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00:00Hi, guys. I'm here with the CMAs. I got invited to present an award.
00:11Taylor, right here. Taylor, right here. Taylor, one more time. Look right here.
00:14And onto the red carpet, the girl, I'm like, I'm so sorry. I'm so nervous. She's like, we are so excited you're here.
00:20I was just in shock. I'm like, how? Why? Of all people, like Luke Bryan's like right next to me.
00:24And it was just insane. It was the coolest experience.
00:30Taylor, what do you think about a show, The Secret Lives of Country Music Wives?
00:35I love it. What could possibly go wrong?
00:40I posted about my CMAs. Not a single one of my friends from MomTalk said a single thing about it or commented.
00:46To hear nothing, like, what the fuck? I just had never seen such silence on a post.
00:52After Friendsgiving, I thought we were good, but I have noticed claws are always out.
00:59I do not think that MomTalk is living up to the supportive outlet that I thought we all had.
01:05So I feel like I have every right to speak my feelings. I'm going to defend myself against all of them if I have to.
01:13We have some new MomTalk drama.
01:16It was awkward that every single one of my friends was silent.
01:19I remember seeing her like post, no one was supporting me.
01:22And then they're all responding, being like, are you crazy? Like, we definitely did.
01:25They're posting screenshots. They're posting, like, screenshots.
01:28I mean, it's like this whole thing.
01:30The MomTalk feud has now officially reached a new level of insanity because Demi has now gone off the rails.
01:38Demi said, Macy, please, let's not feed the extremely large ego. You don't need her baby.
01:43Contrary to what she tries to make us all believe.
01:45The women are fighting each other in the comments of a post that was posted by the official Secret Lives of Mormon Wives social media page.
01:54MomTalk, will it survive?
02:25Hey.
02:49Hello.
02:50Welcome.
02:51It smells so good. It smells like Christmas.
02:52Yeah, it does smell like Christmas.
02:53Cute.
02:55Welcome.
02:56It smells so good in here.
02:57Do you guys want some hot cocoa?
02:59Yes.
03:00Taylor posting on her story about how none of us supported her on her CMAs post is crazy.
03:06Like, did we not all just have like a kumbaya moment at Friendsgiving?
03:09It seems to be a running pattern that wherever Taylor is, chaos follows.
03:14Guys, what the hell?
03:16What the hell is going on?
03:19When I first saw her story, I thought it was a joke.
03:22I thought it was like a satire, like funny thing.
03:25Because I'm like, why wouldn't you like message us in the group chat being like, hey, like, did you not see the post?
03:31Or like, I don't know. It just felt weird.
03:32This whole situation is very confusing.
03:34I feel like for all of us, because we were just rallying around Taylor at Friendsgiving.
03:38And so I genuinely thought it was a joke.
03:40But at the same time, I was like, hmm.
03:42After seeing more stories, I don't think this is a joke.
03:44There was a lot of backlash online of people being like, you're a fake friend of Taylor.
03:48You don't even support her.
03:49I'm like, I know for a fact I texted her the day of CMAs being like, hey, I'm so proud of you.
03:54Love you.
03:55You're going to kill it.
03:56So her being upset about us not commenting on her post is definitely throwing us all through a loop.
04:02I saw her post.
04:03I was literally at a date with Jacob, so I liked it.
04:05And I was like, oh, maybe I'll comment later.
04:07But I forgot.
04:08Yeah.
04:09Like it had been 23 hours.
04:10I hadn't even seen the post.
04:11And to be honest, I'm like, she doesn't message us back for five days.
04:14So maybe give it five days and not 24 hours.
04:16Yeah, that's true.
04:17That's what I said to her.
04:18I genuinely did not see the post.
04:19I was out with my family Friday night.
04:21I don't think she's coming to my last few posts.
04:23I keep tallies of who's commenting and who's not.
04:25I feel like that's weird.
04:26I feel like she makes these posts without thinking a lot of the time.
04:29Like even with the Swinger stuff, she did post things.
04:32And she's like, oh, I didn't think about it before I posted it.
04:34Taylor hides behind her page being mostly satire.
04:38And I think it's bullshit.
04:40You can't say whatever the hell you want, post whatever you want, and then make a joke that hurts somebody,
04:45and then not expect people to react, and then not expect consequences.
04:49It's not OK.
04:51At this point, I truly view Taylor as a liability to MomTalk.
04:55And I just think she's a loose cannon.
04:57From going on a live stream and throwing everyone under the bus for the swinging scandal
05:02to going on about the CMAs and trying to make everyone look bad.
05:06Although I feel like Taylor is kind of viewed as the leader.
05:09To me, I don't think she is qualified in any way.
05:12And honestly, hasn't been throughout the entirety of MomTalk.
05:15She wanted everyone to feel the hurt that she felt.
05:18So now all her minions go out, and they go and they comment on all of our shit.
05:22And they're like, you're a terrible friend.
05:24This is why she hasn't been coming around.
05:25You're all bullies.
05:26You don't invite her.
05:27And what are we going to do?
05:30Too much water?
05:31Ew, it tastes like dirt.
05:33It's too healthy.
05:34You're expecting a yummy hot chocolate?
05:36That's not what it is.
05:37Wow, that's disappointing.
05:38And it tastes like tree bark.
05:41But, yeah.
05:42Like, it's so dumb.
05:43That's the thing is I feel like it doesn't affect me because I'm like, I know it's not true.
05:47We're getting thousands of comments and DMs telling us that we're mean girls and we're bad friends.
05:52And that was frustrating considering how much energy I have put into Taylor and our friendship.
05:58I message her multiple times a week.
06:00I try to send her cookies and dinners and Starbucks and coffee.
06:04And then for her to go on publicly and blast it to her 4 million followers.
06:08It feels unwarranted and very unfair.
06:10She hyperfixates on one problem.
06:13She does it with her relationship with Dakota, right?
06:15But in this situation, she's hyperfixated on the social media aspect of it all.
06:19She's not really listening to the other points that you're making.
06:22And it's like social media, social media.
06:24It's like she can't get that out of her brain.
06:26No matter how many times that's said to her, she doesn't really see it.
06:29Whatever you want to call it.
06:31Narcissism, a disconnect in the brain, not fully matured.
06:35There is something going on.
06:37And I'm so sick of the narrative of everyone else is doing this.
06:40When Taylor's ruining her own gone down life.
06:42Every single problem that's been brought into her life has been because of her.
06:46And somehow we're all being villainized now.
06:48And she's willing to throw us all under the bus.
06:50We're supposed to now bow down to the leader who brought us this opportunity.
06:54When we're getting treated like shit online in public.
06:56I want to hear what she's thinking.
06:58This drama couldn't have come at a worse time.
07:00Because me and Jessie are hosting a party with Baby Mama and JT Styles.
07:05In the past, in Mom Talk, it was sinners versus saints.
07:08So that is the theme for the event.
07:10We are inviting Mom Talk supporters.
07:12And so I feel like it's really important for all of us girls to kind of show a united front.
07:15And be friendly and cordial to each other.
07:18So I want to sit down with Taylor and kind of talk some sense into her.
07:21Anyways, I'm going to dump this out.
07:24It was great.
07:26I keep getting whiffs of it.
07:35Yes.
07:36And oranges.
07:41Hello.
07:42Hi.
07:43How's it going?
07:44Good. How are you?
07:46Good.
07:47Come on in.
07:48Bob the Builder's here.
07:49Yay.
07:50I've been needing help, so.
07:52Hi, my little little bug.
07:54Dakota's coming to grab him, so I'm just waiting on him.
07:57I'm going to pack him up.
08:01Okay, let's go.
08:02Hi.
08:03Hi.
08:04How are you?
08:05Good. How are you?
08:06What's up, porn staff?
08:08Do you like it?
08:09He will not go down, and he's been fussy.
08:11So it's because he was excited to see us.
08:14Bye, buddy.
08:15I love you.
08:16With all the drama going on with Mom Talk, it's been really hard to give Dakota an answer right now.
08:22On his ultimatum, I just feel conflicted between walking and staying in this relationship where I know we're both toxic together.
08:31He's saying, like, if you can't give me 100% commitment, then I have to start moving on with my life because we've been at this for two years, so.
08:37This decision has been weighing on me.
08:39I'm just trying to, like, think about ever and what is best for all of us, but I don't know how single moms out there do it.
08:46I'm just grateful for my family.
08:48They have been a saving grace.
08:50I need to hear about all your so-called friends.
08:54Yeah.
08:55Come tell me.
08:56It's been a shit show.
08:57Not a single one of my friends said anything on my CMA post, which I thought, in my head, that's a big night for me.
09:03And I feel like that's just not normal for, like, not a single one to say anything.
09:07I feel like this is, like, a cool accomplishment.
09:09Like, I've never done something like this, and to hear nothing from my friends.
09:13This is our job.
09:14This is what we do.
09:15This is what we love.
09:16It's our passion.
09:17Yes, they did support me in other ways.
09:18Like, text me, hey, good luck with the CMAs.
09:20How's the CMAs?
09:21Like, privately, some of them.
09:23But when it came to, like, publicly, not a single one said anything.
09:26And if my dad didn't see it or someone that isn't on social media all the time, that makes sense to me.
09:31But in mom talk, that's, like, what we're about is supporting each other privately and publicly.
09:37I didn't, like, handle it how I probably should have.
09:40But in the moment, I was just frustrated.
09:41And I was like, I'll be petty, too.
09:42And so I posted it.
09:43Demi was like, I guess we're supposed to bow down to Taylor.
09:46Like, she's the queen.
09:47Like, we missed one thing.
09:48Like, they were all freaking out about it and coming at me.
09:51So I just felt very attacked.
09:52It was like a game of, like, basically me against all of them, I feel like.
09:56Oh, she's the one that I just seen the most.
09:59Oh, yeah.
10:00Demi made herself look like a fool because she just, like, was bullying me.
10:04She wants to be Queen B.
10:06Demi went as far as calling me a narcissist, a manipulator, a gaslighter.
10:11I only tell half-truths to people.
10:13I twist things to make them look like they're one thing but they're another.
10:16I'm calculated.
10:19Anything you can think of, she pretty much said on the internet.
10:22Anyone that bullied me, she, like, supported it.
10:24And then she kind of, like, fed into it a lot.
10:26This was from IG.
10:27Someone had commented, Taylor was a bad friend.
10:29She was only super nice because she was pregnant.
10:32Demi comments, ding, ding, ding.
10:34You can tell by some of the comments that Demi has written that she has never cared about her friendship with Taylor.
10:39Oh, sweetie.
10:40Honey girl.
10:41The other way around.
10:42She has never been a friend to me or anyone in the cast.
10:46All of her relationships are transactional.
10:48I don't know why it got to that.
10:50It's like, are you waiting for a weak moment of mine for my downfall?
10:55And I really think that's what it was.
10:56She saw a weak moment.
10:57Everyone's mad at Taylor for taking her down.
11:00Do you think that you deserve to go and have such an amazing event, though, at the CMAs?
11:07I don't know.
11:08When we were in first class and we were eating, I, like, was, like, wanting to cry.
11:13Really?
11:14I was, like, why am I sitting here?
11:16Why?
11:17Is it becoming reality?
11:20No.
11:21It's, like, why do I deserve to be here eating this food on first class?
11:25Like, that's in my head.
11:26But why not?
11:27Why not you?
11:30Because the swinging scandal.
11:33Get over that.
11:34Because you know what?
11:35The entire family, we don't care about it.
11:38The only person that hasn't forgiven you is yourself.
11:42Mm-hmm.
11:44I never want you to feel, like, that you are trash.
11:46You're, like, you're a daughter of God.
11:48To be picked out of all these other, like, reality stars, movie stars.
11:53On the red carpet, I got tears, like, in my eyes because it's, like, you've made it, you know?
11:58My phone was blowing up, like, oh, my gosh, your daughter.
12:01And I'm, like, it's freaking cool.
12:02You should have seen us.
12:03We were having, like, this freaking…
12:05Super Bowl party.
12:06Super Bowl party.
12:08You ended up pulling yourself out of, like, that darkness.
12:11Mm-hmm.
12:12And I think that's exciting and that's something that you should, like, be proud of.
12:16I felt undeserving of that moment, actually.
12:19I'm, like, I don't actually deserve to be here and treated like this.
12:22Like, it actually really makes me feel good.
12:24Like, I don't feel good about myself.
12:26I already feel, like, trash because of the swinging scandal.
12:29It's what I'm known for.
12:30But the other girls not commenting on my post, it made me question if I deserved it even more.
12:37It's, like, if that's what you think of me, then that, like, confirms, like, what I think of me, you know?
12:41There's nothing in this world that would ever change the way that I feel about you.
12:47With Mom Talk, I look back at to the times of where it started and hope for that again.
12:51But right now, I do feel like I don't know who actually is my friend.
12:55And that's what I need to figure out.
12:57You deserve all the happiness in this world.
13:00And you need to feel that, you know?
13:02You need to feel that love.
13:12Everybody's telling me I gotta act right, sit right, talk right.
13:18I can't handle it, there's no way.
13:21Let's do this.
13:23Curious to hear her perspective.
13:25I'll move to the back so that she can sit in the front so we can interrogate her.
13:29Oh, no. Not the interrogation.
13:31Taylor can be erratic sometimes.
13:34And a lot of people in our group can, actually.
13:36So it's not just her.
13:37But I feel like me and McKayla are her closest friends in Mom Talk and understand her more.
13:42Even though I don't think Taylor had bad intentions towards us,
13:45this is a situation that I feel like I can't be on her side with.
13:48I don't feel like I'm all the way on Demi's side because it's a bit strong.
13:51I feel like I'm still kind of in the middle, but I'm like, Taylor, you're wrong in this situation.
13:54Hello.
13:55Hello.
13:56Look who it is.
13:57I got a little bit of a mess.
13:58Making an appearance.
13:59It's not the kid toy.
14:00I actually like that set.
14:02She's like, it's my anxiety toy when I get anxious.
14:08Anyways.
14:09Anyway.
14:12I need to get a quesadilla. I'm so hungry. I could die.
14:15Can I do a 12-ounce hot chocolate with hazelnut?
14:18Make that two.
14:19Two of those.
14:20You want one?
14:21Have a good rest of your day.
14:22Yes, thank you.
14:23You too.
14:24See ya.
14:25This is good as hell.
14:26This is so good.
14:27Really?
14:28I'm going to try it.
14:29Oh, yeah.
14:30Is that good?
14:31It's like a chocolate shake.
14:32No, it's like a milkshake.
14:33So how is everybody feeling?
14:35I feel fine.
14:37I bet you do.
14:39So I'm sorry that I feel fine.
14:41I would do it again.
14:43Curious, why though?
14:44Because that's how I felt.
14:47Everyone saw my story that day and no one said a thing.
14:51That to me is telling. The silence was loud.
14:54Any one of you would think the exact same thing.
14:56I don't care what you guys say.
14:57There's no way that 8 out of 8 girls were not on their phones for 24 hours and didn't see it.
15:01I think it's safe to say that.
15:04It's such an isolated event of just like one post that people didn't comment on that one time
15:09and then to publicly go out and be like, hey, basically, no matter how you worded it,
15:14made us look like bad friends.
15:16And then we're getting comments saying, oh, well, you guys are mean girls because you don't support your friends.
15:20And we're saying, well, that's not true because we're texting her.
15:22We're DMing her.
15:23We're going out of our way to see how she's doing.
15:25So people don't know the whole story that a good amount of people reached out to you.
15:29But then I explained.
15:30Literally, it was just like, I think a lot of these girls are supportive.
15:34I was just taken back by the fact that not a single one said a word.
15:38And I thought it was weird. That's it.
15:39I know, but I think the aspect that I'm confused about is, does it matter if it's online or does it matter if it's in our real life?
15:47Because I'm like, we've had those conversations.
15:50I think both it matters.
15:51For me, private support is way more important than social media support when it comes to my friendships
15:57and the genuine friendships that I care about.
15:59I'd much rather have a close circle of the people that actually know me behind the scenes and have that support.
16:05But I feel like Taylor is the complete opposite.
16:07And I'd rather be going online and getting it from strangers on the internet.
16:11Whatever is going on online doesn't matter because it's also like you have to separate the two.
16:15This is still your real life and your real friendships that are being hurt as well.
16:19Yeah. Were you annoyed?
16:20Well, it annoyed me. It definitely hurt some people.
16:23But it's also telling.
16:24You guys. Did it hurt you guys?
16:26No, but it's also telling to me like, oh, damn.
16:28Like how quick it was to throw us all under the bus with no context, no warning.
16:34Okay. So next time, just send you a warning of what I'm going to post.
16:37Well, not necessarily.
16:40Are you listening to anything we're saying?
16:42Yeah. I honestly don't think you guys thought it was that deep, just like me.
16:45Even if I was like, yeah, it was petty, it was funny.
16:48If I saw that it was hurting people, I would still be like, you know what?
16:51I am sorry that I did that.
16:52Like I can still feel empathy for people that I've hurt.
16:56My CMA post, I felt my feelings were valid.
16:58That's how I felt. I was petty and I posted it.
17:00That was my bad. End of story.
17:02But listening to what Mikayla is saying and hearing that they were bullied online,
17:06I am sorry that that is happening.
17:09I know I'm going to see everyone at the Saints and Sinners party.
17:12And before that, me and Layla are going to New York for a brand trip.
17:16So maybe I should apologize for being petty about the post.
17:19Just hone on to your empath side, you know?
17:22And we're in the wrong of posting it and grouping everybody in, you know?
17:26I know. I agree that you feel that way.
17:30Shut up.
17:31Get out.
17:32Sorry if I didn't say what you guys wanted to hear.
17:34I want you to actually feel it.
17:36Okay.
17:37And coming from a place of I do feel bad.
17:39Maybe I just need to go home and think.
17:41Love you guys.
17:42Love you guys too.
17:43I know you don't love me, but it's fine.
17:44No one said that.
17:52Oh my God.
17:56Oh goodness.
17:57Thank you so much.
18:00We're here.
18:02I feel like things are a little contentious still and mom talk,
18:05but today I'm forgetting all that because Jacob and I are in San Diego
18:08to do a frozen embryo transfer.
18:10I've been on hormones for a long time.
18:12Going through IVF under the radar.
18:14None of the girls know.
18:15Hi, how are you?
18:16Good to see you again.
18:17I want to avoid those questions where it's like, oh, did you transfer?
18:19Are you pregnant?
18:20There's like so many questions that get overwhelming when you're going
18:22through IVF.
18:23We're like 30 minutes behind.
18:24Okay, left side.
18:25Okay.
18:26Give me a three, two, one.
18:27Three, two, one.
18:30Okay, that's not too bad.
18:32It is a very personal journey and so we decided to keep it private.
18:36Oh, I see.
18:39Oh, there it is.
18:46Yeah.
18:47So the dot is the air bubble.
18:49Air bubble that identifies where the embryo is placed.
18:53The embryo is right in there.
18:55Okay.
18:56Oh, crazy.
18:57Good luck to you both.
18:58Thank you so much.
18:59I have never heard the church having a stance on IVF and if anything,
19:03I think they're happy because the more babies, the better.
19:06Mormons have a lot of kids, so I think it's something
19:08that they would never discourage.
19:10This is the start of a new life.
19:20Aw.
19:29Just having Carlos brought so much joy.
19:33And then now thinking about another one, another baby, it's a lot.
19:39Aw, you're so excited, baby.
19:42Yeah.
19:43Yeah.
19:49I love you.
19:50I love you.
19:51Thanks for being the best, most supportive.
19:53Of course.
19:55I'm not going to lie.
19:56I feel like my life is going really good right now.
19:59However, I am worried for this Saints and Sinners party.
20:02It's coming up and it's going to be the first time
20:04we're all going to be together since the CMA drama.
20:07When they're mad, both Demi and Taylor can fight really dirty
20:10and I just feel like in my soul that it's going to be brutal.
20:15But I'm really trying to focus on staying stress-free
20:18because this IVF transfer is what matters the most to us right now.
20:22Are you excited?
20:24Yes.
20:41Good city.
20:42Tonight is Macy and Jesse's Saints and Sinners party,
20:45but today me and Taylor are in New York City
20:47to work on a really fun brand deal.
20:49Hi.
20:50How are you?
20:51Good to see you.
20:52And we're going to shoot a commercial for them
20:54and shoot some billboard pictures for them that'll be in Times Square.
21:02It's super fun.
21:03I'm so happy that opportunities like this come from being on MomToss.
21:08All right, next look.
21:09How do you think it's going to go tonight?
21:11Horrible.
21:12It's a bloodbath, for sure.
21:14I'm scared for you, to be honest.
21:16After hearing what Macy and Mikayla said,
21:18then I started to feel bad, so I decided to make an apology text.
21:27Immediately after I sent my apology,
21:28Demi sends a chapter book of how she does not accept my apology
21:33and goes on to say why.
21:40The group message ended up in a war zone, honestly,
21:43because Demi, she's still going off,
21:45and I'm like, okay, the girl needs to let it go.
21:48Like, what do you want me to do?
21:58I think she wants me to kiss her feet.
22:00Not happening, so let's move on.
22:03You posted the thing, but it was one single story
22:05and it blew up into something that, in my opinion,
22:07I don't think it needed to go through.
22:08Thank you. Zoom in on that.
22:12I don't know.
22:13I think there's parts of it that Demi is valid in,
22:18but the level that she's taking it to online,
22:20I think that's where I draw the line.
22:22Initially, I was freaking mad at Taylor,
22:24but she apologized in the group chat,
22:26and I feel like she does feel bad,
22:28so I'm going to let it go and kind of move past it.
22:31I would normally be more loyal to Demi.
22:33I do have a closer relationship with Demi than Taylor,
22:35but in this situation, I do feel like Demi took it too far.
22:38I feel like she was approaching the level of bullying,
22:40so kind of fucked up on Demi's part.
22:43Speaking of Demi, before we came here,
22:46she texted me and she asked me
22:48how much I was making on this brand deal.
22:52And I didn't text her back,
22:53because, like, I just feel like
22:55we all kind of learned our lesson with Demi,
22:57that when it comes to money, you don't bring it up,
22:59because she doesn't handle money really well.
23:02I definitely do think that Demi is a little power-hungry.
23:05I think after seeing how well this last experience went for her
23:09and how much love she got online
23:11and how she was definitely a fan favorite,
23:14I think it kind of went to her head.
23:16You think you deserve the biggest brand deal.
23:18I'm curious to why you think you deserve it.
23:20It's not a shock that I was a fan favorite.
23:22Like, I feel like I'm an asset. I should fight for more.
23:24She kind of wants to be the forefront and center of things,
23:28so I definitely think she took it to heart
23:30when Taylor was asked to do the Sea Maze, and she wasn't.
23:33But I just think that we need to celebrate
23:35each other's wins in this group.
23:36There's going to be opportunities that some of us get
23:39that some of us don't get,
23:40and if we harp and we focus on every single thing
23:42that we're not getting,
23:43this is just going to be so toxic
23:45and just not a healthy environment to be in,
23:47so I really think she needs to get over herself with that.
23:52Demi says an atomic bomb is coming for me.
23:55I cannot. She's like, an atomic bomb?
23:57Yeah, it was like two.
23:58Taylor's so scared.
23:59She's shaking in her boots right now.
24:01Yeah, sweaty palms.
24:02Sweaty palms.
24:03I feel like, honestly, not validating what you did, but like...
24:07I mean, it's very on brand for you.
24:10Okay, well, I'll see if you keep that same energy tonight
24:13when I'm being attacked.
24:14I mean, don't.
24:15What do you mean?
24:16When I'm being attacked.
24:17Oh, I'm going to stand up for you.
24:19I want to hear you say that.
24:20I will.
24:21I am dreading to come back to the Saints and Sinners party
24:26because I just know I'm going to be in the hot seat.
24:31But I do want to go support Macy and Jessie in this.
24:34Demi, in the group message, said,
24:36you're bringing a BB gun to an atomic bomb that's coming for you.
24:39Basically trying to scare me to not go,
24:41or like, I should be afraid, but I'm going in there.
24:44I'm not afraid, and if anything, that fueled me more.
24:57We are eight days post-transfer,
25:00and we decided we're going to take a little pregnancy test.
25:04I'm scared.
25:06Three, two, one.
25:09Wait.
25:11Put it to the camera. I can't see it.
25:13Okay.
25:18Oh, my gosh.
25:26I'm so excited.
25:31I love you so much.
25:33I love you too.
25:35We're so excited. We're pregnant.
25:38And honestly, we couldn't be happier after all the sacrifice,
25:41being on hormones for months.
25:44And in three weeks, it should have a heartbeat.
25:46So we're not out of the woods yet.
25:48It's still scary, but it's exciting.
25:50It's exciting. I'm so excited.
25:53Can you believe it? I'm pregnant.
25:55That's crazy. Oh, my gosh.
25:59I think the hardest part of this journey, though,
26:01is going to be keeping it a secret from all my nosy little friends.
26:04I love you.
26:06It's really hard to keep a secret, because I'm excited.
26:08So I don't know how I'm going to do it,
26:10especially because I feel like the group prides.
26:12They can read things pretty well,
26:14but I'm going to have to hide it a little bit longer.
26:16This is my cute little baby mama.
26:24This beat really make me move.
26:27Everybody on the dance floor groove.
26:29All my friends looking at me like, ooh,
26:31she got that step on too.
26:33Yeah, I'm feeling you, baby.
26:35This has been really nice,
26:37just kind of, like, getting away from all the drama back home.
26:40Oh, my gosh, I know.
26:42Just being able to just kind of, like, just talk, us two.
26:45I know you're close with Demi and Jessie.
26:47It's okay, like, if you also, like,
26:49don't agree with everything they're doing
26:51and want to take a step back.
26:53Like, I feel like my issue is that I let other people
26:56dictate how I feel about somebody.
26:58So, like, because I was closer with Demi and Jessie at one point,
27:01they would tell me things about, like, what you were doing
27:04or, like, what Jen was doing,
27:06and I would just take their side automatically
27:08because they're my friend.
27:10Demi is a very passionate person
27:12that goes very hard at somebody
27:14when they do her wrong in her eyes,
27:16and she definitely pushes her narrative
27:19of how she feels on that person to everybody.
27:21She's done it to Jen, now she's doing it to Taylor.
27:23Looking back, I got sucked into her negative mindset towards Jen,
27:27and now it seems like Demi wants us to choose
27:30between Taylor or her,
27:32which I think is a load of bullshit,
27:34but I also am terrified of Demi.
27:36It's stressing me out.
27:38I'm breaking out because of it right now.
27:41♪ Oh, Lord, you know I'm praying a little harder ♪
27:44♪ It's a party out here, but I try not to be a sinner ♪
27:48♪ You know I'm praying a little harder ♪
27:54Hi! The Hot Rollers.
27:56How are you? Hi.
27:58Tonight is Saints and Sinners,
28:00and things with mom talk right now have been super heavy.
28:03The whole Taylor incident
28:05kind of felt like a big slap in the face.
28:07I will always be that voice of, like,
28:09hey, this is not okay,
28:11and if you're going to act the way that you're acting,
28:13you're gonna get called out.
28:14How are you doing?
28:15This has been so much.
28:17Yeah.
28:18Like, more than I would like to admit.
28:21I'm, like, embarrassed to admit
28:23how much time and energy this has, like...
28:25Because it's all...
28:26Oh, I'm exhausted.
28:27And I feel like this has triggered so much
28:29that I, like, need to address.
28:31Yeah.
28:32In that moment of you being so upset for 22 hours,
28:35when we have all had moments of being upset with Taylor...
28:38I know.
28:39...and we haven't reacted...
28:40I know.
28:41...it just was like, whoa.
28:42This drama that's going on is crazy.
28:44Taylor sent an apology text.
28:47Demi got very heated,
28:48and then it just turned into a whole shit show.
28:50I do think Demi can take it too far sometimes.
28:52Like, when I found out about Demi, like,
28:55threatening a cease and desist against Jen,
28:57I was, like, shocked.
28:59Apparently Demi is going out of her way
29:01to get a cease and desist
29:02to try to keep Jen and other people
29:04from talking about it.
29:05In this instance, I can see where she's coming from
29:08and why this is upsetting her so much,
29:10because I know almost every single person in MomTalk
29:12did, in fact, reach out to Taylor.
29:14And it's validating to have somebody
29:17see my perspective as to why I've always felt like
29:20Taylor doesn't know how to be her friend.
29:22It's so frustrating to, like,
29:24have the narratives be spun
29:26and things that are not true.
29:27Like, when the swinging stuff came out,
29:29I had my stepkids coming home from school,
29:31having people bully them, being like,
29:32oh, you're hot, stepmom.
29:33Like, she swings, like, tell her to call me.
29:35And then look how it continues to happen.
29:38It continues to happen.
29:39Yeah.
29:40I feel like, again,
29:41I have to walk on eggshells around you.
29:42Like, that's not a friendship that...
29:44Yeah.
29:45I don't think anyone would want.
29:47Yep.
29:48Watching Taylor's behavior
29:49and seeing it kind of unfold on a personal level,
29:52I'm understanding a little bit more
29:54as to why Whitney kept her distance from her
29:57and why she had such strong opinions about her.
29:59How are you feeling about seeing Taylor tonight?
30:02Not good.
30:03Yeah.
30:04I already know that I'm in a triggered state.
30:08This has been the wildest switch-up of all for me,
30:11seeing Whitney's support.
30:12But I really do think she is learning and growing,
30:15whereas with Taylor,
30:16I think that she thinks that we're just gonna be like,
30:18okay, awesome, you started this, so do whatever you want.
30:21And I think we're all kind of over that.
30:23Like, you are not in a position of power.
30:25Sit down.
30:27I appreciate you seeing the full picture
30:29and, like, helping me through it.
30:31It means a lot.
30:32♪♪♪♪
30:40Um, I value our friendship right now,
30:43so I'm gonna give you my group chat
30:46that has me, Demi, Jessie, Macy, and Mikayla in it.
30:50If you want to read it.
30:51Talking behind each other's backs
30:52is kind of the opposite of what mom talks
30:54is supposed to stand for,
30:55so I want to show Taylor the group chat messages
30:58so that she can see what she's walking into
31:00tonight.
31:01Here it is.
31:02Kind of a lot.
31:03Okay.
31:04But I don't know.
31:05I don't think I said anything too harsh, but...
31:08No, thank you.
31:09Sure.
31:10Yeah.
31:11♪♪♪♪
31:15The text thread that I'm reading is harsh,
31:19because I'm pretty much being called
31:21anything you can think of in there.
31:24How dumb I am.
31:25How, like, did she not see, like, she's the problem.
31:29Now we see what Dakota deals with.
31:31Yeah, it's sad to see.
31:32This is, like, mean girl behavior.
31:34Like, it's gross behavior.
31:35Yeah.
31:36It was a full-on bully thread,
31:38and it got worse because Demi is trying to get
31:41all the girls to go against me.
31:44I don't feel like those girls even realize
31:46Demi's true colors, and especially Jessie.
31:49She's just a loyal friend to Demi,
31:50but there's more that I know about Demi
31:53that I could tell Jessie
31:54to kind of just be like, open your eyes.
31:56And they can think whatever they want about me,
31:58but I don't sit there and talk about my friends like that.
32:01They'll never see your suits like that from me.
32:03No.
32:04So, okay, Demi, you have an atomic bomb coming for me?
32:08Bring it, because I have one too.
32:10♪♪♪♪
32:14♪♪♪♪
32:17♪♪♪♪
32:20♪♪♪♪
32:23♪♪♪♪
32:26♪♪♪♪
32:29♪♪♪♪
32:32♪♪♪♪
32:35You made it!
32:36Oh, my God!
32:37Look how good this looks.
32:38Look how amazing it is.
32:39Oh, my gosh.
32:40I want to live here.
32:41Like, it's perfect.
32:42And your outfit, all together.
32:44I know, you too.
32:45We're like the perfect opposites of each other.
32:47Tonight's the Saints and Sinners party.
32:49Macy and I are doing it as a combined business party
32:52for both of our companies.
32:53I have Jay-Z Styles, it's a hair care brand,
32:55and Macy has Baby Mama, which is supplements,
32:57and we thought it would be a really cool way to show
33:00that two women entrepreneurs can empower each other
33:03and also involve the community.
33:04I know it's gonna be an incredible night
33:06for our businesses,
33:07but I also know that there's going to be drama.
33:09We haven't all been together in a room
33:11since the CMAs situation,
33:12and I'm still very much upset with Taylor,
33:15so tensions are gonna be high,
33:17and this could be explosive.
33:19Oh, we need to do that TikTok.
33:21Okay.
33:22♪♪♪♪♪
33:24-♪ Baby, shake it loose for the moment, yeah ♪
33:27Do you like it?
33:28That's cute. Yeah, that's great.
33:30Oh, I love it.
33:31♪♪♪♪♪
33:38Wow.
33:40This is unreal.
33:42♪♪♪♪♪
33:45How do you think tonight's gonna go?
33:47I just hope Taylor's accountable.
33:49I hope that she owns her stuff.
33:50There will be some accountability,
33:51but it won't be a full accountability,
33:53in my opinion.
33:54You look so cute.
33:56You tired?
33:57Yeah, I'm tired,
33:58and I'm tired of trying to hide this pregnancy.
34:00You can't.
34:01You said that way too loud.
34:02I said it so quiet.
34:03You said that so loud.
34:04I said it so quiet.
34:05No, people can read your lips right now.
34:06I'm tired.
34:07People can read your lips.
34:08I'm tired, and I'm bloated.
34:09You're spilling the tea too soon.
34:11To you.
34:12No.
34:13Don't say anything like that.
34:14I'm not.
34:15No, hold on.
34:16Don't say anything.
34:17My boobs are still big.
34:18Jacob, you think this is my first rodeo?
34:20Looks like it.
34:21Oh, my God.
34:22♪♪♪♪♪
34:27Hi, how are you?
34:28Oh, my gosh, look at you guys.
34:29♪♪♪♪♪♪
34:34Look at you.
34:35Are you a saint or a sinner?
34:37I can't decide.
34:38I'm both.
34:39You're both.
34:40Hi.
34:41All right, you guys, we just wanted...
34:43Oh.
34:44Hello.
34:45Oh, here it goes.
34:46Hi, you guys.
34:47We just wanted to welcome you to the Saints and Sinners party
34:50hosted by Jay-Z Styles.
34:52And Baby Mama.
34:53Whoo!
34:54Whoo!
34:56Thank you guys so much for coming.
34:58It means the world to us that you are here
35:00celebrating with us.
35:01We just want you guys to have fun tonight
35:03and also make sure you get some good photos
35:05to document the night.
35:06Thank you, guys.
35:07We love you all.
35:09Whoo!
35:10♪♪♪♪♪♪
35:19Hi!
35:20Hello!
35:22Thank you for coming.
35:23Hi.
35:24How was New York?
35:25It was good.
35:26It was good.
35:28Besides Taylor, obviously.
35:30♪♪♪♪♪♪♪
35:35Dakota is with me tonight.
35:37He wanted to come support me,
35:39given he knows I'm going to be attacked.
35:42Dakota and I were not officially together,
35:44but he still is nice and sticks by my side,
35:47so I appreciate the support from him.
35:50What up?
35:53I haven't gotten a clear answer
35:55from the ultimatum,
35:56but the biggest reason why I'm going
35:58to the Saints and Sinners party
35:59is because with all of the drama going on right now,
36:03Taylor is, like, kind of alone,
36:04and so I just want to let her know
36:07that I always have her back.
36:08It is weird because none of the Mom Talk girls commented.
36:13I noticed it,
36:14and I wasn't even trying to notice that.
36:16Sure, they can say, like,
36:17I was busy that day, and it's like, nah.
36:21You were on your phone, you suck.
36:23How is New York?
36:24A blur.
36:25I'm running off, no sleep and no food.
36:28I'm not doing well right now.
36:29However, I wanted to come tonight
36:30and support my friends, unlike some other people.
36:34Let's not lump everyone in again.
36:36That didn't go well the first time.
36:38I'm okay.
36:39No, I'm saying we're not,
36:41because everyone got lumped in.
36:42I didn't speak for everyone here.
36:44Oh, I know, because I've talked to everyone.
36:46Everyone is frustrated.
36:47Well, then don't talk to me as well.
36:48I mean, you went to a whole other level
36:50of all these other girls.
36:53Taylor's here with her 12-foot wings,
36:56and she just has that crazy look in her eye,
36:58and I'm like, she is here to fight.
37:00I am so fed up.
37:01We have a long line of all this shit
37:05that's just building, building, building,
37:07and at this point, I'm just like,
37:09fuck you, Taylor.
37:10Can we go in the back room?
37:12I know who you are behind closed doors.
37:14You are done.
37:16Like, not on my watch, bitch.
37:18You're done.
37:23You guys want to go back here to talk?
37:25It's a little more quiet.
37:26Yeah, we're ready.
37:28Jessie, come sit with me right here.
37:31I feel like this feels weird.
37:34It feels like it's all of us,
37:36like Taylor's by herself.
37:37Well, apparently I am by myself,
37:39according to Demi, so go at it.
37:41Well, I actually want to hear what you have to say.
37:43I wanted to apologize,
37:45and I'm no longer apologizing to you.
37:48I'm not apologizing to you.
37:50I'm no longer apologizing to you specifically
37:52because of the bullying I've seen online
37:54for about a week now
37:56and the extent that you took it to
37:58and whatever reason you have.
38:00I did apologize to everyone else in the text,
38:02whether you thought it was sincere or not,
38:03and remember what else I said?
38:04I sat with what Mikaela said,
38:06because originally I was like,
38:07I'm actually not sorry about this,
38:09and then she was like,
38:10well, maybe you should think about
38:11how it affected all of us
38:13and how the people came at us,
38:14and I was like, okay, you're right.
38:16Why would you not be sorry?
38:17I'm just confused by that.
38:18Because I feel like I was just sharing my feelings,
38:20and I didn't think of it in big picture
38:22that you guys were going to get bullied.
38:24You know the platform you have?
38:25In what world would you put that out there
38:27and not expect a response when you have a problem?
38:29Well, you guys think I'm dumber than a block,
38:30so maybe that just...
38:35I'm definitely scared that the girls
38:36are going to find out that I showed Taylor
38:38the group chat messages.
38:39Maybe I shouldn't have done it,
38:40but fuck, thanks a lot, Taylor.
38:43Oh, you've never said that?
38:44I didn't say you're dumber than a what?
38:45A block? I think one of you said it.
38:47A brick?
38:48I guess for me, where my frustration came from
38:50is as a friend, why did you think
38:53that was your first and only move to make
38:55instead of just coming to us?
38:56I feel like the silence was loud on that post,
38:58and I felt that it was pettiness.
38:59So why didn't you come to the group and say,
39:01hey, guys, I noticed this, and I'm feeling weird.
39:03What's going on?
39:04Because I knew half is pettiness,
39:06and half genuinely probably did not see it, like you.
39:08But that's an assumption, because that's not true.
39:10Well, I knew people had liked it,
39:11and they didn't say anything.
39:12Like, they just... no one supported it.
39:13If you go to anyone...
39:14Should I go around and say why we didn't comment
39:15and, like, get to the bottom of this?
39:16I don't care.
39:17You do.
39:18You do care, because you posted about it.
39:19You don't care to come to us,
39:20but you care to put it online?
39:21That's communicating very loudly
39:22that you don't give a shit about the relationship.
39:24We were exhausted.
39:25We were heading into Thanksgiving weekend.
39:27We all were with our families or on dates
39:29or with our kids,
39:30and now you're sitting here saying,
39:32oh, I know for a fact on Bible
39:33that half was petty and half genuinely didn't see it.
39:36That's not fair to say when that's not true.
39:38It's not the truth, Taylor.
39:40Well, no one would ever come out and say that.
39:42When I see not a single person
39:45on a big night, I felt that it was weird.
39:47I understand you drawing the conclusion that,
39:49oh, this feels planned.
39:50And petty, and so I reacted fast, poorly,
39:53and that's my bad.
39:54And I was petty, and I put it online,
39:55and it affected you guys all more drastically
39:57than I anticipated, and that is my bad,
39:59and that is all I can say.
40:00Your following loves you and worships you.
40:02You have to realize the power you hold.
40:04Taylor tends to take her emotions as facts,
40:07and maybe she liked being validated
40:09and feeling like the victim in this situation,
40:11and taking it online validates her feelings,
40:13so I think that's why she did what she did.
40:15This is, like, a pattern,
40:16and the betrayal's so deep from you
40:18that I can't believe you would do something like that,
40:20that all I'm seeing is many yous come after me.
40:23This is not the issue you have with me.
40:25This is from, I don't know, from how long ago.
40:28I mean, look at the build-up to a point of bullying.
40:31I am not a bully, and I'm not a mean person.
40:33So you don't think you were a bully?
40:35No.
40:36I am sitting here wondering
40:38why Layla hasn't spoken up yet
40:40because she told me that she was gonna have
40:42my back in this situation.
40:43Well, I'll see if you keep that same energy tonight
40:46when I'm being attacked.
40:47What do you mean?
40:48Being attacked.
40:49Oh, no, I'm gonna stand up for you.
40:51I don't know if she's terrified of Demi, but...
40:53I think I was defending myself against your behavior,
40:56and it's very weird of you to sit in your chair right now
40:59and spin this on its head as though you're the victim.
41:01That is, like, the most victim-complex thing
41:03I've ever seen in my life.
41:04I just think you're a fake.
41:05I'm not fake.
41:06Okay, does anyone here think I'm fake?
41:08No.
41:09No.
41:10I know that you're fake, so...
41:11What do you think is fake?
41:12What do you think is fake about me?
41:14You can't say that and not back it up.
41:16Say it.
41:18What's fake?
41:19I just feel uncomfortable saying it to you.
41:21Just say it.
41:22Why are you looking to her for validation to say it?
41:24Because it's going to her,
41:25like, what you've done behind her back yet again.
41:27What?
41:28What, I've done behind her back?
41:30Yes.
41:31Okay, I'll admit to that.
41:32Do you want me to say it?
41:33Oh, absolutely, say it.
41:34What?
41:35Okay, she doesn't think you're good at hair,
41:37and she told me not to go to you for hair,
41:38and that's why I went to a different salon,
41:40because she doesn't think you're good at all,
41:41and she said that she's, like, stuck in a thing with you.
41:43Huh?
41:44You don't think she's good at hair,
41:45but, like, you feel, like, obligated to go to her.
41:47She said do not go to her if she's not good at hair.
41:50No, I didn't at all.
41:52Oh, my hell.
41:53I said to go to Jay-Z.
41:54I don't know how they do with color.
41:56They're great at extensions, but...
41:57That's your best friend.
41:59I literally had had my hair done one time by them.
42:02I didn't know how they work.
42:04But were you happy with that one time?
42:06I don't remember.
42:08Do you see how she can't answer?
42:10Okay, should we just have the resolution
42:12of the petty IG post and move on from it?
42:15No, because she's a... she's fake,
42:17and I think she's a bitch.
42:18I really, truly think that.
42:19I don't think it's fair to, like,
42:21try to turn, like, other people against each other right now, though.
42:23I'm trying to tell her, like,
42:24how her friend's chick is saying behind her back.
42:26To hear Miranda and Whitney take Demi's side,
42:29I'm in complete shock.
42:31I'm the only one who stuck up for them,
42:33and, like, you did me dirty again?
42:37Do you not think that's...
42:38Oh, Taylor, talk to me, talk to me,
42:40because this is about me.
42:41Look me in the eyes, you narcissist.
42:42Look at me.
42:43I know how Taylor can be sometimes,
42:45especially online and throwing up something petty
42:47just for clicks.
42:49But I also see why it was very upsetting
42:52to some of the other girls,
42:53because I don't think that private things
42:55should be shared to everyone on the Internet.
42:57So...
42:58Okay, do we want to get into how you are behind closed doors?
43:01Should we open that door?
43:02Go for it.
43:03Okay, so should we talk about
43:04the way that you treat your boyfriend?
43:06Go get help.
43:07Stop hurting people.
43:08Take accountability for what you're doing.
43:10It's not okay.
43:11Yes, from my history.
43:12It's every goddamn time you're with us,
43:14you're going through a hard time.
43:15For hell's sakes.
43:17This is a you problem.
43:18Let's go ask Dakota.
43:20Go on, bring him back.
43:22No, no.
43:23I'm gonna protect your ever in this situation.
43:29Like, thinking back to Taylor's arrest,
43:31Taylor and Dakota,
43:32they're so toxic in their relationship.
43:34They brought up this nasty side in each other.
43:36And given the nature of their relationship
43:39and what has happened up until this point,
43:41I would never put my child in that environment.
43:45When you have the audacity to sit here
43:47and try to ruin my reputation,
43:49we are done.
43:50Let's take it there, Taylor.
43:52The need goes to one of the worst times of my life.
43:56We've seen the body cam footage.
43:57It's no secret that Dakota and I
43:59have struggled with unhealthy patterns.
44:01I was called, like, a child abuser,
44:03the worst mom in the world.
44:04It's not easy to hear as a mom.
44:06You don't want to be labeled as that.
44:08And it's not true,
44:09because I didn't hurt my daughter.
44:10And I don't want to, like, justify
44:12or make excuses for it,
44:13but I've taken the steps and the time
44:15to work through those things.
44:16And so for Demi to still bring that up
44:19and talk about my child,
44:20this isn't about being petty or bitchy.
44:23This could be life-ruining.
44:25I don't think it's fair to the initial argument, though,
44:29what we're here for.
44:30I feel like things are getting really out of hand
44:32and really messy.
44:33I feel like this is becoming
44:34a really ugly battle between Demi and Taylor.
44:36I love talking about hair, but...
44:38Yeah, I think that it's gotten a little off-topic.
44:40I think that we just need to come back to what it was.
44:43I mean, where do you guys stand when you can speak?
44:45Well, I just have one question.
44:47All I want to know is, are you sorry?
44:49To all of you and how I made you feel
44:51and the people coming at you, yes.
44:52I'm sorry for that part, and that is it.
44:54Okay.
44:55I'm gonna go enjoy that party.
44:57That's all I wanted to know.
44:58Demi and I are getting closer,
45:00so I can see how aggravating this is for her.
45:02Taylor, you are on your own.
45:05Goodbye.
45:06Need my wings.
45:08Watch your head.
45:10Can I talk to you?
45:11Me?
45:12Yeah.
45:13Mom talk is supposed to be sisterhood
45:16and support and genuine friendships.
45:18However, I think Demi has let the money side
45:22and greed go to her head.
45:24Yes, mom talk is a business, but it's much more than that.
45:27I'm not scared of her, but she's a scary girl,
45:30if that makes sense.
45:31And we all need to be aware.
45:35And I just wanted to say I'm, like, sorry,
45:37and I just, I want you to be careful with her as well.
45:39Yeah.
45:40This is the second time she's done you dirty behind your back.
45:42Yeah, I'm aware.
45:43Was that necessary to even tell you?
45:45Because, like, that was weighing on me.
45:46Yeah, no, so going to that, I'm glad I know.
45:48I am.
45:49I'm her, obviously, and I'm, like, embarrassed
45:50because it sucks that, like, that is my business I put out there,
45:52and I don't want anyone thinking I'm bad,
45:54especially without context.
45:55That's your best friend sending people elsewhere.
45:57Yes, and that is super hurtful.
45:59So, yes, I'm glad I know.
46:00I do feel like I wouldn't have ever known, probably,
46:04and it does make me wonder other things that were said.
46:06I don't know what to do right now.
46:07I feel like I'm kind of in shock.
46:08Like, I just don't know how to, like, approach it.
46:10But I appreciate you telling me.
46:12I am feeling betrayed and kind of deflated.
46:15Like, I feel like a deflated balloon.
46:16This group as a whole is really damaged.
46:18It's gotten to a really hostile point,
46:20and I don't know what's going to happen.
46:23I don't know.
46:24It just feels like the whole group right now,
46:25like, I don't know where we're going to go from here.
46:27It feels...
46:28It's a mess.
46:29It is a mess.
46:35I'm so excited.
46:36New Orleans has always been on my bucket list.
46:37Is that a pregnancy test?
46:38We're going to play pregnancy roulette.
46:40I was not planning on telling the girls I'm pregnant.
46:43Oh!
46:46I'm going to cry.
46:47Who is this?
46:48What I said was not shitting on your business.
46:50It was strictly what...
46:51But it is.
46:52He is the raw and the opposite of what mom talk is about.
46:55Like, shut up.
46:57Did everyone get the video of Jen?
46:58What?
46:59There are so many fractures within our group right now.
47:02Does anyone care about me?
47:04Taylor, I really don't see the need for her to even stick around.
47:07I'd go to war.
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