" Bilawal Bhutto Ne Kaha Kya Karen Majboori Hai Tarmeem Ki Himayat Karna Hogi," Kamran Murtaza

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00:00Mr. Kamran, first of all tell us, why was it that Mr. Bilawal, the government,

00:06and Mr. Atta Tarar, who is an official spokesman for the government,

00:09they say that they didn't get the impression that Mr. Maulana has any security in any of the meetings.

00:14That's why they communicated that Mr. Maulana is on board.

00:18Okay, suppose you don't have anything, you don't see anything,

00:24all the meetings that took place at that time, no one was on his side.

00:28The impression that was being given at that time, there were definitely meetings.

00:32I was present in those meetings at Maulana's house,

00:36in which Mr. Ishaq Dar and Azam Nadeem Tarar were also present,

00:41there must have been some other friends, Mr. Mohsen Naqvi.

00:44At that time, it was only verbal talks,

00:49and at that time this impression was given,

00:51that according to Maulana's speech, a document has been made,

00:55and he said that you just have to clear your concept.

00:58So we were clearing our concept, but along with that,

01:02we said that until we see the document, we will not be able to talk to you.

01:08Sir, the minister is saying that the document has been given in your name,

01:11and a written statement has been given on it.

01:13I will tell you, I will tell you, I will tell you the whole thing,

01:15I will tell you the whole thing, and I will do it with full responsibility.

01:18That document, the day he had to get it voted on,

01:24the night before that, that is, there should have been a vote in the morning,

01:27if there was an agreement on it,

01:29so the night before that, at midnight, around 2 o'clock,

01:34he had it sent to Maulana's house,

01:37it was in a black envelope,

01:40and when he sent it,

01:44it was handed over to me to read it.

01:47Now it will be 2 o'clock,

01:49after that, we were just starting to read it,

01:52so Bilawal came.

01:54So because it was about Article 8,

01:57so so far the topic was on Article 8,

02:00this Article 8 draft, you may not have it.

02:04Now we were stuck on this,

02:06so I said to Mr. Bilawal,

02:08Chairman, have you seen this on Article 8?

02:13Mr. Bilawal said, yes, it is a compulsion,

02:16and there is no other way,

02:18and gave this kind of impression.

02:20So at that time...

02:22Sorry, I am interrupting.

02:24You said precisely, Article 8,

02:26which is about fundamental rights,

02:28you precisely said to Mr. Bilawal,

02:30what is this?

02:32He said, you are right, but it is a compulsion,

02:34what can we do?

02:36Yes, exactly the same thing,

02:38and there was a lot of detailed discussion on this.

02:40At that time, Murtaza Wahab was also present,

02:42and for the first time, this paper,

02:44and Mr. Bilawal,

02:46with reference to the paper,

02:48we were sitting on that night,

02:50the day the Journal was being told,

02:52that you have to vote on it.

02:54So the meeting was at 11 in the morning,

02:56then it was 4 in the afternoon,

02:58so when the meeting was supposed to be at 11 in the morning,

03:00that night at 2,

03:02so 9 hours ago,

03:04you got the paper for the first time.

03:06Yes, the paper was given for the first time,

03:08and after one more hour,

03:10Mr. Bilawal said, what is this matter?

03:12So Mr. Bilawal started telling

03:14about the compulsions.

03:16Then after that,

03:18when we went further,

03:20he said, this was my view,

03:22but this is also a compulsion,

03:24or Noor has finalized it.

03:26So, with reference to Article 51,

03:28I objected,

03:30with reference to Article 106,

03:32I objected, with reference to Article 109,

03:34in which the High Court was going to

03:36curtail the jurisdiction,

03:38so after that,

03:40he said,

03:42it was decided,

03:44we had not read it yet,

03:46at that time it had 56 clauses,

03:48later it was 53.

03:50In the 53 clauses,

03:52Mr. Bilawal had read it,

03:54with reference to the environment,

03:56it was not there at that time.

03:58So, we said,

04:00it will take time to read it,

04:02or you can sit with me,

04:04then we will discuss it,

04:06then we will discuss it,

04:08then we will discuss it,

04:10then we will discuss it,

04:12then we will discuss it,

04:14then we will discuss it,

04:16then we will discuss it,

04:18then we will discuss it,

04:20then we will discuss it,

04:22then we will discuss it,

04:24then we will discuss it,

04:26then we will discuss it,

04:28then we will discuss it,

04:30then we will discuss it,

04:32then we will discuss it,

04:34So, you were looking at Mr. Bilawal's case, right?

04:36Yes, I called Mr. Murtaza,

04:38Mr. Murtaza said,

04:40that your name will be changed,

04:42then the 10 o'clock committee,

04:44then it was 10.30,

04:46then it was announced,

04:48that it has been postponed to 2 o'clock,

04:50then by 2 o'clock,

04:52I had a lot of grip on it,

04:54then I went and sat with Mr. Bilawal,

04:56then the same Article 8 thing happened,

04:58then all the talks happened,

05:00then at that time Mr. Bilawal told me,

05:02that it was not being done,

05:04but we are helpless,

05:06you agitate in the committee,

05:08we will support you as much as possible,

05:10we will support you as much as possible,

05:12but we will agitate,

05:14this was discussed in it,

05:16so now, class wise,

05:18me and Mr. Murtaza and Mr. Bilawal,

05:20all three of us were sitting in Mr. Bilawal's office,

05:22in the Parliament House,

05:24and the talk was going on,

05:26then it happened,

05:28meanwhile,

05:30I made a voice note,

05:32that there are such matters,

05:34look at this,

05:36this is a dangerous matter.

05:38Then?

05:40Then Mr. Bilawal called me,

05:42and told me to explain everything,

05:44then I went to him,

05:46then Mr. Bilawal called the rest of the party members,

05:48and

05:50then on this,

05:52Mr. Bilawal got the impression,

05:54that something else was given,

05:56anyway,

05:58then the delay,

06:00was due to the fact,

06:02that our party members,

06:04were trying to understand this matter.

06:06Then, the meeting you had with Mr. Maulana,

06:08you told him,

06:10then Mr. Maulana communicated further,

06:12that we will not be able to vote today,

06:14and the session will go ahead.

06:16After that, Mr. Maulana said,

06:18that this is your version,

06:20it is possible,

06:22that we will have to take a counter version,

06:24or we will debate among ourselves,

06:26this is not an ordinary matter,

06:28this can go to people as well.

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