"JUI F Dekh Le Moahida Kya Hai, Muahiday Mein Wizarat Taleem Likha Hai... ", Mufti Muhammad Karim

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00:00This is fine, but sir, tell me a small point, then I will go to Mufti sahib.

00:05Tell me about two things, I will ask one by one.

00:08First is that, again I am saying, if you say that why did the government make a promise to us if it was so bad,

00:13then your point is absolutely right.

00:14So, this has been discussed, I am with you on this.

00:16Now my next question is, in the Ministry of Education, you say I am registering, not in the Ministry of Education.

00:23What is the relationship of the Ministry of Education with this?

00:26What is the relationship of the Ministry of Education with the Ministry of Education?

00:31So, why are you saying that you are from the Ministry of Education?

00:33And you are saying that, sir, it is the institution of Pakistan.

00:35Pakistan Cricket Board is also the institution of Pakistan.

00:37So, you will not be registered in that, right?

00:39What is the relationship of this? Explain this.

00:41Yes, I just understood. So, now you just give me permission.

00:44Then don't ask for 10 minutes. Yes, I am ordering.

00:46No, no, I will not ask for 10 minutes.

00:48I will ask for 1 minute because I am leaving the meeting with you.

00:50I am thankful to you, sir.

00:52The whole meeting is going on.

00:53The thing is, from 1966 till now, we used to take a registration from the Ministry of Education.

00:58Under that registration, we used to register our school as an NGO or an institution.

01:03We used to give our audit report.

01:05The rest, we used to settle our accounts ourselves.

01:08We used to take our donations ourselves.

01:10We used to take our exams ourselves.

01:12In every matter, we were free.

01:14You say that you should leave the Ministry of Education and come to the Ministry of Education.

01:18We are very concerned about Madaris.

01:20We said, thank you very much.

01:22First of all, tell me, who ruined the schools?

01:25Who ruined the universities?

01:27Who ruined the colleges?

01:29Today, there is ice, cocaine, alcohol, all kinds of cases.

01:33Where are the incidents coming from?

01:34Then, let's move forward.

01:35Did you give jobs to the graduates of schools, colleges and universities?

01:39Now, there is no unemployed young man in Pakistan who is asking for a job.

01:43Hey brother, first fix the schools, colleges and universities.

01:46You ruined them.

01:48My question was, what is the relationship between the Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Education?

01:51It is only that they will give us registration from the government.

01:56The rest, we will make our own school register.

01:59We will make its rules and regulations ourselves.

02:03They say, no, come to the Ministry of Education.

02:06We will control it.

02:07We will also make the school register.

02:09Okay, stay with me for two minutes.

02:10I will ask a question to Mufti Sahab.

02:11Then, I will ask you the next question.

02:13If the government says to you,

02:15Now, Mr. Badami, you tell me.

02:19Mr. Mufti Sahab has been listening patiently for a long time.

02:22Mr. Mufti Sahab, now you.

02:24Mr. Badami, now you will give me time.

02:26Tell me, tell me.

02:27Mr. Badami, first tell Mr. Somro.

02:29No, I have to ask you one more question, Mr. Rashid.

02:31I have to ask you one more question in 4-5 minutes.

02:33Yes, Mr. Mufti.

02:34I have asked you the last question.

02:35No, Mr. Badami, tell Mr. Somro.

02:38Tell Mr. Somro to first read that agreement.

02:42He is saying that he is making the same agreement a part of the Act.

02:46That agreement is that we will go under the Ministry of Education.

02:51Tell me, after taking the degree of Madras,

02:55he has to go to HEC for attestation.

02:57He is with the Ministry of Education.

03:00Then, after that, this is also,

03:02perhaps he has no information.

03:05He is issuing HEC equivalence.

03:09He is issuing it to the new jurists as well.

03:11No one has any problem with that.

03:13Listen to the next thing as well.

03:16He is saying that Maulana has talked about one issue.

03:21It is not like that.

03:23Maulana has used a figure of 18,600 Madrasas,

03:28which you are saying.

03:30So, these 18,600 Madrasas,

03:32is it only for one issue?

03:34Among them, 4,000 are of our loyalty.

03:38So, my opinion is that Mr. Somro has not read the things.

03:42Has the government assured you that this agreement,

03:45this law will not be accepted?

03:47Has the government assured you, Mr. Mufti?

03:49No, absolutely not.

03:51If they don't make it,

03:53then we will go to HEC for attestation.

03:57This is not the case.

03:59So, you are saying that they will make the agreement.

04:01This is what you are saying.

04:03No, absolutely not.

04:04How can it be?

04:05We are the main stakeholder of it.

04:07This is what I am saying.

04:10And those who had promised in 2019,

04:13those who have signed,

04:15that they will go with the Ministry of Education.

04:18Among them,

04:20there is no one from the Ministry of Education.

04:23The government has fulfilled all the promises

04:26made under that agreement, Mr. Mufti.

04:29The government is fulfilling all the promises.

04:32At this time,

04:34they have given training

04:36to 2500 students

04:38for technical education.

04:40They have given training to our teachers.

04:42And secondly,

04:44Mr. Somro,

04:46even once in five years,

04:48the Ministry of Education

04:50has not told us

04:52that you have to make this syllabus.

04:54We have made the syllabus ourselves.

04:56We have our own committee.

04:58We have a 25-member committee

05:00in which there are all

05:02BIDs and Muftis.

05:04They have not given us

05:06any guidelines in this regard

05:08nor have they interfered in this regard

05:10in any other Madrasa.

05:12They have created facilities for us.

05:14Yes, they have done this

05:16that our students

05:18want to get the education of the school.

05:20Mr. Mufti, let me conclude this debate.

05:22Mr. Mufti, first you tell us

05:24and then Mr. Rashid.

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