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Is Donald Trump the peacemaker he claims to be — or just another power player? While he calls for peace in Ukraine, he has also launched strikes in Yemen, threatened Iran, and aligned with Israel in ways no other U.S. president has. His actions and rhetoric often conflict, leaving many to question: Can Trump truly deliver peace, or is it all part of the show?  Join Wilmer Leon, Misty Winston, and Kyle Anzalone as they debate Trump’s foreign policy legacy and whether his unconventional diplomacy could reshape the global order — or destabilize it further.  #CrossTalk #DonaldTrump #PeaceOrPolitics #UkraineCrisis #MiddleEastPolicy #YemenWar #IranTensions #TrumpAndIsrael #Geopolitics #USForeignPolicy #TrumpPeacePlan #DiplomacyOrDrama #MistyWinston #WilmerLeon #KyleAnzalone #RTCrossTalk #GlobalStability #TrumpDoctrine #PeacemakerDebate #InternationalRelations

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00:00Hello and welcome to Crosstalk, where all things are considered. I'm Peter Lavelle.

00:26Is Donald Trump a peacemaker? It is probably fair to say the jury is still out. He says he wants

00:31peace in Ukraine. He bombed Yemen. He certainly is approaching Israel in an unprecedented way.

00:37Trump threatens Iran while calling for peace. He's surprising us, but can he bring peace?

01:12As well as co-host of Conflicts of Interest. All right. Crosstalk rules and effect. That means

01:17you can jump anytime you want. And I always appreciate it. All right, Kyle, I want to start

01:21out with you. As I said in my introduction, a question is, is Donald Trump a peacemaker? Because

01:27over the last few days, I think he surprised the hell out of all of us. Okay. Particularly his

01:33nuanced stance towards Israel. I don't know if that's going to be a longstanding approach.

01:39Um, he did cultivate relations in, um, the Middle East. Um, he said this, which I think is

01:47extraordinary. Um, the so-called nation builders wrecked far more nations than they built. And the

01:54interventionists were interfering in complex societies that they did not even understand

02:00themselves. I mean, has he been watching this program? Because that is basically the approach

02:05I've been taking for 15 years. Kyle, what is it a nuanced foreign policy? Is it just confused?

02:13Uh, is it, um, you know, throwing something against the wall and see what sticks? Kyle.

02:18Yeah. So I would say that Donald Trump is not a peacemaker. And of those three, I would say

02:24confused is probably the best one to pick. Um, you know, he is willing to move outside of the

02:31consensus to float ideas. And this is clearly a pre-written statement that, that he's not speaking

02:38off the cuff. I don't think we're getting Trump's true ideas with that statement, but he is willing

02:45to put somebody in his administration and somebody at a fairly high level that they were able to write

02:50this. And the president and his first overseas trip, giving a major address, was willing to say

02:55it. And there is some significance to that. And that this kind of rhetoric is popular and it resonates

03:02is also important because it shows the political shift in the United States. And so we should,

03:07you know, really celebrate it and tout it. However, if you look at Trump's history during his first

03:12administration and everything he's done so far, you certainly can't say Trump's a peacemaker.

03:17And as great as it is that he agreed to stop bombing Yemen, I don't see any reason why he won't

03:22just start bombing Yemen again next week, given how he he's governed so far during his administration.

03:28It's great that he's been somewhat less friendly with Tel Aviv at points than Joe Biden was, but

03:35he hasn't done anything to change the U S Israeli relationship. The under his watch, the,

03:40the Palestinians of Gaza are starving mass famine across the strip and he's allowing it to happen.

03:47And so, and we're no closer to end to the war in Ukraine.

03:52You know, Misty, I'm glad that Kyle brought that up because when I saw that this, the,

03:57the reference that I made, the fragment from the speech he made, everybody in the audience knew,

04:02knew that already. Nobody in the Middle East listening to that speech was surprised by it.

04:07Maybe they were just kind of surprised by the admission, but the, the, the, the, the simple facts

04:13that the United States overly meddles, threatens and destroys countries at will. So it was no surprise

04:20there. But Misty, Kyle's right. This was for the base. The base liked to hear this.

04:27Yes. And that's, I'm never really impressed with rhetoric, right? I mean, politicians say lots of

04:31things all of the time and very rarely do they ever mean what they actually say. But I do think that

04:36what Trump is very adept at, what he's very talented at is knowing his audience. He knows

04:41who he's speaking to. He knows what they need and want to hear. And he's great at delivering that when

04:46he thinks that's necessary or required. And I think what Kyle said is very important because

04:50I think really around the time of, you know, 20, the 2020 election, we really started to see foreign

04:57policy become a more central talking point and focus point for the American public than we really

05:03ever have. And now certainly with the, with the situation in Gaza, foreign policy has really

05:09become something that American people are very concerned with. And that hasn't always been the

05:13case. It's always been more of a back burner issue. So I do think that seeing Trump making

05:18these statements and realizing that he kind of has to, that does show a significant shift,

05:22at least in the public consciousness of the American people.

05:26Yeah. Wilmer, rhetoric is one thing, actions are another, because as we speak right now,

05:31there are talks going on in Istanbul and the Trump people as confused as they are,

05:39can't seem to come to the realization that the United States cannot mediate or broker an end of

05:46this conflict while at this same time being a co-belligerent. Trump's big words all ended in a

05:51day, all ended by Easter, all ended whatever. It's being put to the test right now. And as I speak,

05:58as we do this program, I'm not optimistic he's going to get the result he wants. And maybe it's

06:04planned, maybe it's designed to fail. We'll see. Wilmer, go ahead.

06:07Well, I, to that, I'd have to first ask what result does he want? Because I don't, I don't know

06:14that we know the answer to that question. If I can just quickly take a step back. I think Kyle,

06:20again, absolutely right. Trump is a transactional peacemaker, which means he's not a peacemaker.

06:28And his primary concern seems to be acquisition of property. So, and what triggered this to me

06:38was the commercial that they ran when he was, I think he was in Qatar and they showed Trump Tower

06:43coming soon. So, you know, that, that, that says to me that this is really about real estate

06:52acquisition and nothing to do with peace, because if this had been about peace, he would have told

06:59Netanyahu very clearly Marines or U.S. Marines are going to land. They're going to, I've talked to

07:05Al-Sisi. We're bringing the aid to Gaza. The firing is going to stop tomorrow and this is going to end.

07:12And, and so now to, to, to, to the question that, that you posed, uh, I find the whole, uh,

07:18Turkeya thing to, this really seemed to be Zelensky challenging Putin. I'm going to meet you in,

07:26in Turkey on Monday. You don't get to call those, call those shots. No, somebody needs to let him know

07:33he's losing this effort. If not, has lost this effort. I found it interesting that

07:40Putin withheld telling the, uh, telling Zelensky the team he was going to send. And so Zelensky

07:51sends his team. That seemed to me to be a real poker play. President Putin just wanted to find

07:58out who Turkey was going to say, I mean, who, who Zelensky was going to send. And the final point

08:04to me here is it's who's controlling the Ukrainian policy, because it really seems to have shifted

08:14from Ukraine being a vassal of the United States. This bring up being a U S proxy war to now the

08:23Europeans are controlling this through the Ukraine defense coordination group.

08:28Yeah. It's kind of like foster care. It's, it's interesting here. Um, it, it, it, yeah, exactly.

08:35Um, uh, the, the, the, it seems to me, this is just more kind of a kabuki theater, um, because I,

08:43I agree with what we just heard. I mean, Ukraine has already lost, but Zelensky doesn't think

08:48he is lost. Okay. He has a future somehow, somewhere with probably bags of money. Um, and, and also

08:56the American team. Well, we have, um, uh, with cough and Marco Rubio and Keith Kellogg. I mean,

09:02who's in charge. Okay. I mean, I mean, they're not eyeing, uh, the, the Russian delegation.

09:08They're not eyeing, uh, Zelensky. They're eyeing each other. This is a conflict within the

09:13administration. Go ahead, Kyle. Right. Well, Wilmer made a few important points. And one question is

09:19who's in charge is a big one. Uh, but the other one about shifting control of the war to the Ukraine

09:24defense contract contact group. This was something that they did in the final year of the Biden

09:30administration and explicitly calling it a Trump proof proofing policy for the war in Ukraine by

09:36shifting more control over to the Europeans to even oversee the distribution of American aid into

09:41Ukraine. And so even if Trump were to end all us support for Ukraine, the Europeans would probably

09:49pit that up for some time. Now, hopefully in that span of time, Zelensky would realize that the

09:54Europeans and the Europeans would tell Zelensky that we can't do this forever. We're not the

09:59Americans. And so then Zelensky would go and negotiate with Putin. I think one crucial part of

10:05the negotiations will probably have to be Zelensky receiving some sort of a few hundred Marines deployed

10:12to Kiev to protect him from the Ukrainian nationalists. So when he signs the deal with Putin,

10:17he could remain president long enough to implement whatever needs to be implemented to get the peace

10:23solidified. So we need to bring in Marines to protect Zelensky against his own people.

10:29What kind of mess is this, Misty? Yeah, I mean, I think Kyle's absolutely right,

10:35though. I think at this point, uh, Zelensky's in way over his head. I don't think there's any

10:40question about that. And you have these neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine who, uh, will definitely come for

10:45him. And I think that that's the, uh, that's, he's kind of, it's kind of sunk in cost fallacy

10:49at this point. He's in so deep, uh, that I'm not sure that he can really find his way out.

10:53And there may have been a point in Kyle, I actually talked about this last, uh, on my show. Uh, there

10:57may have been a point where we could have offered him some sort of protection where we could have,

11:01you know, weaseled our way out of this, but I think we're past that at this point. So I think

11:05Zelensky's really in trouble. I don't know that he's come to terms with that for himself yet. Uh, but it's

11:09definitely an unwinnable proxy war. It always was. He was always being used as that pawn,

11:13as that puppet, uh, to weaken Russia. And I think that the United States really has no business,

11:18uh, trying to be of any kind of a mediator or anything. We are the cause of this whole situation.

11:24So, uh, if we really care about peace, the United States needs to just remove themselves from the

11:28equation period. We have caused, uh, way more damage, uh, than we give ourselves credit for,

11:34for sure. Uh, and I don't think that we have any business, uh, attempting any kind of mediation

11:38process whatsoever. But at the same time, the, uh, Wilmer, the, the Europeans are even worse.

11:44I mean, they want to go on a war economy. I don't know why. I mean, to, to, uh, to, um, to shore up

11:50their failings and the, uh, the policies of the European union, uh, for, uh, arms producers. I don't

11:56know, but they are, they, um, they're going to regret this even more. The Donald Trump, because of his

12:01nature, he'll, he could walk away doubtful, but he could, the Europeans can at this point, go ahead,

12:06Wilmer. Well, I think part of the answer to your question about why the Europeans are doing this

12:13is because they understand that the United States is shifting its policy towards China and that the

12:21focus of the United States is, you know, we're, we're, we're like the, we're like the four-year-old

12:27child whose attention span is, is about 15 seconds long. And so we've, we've grown weary of Ukraine

12:35because we went in under some false priest pretenses with false expectations. Russia wasn't

12:43going to fold. Contrary to what we were told, Russia was not going to fold. And now that we

12:51have come to that realization, the time now is to turn to the new shiny object, which is China.

12:57And so now I think the Europeans realize they're going to have to jump in here. This is television.

13:05I have a hard break. And after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on Trump's foreign

13:08policy. Stay with our team. Welcome back to Crosstalk, where all things are considered. I'm

13:17Peter Lavelle. To remind you, we're discussing whether Donald Trump is a peacemaker.

13:32All right, let's go back to Kyle. I think, you know, and I may be wrong and maybe I'm being overly

13:37hopeful. But if we could look at the details, the, and they're very disparate of what Trump has been

13:45talking about since he assumed office again. But one could make an argument that we're returning to

13:52great power politics because have you heard the rules-based order mentioned recently? I haven't,

14:00which I'm very happy about. But, you know, Trump is taking a great power approach and that's,

14:06you know, that may, and that accounts for his interest in Greenland, Panama, Canada. And I'm not

14:13saying it's, it would make it a better world, but we are kind of moving away from the, the strictures

14:18of the liberal order that was established after the second world war. Maybe Trump is just an anomaly,

14:24but it seems like there's some elements to back up that argument. Your thoughts?

14:29Well, I would say that even if like the rhetoric changes, the wars never do. And so, you know,

14:35under Bush, we had the neoconservative and the interventionists and Obama was responsibility to

14:40protect. And then we had the first Trump administration, which was supposed to be America

14:44first. And then Joe Biden, which is, you know, we had to protect international world order and things

14:50like this. But throughout all of it, all the wars continue to go on. There were no actual dramatic

14:56shifts in U.S. foreign policy, just different justification for wars. And actually what seems

15:02to happen is, you know, the new policy means we have to go and fight this new conflict, get involved in

15:08this new arena. You know, Trump's first administration, he didn't end any wars. He

15:13ramped up several, like the war in Afghanistan, the war in Syria. And while he signed a deal with

15:19the Taliban to leave Afghanistan, Trump has said that he was never going to give up the Kabul air

15:24base or the, the big air base, the Bagram air base. Yes. Yes. And so he said that he wasn't actually

15:31going to end that war. He actually wasn't going to leave Afghanistan. I don't see anything in Trump's

15:37track record that says we're going to get less intervention. Maybe he'll start interfering in

15:42Greenland and Panama, but whoever's the next president will just continue that, that down

15:47that path of war. Well, we'll see. And Misty, certainly there's a couple of areas that are

15:55changing. Again, we're all on the same page here. This is about rhetoric right now. It's less about

16:01action. But the there's obviously there's strained relations between the Europeans and the Americans.

16:08Primarily, it's focused on Ukraine, but also the the tariff war, as it were. It seems to me that

16:13there's almost an inevitability that the United States is going to lose interest there. The real

16:18wild card right now, and maybe this is only about personalities, which, of course, Western media love

16:24to focus on, is the Trump Netanyahu relationship, as it as it were. I mean, are these quirks of Trump's

16:33personalities, personality or an indication of a policy shift? I think it's probably more about

16:41personality. I think those are two very big ego driven individuals. And I think it's really difficult

16:46for them to engage in any way that doesn't involve conflict. I mean, they're both very conflict

16:52driven people as well. I think that, you know, Trump likes to be a bully. He likes to be the big

16:56man in the room. I think Netanyahu is obviously evil. So I think that it's really just about

17:01personality, a personality clash. I don't see again until I actually see policy change until I actually

17:07see, you know, where we're defunding Israel, where we're stopped sending military aid until I actually

17:13see action. I'm not impressed by these rumors of, you know, Trump ghosting Netanyahu or whatever it is.

17:19And again, Netanyahu isn't the problem. He is just merely the guy leading Israel right now. Zionism is the

17:26problem. And so even if Netanyahu has turned into some sort of a scapegoat, that doesn't solve the issue.

17:30And so, you know, these kind of personality driven conflicts and things, that doesn't interest me much.

17:35I'm not one for the drama and the rumors and all of that. So until I see actually policy shift, it's difficult

17:41for me to really buy into that stuff. Well, we're the same thing because, you know, Trump can take

17:48his stance. I mean, he fired his national security advisor, not because he was dealing with Netanyahu.

17:56He was just dealing with him behind his back. So I'm backing up Misty on this point. It wasn't about

18:01substance, is that he took personal offense. But it's what I find very interesting, the rhetoric that

18:08we heard on this trip to the Middle East, the quote unquote ghosting of Netanyahu. We'll use that in

18:15air quotes. But his administration, all the people around him are not of that hue whatsoever. So

18:22again, Trump is appealing to his base, not really changing policy. Again, it's too early to really

18:29say. But I mean, he's more worried about losing the base than losing Netanyahu.

18:34If I could just quickly take a step back, you mentioned great power politics. It's hard to

18:40play great power politics when you're running out of power. And fascist authoritarians, they love to

18:47look backwards. They love make America great again. They love to look backwards. The unipolar dynamic has

18:56totally shifted to a multipolar dynamic. And unfortunately, the American administration

19:03doesn't seem to understand that. Misty's absolutely right. This is not a conflict between the United

19:10States and Israel. This is a conflict between Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu. And Misty used the

19:18word Zionism. And that's absolutely correct. And people need to understand that not all Zionists are

19:25Jews, and not all Jews are Zionists. Joe Biden is a Zionist. Kamala Harris is a Zionist. So I go back to

19:35the point I made earlier. If this had really been a policy issue, Donald Trump would have said last week,

19:43I've talked to al-Sisi in Egypt, that aid that's on the border is going in because I'm sending Marines in to

19:50deliver it. And you will stop shooting immediately. The genocide stops now. Last I checked, Palestinians are still

20:00dying from malnutrition. They're dying from hunger. They're dying from cholera. They're dying from starvation.

20:06They're dying from genocide. And until he says that stops, the policy stays the same.

20:12And now it's Trump's genocide. Let's keep it. Let's be clear, Donald Trump. You know, it's your war in

20:19Ukraine. It's your genocide. Kyle, again, going back to some of the speeches Trump made during his Middle

20:27East trip, he had very, very sharp words for Iran, which, of course, played to the room. The room wanted

20:34to hear that. OK, that's why he got applause. But again, looking at the people around him, you know,

20:42it's all about the bomb. Well, if it's all about the bomb, then there's a little bit of optimism

20:47there because there's even Trump's own intelligence community says that the Iranians are not completing

20:52the nuclear cycle for a bomb. They say they don't want a bomb. So we got some material to work with

20:58here. OK. And it seemed to me that he was looking for a way out because, you know, we've all agreed

21:05that he's not a peacemaker. There's not enough evidence of that. But does he want to be a war maker

21:09against Iran? I think there's a question mark there, Kyle. Well, I do. I don't think Trump

21:15wants to be a war maker with Iran. And I really do hope that the and don't think that the U.S.

21:21will go to war with Iran under Donald Trump. It would be a highly unpopular policy, even with his

21:25base. Only 25 percent. And it would be his legacy. It would be his legacy. Absolutely. Absolutely.

21:32And so I'm not sure that that's a real threat. But getting a deal done seems nearly impossible

21:38to, you know, the Iranians, the most they're willing to accept is essentially return to the

21:43Obama era deal, which Trump during his first campaign, one of his big policy positions was

21:49that deal was weak. Obama was stupid. I'm a better deal maker. And then he got out of that

21:54deal. And so now he would essentially have to return to it. And also his administration

21:59is completely confusing on this perspective. Can Iran have a nuclear-rich program? No,

22:05they can't. You know, it keeps going back and forth. And so I don't see him being able

22:10to get a deal done. From the Iranian perspective, I mean, it may be good that the Trump administration

22:15says all we want is Iran not to get a nuclear weapon. But everybody knows Iran isn't trying

22:21to get a nuclear weapon. And you have members of the administration suggesting that they're

22:25like on the brink of receiving one, we have to get a deal done within two weeks or go to war

22:29to prevent Iran from getting a nuke.

22:32Yeah, Missy, again, Marjorie Taylor Greene, which I can remember when she came into Congress.

22:38I'm not a booster for her, but I do read what she puts out in social media. And that got a lot

22:44of traction. We don't want to go to a war for another country. Of course, he didn't. She didn't

22:49mention the country, but it was quite obvious she was making reference to Israel. And I think most

22:54people would agree she's a barometer for the base. Trump, it's difficult to say Trump is

22:59a barometer of Trump. That's all we can say here. But I think she does have a finger on

23:05the pulse of the base. And for someone that was derided so much in the beginning of her

23:10political career, she's got some stature right now. And Donald Trump cannot ignore her.

23:17Well, and I think that not only is she a really accurate barometer for the base, but the base

23:22itself is very vocal. I mean, you can get on social media. And I will say the one thing—and

23:27I'm not MAGA, I'm not a Trump supporter—but the one thing I will say about his base and

23:32about his supporters is that they're not afraid to criticize him, which is kind of refreshing,

23:36given that liberals refuse to criticize Democratic presidents. So they are not afraid to criticize

23:41him. They're not afraid to call him out when he's going against the grain, when he's going

23:46against what his base wants. So I think that that's really good. And I think Marjorie Taylor Greene is a

23:50very loud and vocal voice for just kind of breathing life into those opinions. But I do

23:57think that the base itself is very vocal. They're very forceful online. They're not afraid to make

24:02their opinions known. And they will go after and critique him when they think that it's necessary.

24:06So I think that, again, as I mentioned earlier, I think that that's great. I think that we are

24:09seeing that shift. We're seeing a huge shift away from these interventionist wars. People are so war-weary

24:16in this country. We are tired of spending all of our money. We can't afford anything in this country

24:22for our own people. And yet we're sending billions of dollars to faraway countries to blow up poor brown

24:27kids. So I think people in this country are really, really, really done with that. And I think that

24:31that's what we're seeing. Yeah. And nobody in the base trust Marco Rubio. That guy's a snake in the

24:37garden all the time. That guy is awful. Wilmer, we're rapidly running out of time. What does this

24:42$400 million airplane tell you, Wilmer? Because it's mercurial, it's transactional. And I think it's

24:49an absolute disgrace for the American people to watch an American president take tribute. I mean,

24:57again, great power politics. It's very far away from the rules-based order. Go ahead, Wilmer.

25:02Wilmer. It's another shiny object. I think it also demonstrates that our adversaries clearly

25:08understand the weak link in the chain, which is Donald Trump. They know how to get to him. If you

25:15inflate his ego and you give him nice toys, he'll behave at the children's table.

25:23Literally toys, that is what that is there. Misty, you're nodding your head. I mean,

25:29what is the pulse of it there? What is the reaction? Is it derision? It's funny. It's comical.

25:35It's Trump, this plane thing. Yeah, I think for me, it's funny. I think it's just another one of

25:40those things. But I think it's also a very serious matter. We need to be very aware of the fact that

25:45it's clear that the president is being purchased right now. So yes, as Wilmer said, this is just

25:51giving him a shiny toy and he will behave as they wish him to do so. Yeah. And particularly since he

25:58thinks he can keep it after his presidency, it's really end of empire, end of ideology. It's really

26:08quite pathetic, fake gold airplane. Okay. All right. That's all the time we have. I want to thank

26:13my guests in Washington, Columbus and in Norton. And of course, I want to thank our viewers

26:16for watching us here at RT. See you next time. Remember, crosstalk rules.

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