Madaris se mutaliq mazeed koi shikwah nahi lekin..." Kamran Murtaza ka ahem bayan

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00:00If I can ask you without going into too much technicality,

00:03then is it right to say this, or please correct me if I am not able to say it correctly,

00:07that you said that we want to register from here,

00:11the other team or the opposing team said that no, we are registered from there, so we will be registered from there,

00:17then this bill has come in which the summary is that you can register from wherever you want,

00:22and they too will not have to come this way by modifying their registration,

00:26but they too will have their own system, is it right to say this?

00:30Ultimately, you can take it in two ways,

00:34one is that the bill came on 20th and 21st October,

00:37and ultimately it became an Act, in that only the matter of registration was ours,

00:41but after that, I think the ordinance must have been issued today,

00:45we had agreed on that ordinance,

00:47so as a result of that ordinance, some amendments have been proposed,

00:53and as a result of that amendment, they too will be able to register from wherever they want,

00:59and for us, it has become an Act.

01:01Okay, now Mr. Kamran, the question is that it is good that the situation is going on,

01:05it was not a good scene in any way that the Ulema are sitting here, the Ulema are sitting there too,

01:09and there is chaos,

01:10but it is good that the matter is settled,

01:13but can the order of the country go on like this in the long run,

01:17that Mr. Badami, if you want to do it from here, you can do it from here,

01:20Mr. Kamran, if you are coming, you can do it from here,

01:22can it go on without uniformity in the long run?

01:26See, the registration that was happening before, there was no statutory force behind it,

01:31we presented ourselves before the law, and now there is a statutory force behind our registration,

01:38in fact, after the implementation of this ordinance,

01:40which must have been done today or will be done by tomorrow,

01:43after that, there is a statutory force behind their registration too,

01:47and that statutory force has been given in the same Society Registration Act,

01:51apart from this, there was no such law behind which they were being registered,

01:56so the statutory force was given to them while fulfilling our ultimate demand,

02:01and while finding their way,

02:04otherwise, without any law, they were saying that we have been registered with the Directorate of Religious Education,

02:11so their registration, their registration, their not being registered,

02:15there was no relevance in that,

02:17but now that there is a statutory force behind it,

02:20so now there will be relevance, and they will also be covered.

02:23Should your complaint be termed as an end,

02:26or do you have a complaint that something was committed,

02:29but even after that, it could not be done smoothly, after going through so many stages?

02:34If it is finally corrected, then we do not complain after that,

02:38at least in this regard, there is no further complaint about Madarish,

02:42there is a complaint about the election,

02:44we say that the election was not correct, but in this regard…

02:47That complaint will be somewhere else, I was asking about our President's complaint,

02:50there is no further complaint there.

02:52If it is corrected, if it ends well, then everything is well.

02:56It's all well that ends well,

02:57and Sir, we hope that in the future too, your Jamaat can get the support of the government.

03:04No, see, even now, in the midst of this,

03:07I had said that we had reservations regarding the election,

03:11and we will be reservations until the elections are not cancelled.

03:16In this, the judicial matters are not interfered with.

03:20Until then, we will have reservations regarding the election.

03:23We have reservations on the government as a whole,

03:26in which Khawar Pakhtunkhwa is also included,

03:28and here Wafaaq is also included,

03:30and we have objections and reservations on these elections.

03:35But the call to come to Islamabad,

03:37if it had fallen, then the call would not have been permanent,

03:40but it would have ended, right?

03:42There is no such call at the moment.

03:44If the call had been made,

03:46if there had been such a thing,

03:48that there would have been a refusal,

03:50and it would not have been taken forward by the government,

03:52by the President,

03:53then it was possible that the call would have been made,

03:56and as a result, people would have been gathered in Islamabad.

04:00Okay, so now, in a way,

04:02the 26th amendment has been completed,

04:04in a way that it was already done, technically,

04:06but that was also done,

04:07what you had committed to them,

04:08and what they had committed to you,

04:10that was also done.

04:11If I ask you a simple question,

04:13what kind of experience was this?

04:14All this effort, which finally reached its end,

04:16what kind of experience was this?

04:19There is still a limit to this,

04:22regarding Waqf-e-Milag in Islamabad,

04:24and that is pending,

04:26maybe there is a meeting after a day,

04:28in that too, the legislation that has been done,

04:30has not been corrected,

04:31so it was also promised to be corrected.

04:33Now you said that how was all this experience?

04:35This experience was very scary.

04:38Whatever the original draft was,

04:40the original draft would have gone to everyone.

04:42If we had accepted that original draft,

04:45then the result would have been completely bad,

04:48and I was surprised at how it could be agreed upon.

04:53There were 56 clauses in it,

04:55and those 56 clauses were brought to the government in part on 22,

04:59and it was also guided.

05:02Five days later, we included ourselves,

05:04which had to do with the issue of the constitution,

05:06there were some issues with the issue of the court,

05:08there were issues with the issue of the Islamic Council,

05:11so we took a few steps forward with regards to our draft,

05:15including the registration of the Madrassas,

05:18and we tried to reduce the rest of it,

05:22but we can say that it was not an ideal situation,

05:26which still the court is examining,

05:28we will confirm it.

05:31Towards the end,

05:32do you think that the government and PTI negotiations will have a positive outcome?

05:39You can see that the negotiations are going on.

05:45Obviously, there will be some kind of backdoor diplomacy,

05:48or it has already happened,

05:50and the establishment will be involved in some way,

05:53which they don't want to be involved in.

05:56Now, with the establishment,

05:58how much it has become,

05:59or after that,

06:00like Mr. Khawaja Asif's statement came out yesterday,

06:02that stay awake,

06:04so that we don't get harmed,

06:08so now the establishment has to be one of the two,

06:12because how can we keep two together in today's world?

06:15Okay, not permission for two,

06:17but how can we keep two in today's world?

06:23It will be difficult.

06:24Let me tell you that

06:25if we are talking about two swords in one hand,

06:27then we are responsible for our own thoughts,

06:28we are talking about this.

06:29I understood that answer,

06:30I said the same thing,

06:31what are you saying?

06:32Okay,

06:33and sir,

06:34tell me the last thing in this,

06:35some friends gave this opinion,

06:37that was there any better wisdom taken from the PTI,

06:40that the way the government has increased its weight,

06:42not sitting alone in this negotiating table,

06:45but with the People's Party,

06:46which is not even a technical alliance,

06:48including them,

06:49and Mr. Salik is also there,

06:50and Mr. Ejad Ul Haq is also there,

06:52and so on,

06:53so is there any good strategic PTI here,

06:55if Mr. Achak Zahid or Mr. Monana's party

06:57keeps any of their representatives,

06:58it would be a good strategy.

07:00Do you think so,

07:01or if they would have offered you this way,

07:03or if they would have given this suggestion, then?

07:05With PTI,

07:06because we are engaged in the 26th amendment,

07:08so my experience is that

07:10as long as their matter is there,

07:12at that time,

07:13the right matters are going on,

07:15the moment that matter is over,

07:17then after that,

07:18they do not recognize.

07:20Then,

07:21you see it till today,

07:22that we have not put any helpful opposition

07:24even within the parliament.

07:26It was the job of the big party,

07:28to take everyone along,

07:29but they could not take everyone along.

07:31A committee was formed on our part,

07:33a committee was formed on their part,

07:34that we will cooperate in legislation,

07:36issue to issue,

07:37we will move forward,

07:38but you have seen that

07:39even in the 26th amendment,

07:40its weight,

07:41although everything was done by their will,

07:43but ultimately,

07:44they did everything on the other side,

07:46and then after that,

07:47the benefits of that,

07:48they came to collect them themselves.

07:50So this,

07:51I think that

07:52they will not involve others,

07:54maybe.

07:55For this,

07:56there is a need for self-development,

07:58and because there will be an establishment behind this,

08:01and the desire of both sides is that

08:03there will be an establishment,

08:05to make it settled.

08:06So,

08:07if the establishment will settle something,

08:09then everyone will agree to it.

08:11Right.

08:12What do you say,

08:13pride of beauty,

08:14pride of love,

08:15they cannot come,

08:16we cannot go,

08:17then it is fine,

08:18nothing will happen.

08:19Thank you very much.

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