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Ron Wyden Asks Trump HHS Nominee Point Blank: 'Are You In Favor Of Cutting Medicaid?'
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5/7/2025
During a Senate Finance Committee hearing on Tuesday, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) spoke about whether the HHS Nominee is in favor of cutting Medicaid
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Senator Wyden. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Mr. O'Neill, let me start with with you.
00:09
Republicans are trying to rush through now the largest cuts to Medicaid in history,
00:18
yet I have been trying to figure out the positions of Republicans on Medicaid and I'd like to see if
00:26
you could help us. Your colleagues sitting next to you, Mr. Andres, signed off on a House Budget
00:31
Committee wish list of more than $2 trillion in Medicaid cuts. Senator Hawley, on the floor of
00:39
the Senate, joined me in an amendment to strike Republican Medicaid cuts from their budget.
00:46
Mehmet Oz, who now oversees CMS, came before the committee and he endorsed taking nurses
00:55
out of nursing homes. That's a Medicaid cut. And Donald Trump said if Republicans in their bill cut
01:02
Medicaid, he wouldn't approve it. He said he would veto it. And my friend and seatmate over here has
01:10
repeatedly said that he's not for cutting Medicaid. So those are five separate positions with respect to
01:18
one of the biggest health decisions facing our country in years and years. Since we're trying to sort
01:27
all this out, you'd be the nominee for the number two spot at HHS. Why don't you give us a hand? Why don't
01:35
you tell us what the Republican position on these Medicaid cuts is, since I just told you there were five,
01:42
five separate positions on Medicaid. What can you tell us about what the position actually is? Because
01:50
it's coming up quick. Thank you for the question, Senator. By the way, I really enjoyed our phone call
01:56
last week. Thank you for taking the time. So, you know, not every member of every party always agrees.
02:04
That's why we have so many wonderful members of this chamber and the other chamber.
02:09
We have so many wonderful members of this chamber. People are allowed to have their own opinions about
02:14
the best way to move forward. So Medicaid was created in the 60s to serve some very vulnerable
02:19
populations that really needed help. It's important that it continue to serve those populations. I think
02:24
that should always be its focus. Well, my time is very short. Why don't you tell me, since you're not
02:30
answering my question about the five different positions, do you support cutting Medicaid? Yes or no?
02:36
Senator, I was not involved in the House proposal that you're... I asked you about you. Do you support
02:45
cutting Medicaid? Senator... So yes or no question? I support focusing Medicaid on protecting the most
02:52
vulnerable populations, the ones that it was created to support in the 1960s. I think it should always...
02:58
I'm going to move on. Let the record show that I asked you. Yes or no. Do you support cutting Medicaid?
03:03
You did not answer. Mr. Andres, same question. Yes or no?
03:11
Senator, I'm not sure that that can be answered in a yes or no way. The budget proposal that you referred to
03:19
originally was really a set of options that were developed by a host of different people, including
03:27
the Congressional Budget Office. Right, I understand that, but you want a key position
03:32
in the healthcare field, and you're going to be shaping healthcare policy in a very dramatic way.
03:37
So I'm just trying to figure out what you guys actually think, because I said there are five separate
03:42
positions. So why don't you tell me, yes or no, are you in favor of cutting Medicaid?
03:47
So if you're talking about taking away benefits from the most vulnerable people in this country,
03:53
the answer would be no. But that is like the argument that was made on the floor of the Senate,
03:58
and would open up the prospect for cutting a lot of other Medicaid services to a lot of other people.
04:04
Do you want to answer yes or no, whether you're for cutting Medicaid?
04:08
Well, I thought I'd just answer that, for cutting benefits to most vulnerable people?
04:12
That would open up a way, because the question of what constitutes a vulnerable person isn't defined
04:19
by law. So this is code for cutting benefits, and that's what you've said. Question for you,
04:23
Mr. O'Neill, before my time is up. I was recently in Medford, and what I had to deal with there
04:30
is the fact that the Head Start benefits for folks there had essentially been frozen,
04:39
and I had to unfreeze them. So people were ecstatic that I was there, and we made all these calls
04:46
to the Administration for Children and Families. But they're worried about what's going to happen now,
04:51
because it's not clear that the Administration will support Head Start in the future. Can you explain
04:59
to Oregon families why your department would be putting those young people and those young families
05:04
at risk? Senator, I don't work at the Department. I'm not aware of any decision to reduce Head Start.
05:16
If confirmed, I would definitely be involved in any decision like that. Well, do you support Head Start
05:22
or not? Are you for cutting that, too? Senator, I do. I had the pleasure of working with Head Start
05:29
when I was at HHS before. We were always looking for ways to make it better and for ways to improve
05:37
early childhood development through a variety of means. I think those continue to be essential goals.
05:41
I'm going to hold the record open so that you can answer my question, yes or no. I'm glad that you're
05:48
interested in all kinds of, you know, concepts about Head Start. But what I saw in Medford is that the
05:55
program had been frozen. People were going to get hurt until I stepped in. We got that resolved,
06:01
but they're still worried. I'll hold the record open. And with respect to the questions I've asked you,
06:06
if you want to answer directly a yes or no question, I'll look forward to it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
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