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🔵 AUDITAN LAS PENSIONES POR INVALIDEZ LABORAL
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2/15/2025
🔵 AUDITAN LAS PENSIONES POR INVALIDEZ LABORAL
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00:00
We have on the table an official who has surely been one of the most consulted of the week
00:06
because it has been news on a topic that is really very serious, that worries,
00:12
but we want to know why this happened and what is going to happen from now on.
00:16
Diego Españolo, who is the head of the National Disabilities Agency, is with us.
00:22
Thank you, Diego, for joining us.
00:24
Hello, Clara. Thank you very much for inviting me to this program.
00:26
So we can clarify a lot of doubts that are being generated around this issue
00:30
of the auditing of the pension system.
00:32
Diego, how does this come about?
00:34
Why is it decided to start with this auditing of non-contributive pensions due to labor invalidity?
00:41
Well, when we arrived at the agency,
00:43
the first thing that caught our attention was the huge number of this type of pensions.
00:48
They are pensions due to labor invalidity,
00:51
which require a high percentage of labor incapacity for their grant.
00:57
The number we found was 1,250,000.
01:01
And when we analyzed the growth that there was since this benefit was created
01:05
until we arrived, well, it caught our attention a lot
01:08
because it jumped from 60,000 to 1,250,000
01:11
without there being a war or a natural disaster in the middle.
01:15
Throughout last year, we did an analysis of the entire pension system
01:21
and we found a lot of irregularities that we reported as we found them.
01:29
And well, that's why it took us so long to organize the audit that we are starting this week
01:43
that we believe is very necessary.
01:45
Diego, a question, because the number is really very high.
01:51
More than a million non-contributive pensions due to invalidity
01:55
that need, so that people understand, two fundamental requirements.
01:59
You said a few moments ago, an invalidity that exceeds 66% and economic vulnerability.
02:05
It is assumed that there are owners of those pensions that do not meet these requirements.
02:15
I can give examples of both aspects.
02:17
If we have detected people with 59 properties to their name,
02:22
people with boats, people with aircraft.
02:25
When is economic vulnerability?
02:27
Of course.
02:28
I repeat.
02:29
People, this is in that aspect, economic vulnerability.
02:32
People with constant exits and entrances to the country,
02:35
that they realize that this situation of economic vulnerability is not such.
02:41
Of course.
02:42
Then with the other aspect, the physical,
02:44
we have somehow moored that requirement,
02:48
because before it was 76%, we have lowered it to 66%,
02:52
which is still very high.
02:54
But in that sense we have found everything.
03:00
At the time it was discussed, I remember last year,
03:03
that we commented here at Just and Necessary,
03:05
and in fact I, in different programs where I am part of the journalistic team,
03:10
literary texts instead of clinical stories.
03:12
Exactly.
03:13
Radiographies instead of humans, of animals.
03:15
This is so concrete.
03:17
That radiography was almost iconic, I would tell you,
03:21
because it was the biography of a dog.
03:23
And it was repeated.
03:24
No, no, that was not repeated.
03:27
That case was so rude that it did not go through medical control.
03:31
The others did go through medical control.
03:33
In a case, as you said, instead of presenting a laboratory study,
03:39
or a medical study of another nature,
03:41
what they presented was a poem by Gabriel Arias Uriburu,
03:44
which was called La herida.
03:46
In another case it was the radiography of a person's navel.
03:51
That was the medical study for an abdominal hernia.
03:55
This was just a link in the chain, because there was a chain.
03:58
But there are many cases.
03:59
Because this has to go through a file of this magnitude,
04:02
where it has a social character, vulnerability, disability,
04:06
it has to go through several factors and processes.
04:11
At one point in the previous management,
04:12
they left the medical controls aside.
04:14
This benefit was focused only on the issue of socio-economic vulnerability,
04:18
which also had its flaws.
04:20
Hence, all these issues were ignored.
04:24
The radiography of the dog was very grotesque,
04:27
and that did not go through.
04:29
Everything else went through.
04:31
Then we found 157 identical radiographs of a broken shoulder,
04:39
as documentation that endorsed the medical certificate that signed the SEMEO.
04:45
And in the last audit we did,
04:49
a person who applied for a pension for an amputated arm,
04:54
came with both arms.
04:56
We have a lot of these examples.
05:00
This past week, let's see if this is true,
05:04
300,000 letters of documents were sent.
05:09
The people who receive these letters of documents
05:12
have to present themselves, to comply with this.
05:17
Yes, yes, yes.
05:18
Let's see, I want to elaborate a little on this aspect.
05:21
These 300,000 letters of documents were sent,
05:24
which are the first batch.
05:25
We are going to audit the entire pension system.
05:29
Everything?
05:30
Everything, everything, everything.
05:31
Because we don't have a solid database.
05:34
Many of these files are not computerized.
05:37
So, the people who receive the benefit
05:40
have to remain calm,
05:42
because the benefit is not going to be taken away from them.
05:44
The other day I received a message from a pension beneficiary,
05:50
a little upset, because he had to bother another person
05:54
to accompany him to do the interview with the doctor.
05:59
We have been saying for a long time
06:01
that unfortunately here they are paying just for sinners.
06:05
Why?
06:06
Let's see, this person should not be bothered,
06:09
but hey, we have to bother her so that she goes
06:12
and contests the doctor, so she maintains the pension.
06:16
But I also tell that person
06:18
that the other just people who are paying
06:21
are the people who do not have this pension.
06:23
So we have to regularize all this.
06:25
Those who are waiting and need it.
06:28
Those who are waiting and need it, and it corresponds to them.
06:30
Diego, what happens if a person is cited by the Andes
06:35
and cannot compete?
06:37
In the letter of document that is going to arrive,
06:39
it has the channels to communicate
06:42
and justify this situation.
06:44
And in those specific cases, a special treatment is going to be given.
06:47
That is planned.
06:49
Perfect.
06:50
What invalidates yes and what does not?
06:53
Why do I tell you this?
06:55
Because there are many social media queries
06:58
that are concerned about those who have a retirement due to a disability from ANSES,
07:03
those who have a non-contributive pension due to a mother of seven or more children
07:07
or for being over 70 years old.
07:09
No, those pensions do not go into this audit.
07:12
We are going to audit the pensions due to labor invalidity
07:15
that were granted through the Andes.
07:18
Perfect.
07:19
Those who have an assistance character,
07:21
who do not have a labor history behind them.
07:24
I do not know which ones are those specifically.
07:27
Specifically, those who ...
07:29
Non-contributive pensions.
07:30
Due to labor invalidity.
07:31
Which are most of what the National Disabilities Agency handles.
07:36
No, the National Agency handles those pensions.
07:38
Of course.
07:39
Then the other graceful pensions that are called,
07:41
are granted by the Congress,
07:43
the pension for a mother of seven children,
07:46
I think it is from ANSES.
07:49
Of course, Andes specifically,
07:51
all that has to do with labor invalidity.
07:54
The new grants.
07:56
What do people have to know?
07:57
A person is vulnerable.
07:58
A person has more than 66% disability.
08:01
He has to be calm.
08:02
He meets those two requirements, he will be able to obtain it.
08:05
Totally.
08:06
We are designing a new procedure
08:11
for the analysis and granting of these pensions.
08:14
Today, and here we return to the issue of just for sinners.
08:17
Today, the whole process of starting new pensions
08:20
is also in some way overwhelmed.
08:23
Oh, I do not know the word, but it is not overwhelmed.
08:26
It's a bottleneck.
08:27
We talked about it just before Trala.
08:30
In addition to the 1,250,000 active pensions that we find,
08:34
we also find 600,000 pension requests.
08:38
That is, we would be talking about a total universe
08:41
of 1,800,000 pensions.
08:44
It is a number that does not resist the slightest analysis.
08:47
But hey, we also have to treat each of those pensions
08:50
that have started.
08:52
That's why we also have ...
08:54
The issue is coming slowly.
08:55
Do you think that this audit process
08:58
that started this past week
09:03
will take the entire first semester of 2025?
09:07
Or will it be extended throughout the year?
09:10
Well, I'm not looking so much at the time
09:15
that this is going to take me.
09:17
I focus much more, and all our team, on doing it right.
09:21
That is, we are trying to minimize the possibility of error as much as possible.
09:25
Because we do not want to make the mistake that can happen to us,
09:30
because we are talking about a million,
09:32
of taking away the pension to whom it corresponds.
09:36
Aside from what the audit will do,
09:40
we are also working on other mechanisms
09:45
that give us the security to make the right decision
09:49
when it is time to lower a pension.
09:52
Is the only certificate of disability key in this whole process?
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