If Bani and Bushra Bibi Are Not Present on January 17, Will the Court Announce the Verdict?

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00:00Has the judge given any indication that whether he will come on 17th or not, I will announce the verdict.

00:06No, the date of 17th January has been given. I think the verdict will come on 17th January.

00:10There are no two opinions in this.

00:12Do you have any further doubts?

00:14No, I don't think so.

00:16So what is the point of waiting for four days?

00:20Nothing.

00:22So what was the need?

00:24In this polarized environment, I think the judiciary itself should look at some things.

00:31Give it the name of self-accountability, whatever it does.

00:33In Islamabad High Court, I am saying again and again, it looks at the administrative side.

00:37They should look at these things.

00:39Earlier they used to say, why did you go to court at night?

00:42When the questions were raised in the cipher, they must be looking at what is going on.

00:49Today the verdict could have been announced.

00:51There were no doubts, no two opinions.

00:53And it should have been announced.

00:55And if I am deducing from what you are saying,

00:57you also don't think that it will depend on what the negotiations are on 16th,

01:01so the verdict will not come on 17th.

01:03The verdict that was supposed to come, will come on 17th.

01:05Just because of these reasons, it was not announced and it was wrong.

01:07Is this what you are saying?

01:09Yes, yes, absolutely.

01:11We don't have any such information that we can take it and do it with anyone.

01:13Because now the judge himself has also said that I have signed.

01:16The verdict has been written.

01:18On 23rd December, when the date of 6th January was being given,

01:21it was around 9.30pm.

01:23The judge said that he will give you the next date after 10 minutes.

01:25But we waited for 2.5 hours.

01:27He said that he will tell you after looking at the schedule.

01:29So on 6th January, after looking at the schedule for 2.5 hours, something was given.

01:33Today it was given immediately.

01:35So today the judge said that I was on training on 6th January.

01:38So it means that on 23rd December, the date of 6th January was not to be given.

01:42So this was a surprise for me.

01:44That the date of 6th January was not to be given.

01:47Yes, absolutely.

01:48And on 18th December, another thing.

01:50On 18th December, when the verdict is secured,

01:52when the judge closes the file at 9pm after the arguments,

01:56he says that the verdict should be given on 23rd December.

01:58It means that it is clear that I have to write the verdict in the next 3 days.

02:02So it didn't come on 23rd, 6th or 13th.

02:05So it is a strange thing.

02:07The value of justice is at stake.

02:09Do you think this will be a punishment?

02:11I think it will be a punishment.

02:14What do you think, how much will it be?

02:16The maximum is 14.

02:18Now it is up to the judge how much punishment he will give.

02:21Is there anything in this that if the punishment is more than these years,

02:24then it becomes difficult to get bail?

02:26Is there anything like this?

02:28Or the number doesn't matter whether you get bail or not?

02:32The number doesn't matter.

02:34So is there anything in this case that if the punishment is more than these years,

02:36then it will be difficult to get bail?

02:38So is there anything like this?

02:40The punishment for 3, 5 or 7 years will be suspended soon.

02:44The punishment for 10 or 14 years will be a little difficult.

02:46But if the punishment was given on 23rd,

02:50I spoke to Mr. Salman Sardar,

02:52he said that he had prepared an appeal,

02:54and he had to file it on 24th.

02:56If the appeal had been filed by today,

02:58then it would have been matured by today.

03:00Because when the appeal has to be filed,

03:02the decision on the suspension of the sentence

03:04has to be made in 1 month and 40 days.

03:06If the decision is made on 17th,

03:08and the punishment is given,

03:10then you have to keep in mind that

03:12the suspension of the sentence

03:14has to be made on 27th February.

03:16Whether you get bail or not,

03:18the decision will be made in 40 days.

03:20So the punishment is different

03:22when the appeal has to be filed

03:24and the decision has to be made.

03:26But the day the appeal has to be filed,

03:28technically you are not a criminal?

03:30Technically, yes.

03:32Your punishment has to be filed.

03:34You can be released on bail?

03:36Yes, you can be released on bail.

03:38The case is still going on?

03:40Yes, the case is still going on.

03:42Even the Evanfield case was still going on?

03:44Yes, the bail was still going on.

03:46When the bail is done,

03:48the appeal is fixed after a long time,

03:50and then the situation changes.

03:52You are right,

03:54I am not going to talk about the current situation.

03:56But I would like to talk about

03:58the cases that have come forward

04:00in the past,

04:02where the case has not been heard properly.

04:04This has not happened?

04:06No, not at all.

04:08More than 100 cases have been heard,

04:10and the last witnesses of this case,

04:12who were also the investigators,

04:14have been given 35 cases of Jira.

04:16Because the lawyers of Bani PTI

04:18and Bushra Bibi were delaying the hearing.

04:20There was no time limit?

04:22No, not at all.

04:24The lawyers themselves were admitting

04:26that even if we go to the High Court,

04:28we will not be able to go to this base

04:30because we have not been given

04:32the opportunity to go to the High Court.

04:34So we will only be able

04:36to go to the High Court

04:38based on our merits.

04:40Do you think the bail will be difficult

04:42or will it be done?

04:44I mean, will the punishment be temporary?

04:46Well, first of all,

04:48the punishment will be temporary,

04:50and then we will be able to go to the High Court.

04:52It is possible that the judge will acquit us.

04:54You just said that you will not do it.

04:56I think the judge will have a different opinion.

04:58Mr. Sakir, what do you think?

05:00In my opinion,

05:02if there is a punishment in the case,

05:04then the possibility of acquittal is more.

05:06One thing is very important.

05:08In the Cypher case,

05:10the judge did not see

05:12the copy of the cipher.

05:14Based on this,

05:16the case was completely cleared.

05:18In this case, there is a document

05:20that neither the prosecution nor the government

05:22has opened.

05:24The government has not opened that document for two years.

05:26The case is still in the sealed envelope.

05:28The case is still in the sealed envelope.

05:30One person says that

05:32whatever is written in the sealed envelope

05:34was from the State of Pakistan.

05:36The accused says

05:38that it was not from the State of Pakistan.

05:40Now, if the sealed envelope

05:42does not open,

05:44and the judge did not see it,

05:46and if the case is brought to the High Court,

05:48the question arises

05:50that he did not see that it was there,

05:52then how will it be established?

05:54Where is the sealed envelope?

05:56It is with the federal government.

05:58Did the court ask for the sealed envelope?

06:00No, no.

06:02There are no two opinions in that.

06:04The sealed envelope is there.

06:06But the court asked us to give it

06:08so that it can be decided.

06:10No, no.

06:12Neither the prosecution nor the court asked for it.

06:14And neither did the government,

06:16which talks about it again and again,

06:18say that the court,

06:20because there was a note

06:22in the sealed envelope,

06:24so it can be taken.

06:26But the court did not ask for it.

06:28No, no.

06:30The prosecution had to give it.

06:32The prosecution could have given it

06:34to strengthen the case.

06:36Or the federal government could have

06:38asked the court to give it

06:40so that the judge could see it.

06:42Because in the Cypher case,

06:44there was a lot of debate

06:46around this one point.

06:48And then the court said

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