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Jay-Z Accuser Heard on Tape Admitting He Never Raped Her | TMZ Live
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3/12/2025
The woman who sued Jay-Z for allegedly raping her when she was just 13 years old after the MTV Video Music Awards back in 2000 has been caught on an audio recording apparently admitting the alleged incident never happened.
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Jay-Z had said all along that the private investigators who went to speak with this,
00:06
the Jane Doe accuser, that the Jane Doe accuser told the investigators that Jay-Z had nothing
00:13
to do with this, that she said it at least four times.
00:16
And that her lawyer, Tony Busby, was pushing her into the narrative.
00:20
Right.
00:21
Well, it turns out the investigators actually recorded that conversation with the Jane Doe
00:25
accuser, and today they released portions, I should say, small, small portions of the
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conversation, but the parts that clearly Jay-Z feel prove that he had nothing to do with
00:39
this, as he has said all along.
00:41
Jay-Z, you're saying he was definitely there?
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But he had no part in it?
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Or he was just...
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He was there.
00:47
He was just there, but he didn't have anything to do with any sexual acts towards you.
00:52
It was strictly...
00:53
Yeah.
00:54
He kind of pushed me towards going forward with him.
00:57
With Jay-Z.
00:58
Busby did?
00:59
Yeah.
01:00
Do you know why?
01:01
No.
01:02
Well, that's interesting, because on its face, that seems to prove their point, which is
01:09
she says there was no sexual interaction, but Tony Busby pushed her.
01:15
That's what...
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Right.
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And remember...
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That's the takeaway from that clip.
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And remember, this is all going to be presented as evidence in Jay-Z's lawsuit.
01:23
The extortion case.
01:24
The accuser has dropped her lawsuit against Jay-Z.
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This is Jay-Z now suing the accuser and Tony Busby, and his whole point of that lawsuit
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is that Tony Busby filed this lawsuit knowing that this accuser did not actually name Jay-Z
01:40
as someone who assaulted her.
01:42
But the plot thickens, though.
01:45
It does thicken, but one thing I just noticed about what the accuser said, she said Jay-Z
01:51
was there.
01:52
And Jay-Z even refutes that.
01:54
And there's been all this evidence that he was not at this event that she claimed he
02:00
was at.
02:01
So what does that...
02:02
He was at other places.
02:03
So what does that do to credibility if she is saying he was there when he wasn't?
02:07
Because there were other things she said in the accusation that were just not true.
02:11
That were proven false by photos and other people.
02:14
That's right.
02:15
Okay, so now the thickening of the plot.
02:17
Because Tony Busby called the accuser himself.
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Remember, he is her attorney.
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And he called her to discuss the fact that Jay-Z was saying that she had named Busby
02:30
as the person who pushed her to sue Jay-Z.
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This is his conversation with Jane Doe.
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They say that they have you on tape denying that Jay-Z assaulted you.
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Is that true?
02:46
No.
02:47
No.
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I don't...
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I've never said that.
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Okay.
02:53
They also say that you told them, and they have it on tape, that I, Tony Busby, told
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you to...
03:00
Like, came up with this plan and told you to say that Jay-Z assaulted you so you would
03:05
get more money.
03:06
No.
03:07
You know, there's a lot to digest here.
03:09
Her statements to the private investigators are what they are.
03:12
She seems to refute that now.
03:13
Her declarations in the case have been all over the place, too.
03:18
She initially said Jay-Z was there, then later said he wasn't, then said, well, he was, but
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I dropped the case nevertheless.
03:24
I think there's something interesting here, which is that Jay-Z's side said that there
03:28
was an hour-long conversation between the private investigators and this woman.
03:32
But they only released a minute of that.
03:34
So we need to see the context for what she said.
03:38
She's suggesting that she felt pressured by the private investigators to deny the claims
03:44
against Jay-Z, and you could presumably get that from the context of the conversation,
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but we're not given that.
03:49
They just cherry-picked a minute of it and gave it to us.
03:51
We didn't know what to do with that exactly.
03:53
If this goes to trial, which, by the way, I believe this one will go to trial because
03:57
Jay-Z wants to get back at Tony Busby for filing this lawsuit, but they would have to
04:03
submit the whole thing, right?
04:05
Unedited.
04:06
Oh, absolutely.
04:07
Absolutely.
04:08
Not necessarily even to the court, but in discovery, they have to release the whole
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thing.
04:12
The thing that gives me pause on all of it is this woman has some kind of a mental illness.
04:20
She was institutionalized shortly before she made the allegation.
04:23
That's what the investigators said.
04:25
They uncovered that.
04:26
And so, you know, if these tapes are authentic, on the one hand, she's saying something squarely,
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and then on the other hand, she totally repudiates it.
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So which version is true?
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And is she delusional, or is she rooted in reality?
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And if she's rooted in reality, how is she telling two diametrically different stories?
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And so, is she believable on any side?
04:52
Because ultimately, Jay-Z has to tip the scales to win this.
04:56
But that doesn't ... No, Jay-Z doesn't have to tip the scales.
04:58
Yes, he does.
04:59
No, because she's ... Hold on.
05:00
He's filed a lawsuit against Busby and the accuser.
05:02
That's what I'm saying.
05:04
Jay-Z has the burden of proof in the case, which means he has to tip the scales, because
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it's his lawsuit against her.
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And you have to ... It's his ... If the jury says, we have no idea because we don't know
05:16
what this woman believes, and it's even Steven, the plaintiff loses.
05:21
So Jay-Z has to tip the scales somehow.
05:23
But I don't see how if this actually tips the scales for him.
05:27
I understand that.
05:28
That's the point I'm making.
05:29
Hi, guys.
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Sheila Zolnar for Lauderdale, Florida.
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So I think you guys are both making good points.
05:34
There's an issue here with, was she lying then, is she lying now?
05:37
You have dueling audios where she says that she did retract, and then in the one audio
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where she says she didn't retract.
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So that's an issue, and I'm not so sure it goes to trial because of that reason.
05:50
But also, no one's really talking about the fact that her dismissal was entered ... It
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was a voluntary dismissal with prejudice.
05:58
I don't know any lawyer who would file a with prejudice dismissal unless there was a deal
06:03
on the table, and I don't know if that deal was potentially ... You can't talk about the
06:07
deal.
06:08
Both sides said there was no deal.
06:09
Are you in the legal biz?
06:10
Because you seem to know a lot.
06:11
Yes, I am.
06:12
I've been doing criminal defense and victim advocacy for 18 years almost.
06:17
I could tell.
06:18
Yeah.
06:19
I could tell.
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