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Chuck Edwards Presses Witness On Why the Federal Judiciary Lacks An Inspector General
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5/19/2025
During a House Appropriations Committee hearing last week, Rep. Chuck Edwards (R-NC) questioned Robert Conrad, the Secretary of the Judicial Conference, about the Federal Judiciary’s lack of Inspector General.
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The gentleman's time has expired.
00:01
I now recognize the gentleman from North Carolina, my friend, Representative Edwards, for five minutes.
00:06
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
00:07
Judge Conrad, with over 800 federally owned or leased court facilities, the judiciary is one of GSA's three largest tenants.
00:18
How have organizational changes in the GSA affected the facilities of the federal judiciary?
00:25
We have an ongoing relationship with the GSA, both in terms of courthouse construction and maintenance.
00:35
We have historically asked for more than they can deliver with respect to their funding.
00:43
I mentioned the Puerto Rico emergency situation where the courthouse is outdated, unsafe, and built on a seismic fault line.
00:53
In a district where there's a very high-value violent crime caseload.
01:00
And so there's ongoing efforts at doing things efficiently, but the ability to maintain our courts,
01:13
and particularly our older courts, is in good times stress, but in these times a real challenge for us.
01:19
And so I've met recently with the public building commissioner.
01:24
We have ongoing dialogue with the GSA.
01:28
We've actually, in light of some recent developments, had the ability to hire some really competent GSA people
01:35
who turned out looking for jobs.
01:38
And they've come with us and bring with them a real knowledge of how things work on the other side
01:44
and enable us to communicate better.
01:48
I recognize that 10 federal courthouses appeared on the now-redacted list of non-core federal facilities released by the GSA.
01:58
Six courthouses currently appear on GSA's list of assets identified for accelerated disposition.
02:05
How frequently does the judiciary dispose of properties from the real estate portfolios?
02:11
We have a space and facilities committee of the Judicial Conference that looks at this question with some degree of intensity.
02:22
I can speak from the district that you come from in the Western District of North Carolina.
02:27
We, years ago, had five federal courthouses.
02:31
We now have three.
02:33
And so that's an ongoing examination by our branch.
02:40
And caseload changes, population changes, are all taken into consideration.
02:46
Resident or non-resident judges in courthouses impact the decision whether to close a courthouse or not.
02:54
I've had three conversations this week with different judges across the country who are actively considering
03:01
whether to close down a courthouse or keep it open.
03:06
And so I think with our budget requests, we're also acting responsibly to try to contain our courthouse footprint
03:17
and ask you for funding only when it's absolutely necessary.
03:21
Does the judiciary currently own or lease any courtroom or office space that's not currently occupied or in use?
03:32
I don't have on the top of my head the number of, you're asking about non-resident judge courthouses?
03:42
Well, any federal courthouse or office.
03:46
There are districts that have courthouses where judges travel from one courthouse to another
03:52
to serve the needs of a different division.
03:54
I don't have the exact number of those courthouses.
03:58
Final question is, when preparing for hearings like this one,
04:02
I typically find Inspector General Reports to be a really good resource for information
04:08
on how agencies can improve their performance.
04:11
And I really was intrigued to learn that while the Department of Justice has an Inspector General,
04:19
the federal judiciary does not.
04:22
And I was just curious to know your thoughts on why or why not should the federal judiciary have an Inspector General?
04:31
We are a separate and independent branch of government that is decentralized in its structure.
04:43
And we don't have a single Inspector General audit.
04:47
We have approximately 100 audits that go on every year from the various district courts across the country.
04:55
We have an audit committee.
04:58
Our governance is through the judicial conference, as you know.
05:02
And we have 25 different judicial conference committees made up of volunteer judges
05:07
and others who create policy for us, conduct audits.
05:14
We have access to CPA firms that conduct audits for us.
05:20
And our belief is that we're very responsible in the use of the funds that you give us
05:28
and that we're very careful with our judicial conference audit committee,
05:33
with our budget committee, and the other structure that we have in place.
05:37
And although we don't have a single IG audit that you speak of,
05:43
we have the information necessary to tell you where the money is spent and how we're using it.
05:51
I appreciate your time.
05:53
The Chair and our...
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