At a Senate Commerce Committee hearing on Thursday, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) spoke about broadband affordability.
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00:00Next, we're going to hear from the ranking member of the full committee, Senator Cruz.
00:04Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Dr. Winfrey, you note in your testimony that one proven way
00:09to promote broadband affordability is through competition. According to a recent study by Econ
00:15One, competition from 5G fixed wireless service and home broadband markets was shown to produce
00:22billions per year in consumer savings. These are precisely the competitive benefits that the
00:28Spectrum Pipeline Act, which I introduced in partnership with Senators Thune and Blackburn,
00:34would provide. Unfortunately, instead of expanding access to mid-band spectrum
00:41and promoting competition from wireless services, the Biden administration has engaged in
00:46anti-competitive technology bias while stalling out on spectrum. Dr. Winfrey, in your judgment,
00:54how would my spectrum pipeline legislation compare to the ACP in promoting long-term
01:00broadband affordability? Spectrum auctions would increase competition and bring more folks into
01:06the market. We would have more ISPs doing more cool things with them, which would ultimately
01:10reduce prices. And lower prices, in turn, benefits consumers. That's right. Benefits everybody.
01:18And higher prices, which the ACP has produced, that's hurting consumers. Is that right?
01:23That's right. I mean, one of the issues with ACP is that it's a one-size-fits-all
01:27policy. It's a $30 monthly subsidy regardless of where that person sits. And one of the things
01:34that we've seen is that ACP has predominantly covered folks living in urban areas relative
01:40to rural areas. So ACP is not a solution for rural areas, assuming that rural broadband
01:48connectivity is an issue, which I think that it is. And I think that there's a lot that we can
01:52ultimately do there, which begs the question, well, why don't we use this as an opportunity
01:57to reform ACP? Well, and millions of people across Texas and across the country are hurting
02:04from inflation, inflation that has been galloping in the last three and a half years, particularly
02:09when Democrats had unified control of Congress and the White House, where they spent trillions
02:13of dollars we didn't have. They printed money we didn't have. They borrowed money from China we
02:18didn't have. They're producing inflation that is hurting working families across the country.
02:23And we now have Democrats coming back saying we want to spend billions more, even though it will
02:29fuel inflation and it will drive up the cost for consumers across the board. Is that right?
02:34That's right. So there are two ways that ACP affects prices. The first way that it affects
02:38prices is by setting essentially a price floor for plans. What my research shows is that that
02:45predominantly hits, again, urban areas. So what we saw before ACP is a bunch of plans that were,
02:51say, $20 up, $20 down, $10 a month. Those went away during ACP, right? So the speed levels went up
02:59moderately, but the price level went from $10 to $30, because that's where the AC benchmark is.
03:06So all those cheap plans went away. And then the second way that ACP affects inflation
03:12is through government spending. I mean, right now we've seen, you know, we live in an economic
03:18environment where the Fed is having a really difficult time getting inflation under control.
03:23Interest rates on short-term debt are 5.5%. And so every dollar that is spent by the federal
03:29government is ultimately inflationary right now. So are consumers better off at being able to get
03:36broadband at $10 or $30? $10. It's pretty remarkable. All right, let's shift to another
03:43topic. Dr. Winfrey, in your testimony, you raised that there are other low-income broadband
03:48subsidies in addition to ACP. In fact, as we've heard, there are multiple taxpayer subsidies
03:56for Internet connectivity. GAO recently identified over 130 of them. The longest standing of these
04:05are the universal service funds programs at the FCC. I don't think we would be having this
04:11conversation about broadband affordability if the FCC were properly managing the universal
04:16service fund programs. Dr. Winfrey, aren't some of these FCC programs demand-side subsidies? And
04:25what do these programs spend on a yearly basis? Sure, they're both demand-side subsidies, and
04:30they're also supply-side subsidies. So there are four main programs. There's Lifeline, the high-cost
04:36program, schools and libraries, or E-rate, and then rural health care. And together, those four
04:41programs spend about $9 billion a year. And yet, according to at least some members of this
04:48committee, the FCC needs yet another program. Why not fix the current programs and take the lessons
04:55the ACP has learned and apply them to making sure the funding we actually have works? This
05:01is what I proposed in my blueprint for universal service fund reform. In your view, Dr. Winfrey,
05:10what changes should Congress consider making to ACP and the universal service fund
05:15before adding additional funding to any of these programs? Sure, I think there are a number of
05:19reforms that can be added. I mean, we can learn from the experience of the Affordable Care Act,
05:24Obamacare. Premium tax credits went to low-income individuals, and we learned that folks who were
05:32receiving those tax credits shouldn't have actually been receiving those tax credits.
05:35And so one of the things that Congress can do is it can learn from that experience to actually
05:42recapture ACP funds that should be used for low-income populations. It's probably going to
05:48folks who are making much more than two times the federal poverty line. Another option that the FCCIG
05:54has explored is requiring Social Security numbers for the receipt of ACP benefits to make sure that,
06:00again, folks who are entitled to the program are actually receiving the benefit and that
06:05the benefits are not going to folks who shouldn't be receiving those benefits.
06:11But, you know, as I mentioned before, one of ACP's main problems is that it's this universal
06:16program. It's a one-size-fits-all issue. And if ACP funding should expire and Congress should
06:26begin thinking about how to reform some of these underlying programs, it needs to take those
06:34regional differences into account, right? The issues that we see in New Mexico versus Minnesota
06:39versus Texas are all different, and these one-size-approaches just don't work. We've learned
06:44that time and time again. Thank you.