Election Commission de-notified in Adil Bazai case without waiting for court's verdict: Salman Akram

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00:00You must have read the Supreme Court's decision on fairness.

00:05They said that the affidavit submitted was found to be

00:10wording-exact, not valid, and found to be neither genuine nor valid.

00:18This came from them. Shahbaz Sharif was the party president at the time.

00:24At the end of the decision, they said,

00:41If the court says that the affidavit is neither genuine nor valid,

00:46and if the Supreme Court says that it is not genuine,

00:53does the civil court have the courage to oppose it?

00:57If you have decided that the affidavit is neither genuine nor valid,

01:01and you have removed the person's seat from the election commission,

01:06then I find this to be a strange contradiction in the decision.

01:10Tell me, is this decision right or wrong?

01:14And secondly, can there be a threat to Shahbaz Sharif's de-seating

01:18if this is upheld?

01:23I don't know if he will be de-seated or not.

01:26You are going into the details of this decision.

01:29It is difficult to go into the details of a decision in a talk show.

01:33They said that since Adil Bazaie has denied this affidavit,

01:39that I have not written this affidavit,

01:42and they have taken the matter to the civil court in Baluchistan,

01:45and the matter is going on with regard to this affidavit,

01:48therefore the election commission should not have considered this to be correct,

01:52and should not have de-seated him so quickly.

01:55It is evident that there could be a problem with this affidavit.

02:00This is why the matter is in the court,

02:02because the election commission should have waited for the court.

02:05This is what they have said.

02:07The election commission itself has decided without waiting for the court

02:11that this affidavit is absolutely correct,

02:13there is nothing wrong with it,

02:15and based on this we de-seat Adil Bazaie.

02:17This was a mistake,

02:19and the general opinions of the election commission

02:22have been the same for the past year and a half,

02:25if you remember the decision of Mr. Terminallah,

02:28in the reserved seats, and even before that,

02:30that what was the role of the election commission,

02:32before 8th February and after 8th February.

02:35This is a fact in front of us.

02:38The election case against Dhanli in Punjab,

02:41was filed in the PCO.

02:43But Salman, tell me something,

02:45if these were the grounds,

02:47then they could have simply suspended the decision of the election commission,

02:52and kept the old status until the court decides.

02:56But they have given grounds.

02:58They have written that,

03:00extracts from the official website of the National Assembly,

03:02show that till 27th September 2024,

03:05they were being shown as independent members.

03:07They have talked about videos,

03:09where there are other videos of oath-taking.

03:11Then they talk about the affidavit made by the SHO Civil Lines,

03:14that the affidavit appears to be false and fabricated.

03:17Syed Ahmed Oath Commissioner has said that,

03:20I have not neutralized this.

03:22They are giving all the grounds.

03:24Why are they giving all the grounds?

03:26Have they not prejudiced?

03:29My question is,

03:31has the Supreme Court not prejudiced the lower court,

03:33that they will fearfully give the same decision,

03:35that the Supreme Court has given?

03:39Sir, this is not a question of a talk show,

03:42I have made a decision of the Supreme Court,

03:44there are a lot of issues,

03:46we cannot cover it in a minute or two.

03:48You have read a few lines, it will not be like that.

03:50I will not go into the details of this decision,

03:52it is not like that.

03:54When you read it completely,

03:56and it will take me 20-25 minutes to explain it to you,

03:58that is why I will not talk about it,

04:00we do not have that much time.

04:02Okay, but in case,

04:04you can explain the political angle of the question,

04:06in case the lower court holds,

04:08that the affidavit,

04:10that they have submitted,

04:12that was false or fabricated,

04:14whatever,

04:16after that,

04:18can this case be made against the Prime Minister,

04:20that you have falsely accused this party president,

04:22and then he can be disqualified?

04:24This is my question.

04:28Look, there are possible things,

04:30if it is proven,

04:32that they have deliberately given a fake affidavit,

04:34then obviously,

04:36it will be a matter of corrupt practice,

04:38and our PPC is also on it,

04:40to give a false affidavit,

04:42in a court action,

04:44that is a later matter.

04:46Right now, this decision has to be made,

04:48that this affidavit,

04:50there are two affidavits,

04:52which one is correct?

04:54So, this decision will be made by the civil court,

04:56after that the matter will go to the high court,

04:58and then the matter will come to the Supreme Court,

05:00so it will take time.

05:02Okay, tell us from the court,

05:04the cases that you have appealed against the 14-year sentence,

05:06do you expect to be heard?

05:08Because we are also hearing that,

05:10it is possible that the case will be filed in a routine,

05:12or treated at par with other people,

05:14so if it is filed in a routine,

05:16then we are seeing it after months,

05:18what are we seeing?

05:22No, no, look, the appeal was not filed today,

05:24it will be filed in a few days,

05:26but with this,

05:28there will be a request,

05:30suspension of judgment,

05:32suspension of conviction,

05:34so that will take time,

05:36that will take a few days,

05:38the final decision of the appeal,

05:40that may take time,

05:42but the suspension of conviction,

05:44that will take time.

05:46So, are we looking at weeks,

05:48are we looking at weeks,

05:50are we looking at months,

05:52this appeal?

05:54Yes, yes, weeks, weeks,

05:56but the suspension of conviction,

05:58that will take weeks,

06:00and the matter will go to the Supreme Court.

06:02But then they will be under custody.

06:08Look, they are under custody in other cases as well.

06:10If in this case,

06:12their conviction is suspended,

06:14then the other cases,

06:16they will have to see,

06:18they are also going on at the same time.

06:20This case will go on,

06:22but this case is of a political nature.

06:24In my opinion, this case was nothing,

06:26nothing at all,

06:28I will not discuss it,

06:30but in my opinion,

06:32this case, and all the other cases,

06:34whenever they come to the Supreme Court,

06:36they will be over,

06:38like the Cypher case,

06:40and other cases,

06:42where the conviction,

06:44or the sentence was suspended,

06:46this will happen here as well,

06:48and this will happen soon.

06:50Trump has also taken the oath,

06:52he has become the President,

06:54everyone was saying that

06:56the PTI has put a lot of hopes,

06:59what is the feedback now?

07:01Are you expecting that there will be

07:03any movement there,

07:05or is it too early?

07:09Look, we have said from the beginning,

07:11that the decisions of Pakistan will be in Pakistan,

07:13we will do our political, legal,

07:15struggle here.

07:17America has only this much,

07:19if there is an effect,

07:21that if earlier there was a government there,

07:23which had a biased attitude,

07:25then now we expect,

07:28that we will not have a biased attitude,

07:30and if it has an effect here,

07:32then this is a good thing.

07:34We think that the Trump government,

07:36is not interested in this,

07:38that the PTI should be kept out,

07:40the PTI should be suspended,

07:42Imran Khan should be kept in jail,

07:44their being neutral in this matter,

07:46and our Pakistanis who live there,

07:48if they talk to their own Congressmen,

07:50that is your famous line,

07:52that is your famous line,

07:54they know to be neutral,

07:56neutral is an animal,

07:58what will happen to that?

08:00No, look, that is right,

08:02where there is a mark of truth and justice,

08:04and you say that I am neutral

08:06between truth and justice,

08:08then that is an animal thing,

08:10but they have no relation with our truth and justice,

08:12we have to fight the fight

08:14between our truth and justice.

08:16Let's hope, let's hope,

08:18that the law on which you are so dependent,

08:20some delivery comes,

08:22otherwise there is very little hope.

08:25Sorry, were you saying something?

08:27I said that we have overcome

08:29the law and the courts,

08:31we will continue to talk about principles,

08:33we are not talking about hope,

08:35we will do it on the political level

08:37and on the legal level as well.

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