The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 2
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00:00Like, now I am ready to own up to things.
00:04Miranda, she was a swinger.
00:06She was very much involved in the whole situation.
00:08But Miranda and Chase, her husband, during the time
00:11denied everything and tried to make
00:13Taylor to look like a villain.
00:14And so that's why I feel like we all
00:16have a hard time with Miranda.
00:17I definitely think Miranda sees how well MomTalk is doing.
00:21And now she's just coming on back,
00:22even though she doesn't talk to any of us
00:24for, like, two and a half years.
00:26It doesn't feel like the intention's pure.
00:27I don't ever think the intention ever
00:29will feel pure.
00:30I don't think I have any intention of us
00:31all hanging out in group settings every single weekend.
00:33I believe you.
00:35I trust your intentions.
00:37I know it's not.
00:38It's hard conversations to have.
00:41I don't think one single part of me
00:42wants to hear what Whitney has to say.
00:44I don't really give a shit.
00:45She's not even part of the group.
00:46MomTalk is my chosen family, and I've
00:48become more protective over it.
00:50So ideally, I would love for Whitney and Miranda
00:53to link up and leave all of us alone.
00:55Girl can dream.
00:57I think it's just when it's all put out there,
00:59and it's like, he said, she said.
01:00It's like, OK, well, who's lying to us?
01:01Like, we just don't, no one wants to be lied to,
01:03I think, is the problem.
01:04I wasn't ready to own anything.
01:06Like, the reason I never even brought up
01:08the whole, like, kissing thing and initially,
01:09like, wanted to deny that is because it's
01:11still freaking weird.
01:12That wasn't something I wanted to continue doing, right?
01:14This is, like, awkward to talk about,
01:16like, with the church and, like, family and everything.
01:18Like, it still was shameful and uncomfortable to bring up.
01:24I have, like, animosity, I think, with us
01:27because I felt, like, very left by you.
01:29We were like sisters.
01:30I feel like you thought maybe I was leading Chase on when
01:33I've never liked Chase a day in my life, and he knows that,
01:36and that's why he hates me and is obsessed.
01:38But I told him about a dream.
01:41I feel like Miranda thinks I led Chase on while they were still
01:43married because I told him that I had, like,
01:46a sex dream about him.
01:47And honestly, I didn't think anything of it.
01:49Because of what we were doing, that seemed so mild to me.
01:52Like, a sex dream?
01:54What to do?
01:54I really didn't think a dream was a big deal,
01:57considering we're making out with each other
01:58and touching each other on the weekends.
02:01It felt like it just, like, opened up a space for him
02:04to feel comfortable to say things to you.
02:06Shortly after I told Chase about the sex dream,
02:08Chase came to me at the gym and told me
02:12that he had feelings for me.
02:14And basically, that was him, like, trying to open a door.
02:16And I was like, I, like, am flattered and I appreciate it,
02:18but I do not feel the same.
02:20It just felt very hurtful that, like,
02:21you were telling everyone in our friend group,
02:23but you never told me.
02:24Yeah, that is my bad.
02:25I was being a bad friend of, like,
02:27not immediately going to you and be like,
02:28this is what your husband said,
02:30but I knew I would lose you that day.
02:34It was hard just because it was also, I mean,
02:35I was, like, four months postpartum.
02:37I know.
02:38And then I was also, like,
02:46I lost my best friend, dude.
02:48Yeah.
02:50I don't think you'd think about the fact that I cared,
02:53but I cared.
02:54Like, it hurt a lot.
02:55I just never wanted to know because I was so mad.
02:58Yeah.
02:59And I completely understand the husband thing
03:02because I feel like as a best friend,
03:03you owe that to your best friend to tell him no matter what.
03:06And that's where I went bad and I know that.
03:08I appreciate that.
03:10We were so inexperienced.
03:12There was no balance.
03:13There was no discussion.
03:14So lines were blurred.
03:16The girls have this resentment towards her
03:19and they all stuck by my back.
03:21So it's like almost as I should have
03:22that resentment as well.
03:23However, they don't know the extent of the situation.
03:27I think they forget I was also a villain in that story.
03:30There will be a conversation between Miranda and I
03:33without everyone.
03:33I would love that.
03:34It's just me and her.
03:36I've always wanted to get past this,
03:38but I was in, like, a very different place.
03:41There was so much that I literally
03:44did not have it in me to face.
03:47I'm proud of you both.
03:48Just to be able to sit in the same room
03:51and have this conversation,
03:52no matter how it goes and how you move forward.
03:55I guess I never really considered the fact
03:57that Taylor and Miranda were really good friends
03:59before all the fallout happened.
04:01And I could understand why Miranda would miss that
04:03and feel like she's longing for a place
04:06and them kind of longing to be friends again.
04:10It's been a hell of a couple of years, huh?
04:12Yes, it's been awful.
04:14I was telling them I've become a lot more softer
04:16than I was.
04:17Really?
04:18I feel like I can see that.
04:19Yeah, it's made me soft.
04:20And I think we're just more empathetic
04:21because I feel like when people are struggling,
04:23Whitney, for example, has been destroyed on the internet.
04:27And I felt nothing but empathy for her
04:29because, yes, you might have made a lot
04:31of your own decisions and pissed a lot of people off,
04:34but I've been in your place.
04:36And when you're kicked while you're down,
04:38freaking sucks and it can make you go insane.
04:41I'm trying to make amends with all of these women.
04:45What we learn in the church is to open our heart, forgive.
04:48Everyone's being cordial,
04:49but I can feel I'm not necessarily wanted here right now.
04:52So it's really nice to have Taylor sticking up for me.
04:55I feel like these little steps are being taken.
04:59I'm really hoping the momentum and the growth
05:01that we're making doesn't stop.
05:03Everyone's like, Whitney freaking hates you, Taylor.
05:05Whatever, but I just want people to know
05:07that I've been there at the fucking bottom, kicked,
05:11and it sucks.
05:12Well, I don't hate you, but I appreciate that.
05:16Just wanted everyone in the room to know that too.
05:19Taylor's preaching tonight.
05:21I love it.
05:22Amen.
05:22Hallelujah.
05:24Get her a name tag.
05:26Just kidding.
05:28I'm kind of confused because I feel like we still
05:30didn't get to the bottom of this swinging scandal tonight.
05:33Miranda skirted around the issue a lot.
05:35I'm throwing a Halloween party next week.
05:37So I think I need to expand my guest list.
05:39Miranda's ex-husband, Chase, is dating my friend.
05:42So not only am I going to invite him,
05:44I invited Miranda too.
05:45I think that trust is everything in friendships.
05:47Trust and mom talk, we don't have anything.
05:49And I think we'll be able to tell who's lying
05:51and who's not if we get them in the same room.
05:55I'm glad we had a little icebreaker sesh
05:58before your party.
06:00Yeah, when is that, by the way?
06:01It's exciting.
06:02When is that again?
06:02Next week.
06:03Oh, okay.
06:04Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
06:07♪ Come ye saints and come ye sinners ♪
06:11♪ Alleluia ♪
06:15♪ Listen up ♪
06:17♪ I'm the one you've been dreaming of ♪
06:20♪ I've got everything you could ever want ♪
06:24♪ Try me you see me I'll bring you to your knees ♪
06:28♪ Baby you're gonna believe ♪
06:30♪ Enough is enough enough enough initiation ♪
06:34♪ Enough is enough enough enough enough initiation ♪
06:38♪ Enough is enough enough enough enough initiation ♪
06:42♪♪
06:46-♪ B to the I to the G, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
06:51Suspect is a multimillionaire
06:52but still orders a kid's meal at every restaurant.
06:55-♪ Just a spot, top tier ♪
06:56♪ B to the I to the G, uh, my weak boy, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
07:01This is so me.
07:02It's so you.
07:03It's like Barbie girl, like...
07:04Oh, wait, these ones are cute, too, like the denim.
07:06No, I love the denim.
07:08Hello!
07:09McKay!
07:11Hello!
07:12Look how cute you look!
07:14I'm super excited for the Halloween party,
07:16and I really need to find a costume.
07:18That's actually so cute.
07:19I really want that.
07:20And now I'm divorced.
07:21I just got my body redone.
07:23I want to show it off.
07:24I'm also dating somebody new right now.
07:27Cameron is a soccer coach.
07:28He was raised Mormon, and his dad is a bishop.
07:31Me and him have been together for about four months now.
07:35He seriously is the best.
07:36He sees me, he loves me in ways
07:38that I didn't think that anyone could love me,
07:40and I feel confident in myself for the first time
07:43in a really long time.
07:44Hello!
07:45Hey!
07:46Hi!
07:47You guys are all the same vibe.
07:49I, like, went total opposite.
07:51I kind of want to try these.
07:52We need some for stagecoach.
07:53Yeah.
07:54Wait, Jen going to stagecoach, right?
07:55Is that the same thing?
07:56I don't know.
07:57How is she doing?
07:58Taylor was saying Jen told her
07:59that Zach was planning on moving back in their house
08:02and working things out because he's a changed man.
08:05A changed man.
08:06I think it just breaks my heart,
08:07because it's like,
08:08I just don't know how much better it can get from that.
08:11Maybe, like, he really has changed,
08:12but I just feel like he's shown his true character,
08:14and, like, I don't know.
08:16How would you feel if he went to a Magic Mike concert?
08:19Being divorced and taking care of two kids
08:21would be kind of tough,
08:22so I guess you make the decision.
08:24She had me read their entire thread.
08:26I'm done with you.
08:27I'm done with our marriage.
08:28Really?
08:29I'm done.
08:30You're disgusting.
08:31He said, I don't love you anymore.
08:32I don't love you.
08:33When it's that bad,
08:34where, like, you're telling your spouse you don't love them,
08:37and you're a bad mom, whatever,
08:40there's not many success stories of
08:41it's better than ever after that low of a look.
08:43Yeah.
08:44I think women tend to put up with a lot more
08:46in their marriages in the Mormon church,
08:48because it is frowned upon to get divorced.
08:50Maybe there's a little bit of that playing in
08:52with Jen and Zach's relationship.
08:54Jen said it was a trial, period.
08:56Oh, what does that mean?
08:57They're just gonna test out the waters, I guess,
08:59and see if he's actually changed,
09:00and then if not, I'm like,
09:01they're gonna kick him out again.
09:04I'll be the last one standing
09:07I'll be the last one standing
09:18Last one standing
09:21I'll see you on the other side
09:23I'm staying here tonight
09:25Got one! Got one!
09:26There you go.
09:27Whoa!
09:28Damn!
09:29Oh, nice, dude.
09:30You see that one?
09:31Yeah, I did.
09:32I can see why you guys do this.
09:34It's relaxing, isn't it?
09:37Yeah, dude, that's why I do it.
09:39I'm from Idaho, so I love fly fishing.
09:42It's like therapy for me.
09:44Oh, shit! Shit!
09:46With everything that's going on with Taylor,
09:48I just wanted to hang out with my friends,
09:50and just clear my head.
09:52We're just trying to chill.
09:54So, Dakota, what's going on with you and Taylor now?
09:56Yeah, things have been super rough,
09:58but I get why everything I did hurt her ten times more.
10:02I just screwed up.
10:04I friggin' lied.
10:06I don't know, dude.
10:07I just feel for my son.
10:08I've never been a dad.
10:09It's the most important thing ever to me in my life right now.
10:12And I feel like I'm losing that.
10:15Oh, freak.
10:17Co-parenting and living alone.
10:19Fuck.
10:20Just trying to navigate all this,
10:23that's been challenging for me.
10:25I messed up.
10:27And I wish I could go back and change that
10:29because I love Taylor more than anyone.
10:31That's where I have to come in
10:33and start showing her
10:36that I made things right,
10:38I want to fix this,
10:40and I'm willing to do whatever it takes.
10:42But I do feel like Taylor's parents
10:44have been there for me,
10:46even with our situation right now.
10:48Like Leanne just invited me
10:50to a barbecue at her place this weekend.
10:52If you could come for dinner, that would be great.
10:54Thank you. I appreciate you inviting me.
10:56Jer and I both wanted to sit down with you.
10:58Are you going to be here?
11:00Yeah, Jeremy, I'll be there.
11:02You better, pussy.
11:06Hey, Zach, you just barely moved back?
11:08Yeah, like five days ago.
11:10Have you liked being back so far?
11:12Yeah, it's been good.
11:14We've been doing ketamine therapy together.
11:16You're kidding me.
11:18Yeah, more than anything, I'm just back to support Jen.
11:20So, like, the whole Chippendale thing,
11:22how would you have operated differently?
11:24What I did was wrong.
11:26And, like, I have to live with the repercussions of that
11:28the rest of my life.
11:30It's just been a good time for me to, like,
11:32look inside and kind of see what changes I need to make.
11:35Oh, shit.
11:37Sorry, Zach, give me just a second.
11:39This is some bullshit I'm dealing with.
11:41Are you guys still going to church and everything?
11:43Uh, I'm not currently going, no.
11:45Jen still wants to go, and I think eventually we will.
11:47Interesting.
11:49Okay, so that's more from your side.
11:51Yeah, it's 100% me.
11:53Wait, whoa, that is crazy, dude.
11:55I feel not accepted. I also feel honestly embarrassed.
11:57We've had, like, a couple nasty interactions with people.
11:59At church?
12:01Yeah.
12:03That's what I had to go through.
12:05I get death threats from women all the time.
12:07Yeah, I probably had 50 to 100 DMs saying, like,
12:09you deserve to die.
12:11Like, if I saw you in person, I'd kill you.
12:13Jeez.
12:15You know, if you have, like, a good relationship with God
12:17and you're trying to figure it out with Him,
12:19I don't think anything else matters.
12:21100%?
12:23Yeah.
12:25I really like all the husbands.
12:27We have a weird bond.
12:29We kind of all are in a similar situation.
12:32If you're going to be saying to me an apology,
12:34it probably won't be the funnest conversation,
12:36but for us to heal in our marriage,
12:38I think it needs to happen.
12:40I'm just hoping to move past this whole situation.
12:42So how come all the Utah boys are catching fish
12:44and the Idaho boy...
12:46I already caught... Dude, I had a couple on.
12:48Oh, I didn't see it.
12:50Yeah, I caught one, and then...
12:52Oh, shit.
12:54The guy's pouring his guts out.
12:56Hasn't caught one fish.
12:58You know I can't multitask, dude.
13:01Okay.
13:03Let's do this.
13:05I've never been up against someone's husband, so...
13:07I know.
13:09This is a new feeling.
13:11This is so interesting.
13:13Give me Whitney all day, every day,
13:15but this is different.
13:17Apparently, Jen has asked Zach to meet with me
13:19and Demi.
13:21I definitely feel like they're better off apart,
13:23but I guess if this is going to help Jen,
13:25I'm all for it.
13:27I don't know.
13:30Jen, I'm all for it, so I'm curious to see how this goes.
13:32Jen told me
13:34that it was like
13:36after a ketamine session that he's like,
13:38I want to meet with them.
13:40So maybe he had visions of us.
13:42Visions of boring?
13:44He's like, I need to meet with my Lord and Savior.
13:46I don't know, I just feel...
13:48Jessie!
13:50His Lord and Savior, us.
13:52We are.
13:54I'm nervous going into this conversation
13:56with Demi and Jessie.
13:58They can both be very aggressive.
14:00I don't know if they're going to accept my apology,
14:02but I want to show Jen
14:04how much I support her,
14:06and I feel like whoever Jen decides to be friends with,
14:08I want her to feel that support.
14:10But yeah, they spread a lot of rumors and lies about me.
14:12For that reason, I'm a little bit scared
14:14about how this conversation is going to go.
14:16Are we ready to do this?
14:18All right, girl power.
14:20Power in the pussy.
14:23Hello.
14:25Hi, guys.
14:27How are you?
14:29Good to see you.
14:31Thanks for coming, guys.
14:33This feels like a business meeting.
14:35I know, it kind of feels like an interview.
14:37It does.
14:39You're like, what are your good qualities?
14:41What do you struggle with?
14:43We know what you struggle with, but just kidding.
14:45Thanks, Jessie, I appreciate that.
14:47But thank you guys for coming.
14:49I feel like there's been some weird contention
14:52and things ever since Vegas.
14:54I said some super hurtful things to Jen.
14:56Gambling and then complaining about Chippendales
14:58is like, I look like the biggest hypocrite in the world.
15:00Yeah.
15:02I could have easily just been like, hey, I'm bummed out,
15:04but I get you were having fun, you were being a supportive friend.
15:06And I didn't, and I regret that.
15:08Yes.
15:10I'm grateful for what you guys said.
15:12Honestly, it has been transformative for our marriage.
15:14Because then it's helped us
15:16have some of the hardest conversations we've ever had.
15:18What is going on right now?
15:21He is doing a full 180,
15:23and I was not expecting this at all.
15:25I just wanted to address with you, Demi.
15:27Watching it back, I was like, damn.
15:29She was talking major shit on me.
15:31Major truth, not shit.
15:33Just calling out the behavior, that's all.
15:35Some things, like for example,
15:37you said I gambled my medical school tuition.
15:39Just so you know, that's a blatant lie.
15:41Well, that came from Jen, though.
15:43Jen told us that the night before when I was reading the text.
15:45I don't want to throw Jen into this
15:47because I just want to take accountability.
15:50Well, is that true or false?
15:52That is 100% a blatant lie.
15:54I would have never just made that up
15:56or like, brought that up
15:58if I didn't think that that was the truth.
16:00And that also goes into what we thought about you.
16:02Because we have been told certain things,
16:04so that kind of just played into the mindset we had
16:06when it comes to you.
16:08I think what scares me is when she's like,
16:10he has to learn, he can't be a narcissist.
16:12And we're like, what?
16:14She just uses language that's a little scary.
16:16I have never seen anyone take
16:18accountability like he has,
16:20especially having those narcissistic traits
16:22that he carries.
16:24Because a lot of times it's not just environmental,
16:26it's passed down genetically.
16:28To me, I guess I thought
16:30those were conversations you were having.
16:32Yeah, I thought that was pretty harsh
16:34coming from your partner.
16:36I don't feel like that's who I am
16:38and that's not who I want to be.
16:40There's always been an element of Jen
16:42where I don't fully trust what she's saying.
16:44I feel like not a lot of it is sincere or genuine.
16:47And I blamed it on the relationship.
16:49She's not sure what to say or how to say it
16:51because how Zach will react.
16:53But now that I'm hearing these things,
16:55I'm like, is she just not trustworthy as a person?
16:57Does she not like confrontation
16:59and she doesn't like to make people upset
17:01so she tells everyone what they want to hear?
17:03I'm really, really confused.
17:05She's expressed to me
17:07that you guys were so there that night
17:09but then no one in the group has been there since.
17:11That's what pisses me off
17:13because I have texted her.
17:16She doesn't respond.
17:18I've tried so for her to say that sucks.
17:20I only have Jen's perspective.
17:22I don't know what you guys have or haven't done.
17:24And obviously I'm going to take my wife's side
17:26because that's what I'm supposed to do.
17:28It sounds like a pattern.
17:30We've only had Jen's perspective too on you
17:32and it seems like it's not matching up
17:34which is concerning.
17:36Things are adding up when it comes to Jen.
17:38It sounds like she is spinning things in her favor
17:40like she's playing both sides and I don't like that.
17:42If it turns out that the things that Zach is saying
17:45is true, then she absolutely needs to be
17:47held accountable for that.
17:49It sounds like I have some tough conversations
17:51I need to have with my own wife.
18:15Hello.
18:17Oh, you look so cute.
18:19Hey, buddy.
18:21Look at his little eyes.
18:23Wait, I want him.
18:25Now we just need Dakota to show up.
18:27Did you know he was coming?
18:29Did I tell you?
18:31I don't care.
18:33I don't care.
18:35I don't care.
18:37I don't care.
18:39I don't care.
18:41I don't care.
18:43I don't care.
18:45Yes, you do care.
18:47Yeah, you do.
18:49Because you would have already been gone if you didn't care.
18:51Ever since Jenna and finding out everything I have
18:53I feel like I am really struggling.
18:55Dakota and I, we have lack of communication
18:57and it's affecting our co-parenting
18:59but it's hard because
19:01my parents really want us to give our all
19:03before we say we quit.
19:05So what are you going to be for Halloween?
19:07Oh, I am
19:09Gretchen Wieners.
19:12From Mean Girls?
19:14Are you a slutty Gretchen?
19:16Or are you going to be just...
19:18I'm a cat, so I'm pretty covered.
19:20So pretty boring.
19:24So who's all going to the party?
19:26I wish I could go.
19:28So you can be friend Chase and talk to him?
19:30Yeah, I don't know why you like Chase.
19:32They're nice to me. Why should I be mean to anybody that's not nice?
19:34Because they treated your daughter like shit.
19:36I don't understand.
19:38My mom's a real estate agent
19:41and Chase and Miranda's realtor, when they were still married
19:43and for some reason she will always stay in touch with them.
19:45It's just, I'm not surprised either
19:47because she's always his wife.
19:49Do you care that I talk to Chase or Miranda?
19:51I don't have the capacity to be worrying
19:53about that type of shit
19:55when I have my own shit, you know?
20:05My goal is always to be
20:07with Taylor.
20:10And I think the only way to have a lasting relationship
20:12is you have to get really good
20:14at forgiving each other
20:16and not go backwards.
20:18I want to truly try to go forward.
20:20Hello?
20:22Who is it?
20:24You know who it is.
20:26Oh, for hell's sakes.
20:28Your favorite friend.
20:30Oh, well, there's the big guy.
20:32Hi!
20:34Hi, Brandon.
20:36Hi, Taylor.
20:39Okay, I guess I'm just going to touch the corn.
20:41Oh, we're doing it down there.
20:43Oh, I thought it was out here.
20:45I'm going to go take these in.
20:47You want to grab that corn so bad, don't you?
20:49You want to grab the cookies, one of you?
20:51Yeah.
20:57Does anybody want any corn?
20:59I'm good right now. Thank you, though.
21:01You're just so quiet.
21:03Like, you're just so closed off.
21:05I'm at loss for words.
21:07You guys were together and then not together
21:09and then what's today?
21:11What's today looking like, I guess?
21:13I don't know. Not...
21:15It's just so exhausting going back and forth,
21:17back and forth, on, off.
21:19It's not good.
21:21We're all tired of it, like, really.
21:23It's obvious.
21:25You guys started your relationship
21:27on a foundation of shit.
21:30Be honest.
21:32You didn't heal from your divorce.
21:34You had a ton of baggage.
21:36It's hard because you guys have a damn kid now.
21:38Yeah.
21:40I always cry at these things, too.
21:42I sure am.
21:44Shows you're a good human.
21:46Look, a relationship isn't
21:4850-50.
21:50It's 100% on both ends.
21:52It feels like there's a little bit lacking
21:54on one end.
21:56It's going to take me a while to get there.
21:59He slept with another girl. He admitted it.
22:01I was so sad that I needed space.
22:03He went and hooked up with Jenna that very night
22:05I found out and was bawling my eyes out.
22:07During the time when I slept with the girl,
22:09I hung with Taylor three times or two times.
22:11Two nights after that, he goes,
22:13and Taylor, you're pretty much the only girl I'm seeing.
22:15I'm trash to him.
22:17You come over the next night, fuck me,
22:19and then you go and you hang out with another girl
22:21and then he comes the next night and fucks me again.
22:23Well, okay, okay, okay.
22:25I wasn't lying to you about someone else.
22:28Here's the thing. I'm going to be blunt,
22:30freaking honest.
22:32He just told me that you guys had seen each other
22:34three times before all this.
22:36And then you're sitting there telling me
22:38that he came over and had sex with you?
22:40What does that say about you?
22:44I'm not pointing fingers.
22:46That's what I'm saying.
22:48I was trash.
22:50I know.
22:52No, no, no.
22:54I guess what I'm hearing is
22:56you deserve what you got
22:58because you, like, gave it up so easily.
23:00That's what I hear.
23:02And when you hear your parents say that,
23:04like, why were you expecting to be respected?
23:06It, like, hurts.
23:10It just confirms my insecurities
23:12and my beliefs about myself.
23:14You're not trash.
23:16Yes, you did!
23:19What I'm saying, let me finish.
23:23Let me finish.
23:25You guys both had so much baggage.
23:29Because I know.
23:31I know I didn't have self-respect.
23:33It doesn't change that when you lie
23:35you go hook up with another girl while you're apologizing.
23:37I know, but you're supposed to give the other person
23:39the benefit of the doubt.
23:41I just found out that I was fucked over.
23:43And no one is saying,
23:45oh, get over it right now.
23:48Sacrifice it just for a little bit.
23:50He was asking her to hang out in the day
23:52and I was only nights.
23:54This is driving me nuts when she's saying this shit.
23:56And I had to ask him.
23:58That's the biggest lie I've ever seen in my life
24:00and I'm not going to let you keep saying that lie to me.
24:02You did.
24:04Stop saying that lie to me because that is not true.
24:06And when you're asking me to come over at night
24:08all the time,
24:10what is that telling me as a guy?
24:12Why did I have to ask that?
24:14Because I've already told you.
24:17You're forgetting that I'm coming from a very broken place too.
24:19That matters.
24:21You can't just disregard the shit that I just went through
24:23and where I was at in my life here.
24:25Okay, but you knowing that,
24:27then don't come into my life and pretend to be pretty charming.
24:29So why did you want to come into my life?
24:31Taylor, give an inch so he can walk a mile.
24:33Just give fucking two inches of sacrifice
24:35and see what he can do.
24:39Why are you guys all coming at me?
24:41I feel very unheard.
24:43Judged.
24:46Like, let's move on.
24:48Let's get over it.
24:50And I'm like, in what world am I supposed to just let this go?
24:54You guys, it takes a season to grow anything.
24:56I just think that you need to forgive yourself.
25:00That's where it all comes down to
25:02because you guys weren't really together to me.
25:04And yes, you shouldn't have slept with him
25:06and that's why we always tell you.
25:08That's not the fucking point!
25:10He lied?
25:12Yes, that is so wrong.
25:14You weren't together.
25:16So what are you saying right now?
25:18You need to go through therapy
25:20and give him some grace.
25:22If you love him,
25:24then it's worth trying.
25:26Family is something that I strongly believe in.
25:28That's exactly my whole point.
25:30I have still chose
25:32to stick through this
25:34and try to figure this out.
25:36You know it too and that's why it drives me nuts
25:38because you do know how much I care and love you, Taylor.
25:40Dude, I have a child with you.
25:43All I've wanted is a family.
25:45Why do I want to come here?
25:47Then don't come!
25:49Stop! You guys are not going anywhere.
25:51Honestly, I think you guys need to be separated
25:53and stay separated.
25:55You need to work. Focus on you.
25:57You need to keep going to therapy
25:59and you need to give yourself grace.
26:01You carry so much guilt
26:03with your kids and what happened.
26:05Now you have Ever and he can feel tension
26:07in the house when you guys are together.
26:09You can tell.
26:12I know what's best for him and I'm sorry
26:14it's staying separated right now.
26:18If God really did send him to you,
26:20he will bring him back to you.
26:22It's you and Satan in your own head
26:24and it's eating you alive.
26:26Put it in God's hands because I honestly think
26:28it will blossom after.
26:30I think I was punished for what I did.
26:32Oh my gosh, Taylor.
26:34I'm going to let you feel what you did to somebody.
26:36God is not like that.
26:38I didn't cheat on you.
26:41It is betrayal but
26:43I don't think that we're getting anywhere right now.
26:45I have to work in the morning.
26:47So get out.
26:49No, not get out but
26:51if we can say a prayer
26:53since we didn't pray before we ate.
26:57Dear Congressional Assembly Father,
26:59we're so grateful for this night.
27:01We're so grateful to have
27:03Dakota and Taylor be able to
27:05try to figure things out.
27:08And please bless that
27:10they can love one another
27:12and we're grateful for
27:14our family. Sometimes
27:16we don't all get along but
27:18we're grateful and I say this
27:20in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
27:24As angry and mad as I am
27:26shutting the door is just
27:28not going to happen right now.
27:32I feel like I
27:34still obviously have lots of feelings
27:36towards him.
27:40I do love Dakota.
27:42That's why
27:44I'm in so much pain.
28:06Uh-uh-uh-uh.
28:08Uh-uh-uh-uh.
28:12It's important for me that
28:14Zach makes peace with Jesse
28:16and Demi because I feel like
28:18a lot of the resentment
28:20they have towards me is actually
28:22because of the resentment
28:24they have towards Zach.
28:26Hi babe. Hi. How did it go?
28:28Um...
28:30That was a little rough.
28:32Oh no. You want to come sit right here?
28:35So...
28:37They were basically like, Zach the reason
28:39we have such negative feelings towards you is
28:41every time we're with Jen
28:43all it is is negativity.
28:45All she says is how
28:47horrible you are, how narcissistic you are.
28:49You're kidding me right now.
28:51And I clarified a lot of lies and things that had
28:53been said about me and they're like, well that's what we
28:55had heard. Like I haven't really
28:57talked to them at all since Vegas.
28:59In fact they've never even reached out to me.
29:01So they also called you out
29:04Called me out?
29:06Yes.
29:08Didn't feel like it was like a, hey how do we
29:10squash our beef to then support Jen?
29:12It kind of felt like it was everyone
29:14not...
29:16Against Zach? No, against you.
29:18Against me?
29:20It just bums me out sweetie because
29:22I've made mistakes. That being said it's like
29:24I feel like I'm so careful
29:26with my friends about the way
29:28like cause there's negative things that
29:30you do but I would never tell like
29:33these things because I don't want them to have this
29:35one-sided opinion. I don't want to vent to them about
29:37my marriage. All I've done
29:39since Vegas is defend you. On social
29:41media, with my friends, at
29:43the same time I'm also
29:45not defending your actions. But I have
29:47defended you and our
29:49relationship more times than you can
29:51even count. And do you know how
29:53many people have made me felt like delusional
29:55for doing that?
29:57And the crap that I've been through
29:59for defending you and your actions?
30:01If you don't trust them, then
30:03please don't go share
30:05all the negativity about our marriage.
30:07I mean
30:09the fact that they're saying that makes me
30:11so... Wait, you're not listening to me.
30:13Let me speak. You spoke for five minutes.
30:15Hear me out. Will I admit
30:17that there are times I talked
30:19negatively about you before
30:21Vegas? Yes. They said it's
30:23continued. No. No.
30:25In fact, they haven't been a part of my life after
30:27Vegas. I'm definitely triggered
30:30because Zach went there to apologize
30:32in the first place and now it's turned back
30:34on me. I need to have a conversation
30:36with the girls because I feel like if they truly
30:38valued me as a friend, they wouldn't be
30:40turning my husband against me.
30:42I just want to squash everything
30:44and get to the bottom of
30:46all of this. I would be happy to
30:48sit down with you and
30:50them. Yeah. I want to be straightforward
30:52about everything and I don't want to be playing telephone like
30:54I want everyone in the room. That's what it felt like is a lot
30:56of he said, she said. And I'm not playing the he
30:59said, she said anymore and I think it would
31:01be best if we were all in the same room.
31:23So I kind of thought this could be like a centerpiece
31:25for food. That'll be cute.
31:28I'm nervous. Look how cute.
31:30Spooky. That's gonna go out front,
31:32right? Yeah. Oh, they're here.
31:34Hello.
31:36We just let ourselves in. Welcome to our home.
31:38Jordan and I are having a Halloween party
31:40and we are having Brett and Demi over today.
31:42We had this idea to surprise
31:44everyone with a Chippendales performance
31:46starring Brett and Jordan. I think
31:48it's a chance for Zach to show
31:50that he's really changed and to
31:52just embrace this and be able to move
31:54forward. I mean, do you think this ends good?
31:57I know you're saying it's a coin flip, but what's your
31:59premonition to that? I don't know. They're like, stop yapping.
32:01For his sake, I hope obviously that
32:03he reacts normally.
32:05As though he's evolved. Do you think you're a little bit
32:07of a poster? I think I'm a therapist.
32:09It's gonna be crazy though, like getting
32:11everyone in one room. I heard that you're
32:13inviting Kate. Is she
32:15bringing Chase? I think so.
32:17Jesse inviting Chase
32:19to the Halloween party is so messy
32:21because everyone has literally
32:23hooked up with everyone. We had Taylor
32:25who was married to her ex-husband.
32:27They swung with Miranda
32:29and Chase. Chase fell
32:31in love with Taylor, but
32:33Taylor didn't reciprocate those same
32:35feelings for Chase, so Chase got
32:37butt hurt and he's been bashing her
32:39online ever since. Now Chase
32:41is dating one of Jesse's
32:43friends, Kate, but also
32:45Layla and Chase hooked up,
32:47so this is just gonna end so bad.
32:49I'm nervous about it. In a
32:51normal world, I would never put these people
32:53together in one room, but how else are we
32:55gonna get to the bottom of Miranda's involvement
32:57in the swinging scandal? Like if you wanna come
32:59back into MomTalk, you have to be
33:01willing to tell the truth.
33:05Oh my gosh, he's here, you guys.
33:07What if he broke out into a dance right now?
33:09How's it going? Good. Jordan. Jason.
33:11Jason, nice to meet you. Brett. Jason, nice to meet you guys.
33:13I think I oiled you up at one point.
33:15Yeah, there was a little bit of that backstage.
33:17We've flown in an actual
33:19host of Chippendales.
33:21He's going
33:23to teach them not only a choreographed
33:25dance, but be there with them in the
33:27performance. Brett is gonna look
33:29so sexy. We might need to
33:31implement this at home.
33:33Can you guys take off your shirts for this?
33:35Yeah, I think we need the shirts off. Oh boy.
33:37Just giving it a little tease.
33:39And then a no, no, no.
33:41Yeah, you gotta
33:43roll it. Yeah, I like that.
33:45Oh, I don't like that.
33:47Got it.
33:49So Jen's gonna be the guest of honor.
33:51She'll be right here. We're gonna give Jen
33:53the full Chippendales experience, and it's not
33:55the full experience. She doesn't get a lap dance,
33:57right?
34:05Next. You gotta get ready.
34:07I'm going in for this, too, then.
34:09Just let it go.
34:11And then you have to kiss her all again.
34:17That was incredible. I think that's good.
34:19And then after that, then it can just be, like, freestyle
34:21for a second and have fun with it, right? Yeah.
34:23Oh boy. I'm
34:25kind of nervous. This is either gonna be
34:27the best Halloween party ever, or
34:29the worst.
34:31I think you guys did a great job. We need a lot more
34:33practice. I mean...
34:35Hi, guys. Welcome in.
34:37We have our jammies and newborn in this
34:39first cubby. So you guys look around.
34:41You already see something. Look at the little bats.
34:43So cute.
34:45Oh, my God. It's adorable.
34:47Tomorrow.
34:49Look at the ghosts.
34:51I like the bats more. Okay.
34:53With everyone in Mom Talk, it's clear that
34:55there's still a lot of work to be done
34:57and a lot of work to be done.
34:59So we're gonna have to wait and see.
35:01We're gonna have to wait and see.
35:03With everyone in Mom Talk, it's clear that there's
35:05still some drama, animosity.
35:07There's tension
35:09right now. So you're still thinking it's a boy?
35:11Yes.
35:13I still think it's a girl. But lucky me,
35:15I can't afford being involved in any big drama
35:17anymore. Saved by the baby.
35:19God bless.
35:21Thank you. Good luck tomorrow.
35:23We'll be praying for you.
35:25Thank you. See you later.
35:33Oh, they're here.
35:35I am sweating.
35:37It's, like, really not any of our business,
35:39but we've been brought into it. I know.
35:41No, that's what I feel like right now. That's what sucks.
35:43I'm gonna throw up. I shouldn't be in this conversation.
35:45I know.
35:47Today, Jen and Zach are coming over.
35:49Jen unexpectedly reached out to Demi and I,
35:51and I'm wondering if it's about our conversation
35:53with Zach. I only have Jen's perspective.
35:55I don't know what you guys have or haven't done.
35:57Sounds like a pattern.
35:59We've only had Jen's perspective,
36:01too, on you, and it seems like it's not matching up.
36:03I think all of us left confused
36:05and wondering what the truth was,
36:07because Jen's telling him one thing
36:09and us another.
36:11Between Miranda and Jen, we seem to be dealing
36:13with so many lies and mom talk lately,
36:15and that's not a good feeling.
36:17You gonna wait for me?
36:19Sorry. I'm not wasting time.
36:21Okay.
36:23Do we wave?
36:25This is so comfy.
36:27I hate it.
36:29Hi!
36:31You look cute.
36:33You look all dressy, too.
36:35It definitely hurt hearing that
36:37Jesse and Demi were talking
36:39negatively about me
36:41to my husband. It makes me question
36:43if they're really on my side
36:45and if they really support me as a friend.
36:47If they have an issue with me,
36:49I would like them to confront that.
36:51Where is everyone at now?
36:53I just told Jen the truth.
36:55I told her, yeah, the girls basically said,
36:57when you're with them, you're talking
36:59bad about me. I guess we could just start there.
37:01Do you feel like you've only heard
37:03negative from me? Because I feel like the past six months
37:05all I've talked about is the progress that we've made.
37:07I mean, I've had moments where I've confided
37:09in you because I trust you, but my truth is
37:11our relationship is up and down.
37:13I don't feel like
37:15it's correct for you to say
37:17that all I've ever said
37:19was negative things.
37:21It's interesting to me that Jen is so
37:23upset with the involvement
37:25of everyone in her marriage when she was
37:27the one that brought everyone into her
37:29marriage and into those problems.
37:31We definitely still have our tough days
37:33where we just aren't on the same page.
37:35He just started
37:37questioning me and my character.
37:39It's just so frustrating.
37:41This could be the difference between
37:43us either breaking generational trauma
37:45or me leaving him.
37:47You are putting all of this out to the world
37:49and then you're getting upset when we
37:51have opinions. Our opinion
37:53is being formed by what we're hearing is what we were saying.
37:55I was being told that you gambled money that was
37:57being given to you by family, which
37:59apparently is not true, which I would
38:01like clarification on that because I would have never
38:03said that if that wasn't told to me.
38:05Maybe you want to clarify.
38:07That I...
38:09Babe.
38:11We can get into that if that's what you want, but
38:13I would appreciate if you would just tell them
38:15the truth and that is not the truth.
38:19No, he didn't gamble
38:21money that his parents sent us.
38:23Had I gambled money behind Jen's back? Yes.
38:25Had I sports bet behind her back?
38:27I think I had clarified. I don't remember
38:29telling you. What the fuck, Jen?
38:31Zach didn't gamble away
38:33the money that was given to him for medical school?
38:35That was a big reason
38:37why we all were so worried about her
38:39and her relationship. I don't even
38:41know what to believe right now.
38:45If you had the right intentions, you wouldn't have
38:47then continued to talk bad about
38:49my relationship.
38:51Every conversation we have,
38:53am I not? Trust your gut.
38:55Do what's best for you. Am I ever like
38:57leave his ass? He's a horrible person.
38:59I'm majority of the time
39:01team figure it out.
39:03Team marriage, yes
39:05or no. I know from your guys' perspective,
39:07you think you guys have been good friends to Jen,
39:09but in her reality, she doesn't feel that way.
39:11I didn't feel like anyone was there for me.
39:13There were... I sent you a text that said
39:15I have a feeling that I should check in on you right now.
39:17I love you. I hope you're doing okay. I also sent you
39:19a voice memo and said, I love you. I hope
39:21you're doing okay. And you kind of like ghost us.
39:23No, I disagree because
39:25after... You can't disagree. It's a fact.
39:27I checked in on you, Jen.
39:29I literally, oh my god.
39:31I am going to lose my mind.
39:33I have reached out to her
39:35multiple times. I've sent her voice memos,
39:37texts. She would respond to me like
39:39four or five days later, just like, thanks, love you.
39:41So to say I wasn't there
39:43is a lie. You chose to remove
39:45yourself, but rightfully so
39:47because I confided with you
39:49as a friend that I trusted. I didn't expect
39:51that you were going to then exploit this information.
39:53And then you told the whole group
39:55and then it was the whole group against
39:57me. How could I turn to you after that?
39:59If you had come to me, because you have,
40:01after Italy, you did come to me
40:03and I could easily talk about that, which I'm not
40:05going to. About what?
40:07Just everything that happened in Italy.
40:09What happened in Italy?
40:11Well, just how
40:13after Italy, Brett was crying
40:15to you and... No, he wasn't.
40:17He was like, you have nothing to
40:19worry about.
40:21Some of the girls and I took a trip
40:23to Italy to go to Vanderpump Villa
40:25and one of the guys specifically,
40:27Marciano, was like super flirtatious
40:29and I felt like I handled it the best that I
40:31could. Truly did nothing
40:33wrong. I genuinely feel like Jen is just
40:35grasping at straws. I feel like she almost
40:37wants me to be in trouble or
40:39for there to be an issue with me and Brett
40:41and the issue's not there.
40:43She's trying to just hide
40:45behind what's going on with her and all
40:47of the lies that she's telling that are coming
40:49to light and try to
40:51take the heat off of her.
40:53Jen, I'm not coming at your husband
40:55just to come at him. It's because I've been
40:57in a situation like this and I'm trying to be
40:59there for you because I love you.
41:01For so long, I was team Jen
41:03against Zach and now Jen's
41:05showing erratic behavior and starting to lie
41:07and showing what kind of friend she is
41:09and I don't think that's good for mom talk.
41:11I think there's a lot of things this group needs to deal with.
41:33Okay, here comes mom.
41:35I got this outfit. Is it supposed to be like
41:37a naughty nurse or something? Yes, it's supposed to be naughty
41:39but like it's, I'm literally, like if I
41:41let go of this, like this
41:43whole thing is going to come down. You have always told
41:45me that your fantasy was for me to dress up as
41:47a doctor so I see what you're going for.
41:49After talking to
41:51Jesse and Demi, I
41:53don't know where my friendship
41:55stands with them and if I can trust them.
41:57Oh my gosh, that's stupid.
41:59But I'm definitely not going to let that stop me from
42:01going to the Halloween party. Hopefully
42:03we can just have a good time.
42:05Do you have any others?
42:07Um...
42:09This is your Halloween party so I'm just
42:11going to be there to support. Wait, we could be
42:13JLo and Ben Affleck.
42:15He is your second cousin so like
42:17No, he's not. Yes.
42:19Yes. Okay.
42:21If that's what you want to keep telling people.
42:23I mean, that's what your family told me.
42:25That is not true. Yes, it is true.
42:27Okay. I think the whole
42:29Ben Affleck thing is hilarious.
42:31I feel like if anyone was related to Ben Affleck, that's
42:33something to imagine. With Zach,
42:35he's just trying to squash it.
42:37Even though his family did
42:39tell me that. What do you mean you're not
42:41related? Why are you sitting
42:43like this is a face-off? Because
42:45it is a face-off. You're not going to make me feel
42:47stupid. I'm not going to get into this.
42:49Wait a second. You're not going to make me feel stupid
42:51when that's all I've been told from your family.
42:53I had told you for months.
42:55Do you truly know if that's
42:57true or not? No, and I never claimed
42:59that either, babe. But have
43:01you heard that from your family? Are you going to let me speak
43:03or not? No. Have you heard that from your family, yes or no?
43:05I've heard that as a joke.
43:07No, not as a joke. No one's ever claimed
43:09to have some relationship with him, besides
43:11you, babe. How do you jokingly say
43:13that to someone when they're being married into a
43:15family?
43:17I have no idea if I am
43:19or am not related to Ben Affleck, and that had
43:21been like a running joke in my family.
43:23It had never been something serious, and so
43:25when Jen started telling people that
43:27I did tell her, I don't
43:29think you should say that anymore. I think that's probably
43:31going to backfire. Your grandpa was
43:33like, yes, like we have met
43:35them before, like a long time ago when he
43:37was little or something. I had also
43:39heard that. You were there. I had heard that.
43:41So then don't make me feel crazy. I'm not making you
43:43feel crazy. I'm just saying you ran with it
43:45when I said Jen. Of course I ran with that.
43:47I'm second cousins with Ben Affleck.
43:49You're not. Or maybe you are. I don't
43:51know. We don't know. I feel like this is
43:53Jen's battle, and I guess I'll just
43:55leave that for Jen to
43:57share her perspective.
43:59But I'm excited for the Halloween
44:01party. I want to show Jen
44:03how much I support her. Even though I
44:05don't fully trust Demi and Jessie, I'm
44:07just going to move forward knowing
44:09where everyone stands. Anyways, back to
44:11the Halloween costume. I think that's what we should be
44:13for Halloween. How are you feeling about tonight
44:15with like, I mean, with
44:17Demi and Jessie? I'm
44:19going to these parties to support
44:21you, and like this is a group that you
44:23want to be associated with, therefore I'm going to be
44:25there and be positive. The conversation
44:27with them was tough.
44:29But again, I don't want to continue
44:31to do this with them. I'm trying to leave this up to you.
44:33It's your decision to decide if they're
44:35good friends or not.
44:55Do I look like J-Lo?
44:57Nice. Do you like it?
44:59I like it. Thank you.
45:01You look so good. You look like Ben Affleck.
45:03Oh my gosh!
45:05This looks so good!
45:07So tonight's the Halloween party. I'm really
45:09excited to have everyone over to my new home.
45:11Jordan and I decided to dress
45:13up as Ben Affleck and J-Lo.
45:15Jen and Zach are probably not going
45:17to be too happy about this, but how was I
45:19supposed to know we were going to have a big fight before
45:21the party?
45:26I cannot!
45:28You look so hot!
45:30You can still freak out.
45:32Hi everyone!
45:34You look so good!
45:36I'm super excited because I'm bringing my boyfriend
45:38Cameron tonight. This is the first time he's going to
45:40be around all of MomTalk and I'm really excited
45:42for him to kind of just get integrated into the group.
45:44Come get a drink. We have food.
45:46We have soda.
45:48Hello!
45:50Thank you for coming! You guys look so good!
45:52Dakota just texted me.
45:55Are they coming together?
45:57They got in a huge fight last night.
45:59So then he called Dakota.
46:09Don't be around her. It's a big party.
46:11You guys have a baby together.
46:13You could be at a party together.
46:21Taylor's here.
46:24You look so hot!
46:26Do you know who I am?
46:28Look at me and him together.
46:30Am I an idiot?
46:32J-Lo and Ben Affleck.
46:34You're kidding!
46:36We're going to roast Jen and Zach.
46:38You assholes!
46:42Hello!
46:46This is unreal!
46:49Is your hat down?
46:55You know Dakota's coming, right?
46:57It's just funny because I knew
46:59he was going to come regardless.
47:01Really? You did?
47:03There's no way he's not coming.
47:05I'm like, Chase is coming?
47:07I don't know what Jessie was thinking
47:09but she invited Dakota, Miranda,
47:11and Chase, her ex-husband.
47:13These are people that I am not getting along with,
47:15haven't gotten along with, so I feel like
47:17this is going to be miserable.
47:19All I see is chaos.
47:21My friend who's dating Chase,
47:23I tried to test him and I was like,
47:25I'm really nervous, I don't think we should go.
47:27He's like, no, we have to go.
47:29He wants to come so bad.
47:31He's such a freak.
47:35I am so glad that I got invited
47:37to Jessie's Halloween party.
47:39I just think that it's another opportunity
47:41for me to connect with everyone
47:43and hopefully deepen those relationships.
47:45Get in the good graces of these girls
47:47and potentially be back in long time.
48:07Jessie likes to start shit, clearly.
48:11I think that this is another jab
48:13at Jenna and I's expense
48:15and I'm just not really sure why she feels
48:17the need to do that.
48:19Dakota!
48:21School bus!
48:23Oh my God!
48:25What is he?
48:27He's a bus!
48:29He's a school bus!
48:31I don't get it.
48:33I had the brilliant idea for Dakota to be the bus
48:35that hits Regina George.
48:37Ow!
48:39Excuse me, I'm sick.
48:41No.
48:43He can come say hi to me.
48:45He can come to you.
48:47Don't bring him over here.
48:49Who's gonna come in next?
48:51I'm stressed, I'm on edge.
48:53I'm getting anxious.
48:55I really don't know why Jessie decided
48:57to invite all these people
48:59because we have all the former swingers
49:01in the same room.
49:03It's just gonna be a shit show.
49:05I have a feeling that it's gonna be bad.
49:07Chase is coming in.
49:09The door!
49:11I don't watch this.
49:13I have a feeling that stuff is about
49:15to go down tonight.
49:17Hey, your best friend's here.
49:19Hey, your best friend's pulling up.
49:23If you see me coming,
49:25I'm about to get it started.
49:27You look so good.
49:29You look so good.
49:31It's perfect.
49:33Your house is beautiful.
49:35I just came as me.
49:37I knew it.
49:39This is iconic.
49:41Don't look.
49:43There's a douche bag behind you.
49:45How many?
49:47A lot.
49:49Chase is my ex-husband
49:51and Kate is his girlfriend.
49:53She's great. I love her.
49:55I have a good relationship with Chase as well.
49:57But do I want him here
49:59at this party? No.
50:01There's a coda.
50:03Oh, shit.
50:05What's up, dude?
50:07How you doing?
50:09How are you?
50:11Who walks up to me?
50:13Chase.
50:15He comes up and gives me a hug.
50:17I thought it was weird.
50:19But Taylor's already pissed at me,
50:21so I'm trying to be cordial with everyone tonight
50:23and not cause problems.
50:25This is the first time where I was like,
50:27okay, I'm gonna be super nice.
50:29How's being a dad?
50:31The best thing ever.
50:33It's the coolest experience I've ever had in my life.
50:35Is anything happening back there?
50:37Who's talking to who?
50:39They're fully talking.
50:41I don't know what they're saying.
50:43They're giggling.
50:45They're laughing.
50:47I don't know what Taylor thinks,
50:49but at the end of the day,
50:51I don't get why we fucking hate each other.
50:53Did you ask Taylor if I ever fucked her?
50:55The answer is no.
50:57Did you ask Taylor outside of spin the bottle?
50:59No.
51:01Everyone in the world thinks I fuck her.
51:03This is sugary.
51:09When Taylor first went online,
51:11I hadn't told my parents at this point,
51:13and again, I'm a returned missionary,
51:15married in a temple,
51:17so I hadn't told them that I had left the church.
51:19So for us, it was like, oh, deny, deny, deny.
51:21And if I could go back, dude,
51:23I'd change that 10 out of 10 times.
51:25But the cheating situation was only you.
51:27Chase, he is, like,
51:29pointing and, like, talking.
51:31Like, I can just tell he's, like, talking about me.
51:33He keeps pointing at me.
51:35Like, it's triggering, and I'm livid.
51:37Excuse me.
51:39Sorry. Uh-oh.
51:41Because they were pointing at her.
51:43I would feel it, too.
51:45What's up?
51:47What are you talking about?
51:49You're pointing at me, so...
51:51Oh, he was saying...
51:53Yeah, okay, I'll let Chase say it.
51:55Yeah, I was saying, at the end of the day,
51:57when people ask me about you and my opinion of you,
51:59I say 98% of my interactions
52:01with Taylor are extremely positive.
52:03Aspen, your mom,
52:05your dad, I fucking love...
52:07I love you guys.
52:09But also, you bring up the lowest point of my life,
52:11so I, in return, bring up the lowest point of yours.
52:13What was your lowest point?
52:15When you announced that we were swingers
52:17to the whole universe.
52:19That's your lowest point of your life? Are you sure?
52:21Yeah.
52:23Look at her turning her head to you.
52:25How do you know when she's like...
52:27What do you think's lower than that?
52:29I won't say it for your sake.
52:31Well, don't bring it up and then not say it.
52:33I'll do whatever the fuck I want.
52:35Don't tell me what to do.
52:37Maybe we should go stand over there.
52:39I actually haven't gotten a drink yet.
52:41Let me explain.
52:43I want to hear that, too.
52:45I actually want to hear that.
52:47Are we doing all truth for truth right now?
52:49Are we doing truth for truth?
52:51Did you tell me at the gym you had a sex dream about me?
52:53Say that right there.
52:55They already know that. I've already talked about that.
52:57I had a sex dream.
52:59Anything else?
53:01Why did it take two and a half years?
53:03What did you tell me at the gym?
53:05I said I also had a sex dream.
53:07No.
53:09Let's do truth for truth.
53:11Tell me what you told me at the gym.
53:13That's exactly what I told you.
53:15Are you sure?
53:17Look at him.
53:19Did you or not?
53:21I never said that.
53:23I do.
53:25I'm not lying.
53:31Guys, change.
53:33How are we feeling?
53:35I'm absolutely terrified.
53:37I'm just going to lean into it.
53:39I'm nervous.
53:41Why am I nervous?
53:43There's a lot going on.
53:45I told you what happened at the gym.
53:47You said a sex dream.
53:49That's not true.
53:51I'll tell you what else happened.
53:53What do you mean listen to a lot?
53:55I'm not trying to listen to anything.
53:57This is the internet.
53:59I'm just saying.
54:01I'm trying to let him talk to you.
54:03I'm not a part of this.
54:09Taylor, I just found out about that
54:11two weeks ago.
54:13A month ago.
54:15You never told me that.
54:17That's crazy.
54:19Who said are you on, Dakota?
54:21I don't care if you believe whatever.
54:23If you're my partner,
54:25you have my back and then you discuss it at home.
54:27I feel so betrayed.
54:29If he's saying that, then why should I not?
54:31Why would you believe him?
54:35Dakota, he just lied to your face.
54:37Taylor, I had a sex dream about you.
54:39That just came out of nowhere
54:41out of your fucking lying mouth.
54:43Your boyfriend's a fucking liar. It's fucking sick.
54:45I don't know what's going on.
54:47I never said that.
54:49He just looked you in the fucking eye
54:51and said he didn't have feelings for me.
54:53You saw his face change.
54:55Isn't it crazy?
54:57Fuck you. You're a liar.
55:03Jesse, the police are here.
55:05No.
55:07She touched my wife.
55:09Take ownership right now.
55:13What the hell's about to happen?
55:19This is our marriage. This isn't a game.
55:21I can't do this.
55:23Will you please cut the camera?
55:25I don't want to get it twisted.
55:27The height of what I was involved in was kissing people.
55:29You did do more than just kiss.
55:31If you're going to come into mom talk,
55:33be open and honest because if you're not,
55:35I will clear the air.
55:37I just want to move on.