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00:01Rock, metal, prog, and everything in between.
00:04If you're into rock, you've come to the right place.
00:07Welcome to this episode of Talkin' Rock with Meltdown.
00:11Don't forget to follow the audio-only Talkin' Rock podcast on all podcast platforms.
00:15And now, it's time for today's conversation.
00:18Here's Meltdown.
00:20Guys, thanks so much for doing this.
00:22Absolutely.
00:23Thank you so much for having us.
00:24Yeah, we got, let's see if I can remember Sebastian, Remington, and Emerson.
00:27That's it.
00:28Is that correct?
00:28You nailed it.
00:29Yeah, well, thanks for coming.
00:30You guys have been to Detroit before, right?
00:31We have, many times.
00:33Where'd you play before?
00:33Last time we were here was at, what's it called?
00:38The venue above the shelter.
00:40Oh, St. Andrews.
00:41St. Andrews.
00:42Yeah, the shelter.
00:43You guys, of course, saw, you've seen 8 Mile.
00:44Absolutely.
00:45Yes.
00:45Yeah, so that's pretty cool.
00:47Yeah, no, absolutely.
00:48We played the shelter before as an opening, and then we headlined St. Andrews, and then
00:53now we're at a bowling alley tonight.
00:56Yeah, you guys are moving right up the ladder of success.
00:58I know, right.
00:59So you guys just, did you guys just hop on this tour, just start recently?
01:03It was, so we're leaving for Australia on Monday, and we have basically eight months around
01:09the world.
01:09Like, we're doing arenas in Europe, we're playing all these great festivals everywhere, and then
01:14our label calls, we're like, song's got in top 40.
01:17You're going out on the road.
01:17I'm like, cool.
01:18To support the song?
01:19They're like, yeah, yeah.
01:20You're leaving in two weeks.
01:21I'm like, okay, where are we playing?
01:23They're like, they're just like bars and pubs because the radio stations want the intimate
01:26stuff.
01:27I'm like, all right, cool.
01:28We're down to do it.
01:28And then, of course, tickets go on sale, and they're gone in like a second, which was
01:32good.
01:32I'm like, if we're doing another plan, they don't sell, then we got a problem.
01:36But it's been fun to get our legs back again, because we've taken off some time.
01:41We've had a lot of personal stuff going on.
01:43Yeah, we'll talk about that coming up.
01:45So you guys are putting out EPs, you're putting out songs here and there.
01:49How's that work?
01:50We just, we write so many songs.
01:54So, you know, we all kind of like had that talk with each other.
01:57We're just like, you know, we can either wait for like the typical label album cycle, which
02:02is like a year and a half.
02:03And I was like, we just write so many songs.
02:05Let's just throw it up.
02:07No promotion.
02:07Let's just put out the music.
02:10I'm like, let's let the fans listen.
02:12You know, and I think that was probably the best thing that we've done, just, you know,
02:16just keep feeding the beast, you know?
02:18Yeah, we're album four in.
02:22And so the fifth record we finished last summer, that's supposed to come out this year.
02:26But we had the EPs and we're just like, you know what?
02:29Just throw them out.
02:30They're like, oh, I want to do like a six month.
02:31And they're like, no, three weeks.
02:33They're all coming out all these songs because they don't really live in a world that in
02:36an album cycle.
02:37And it was nice because we get to experiment with different, you know, sonics without being
02:41disappointing to the fans or, you know, saying, oh, they're changed too much or something,
02:45you know?
02:46Yeah, we definitely live in a different time where you don't have to put record
02:48out.
02:48Although I'm kind of old school and I want to have the whole thing.
02:51You know what I'm saying?
02:52We love that more than anything.
02:54I feel like when we throw it up on, like you throw up on Spotify and you see the numbers,
02:57it's like people don't listen in order.
02:59Right.
02:59We had an intro and outro that was basically a continuation of track two and track 14.
03:05And it was no one listened to the intro.
03:07They just went to the song.
03:09Right.
03:09I'm like, so you're not even listening to the full experience.
03:12Yes.
03:12It's part of the whole art form.
03:13Yeah.
03:14And I know that you said that Songs for Sadness was super personal and stuff, obviously.
03:19Now, every song that you guys write and all that stuff is super personal.
03:21But what made this one, what made it so personal that you came out and kind of said that to the
03:27fans?
03:27Yeah, Songs for Sadness, that was just the collection of all the most depressing songs I've ever
03:34written.
03:35So, yeah, it was really personal to me.
03:38And obviously, you know, everything kind of going on in our personal lives right now, like
03:41our mother got diagnosed with stage four brain and lung cancer.
03:46So it's been like a really tough time.
03:49So that group of songs just kind of felt really appropriate to put out in the moment.
03:55And yeah, it's very sad.
03:58Yeah.
03:58I was going to ask you about that.
03:59So how is she doing?
04:01Every day is a battle.
04:02Yeah.
04:02And I think it's, you know, unfortunately, I feel like with the American health care system,
04:06it's very difficult.
04:08And that's what, you know, like it's you're not priority.
04:10And so unless you have like a lot of money to spend.
04:14So it's we've luckily have had some good people that we've references to that they've been
04:19helping.
04:20But it's every day.
04:20It's up and down.
04:21So and it sucks.
04:22But being away, it's awesome playing the shows.
04:24It's exciting.
04:25But like the the times, the hours were not working and just sitting around a venue.
04:29I'm like, I need to be home, like taking care of mom, you know, that's the thing, too.
04:32It's like you guys are going to leave, like you just said.
04:34And, you know, obviously, in today's day and age, you can FaceTime and do all that kind
04:37of stuff.
04:38But you're still leaving home.
04:40Yeah.
04:40Yeah.
04:40It's still it's still pretty tough.
04:43But she's always her.
04:44She's been our biggest supporter since day one.
04:46Yeah.
04:46So it's her thing is nothing more for us to succeed in what we're doing.
04:49So but which is kind of difficult, too, you know, so it was sweet right before we left
04:55the fans all gathered together around the world and like wrote this big card and like
04:59sent her some presents and stuff.
05:01That's nice.
05:02It's really sweet.
05:03And then you guys also did it like a show to raise money.
05:07Yeah, I think that was like the hardest show we've ever played in our entire lives.
05:11The amount of crying, just getting through it was.
05:14Yeah, that was cool.
05:15Yeah, I think it was like rehearsal was the toughest part for it because like so it was
05:20tough not to like just break down like during the rehearsals.
05:24But, you know, the show went incredibly well and so many people donated and stuff.
05:29And it's it's helped so fucking much with with her mom.
05:33Yeah.
05:34Mama Royale.
05:35You call it.
05:35Yeah.
05:36Yeah.
05:36Yeah.
05:36And and early on, like she would run your fan club and stuff or she still does.
05:41Oh, she she did.
05:42Never mind.
05:43Oh, OK.
05:44It's funny.
05:45If you go to her Instagram, it's pretty much just a fan page of us.
05:48I love she.
05:49She though, like she loves, loves her emojis.
05:52She loves.
05:54It's so funny.
05:54Like, like I can't even go to her Instagram anymore because she puts so many fucking emojis.
06:00It's so insane to me that it's just like all these weird.
06:05I don't know how she edits shit, but mom, I love you.
06:08Just that is so funny.
06:10You know, you know who else used to use emojis all the time and when he would text me and
06:14stuff was Vinnie Paul.
06:15You guys ever run.
06:16You guys ever run into him in Las Vegas?
06:17No, no.
06:18You know, Vinnie Paul.
06:18Yeah, yeah, of course.
06:19Oh, the black hearts and all that.
06:21The hands, the whole thing.
06:22It was all that.
06:23More than anyone I ever known.
06:25He gave me the emoji.
06:27That's great.
06:28Yeah.
06:29Yeah.
06:29So you guys you guys live right in Vegas or you're.
06:32No, we they grew up in Vegas.
06:34Yeah, we I was born and raised and then I mean, I was moved to L.A. when I was about 16.
06:41Emerson was 14.
06:42I moved with you guys.
06:43We're special.
06:44We've been on tour pretty much ever since I was 18.
06:50I'm 27 now.
06:52Sebastian is like married and has like a home situation and shit.
06:56He's got a home.
06:57Wait, are we supposed to tell the fans that?
06:58I mean, you know, I can't do it.
06:59I can't let the girls know about that.
07:01Absolutely.
07:02Yeah.
07:03Then Remington, I've lost like 10 years or so.
07:05I've just kind of been bouncing around.
07:07We're just kind of gypsies at this point.
07:08We're just kind of floating.
07:10You know, so we're doing this world tour and then we'll see where we end up again.
07:16Well, like I tell my son all the time, I tell him, I go, listen, find something you
07:19really like to do and have someone pay you to do it.
07:21So that's what you guys are doing.
07:22Yeah.
07:22Or find what you like and let it kill you.
07:24Yeah.
07:25Yeah.
07:26Yeah.
07:27It doesn't pay much.
07:29Well, they don't pay to play.
07:30They pay to travel.
07:31You play for free.
07:32Yeah.
07:32Yeah.
07:33So, you know, honestly, we're having the best time and it's fun.
07:37Like even this tour, it kind of took me back to when we were like touring in our mom's
07:41car like a few years ago.
07:44No, it's all the same size rooms and stuff.
07:46So it's kind of like I felt like I'm like in a time machine right now.
07:49It's been fun.
07:51What is it like when you guys are writing music?
07:53What's the dichotomy there?
07:54How do you guys how do you guys work it?
07:56Do you bring up lyrics or how does it work?
07:58For the record that we mainly for I think for the record.
08:01In the weird situations, it's us.
08:03We were all in the room just making music.
08:06And I think then with this EP, Remington, it came from a lot of just his personal stuff
08:11that he just showed up with, which is awesome.
08:14It's weird.
08:15It's like Emerson's really great at piano, even though he's the drummer in the band.
08:18And so a lot of a lot of the songs, especially on Fever Dream, were formed in that sense.
08:24And I think because we all kind of jump around instruments, I think it makes it interesting
08:29that we're not stuck to a single instrument.
08:32But I mean, since definitely on the lyric side, music side, we try to do as much as we
08:38can.
08:38And it's just been and there's not precious, which is nice.
08:42It's like whatever whatever song is better, we use.
08:45Yeah.
08:46I think that's that's the thing we've always kind of talked about.
08:49And we've never kind of we've never really had writer's block ever.
08:53So, yeah, it's crazy.
08:54Like the new album we're about to release hopefully in a few months.
08:58Like we we did we pulled out the whiteboard and everything and like had the collection
09:04of songs.
09:05I think we hit 80 songs.
09:06Wow.
09:07So we narrowed it down to, I think, 10 or 11.
09:10Yeah, there's no there's no shortage.
09:12That's why I think the EPs were so special, because I was like, we have so many fucking
09:16songs.
09:17And I was like, let's just put it out like they're just going to be sitting there just
09:20for me to listen to.
09:21I was like, I'd rather share them.
09:22Yeah.
09:23When it comes to picking the songs, is it kind of just you guys or the producers and outside
09:27of forces?
09:28I it's so bizarre because we're the only ones that really care about it at the beginning.
09:33And then we get to the point that it's the mix needs to be turned in tomorrow.
09:37And then we get a call from the label.
09:39I'm like, maybe you should rewrite the chorus.
09:41I'm like, what are you talking?
09:42You've had this song for eight months.
09:44You haven't listened till the night before it's being submitted or like the music video.
09:48They're like, change the chorus.
09:50I'm like, we just shot the music video.
09:52Like, did you not listen to the song for the past year?
09:55That's funny.
09:55Yeah.
09:56So that is the only battle of competitiveness on it.
10:00But for the most part, it comes from a good place.
10:02You know what I mean?
10:02You know, everyone on our team, we're all striving for success here.
10:08Sometimes you just got to let things be.
10:10It's like, we wrote it.
10:11We recorded it.
10:12We all liked it.
10:14Put it out.
10:14Yeah.
10:15You know, and then we can write another one.
10:16And we've never had a number one single.
10:19So we'll take advice when we can get it.
10:22Right.
10:22For sure.
10:22Well, you know, it's like I've interviewed, I mean, thousands of bands in my life.
10:26And it's like, they write a song or a record.
10:28And at one point, it's got to be finished.
10:30And that's what you're talking about.
10:31Yeah.
10:31Because like, if there's not a deadline, I will tinker with it until the song is just completely
10:37different.
10:38Yeah.
10:38So I think deadlines are weirdly good for us because if I have a piece of music long
10:43enough, I'll tinker with it until death.
10:46Yeah.
10:46Yeah.
10:46Then the mixed notes are like making the record was the easiest thing.
10:50The mixed notes.
10:51I'm like, I don't want to listen to the song ever again.
10:53Like, like, just put it out.
10:55Put it out.
10:56Yeah.
10:56It's funny.
10:56Like, we're so fucking anal about.
10:59No, you are.
11:00About this mixed note.
11:01Especially, yeah, this.
11:03And then I guarantee the song is going to come out.
11:05I'm never going to listen to it again.
11:06Until you have to play it on stage and, you know.
11:09Yeah.
11:09But I'll never listen to the recording again.
11:11You know, it's funny.
11:12Like, I don't think I've ever actually listened to our album ever again.
11:17You're not going to pull a Kanye and just listen to it?
11:20You know, I might.
11:21I might just do a 180.
11:23So this new record that's dropping, you guys don't know when it's going to be coming out?
11:27We have a date, but we always lie.
11:29So don't quote us.
11:30We're not going to quote the date, but it's going to be, we have, we're going to be coming
11:33back in the fall on an American headline tour for supporting that album and European tour
11:37as well.
11:38So we're only playing bowling alleys.
11:40It's like our bowling alleys.
11:42That's our whole thing going forward.
11:43Yeah.
11:44Possibly Chipotle.
11:45We're supposed to be dropping a single this month.
11:49I don't know.
11:49Again, don't quote us on this because it could be.
11:52It was submitted.
11:53It's already submitted in the DSPs.
11:54So we'll see what happens.
11:55Honestly, we say that now, but watch.
11:57It's going to be like seven months before it.
11:59We just accidentally put the next year.
12:01So you guys are going to be doing another headlining tour.
12:04What's the biggest tour you guys have been on?
12:06As in our own European tour has been our biggest tour.
12:10Like we were getting up to, we did three, we played in Prague.
12:13We played the same arena three times in one year.
12:15Wow.
12:15Like over here, it's like we, you know, you kind of have to like come back.
12:20We, there was, we've, I think we spent so much time in America and we, we've supported
12:24so many bands.
12:25You know, we've supported Manson, Zombie, Hailstorm, Stone Tower, Pop Eagle.
12:29It was, it's every band.
12:31Crown the Empire, Sleeping with Sirens, Icey Star.
12:34It's the list goes on and on.
12:35You can name any band we probably have opened up.
12:37Opened for them.
12:38And we never really got the opportunity to really grow our audience as a headliner here
12:42because it was just like, like Youngblood even.
12:44It was like, we had a headline tour and then Youngblood's like, we want you to support.
12:47And we're like, all right.
12:48Label's like, cancel your tour.
12:49You're going on this tour.
12:50And I feel like it's a great, they're great opportunities to get new fans.
12:53But also we realized in Europe, we've never opened up for a single artist and we're doing
12:58arenas.
12:59And because you're building your own environment every single time.
13:02And if you're comfortable and confident, and we learned that because of touring America
13:07for so long, we got good.
13:08So when we went over there, we were like, we weren't just starting out.
13:12Right.
13:12You know, so we were able to really develop our show and do production and stuff.
13:17And I have to say, like, playing tonight's going to be fun because it's a little punk
13:20show, but doing these shows again, it's like, oh, a production show is a show and you, it's
13:27more entertaining for an audience.
13:29So you could be a great, Remington will climb everything in here and it's entertaining, but
13:33it is, you want the, you want something more, especially as a band.
13:37You got to get those shirts that say, we're huge in Europe.
13:39Exactly.
13:40Right.
13:40Exactly.
13:41We're doing Wembley at the end of the year, which is awesome.
13:44Are you for real?
13:45Yeah.
13:46We're doing Wembley Arena on November 9th.
13:48No kidding.
13:49Yeah.
13:49Yeah.
13:50So it's, it's pretty, it's crazy to see like the, how the everywhere else in the world
13:54is just so much faster, but I think it's because of the prep work we did here.
14:00Yeah.
14:00Yeah.
14:00I just interviewed Mike from Nickelback the other day.
14:02Of course, Nickelback's huge in America and Canada and stuff.
14:05And he told me a story about how, how Rockstar actually started getting its legs in
14:09London and that's a story for another time.
14:11But, uh, but yeah, it's like, it's funny because I guess for most bands, it starts here.
14:16Yes.
14:16No matter where they're from in the world.
14:18And then it kind of goes everywhere else.
14:19But you're, you're saying Europe's bigger for you guys.
14:21It's, I think it's like the Kings Leon that happened for them over there.
14:24It was like America didn't care until sex was on fire.
14:27Yeah.
14:27You know what I mean?
14:28Or you said, I think even like, uh, the stroke, the stroke, uh, the killers, the killers
14:32from bright side blew up over in the UK and then America liked it.
14:36Yeah.
14:36Yeah.
14:36And now you can't like go to a sporting event without hearing that.
14:39Exactly.
14:40Or Jack White's, uh, seven nation armies.
14:44Exactly.
14:44But it is pretty awesome though.
14:47Like that, you know, the world is a big place and it's not just where we're going to go.
14:51It's we had Gene Simmons always, he told us once he's like, where it's, where there's
14:55fire go.
14:56Oh, Gene Simmons told you that?
14:57Yeah.
14:58Yeah.
14:58He's like, there's fire.
14:59Is there fire Romania for you guys?
15:01Go.
15:01And we're like, play it, play it and play it again.
15:04Yeah.
15:04That's great.
15:05You got to, yeah.
15:05Gene, uh, he's got, he's got a lot of advice.
15:08He does.
15:09He told us off when we were kids.
15:11So, yeah, cause you guys, when you guys started, you guys were like a, like Disney thing, right?
15:17Mm-hmm.
15:17Yeah.
15:17We were like 13, 11, 13 and 15.
15:20We were, we didn't know who we were, you know, still figuring that out.
15:24But, um, I think.
15:26That was definitely, uh, like a lifetime ago.
15:29It was.
15:29It was like 15 years ago.
15:32So I don't know.
15:33We did that and, um, the experiences within that and then switching and then wanting to
15:38do something we actually wanted to do when I was 19.
15:41It was, we thought you were just going to get success.
15:44Like these, the Disney thing, we came easy.
15:46Like you showed up, there's people there because they're really great at promotion.
15:50Yeah.
15:50They will make sure there's people obsessed from, you know, whatever the age category is.
15:55And so when you start as a rock band and touring the Sunset Strip and you're like, oh,
15:59there's no one here.
16:01And then we couldn't get, we were like, how do we're 19, 17 and 15 playing rock music on
16:07the Sunset Strip in an era that doesn't even exist anymore.
16:11And we're opening, we, you know, we did like the Billy Morrison and all that stuff.
16:15Like, you know, Joan Jett.
16:16I can't tell you how many headlining shows we did in LA where it's just played to our
16:21mom.
16:22Yeah.
16:22That was it.
16:23You know, biggest fan.
16:24Yeah.
16:24And the bartender.
16:25Yeah.
16:26And then, you know, we just, we, we just kept going.
16:29Looking back, we were fucking insane, but we just kept going and somehow we made it all
16:34the way to a bowling alley.
16:35Yeah.
16:36And they said it would happen.
16:37Dreams do come true, guys.
16:38Yeah.
16:39No, you're going to probably find this surprising, but I would listen to that Disney radio because
16:43my kids are in their early twenties now.
16:45Yeah.
16:45And back in the day, like, I don't know if I ever heard you guys, but yeah, they, they
16:49did a lot of stuff.
16:50The DJs were constantly talking about the bands and blah, blah, blah, blah.
16:53And I don't even know if it's around anymore, but.
16:55Uh, it's just, it was, it's a machine, you know?
16:58And, um, yeah, it was definitely, it was, it was funny for us to do, but it was, it was
17:02kind of like, we, you know, we didn't go to, we didn't go to school.
17:05So that was school for us, you know, like traveling and playing shows and like learning
17:09things.
17:10And so it kind of gave us the tools to then start our own band, but then we're sleeping
17:13in our mom's car for three years, trying to figure it out.
17:16What do you mean you didn't go to school?
17:17Like they dropped out when they were in middle school.
17:19Oh, okay.
17:19Yeah.
17:20So we, I did get my GED.
17:22So there you go.
17:23But it was, it was one of those things that was like, it's when you're that young and
17:26you're having to actually be a contracted, I don't know, you know, a musician or whatever
17:34it is.
17:34It was just really cool.
17:35You know, you like, I fucking watch Disney channel like every other kid.
17:39And then I was like, oh my God, I can be on that.
17:41And then I was like, fuck everything else.
17:43That's amazing.
17:44That's really cool.
17:45Yeah.
17:46There was a lot to owe to our mom though.
17:48She was just like relentless for trying to get that stuff.
17:50So, but.
17:51So I know, Sebastian, you like to run, which is, that makes one thing that we definitely
17:55do not have in common.
17:56But you just did like a half marathon or something?
17:59Yeah.
18:00Yeah.
18:00I did one in Dubai and then I did one in Huntington Beach.
18:03Meltdown.
18:03Taking it to the street.
18:04I love it.
18:05I ride a bike and I play hockey.
18:06I don't like to run at all.
18:07We're all hockey players.
18:09I played hockey this morning.
18:10You guys play hockey?
18:10We did that.
18:11I tore my ACL and that's why I play music.
18:15No kidding.
18:15I wanted to go play college hockey and got hurt.
18:19This isn't where I thought this conversation was going to go.
18:20I started playing ice hockey at three years old.
18:24No kidding.
18:26Families from Toronto.
18:28That's right.
18:28Because your grandparents influenced the name of the band.
18:31Yes.
18:31Yeah.
18:32And then our.
18:33I think one of our uncles or something like that.
18:35Punch Imlac.
18:36Punch Imlac from the Buffalo Sabres.
18:38Punch Imlac.
18:39Yeah.
18:39Toronto Maple Leafs.
18:40The Toronto Maple Leafs coach.
18:41Of course.
18:42The only time the Maple Leafs ever won the Cups.
18:43So he's our great uncle.
18:45He's our uncle's dad.
18:47Something like that.
18:48Way out in Vegas we played ice hockey.
18:51Yeah.
18:51Remington was really great.
18:52Fashion was.
18:54You did your thing.
18:55I just would fight.
18:56I loved fighting.
18:57It was great.
18:58So we pretty much played hockey until we got the call from Disney and then it kind of changed our lives.
19:02No kidding.
19:03Yeah.
19:03So if you guys kept.
19:05Do you guys keep tabs on the Golden Knights?
19:07I do.
19:08I wanted.
19:08Obviously when they.
19:09Yeah.
19:10When they.
19:11Started.
19:12I was like oh they finally got a team.
19:13That's cool.
19:14But yeah.
19:14That's when Vinnie Paul texted me because he was a huge fan.
19:16Yeah.
19:17And then he died a week later.
19:18And that night that they lost a cup.
19:20He texted me.
19:20And I think this is the last text.
19:21Another one coming.
19:22This has got to be it.
19:23Another one coming.
19:24It's like.
19:25You know.
19:25But I went to a game there in 2019 and it was super cool.
19:28Yeah.
19:28No.
19:29It's great.
19:29Vegas is where they've turned into is this like it's always been Vegas obviously.
19:34But now with the football team and the baseball team that's going to come in and.
19:39The sphere.
19:39Yeah.
19:40The sphere is insane.
19:41That's incredible.
19:42It's for.
19:42That now F1's there.
19:43It's like this it's insane.
19:45The city's just getting crazier.
19:47It got so cool when we left.
19:49I know.
19:49It got so cool.
19:51All there was was fucking crack heads and now they got everything.
19:55But the good thing is now actually though is because I think that's we've always had like the.
19:59The athletic side of us that people do they look at us like there's no way but it's like yeah.
20:04I did the marathon and I got you know 40 out of 8,000.
20:08I saw that.
20:09That's awesome.
20:10You did a full marathon.
20:11I was going to do it in L.A. but I got sick the week before so I was like I'm not going to do it.
20:15I'm not going to run 26 miles but I'm going to do I do one when I get home in May so.
20:21That's incredible.
20:22I have a lot of respect for people that can do that.
20:24I just can't do it.
20:25Like I'll get on my bicycle and ride 25 30 miles.
20:27Yeah.
20:27And then I'll come home and running is so fucking boring.
20:31Riding.
20:32Run.
20:32No no running.
20:33Oh yeah running.
20:33I know I just can't do it.
20:34See bike.
20:35I can do a bike.
20:36Yeah.
20:36See that that seems more entertaining.
20:37Plus it's like I don't like the pounding on my knees.
20:39Yeah.
20:39I don't know how you do it.
20:41But it's funny since I've always ran but now really conditioning running and then now
20:46playing shows I'm like this is so easy.
20:48Yeah.
20:49Like I get off stage and I'm like that was the easiest thing.
20:51Right.
20:52You know.
20:52Yeah.
20:52It's like you ever see the Rolling Stones.
20:54I mean Mick Jagger's like he's 127 years old.
20:56You wouldn't think it.
20:57He just runs all over the stage.
20:59It's great.
21:00And that's you have to stay on top of it and take care of yourself.
21:03It's a cool rock star.
21:05Let's get fucked up all the time.
21:06Attitude is awesome but sometimes you gotta you gotta switch gears a little bit.
21:11I think the difference between like Iggy Pop and Mick Jagger now is crazy.
21:16I saw Iggy Pop.
21:17Iggy Pop still fucking.
21:19He can still put on a hell of a show.
21:21Walking around the stage his hips like popping out.
21:23No.
21:23Yeah.
21:24He's from Ann Arbor right now.
21:25Yeah.
21:26Yeah.
21:27There's a lot of music out of Detroit.
21:29I mean does anything influence you guys out of Detroit?
21:32I don't know.
21:32Obviously like White Stripes you gotta you know.
21:35You know Seeger, Kid Rock, Eminem.
21:37I mean Alice Cooper.
21:38There's just so much.
21:39I prevail.
21:39We're playing with Alice Cooper actually.
21:41We're doing five festival shows with Alice Cooper and Blondie in Australia next week.
21:46Oh nice.
21:46That's awesome.
21:47Yeah.
21:47That should be fun.
21:48Yeah.
21:49Yeah.
21:49Well listen she put her camera away which probably tells me we gotta wrap things up here.
21:53So but you guys have a great show tonight and good luck on everything this year in 2024.
21:58New record and the whole thing the Dead to Me Tour right here in a bowling alley near you.
22:04Thank you so much.
22:06Thank you guys.
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