"Agar Yeh Constitutional Amendment Hogai Tu...", Fawad Chaudhry Raises Concerns

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00:00But Mr. Fawad, let's move back to the political scenario.

00:04In Islamabad, as you said, meetings are going on.

00:07The purpose of these meetings, and it has been said by the Prime Minister,

00:11that you people don't have to go anywhere, all the PMLN people, all the government people should stay here.

00:15Talks are going on, meetings are going on,

00:18there has been an uproar over the amendment of the constitution in Islamabad.

00:21But, the fact remains, that if, in case,

00:24the amendment of the constitution comes tomorrow, and it is passed,

00:29then the scenario after that,

00:31will the court accept it?

00:34Will it remain silent?

00:36You don't see any reaction to this?

00:38No, look, from today's decision, it has been decided that

00:43the constitutional amendment, the Supreme Court,

00:47at least the majority of the judges, will not go with it.

00:51Now, we don't know what the amendment that is coming is.

00:55For example, three things are going on.

00:57One thing is that three years of extension should be given to all the judges,

01:01so that Faiz Issa Sahib gets three more years.

01:04The second thing is that this extension should not be given,

01:07and the judges should be terminated from the seniority principle,

01:12and the Chief Justice should be made out of five judges.

01:15A third proposal is going on, which I have read somewhere about the Law Minister,

01:19he is saying that we have to make a new constitutional court.

01:22Now, this new constitutional court,

01:24look, this was the concept of Walaite-e-Faqih,

01:27which Imam Khamenei brought to Iran,

01:30and now there is a collegium in Iran, which makes all the decisions.

01:34That is, there is no power of parliament, president,

01:37it is a collegium of 8-10 people, which makes the decisions.

01:41If you make this court, then it means that

01:44the parliament in Pakistan is over, there is no solution to it.

01:47Then 7-8 people will sit on top, and they will make all the decisions,

01:51they will tell what is the constitution, what is not, what is what.

01:54Then your parliament is completely over.

01:57Now, the first two cases are not acceptable to the Supreme Court.

02:01The judges of the Supreme Court have clearly said that

02:04Faiz Issa Sahib will have to go.

02:06Not just the Supreme Court, even in the High Court.

02:08That is why when I spoke to you in the beginning,

02:11I did not understand that the establishment and the government

02:14have this policy of keeping Faiz Issa Sahib.

02:17When such a large number of judges of the High Court

02:20and two-thirds of the judges of the Supreme Court

02:23have clearly told you that the current Chief Justice will have to go.

02:27If you keep them, what benefit will you get from it?

02:31Why do you need to fight with the Supreme Court so much?

02:35But their argument is that political motivation should not be in the court.

02:40Obviously, we cannot cross that red line.

02:43But both sides put this allegation on their own judges

02:47that they are politically motivated, so the case cannot move forward.

02:51So that is why it is necessary to amend it.

02:53But this is a rhetoric.

02:56You tell me that if you go on political rhetoric and not on substantive law,

03:04it is a simple thing.

03:05This is the moral justification of the government,

03:08which is not present.

03:10And they only have reliance on the stick, the stick, the gun

03:15to keep themselves stable.

03:17The problem with such governments is that

03:20when even a little bit of coercion starts to go down,

03:23fear starts to go down, they get trapped.

03:26You just saw that the Jalsa took place in Islamabad.

03:29And just like there was a demonstration of indifference,

03:3210 MNAs went to the Parliament and arrested them.

03:36So the problem here is that the judges have to be pro-PTI.

03:42Whoever knows these judges in the Supreme Court, the High Court,

03:47they know that they have no sympathy with PTI.

03:50They are independent judges and have the best legal minds in Pakistan.

03:54There is no doubt about it.

03:56The problem with this government is that they don't even want neutral judges.

04:01So this is unfortunately the reality that the government needs very biased

04:06judges who can write their own prosecution.

04:10It is an independent judiciary.

04:12And what is the problem in Pakistan right now?

04:14The last point, sir, with your permission.

04:16The core problem in Pakistan right now is that

04:20we want to run the martial law democracy together.

04:23This is not possible.

04:25You want to keep the tag of democracy,

04:28you want to run the martial law.

04:30Wasn't it like this in 2018, sir?

04:33Sorry.

04:41Although two wrongs cannot make a right.

05:02We were a part of the western bloc.

05:04We were fighting wars here.

05:06Of course, there had to be an army.

05:08But what is happening in 2024,

05:11this exact situation that we have started from 2022,

05:15this has never happened before in Pakistan.

05:18In Pakistan, or after this, what have you done?

05:22This is the problem.

05:24You have made such a man the Prime Minister who has 18 seats.

05:28Can Mr. Zardari and Mr. Shabaz Sharif be the Prime Ministers in this country?

05:33If there is a little bit of democracy in the country.

05:36These questions obviously come from the PTI.

05:39But please explain this to me at this time.

05:41Because now it's not just about legal reform.

05:43Where does the PTI come from, Anika?

05:45This has happened in front of the whole of Pakistan.

05:47This is not an issue of the PTI.

05:49I understand what you're saying.

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