Kiya PTI ko Makhsoos Nashitain Bacha Payengi? Mohsin Shahnawaz Ranjha & barrister ali zafar Analysis

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00:00 But Ghanza Sahib, these seats can't be given to anyone else, right?

00:03 Muslim League has already taken seats according to their numbers,

00:07 People's Party has already taken seats according to their numbers,

00:09 these seats will only go to those who have the right numbers.

00:11 Look, Joe, you have said a couple of things.

00:16 There is a period in which the meeting will be called for.

00:19 And that period is also applicable to the President of Pakistan.

00:24 Along with that, you have said two things about legal technicalities,

00:28 and you have also answered that, which Ali Zafar Sahib was saying,

00:31 that if the number, the notification, and the notification of oath,

00:37 which he talked about, that if the notification is made before the oath,

00:40 and when the date of the oath is set, the seats and votes are surrendered.

00:43 In this way, I tell you, in every assembly, there are 15-20 seats,

00:48 whose notifications are not there at that time,

00:51 and the meeting is called for.

00:52 There are similar legal technicalities in it,

00:55 there are court orders somewhere, you see, because of 2, 4, 10, 15 seats,

00:59 the mandate that is being translated through the constitutional process into Parliament,

01:04 you cannot stop it because of the difference of 15, 10, or 20 seats,

01:09 the whole house behind you, for example, the 300-square-foot house,

01:13 you cannot stop it, because the affairs of Pakistan,

01:16 the affairs of the state, the model of the Pakistan constitution,

01:21 it has to be operational only when this Parliament sits,

01:24 and then the government of Pakistan assumes that Parliament.

01:27 After that, the role of the caretaker is over.

01:29 So, the speaker, the President, who delayed this,

01:33 the President has an angle with the PTI,

01:36 it cannot be overruled.

01:38 He does not call himself separate from the justice movement,

01:41 he goes to jail and meets the Bani chairman of the justice movement,

01:47 and his inclination towards the justice movement has remained.

01:52 So, the President, as it is,

01:55 you cannot call him impartial in this whole role.

01:59 But no President is impartial.

02:01 President of Pakistan, since the time...

02:03 Mr. Javanna, he is a political President, he will be political,

02:05 he will have a leaning towards his political party.

02:07 I agree with you, you are right, there is no one.

02:12 So, I am saying this because the constitutional model should be operational.

02:18 And as far as the seats are concerned,

02:21 I will give you an example of the Baap Party.

02:23 They are saying that the seats of the Sunni Tehreek-e-Jamaat

02:28 will be replaced.

02:31 Now, as you said, it varies on a case-to-case basis.

02:35 Here, people are not present in their list.

02:39 So, if they are not present, then there will be a decision on it.

02:44 That's the problem.

02:45 People say that they had joined the party,

02:47 the problem is that case-to-case,

02:49 what suits them and what goes against our opponents.

02:52 In Pakistan, political decisions are based on women.

02:55 Basically, you look at a situation,

02:57 you should say that if the Tehreek-e-Jamaat has joined,

03:00 it is their right to get seats.

03:02 I will say the same thing.

03:05 I don't have any confusion in that.

03:08 Kashif, this decision is not possible in a way where there is clarity,

03:12 where there is a list.

03:14 But listen to me, decide on one thing, Mr. Granja.

03:17 These seats cannot go to Noon.

03:19 These seats cannot go to PP.

03:21 Because they have already taken their seats.

03:23 Now, it is not possible that if there are 326 seats,

03:26 30 of them are less,

03:28 that if someone has not given a list,

03:30 then this time it is from 1,290.

03:32 This is also not possible.

03:34 You are right.

03:35 I am not saying that you don't understand what I am saying.

03:38 I said that this procedure, this thing,

03:40 this thing will be decided because there are subjudices there.

03:43 Now, this matter will be decided.

03:45 I am not in a position to give a verdict on this matter.

03:48 But principally, what you are saying,

03:50 if a party absorbs those seats,

03:52 principally, your point will be correct.

03:54 But I don't want to say anything that will affect my point

03:57 or my point will be taken out in an angle.

03:59 The Chief Election Commissioner and the Election Commission

04:02 will not affect your point.

04:04 They have made many decisions.

04:06 I am pretty sure that they will decide on their own.

04:09 They will decide on their own.

04:11 I cannot see an end to the opinion of the subjudice.

04:15 I can only say that they will decide.

04:17 Sir, it is not the case of the Election Commission and the court.

04:20 The matter is subjudice.

04:21 The matter is not in the courts.

04:22 The matter is in the Election Commission and the court.

04:24 I am pretty sure that all...

04:25 Sir, the powers of the Election Commission are of the court.

04:27 Sir, I understand that it is not a court.

04:29 They have the powers of the court.

04:30 It is not a court.

04:31 Mr. Ali Zafar, have you given a list or not?

04:35 Earlier you were saying that you have not given a list.

04:38 I have given a list.

04:41 I have given a list.

04:42 In fact, we hear that the decision will be made on it today.

04:46 But the decision is not being made.

04:49 We were saying that there will be a delay.

04:53 It is not a matter of delay.

04:55 According to the schedule,

04:57 the day we had to join the party according to the schedule,

05:01 we joined the party.

05:03 The day we had to give a list, we gave a list.

05:06 Now, the only problem is that the Election Commission is delaying.

05:11 There are two reasons for this.

05:13 One is the election of the President.

05:17 The Deputy Speaker wants the reserved seats,

05:21 who have to come,

05:23 the candidates of PTI or you can call them the candidates of the Sunni Union for now,

05:28 they have to come and join,

05:31 they have to take their votes and vote.

05:33 They should not be able to vote.

05:35 The election of the Senate is coming up.

05:37 The number of Senators is also affected.

05:40 This is a game plan.

05:42 I think everyone can see why the reserved seats are not being given.

05:47 You are absolutely right that according to the schedule,

05:50 they have to get the reserved seats.

05:53 PM LN does not want to go to these seats because they have taken their quota.

05:57 People's Party does not want to go to these seats because they have taken their quota.

06:01 Only those people have to go, who are members and who are sitting under the umbrella of Sunni Unity.

06:09 Only they have to go to these seats.

06:11 Then why delay?

06:13 You yourself said that there are Presidents and today you mentioned one President in the newspapers.

06:18 You mentioned one President of the Baap Party where this happened.

06:22 We have two more such decisions of the Election Commission,

06:27 where the lists were not given.

06:29 People joined and after joining they got the reserved seats.

06:35 The Article 51(6) says very clearly that the list of the Presidents is not given or not given.

06:45 The Article says that only those will get the seats who are members of a political party.

06:50 You will get the seats according to the number of your candidates.

06:56 But you are saying that the Election Commission is making this decision on political grounds or not?

07:01 You say that the Senators will be elected.

07:03 There is no doubt that there is a delay.

07:06 We have no doubt about that.

07:10 I am sure that tomorrow they will decide.

07:13 They cannot do it so blatantly.

07:15 It is not possible that they will sit with the seats reserved.

07:18 I am pretty sure that tomorrow's meeting will be called and a decision will be made on this basis.

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