduction
30:07in the tariff, the sentence he'd been given, which was 26 years,
30:11and it was granted it'll be 20 years that he serves in prison,
30:14so he's due to be released in 2033.
30:16Well, make some sense of all that for me. Where do we stand now?
30:21Well, he was out with his girlfriend that night
30:23and there's nobody telling us.
30:26Did they ask where he was going with his girlfriend
30:29or where had he been with his girlfriend?
30:31What plans had they had? Just they were driving.
30:35And would you actually be driving round an estate for that length of time?
30:41Is that a reliable witness, your girlfriend?
30:43Has she actually confirmed that she was with him?
30:46We haven't actually been told that.
30:48Where is the girlfriend? Where is she?
30:51As well, with the CCTV, because they weren't using the CCTV,
30:55like this is the street the shooting happened on or the attack happened on,
30:59and that's the car, and then you see them get in the car and drive away.
31:02I don't think it really matters at the time.
31:04They're just trying to prove that he was driving.
31:08Are you not impressed by the father's diligence
31:12in tracing this lorry with a chicken on it?
31:15No, I'm not. Most parents would do that.
31:18Well, you wouldn't do it if you knew he was guilty.
31:22Most parents don't think their children are guilty.
31:25You'd prove them innocent. Difficult to accept.
31:28Yeah, no matter what. No matter what your child would have done,
31:31you'd do whatever it takes.
31:33I feel like there's an element of,
31:35I couldn't imagine my son or daughter doing that,
31:38so there's no way that could happen.
31:40Or that they got caught up in something they didn't understand.
31:44The fact that he was found guilty on joint enterprise,
31:47I think I would find that quite difficult to cope with,
31:50to be honest, if it was my child.
31:52Sorry, in what way, Nicole?
31:54Well, because he didn't necessarily know what was going on in that house.
31:58He might have just thought they were just going to frighten Barry.
32:01That's the big question.
32:03And it's turned into a horrific murder.
32:05He may not have known...
32:07About the aspirin? He might not have known about the acid.
32:10Just the fact that he may have thought they were just going to frighten him,
32:14that in itself is a serious...
32:16It's a serious enough offence to be caught up in joint enterprise.
32:20So he's reckless in his actions to do that.
32:26Also, four people were running away, weren't they?
32:29If there's four people running away somewhere,
32:32did he give four people a lift and only three met in the house
32:35and the other four ran away and he sat there wondering?
32:38If four people were running away,
32:40I presume three were in the car with one driver, which is four.
32:43The four people running away were running near Feather's house
32:47and near where his car was.
32:49So the fourth person could have been him.
32:52We don't know who these people are in the CCTV evidence.
32:55So he must have had an idea something was wrong.
32:58If it was him running, if it was the four men, three men running,
33:01we don't know. So I don't really see him.
33:03You're a massive part of it if you get involved with...
33:06He knew the gang, we're not disputing that.
33:08He knew the gang. He knew of them, they knew of him very well.
33:12They gave his number in prison, his name.
33:15And he was searching that case on Facebook.
33:18It's reasonable to believe he knew something of what happened that night.
33:21When they called him, the big question is,
33:24even though he may have knew of that first case,
33:26so he was, in effect, going to pick up criminals,
33:29but did he know he was picking up murderers?
33:32I don't even think the killers, per se,
33:36knew that they were going to go out and murder someone.
33:39I think everybody thought that it was a scare tactic.
33:43I think it just went wrong in the fact that the guy died.
33:46But unless he knew who he was...
33:48the guys he was picking up, what they were involved in at the time,
33:51could it then be called joint enterprise?
33:53But would he have known straight away when they got into the car?
33:56But why wouldn't he admit that if that was the case?
33:59He would say in court, hang on a minute, I did do it,
34:02but I didn't know that that's what they'd done.
34:06Cos that's then, you know, glassed them up.
34:09My big issue is this right to silence.
34:11I know you can't convict on necessarily, you know,
34:15not actually saying anything,
34:17but to me, anyone that suddenly goes,
34:19no comment, no comment, no comment,
34:21why would you do that?
34:23As an innocent person, why do you say no comment?
34:25To me, straight away, they're guilty.
34:27I was definitely... You beat me to it.
34:30I was definitely going to say the same thing.
34:32If I was going... If I was being accused of that,
34:35and knowing that I could be going down for murder or whatever,
34:39I would not stop talking until I proved my innocence.
34:42I think that's just a big thing.
34:44Why would you not say anything if you are not guilty?
34:48Suddenly, this girlfriend comes in on appeal.
34:52That is very fishy.
34:54Cos you'd say that if you were with your girlfriend,
34:56you'd say so right away. And where is she?
34:59I don't feel like that's liable enough from my perspective.
35:02I think that's just an easy thing to say, I think.
35:06Cos there's not a lot that we can prove or disprove.
35:10So I think that's a very easy thing and an easy way
35:13to put yourself somewhere else, I believe.
35:15And the three other people had already been arrested and charged,
35:18presumably, if one of them managed to give his number and name.
35:21So it's not like he was going to drop them in it
35:23if he turned round and said, yes, I did drive them, but I had no idea.
35:27Why, as everybody else thinks,
35:30why would you say nothing when you're innocent?
35:33It just doesn't ring true.
35:35OK, well, you're drawing your conclusions,
35:38you're reaching your opinions,
35:40I think you're clear on the evidence from both sides,
35:42you've heard the appeal and what Andrew Feather Senior did,
35:45which was a remarkable piece of detection work.
35:48In part four, we're going to ask you to come to your verdict.
35:51Join us after the break.
35:58Welcome back to the jury room.
36:00It's time for our verdict.
36:02But before that, the case for the prosecution
36:05and the case for the defence, in summary.
36:12In a horrific attack, an innocent man is caught up in a dispute
36:15between rival gangs and is killed in front of the jury.
36:18He is charged with first-degree murder.
36:20He is charged with first-degree murder.
36:22He is charged with first-degree murder.
36:24Andrew Feather is caught up in a dispute between rival gangs
36:27and is killed in front of his wife.
36:29Even for a tougher state, this was a shocking offence
36:32and four men are arrested.
36:34Three for direct involvement in the attack
36:36and a fourth as the getaway driver.
36:38All are found guilty, with Andrew Feather caught up
36:41in a joint enterprise offence by providing the means of escape.
36:44Andrew Feather's family have led a campaign on his behalf
36:47proving that some of the evidence against him, CCTV footage,
36:50was not reliable as the timing shown by a camera time display was wrong
36:55and they pointed to evidence showing Andrew Feather
36:58was elsewhere in the city that night.
37:03Our jury selected Tracy, a housing support officer
37:06from Ipswich in Suffolk as their foreperson.
37:08Tracy, you're the person I'm going to ask to collate the verdicts,
37:11guilty and not guilty, but it is your turn.
37:14Your time now, jury room, to tell us what you think, guilty or not.
37:18I can't actually see any concrete evidence
37:21to show that Feather was driving the car.
37:24We've got CCTV footage which shows a car which could be.
37:27I think the thing with the chicken lorry is by the by, really.
37:32It was thrown out that he was the armourer.
37:36The only thing is he does know the gang and they have got his phone number.
37:40The Facebook thing I think is irrelevant really
37:42because I think a lot of people might well have been trying
37:45to find out what's happening in the local area.
37:48When I was in the fire service, if there was a fire, everyone would be there
37:51and that was before Facebook.
37:53But for me, I'm just a little worried
37:55that there just isn't a concrete evidence.
37:58So even though the family wasn't the family that was supposed to be targeted
38:03and he searched the name of that family...
38:07He was trying to.
38:09That's irrelevant, isn't it?
38:11Yeah, totally because it was also proven he wasn't there.
38:14But someone surely then must have told him.
38:17Somebody could have called him and said, guess what?
38:20It might not have been the actual killers, it could have been another phone call.
38:23I think it was based on the fact that communities talk to each other like that.
38:27I don't know many communities that are kind of like that.
38:30I actually do know that through the use of Facebook.
38:33Sorry, just one at a time, guys. I'm not hearing.
38:36Kim, you were saying?
38:38I was saying I can confirm that's how it works
38:40because I'm in a community that is just spread near and far.
38:46If something happens in the locality, within the locality,
38:49within ten minutes, everyone knows about it.
38:51I totally agree that within the community, you'll know about it.
38:54But for me... Within the Facebook community, anyway.
38:56I still don't think that we should just take off that evidence.
38:59I still do think that we should consider it
39:01because the thing is that you're searching the family name.
39:04You're trying to search it anyway, so you know something.
39:07You have some type of inside sight to what these people are doing.
39:11So I don't think, from my perspective, we should rule that out completely.
39:15I think, like, I personally do still slightly consider that Facebook search.
39:20If he was the getaway driver and there's been all this stuff happening...
39:25Can you imagine how dramatic it would be when they got in the car
39:28and acid and everybody cursing and swearing and running and here and there?
39:32And he gets home and he starts looking on Facebook.
39:35But he wasn't out and about, apparently.
39:37Well, he was with his girlfriend, but...
39:39He's out with his girlfriend, that's right.
39:41But, I mean, it's still...
39:43Either way, don't you find looking... Well, I don't know.
39:46I don't know.
39:47The pretense as well of when you see something popping up
39:51is because, obviously, everybody's awake.
39:53But at three o'clock in the morning, not that many people are going to be awake.
39:57Yeah, maybe the very, very immediate vicinity would hear the original shots.
40:03Yeah.
40:04But I don't understand why lots of people would be on Facebook
40:07sharing stuff at three o'clock in the morning.
40:09I agree.
40:10It all depends what shift you work, doesn't it?
40:12But you still not see the feed, though?
40:14You'd have to be awake at three o'clock in the morning to see the feed.
40:17It wasn't a feed he was trying to search.
40:19He was making that effort.
40:21But nothing actually puts him outside that house, does it?
40:24No.
40:25Nothing puts him there.
40:26There's no eyewitnesses, there's no forensic evidence.
40:30To put him outside that house in a black Mitsubishi or any other vehicle...
40:34Would you be outside that house?
40:36If you're in a gang and you planned an attack on someone,
40:41whether it was supposed to be murder or not,
40:44wouldn't you make sure everything goes to plan?
40:47So I'm not going to be...
40:49Our getaway car won't be just hanging out outside of the house
40:52because it will draw attention to people when you hear gunshots.
40:56The first attack was they used a taxi.
40:59So it was an unwilling participant, probably a taxi driver.
41:02Supposing the Mitsubishi's ditched and then he goes to his own car.
41:07But there's no evidence that the three murderers went into the...
41:11I think the point that was made as well,
41:14that we can't actually put him at the scene.
41:17But I think we can kind of connect the dots a little bit,
41:20that these people were using his name, his code name,
41:23and they were trying to contact him.
41:25So I think we can make a link there,
41:27that there is some type of relationship between these people,
41:30which may put him there, but is it certain enough?
41:33He knows more than he's willing to say.
41:36I just feel like he hasn't got a big alibi.
41:40This girlfriend hasn't surfaced to corroborate his story.
41:44There are a couple of things. There's the unknown Mitsubishi.
41:48That could have been a vehicle which Feather has had access to
41:53which was used for this crime.
41:56But the other thing, we're talking early hours of the morning.
41:59There were four people seen running away from something.
42:03Was it near his house, the four people?
42:05The four people was near his house.
42:07How do we know they didn't go to his house and knock on his door?
42:11We don't, but there were four people seen running from something
42:17and his car was seen nearby.
42:22And that's what we know.
42:23How many groups of four people would be running about that housing estate
42:27at that time of the morning?
42:29I would say, me being on patrol,
42:32very rarely do you see a group of four people running about
42:36unless they've looked at something off-land.
42:38But that still doesn't necessarily make him to that car.
42:40Also, don't forget, he did live in that area.
42:42His car will be in that area.
42:43Yes, I know.
42:44But we think we've got three bodies who have been arrested.
42:49He is arrested some time afterwards,
42:51after his phone number's been passed by one of the gang members
42:55to somebody else.
42:56Can you ring him on this number?
42:58So they knew him quite well for somebody to have his mobile phone number
43:03in their heads, in their memories.
43:05It's not something that, you know...
43:07I don't even know the ex-wife's phone number.
43:10They could all be on to the same football team.
43:12That could be a linkage.
43:13That's how they've got the phone number.
43:15He must have picked up my phone number.
43:18He must have given them the phone number.
43:20They must be really close.
43:21If you're in a football team, you all want contact numbers.
43:24He wouldn't have been having the number.
43:26He would have...
43:27The guy would have had to loan the number.
43:30I don't know my mother's number.
43:32To know a number, you have to dial it.
43:34How many times these days do you dial an actual number?
43:36Because you use the names on the phone.
43:38So that's like a phone box.
43:40You don't have a phone and you...
43:41Someone to pick you up.
43:43What year was all of this, though?
43:45My boyfriend was 10 years ago.
43:47Excuse me, Kim, for interrupting. I do apologise.
43:49What do you make of this concept
43:51that you hear a lot from police and prosecution
43:53when they say it's the totality of the evidence?
43:57You can pick that bit and pull it apart
43:59and pick that bit and pull it apart and so on.
44:02But look at the whole event.
44:04What do you make of that?
44:06It's all ifs and buts and whys and...
44:08But it's...
44:10At the end of the day, somebody's been murdered with acid.
44:15All the ifs and buts that you mentioned...
44:18Who's done it?
44:20All the ifs and buts you mentioned all funnel into one target.
44:24And that target is Feather.
44:27So, the time's come for you to make whatever last points you want to
44:30for those jurors that you think aren't in the same wavelength as you
44:34and the other way around, because in a few moments
44:36I'll be asking for your verdict.
44:38Well, I'm still on the same opinion that I was before,
44:40which I don't see there's enough evidence to convict him.
44:44The fact that they had his number,
44:47I'm sure those three guys together probably had lots of the same numbers
44:51and did they look into all of those as well?
44:53If it is just the thing they gave a prisoner,
44:55he could get rid of something.
44:57Again, you're relying on the prisoner, no disrespect.
44:59But for me, he hasn't been seen.
45:02There's no concrete evidence, is what I said earlier,
45:05and I still think it's...
45:07He wasn't seen with these people, so they could have panicked.
45:09No, he wasn't. Four people were seen.
45:11And voices were heard, nothing specifically was detailed, what was said.
45:15OK, Tracy, I'm going to ask you now to collate our verdicts,
45:18because it is that time in the jury room where I ask you the key question.
45:22I'm going to start with Bryn, 30 years of policeman.
45:26Do you find Andrew Feather guilty or not guilty?
45:30Guilty.
45:32And next to you, Gurpreet, work in a shop, you live in the back country.
45:36Do you find Andrew Feather guilty or not guilty?
45:40Guilty.
45:42Let's swap sides now and join full-time carer Kerry.
45:45Kerry, do you find Andrew Feather guilty or not guilty?
45:50Guilty.
45:52And Janet, a nurse, next to you.
45:54Do you find Andrew Feather guilty or not guilty?
45:57Not guilty.
45:59OK, let's move down the line.
46:01Trevor, a retired fireman, do you find Andrew Feather guilty or not guilty?
46:04Not guilty.
46:06Make-up artist Adrian, sitting next to you.
46:08Do you find Andrew Feather guilty or not guilty?
46:10Not guilty.
46:12Jess, next to Adrian.
46:14Do you find Andrew Feather guilty or not guilty?
46:17Guilty.
46:19And Kim, the last lady on your side.
46:21Do you find Andrew Feather guilty or not guilty?
46:23Not guilty.
46:25Moving back now to Nicole.
46:27Do you find Andrew Feather guilty or not guilty?
46:29Not guilty.
46:31And Kate, Andrew Feather guilty or not guilty?
46:33Guilty.
46:35And Belle, your verdict, please, on Andrew Feather.
46:37Guilty or not guilty?
46:39Not guilty.
46:41Finally, four-person, Tracy.
46:43Do you find Andrew Feather guilty or not guilty?
46:45Guilty.
46:47You have the verdicts in front of you.
46:49Please stand and return your verdict.
46:51In the case of Andrew Feather,
46:53does the jury room find Andrew Feather guilty or not guilty?
46:55Not guilty.
46:58Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen of our jury.
47:02This has been a for-television trial
47:04based on the facts and the evidence
47:06established in the case against Andrew Feather.
47:08The jurors are members of the public.
47:10They've made their own decisions.
47:12Andrew Feather is currently serving a minimum of 20 years,
47:15but he and his family continue to protest his innocence.
47:18What's your verdict?
47:20We'll see you next time on the jury room.
47:27This has been a for-television trial
47:29based on the facts and the evidence
47:31established in the case against Andrew Feather.
47:33The jurors are members of the public.
47:35They've made their own decisions.
47:37What's your verdict?
47:39We'll see you next time on the jury room.
47:41This has been a for-television trial
47:43based on the facts and the evidence
47:45established in the case against Andrew Feather.
47:47The jury room.
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