🔵 AUDITAN LAS PENSIONES POR INVALIDEZ LABORAL

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00:00We have on the table an official who has surely been one of the most consulted of the week

00:06because it has been news on a topic that is really very serious, that worries,

00:12but we want to know why this happened and what is going to happen from now on.

00:16Diego Españolo, who is the head of the National Disabilities Agency, is with us.

00:22Thank you, Diego, for joining us.

00:24Hello, Clara. Thank you very much for inviting me to this program.

00:26So we can clarify a lot of doubts that are being generated around this issue

00:30of the auditing of the pension system.

00:32Diego, how does this come about?

00:34Why is it decided to start with this auditing of non-contributive pensions due to labor invalidity?

00:41Well, when we arrived at the agency,

00:43the first thing that caught our attention was the huge number of this type of pensions.

00:48They are pensions due to labor invalidity,

00:51which require a high percentage of labor incapacity for their grant.

00:57The number we found was 1,250,000.

01:01And when we analyzed the growth that there was since this benefit was created

01:05until we arrived, well, it caught our attention a lot

01:08because it jumped from 60,000 to 1,250,000

01:11without there being a war or a natural disaster in the middle.

01:15Throughout last year, we did an analysis of the entire pension system

01:21and we found a lot of irregularities that we reported as we found them.

01:29And well, that's why it took us so long to organize the audit that we are starting this week

01:43that we believe is very necessary.

01:45Diego, a question, because the number is really very high.

01:51More than a million non-contributive pensions due to invalidity

01:55that need, so that people understand, two fundamental requirements.

01:59You said a few moments ago, an invalidity that exceeds 66% and economic vulnerability.

02:05It is assumed that there are owners of those pensions that do not meet these requirements.

02:15I can give examples of both aspects.

02:17If we have detected people with 59 properties to their name,

02:22people with boats, people with aircraft.

02:25When is economic vulnerability?

02:27Of course.

02:28I repeat.

02:29People, this is in that aspect, economic vulnerability.

02:32People with constant exits and entrances to the country,

02:35that they realize that this situation of economic vulnerability is not such.

02:41Of course.

02:42Then with the other aspect, the physical,

02:44we have somehow moored that requirement,

02:48because before it was 76%, we have lowered it to 66%,

02:52which is still very high.

02:54But in that sense we have found everything.

03:00At the time it was discussed, I remember last year,

03:03that we commented here at Just and Necessary,

03:05and in fact I, in different programs where I am part of the journalistic team,

03:10literary texts instead of clinical stories.

03:12Exactly.

03:13Radiographies instead of humans, of animals.

03:15This is so concrete.

03:17That radiography was almost iconic, I would tell you,

03:21because it was the biography of a dog.

03:23And it was repeated.

03:24No, no, that was not repeated.

03:27That case was so rude that it did not go through medical control.

03:31The others did go through medical control.

03:33In a case, as you said, instead of presenting a laboratory study,

03:39or a medical study of another nature,

03:41what they presented was a poem by Gabriel Arias Uriburu,

03:44which was called La herida.

03:46In another case it was the radiography of a person's navel.

03:51That was the medical study for an abdominal hernia.

03:55This was just a link in the chain, because there was a chain.

03:58But there are many cases.

03:59Because this has to go through a file of this magnitude,

04:02where it has a social character, vulnerability, disability,

04:06it has to go through several factors and processes.

04:11At one point in the previous management,

04:12they left the medical controls aside.

04:14This benefit was focused only on the issue of socio-economic vulnerability,

04:18which also had its flaws.

04:20Hence, all these issues were ignored.

04:24The radiography of the dog was very grotesque,

04:27and that did not go through.

04:29Everything else went through.

04:31Then we found 157 identical radiographs of a broken shoulder,

04:39as documentation that endorsed the medical certificate that signed the SEMEO.

04:45And in the last audit we did,

04:49a person who applied for a pension for an amputated arm,

04:54came with both arms.

04:56We have a lot of these examples.

05:00This past week, let's see if this is true,

05:04300,000 letters of documents were sent.

05:09The people who receive these letters of documents

05:12have to present themselves, to comply with this.

05:17Yes, yes, yes.

05:18Let's see, I want to elaborate a little on this aspect.

05:21These 300,000 letters of documents were sent,

05:24which are the first batch.

05:25We are going to audit the entire pension system.

05:29Everything?

05:30Everything, everything, everything.

05:31Because we don't have a solid database.

05:34Many of these files are not computerized.

05:37So, the people who receive the benefit

05:40have to remain calm,

05:42because the benefit is not going to be taken away from them.

05:44The other day I received a message from a pension beneficiary,

05:50a little upset, because he had to bother another person

05:54to accompany him to do the interview with the doctor.

05:59We have been saying for a long time

06:01that unfortunately here they are paying just for sinners.

06:05Why?

06:06Let's see, this person should not be bothered,

06:09but hey, we have to bother her so that she goes

06:12and contests the doctor, so she maintains the pension.

06:16But I also tell that person

06:18that the other just people who are paying

06:21are the people who do not have this pension.

06:23So we have to regularize all this.

06:25Those who are waiting and need it.

06:28Those who are waiting and need it, and it corresponds to them.

06:30Diego, what happens if a person is cited by the Andes

06:35and cannot compete?

06:37In the letter of document that is going to arrive,

06:39it has the channels to communicate

06:42and justify this situation.

06:44And in those specific cases, a special treatment is going to be given.

06:47That is planned.

06:49Perfect.

06:50What invalidates yes and what does not?

06:53Why do I tell you this?

06:55Because there are many social media queries

06:58that are concerned about those who have a retirement due to a disability from ANSES,

07:03those who have a non-contributive pension due to a mother of seven or more children

07:07or for being over 70 years old.

07:09No, those pensions do not go into this audit.

07:12We are going to audit the pensions due to labor invalidity

07:15that were granted through the Andes.

07:18Perfect.

07:19Those who have an assistance character,

07:21who do not have a labor history behind them.

07:24I do not know which ones are those specifically.

07:27Specifically, those who ...

07:29Non-contributive pensions.

07:30Due to labor invalidity.

07:31Which are most of what the National Disabilities Agency handles.

07:36No, the National Agency handles those pensions.

07:38Of course.

07:39Then the other graceful pensions that are called,

07:41are granted by the Congress,

07:43the pension for a mother of seven children,

07:46I think it is from ANSES.

07:49Of course, Andes specifically,

07:51all that has to do with labor invalidity.

07:54The new grants.

07:56What do people have to know?

07:57A person is vulnerable.

07:58A person has more than 66% disability.

08:01He has to be calm.

08:02He meets those two requirements, he will be able to obtain it.

08:05Totally.

08:06We are designing a new procedure

08:11for the analysis and granting of these pensions.

08:14Today, and here we return to the issue of just for sinners.

08:17Today, the whole process of starting new pensions

08:20is also in some way overwhelmed.

08:23Oh, I do not know the word, but it is not overwhelmed.

08:26It's a bottleneck.

08:27We talked about it just before Trala.

08:30In addition to the 1,250,000 active pensions that we find,

08:34we also find 600,000 pension requests.

08:38That is, we would be talking about a total universe

08:41of 1,800,000 pensions.

08:44It is a number that does not resist the slightest analysis.

08:47But hey, we also have to treat each of those pensions

08:50that have started.

08:52That's why we also have ...

08:54The issue is coming slowly.

08:55Do you think that this audit process

08:58that started this past week

09:03will take the entire first semester of 2025?

09:07Or will it be extended throughout the year?

09:10Well, I'm not looking so much at the time

09:15that this is going to take me.

09:17I focus much more, and all our team, on doing it right.

09:21That is, we are trying to minimize the possibility of error as much as possible.

09:25Because we do not want to make the mistake that can happen to us,

09:30because we are talking about a million,

09:32of taking away the pension to whom it corresponds.

09:36Aside from what the audit will do,

09:40we are also working on other mechanisms

09:45that give us the security to make the right decision

09:49when it is time to lower a pension.

09:52Is the only certificate of disability key in this whole process?

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