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Russian Discounts On Crude Oil Imports Declining: Chennai Petroleum MD | NDTV Profit
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Esh Shankar, Director and Managing Director of Chennai Petroleum joins in and also Meeka
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joins me in the studios because she tracks this company in the sector extremely closely.
00:09
I'll start with the first question, sir, and try to understand what's happening with the
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company, with the industry.
00:15
These are truly tough times and I know it's, there's only that much you can do in order
00:19
to ensure that you're least impacted, but that is what it is.
00:24
Your co-GRMs have declined significantly as compared to historical GRMs that we've seen.
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What is going on?
00:32
Are you working on ways and means to improve your co-GRMs in the upcoming quarters?
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What can we expect in the second half of the year with regard to co-GRMs?
00:41
Good morning, everyone.
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It's good to share with you the kind of performance that we have done in this Q2 and I just want
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to assure the investors and assure the stakeholders that the direction that the company is going
00:55
to, I thought I'll just share a couple of insights about the company so that your confidence
01:00
in the company will be restored.
01:03
I understand fully well from what you have seen and what has been reported is that the
01:08
couple of things are very important for the company's growth journey to be understood
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upon.
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How a standalone refinery like Chennai Petroleum Corporation Limited is going to navigate the
01:18
times ahead, that is very important to be understood.
01:20
So I want to give this in the perspective of the Q2 that we have done.
01:24
So let me give you three important parameters that actually define the company's performance.
01:29
One is the crude prices that have to be looked at and you could see that the crude prices
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have been extremely volatile during this quarter and from high of about $84 to almost $74 swing
01:41
we have seen in this last three months.
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And these three months the crude price in our CPCL basket has almost fluctuated by $10,
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that is the range that we have seen.
01:51
Secondly the crack prices which is also very important.
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The crack prices have been almost steady, almost stagnant over this quarter and we compare
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it with the last quarter.
02:00
But if you compare this crack's position with respect to the last financial year, the last
02:04
financial year has been something like $25 we have seen on diesel and we have seen even
02:10
in the diesel and ATF also we have seen close to $20.
02:15
So looking at those kind of crack positions, the current crack positions in both the Q1
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and Q2 of these financial years have been very stagnant and very subdued.
02:24
We have seen the diesel cracks hovering around $8 to $10 during this quarter and even the
02:30
MS cracks have been left roughly about $5.
02:33
So this Q2 has been a very disturbing or very tough time because we have seen single
02:39
digit cracks of these very important products.
02:42
These two are the areas which are definitely not in the control of the company.
02:46
But the third most important parameter is the operational efficiency of the company
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and that is where I would like to bring to your notice that during this time when the
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cracks are not really encouraging and the crude also is fluctuating.
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So we have gone on a maintenance work in the plant.
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We have taken almost about two major blocks of our refineries.
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We have taken shutdowns and we have completed all the shutdown now and in that scenario
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we should be able to look forward to a very robust performance in Q3 and Q4 because we
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will be able to do a very high level of operational efficiency and we will bring in a lot of reliability
03:22
also to the plant which is foremost important because this third area which I am talking
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about as the operational area which is totally something that we need to really control and
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we want to be in control of this scenario.
03:33
So I would say that although Q2 has been not very encouraging from the perspective
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of the numbers, I would say that looking forward the times were bad in Q2 and all the globally
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this problem has been faced by many companies.
03:47
Right sir.
03:48
Yeah.
03:49
Sir, we completely resonate with what you are saying and we also understand this is
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tough times and there is only that much you can do to insulate yourself from what is happening
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globally.
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But very quickly, yes Q2 was tough, you know you have worked operationally to enhance performance
04:04
which will of course pay out in the next few quarters but do you feel like the second half
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of the year will be better than this or do you think the pain will last longer and until
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there is, I mean the recovery probably far out will only be in Q4?
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Coming to this question of looking forward to the second half, the numbers are slightly
04:25
encouraging now, the cracks positions are slightly improving now and despite the cracks
04:31
position however it varies, our operational efficiency will bring in lot of good revenues
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and we are also trying to maximize our value added products which will give substantial
04:42
margin to our overall profitability.
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So I think that despite where we are looking at now, I have a very strong feeling and I
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have confidence to say that the QH1 will give us much better results than what we have seen
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in H1.
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H2 will give us much better results than what we have seen in H1.
04:59
A better second half of the year in FI25, Mr. Shankar he got this side, I wanted to
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ask you in terms of your refining throughput in Q2, where did it stand at and what is your
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entire FI25 target and are you confident that the company will meet it?
05:15
Yeah see the point is the throughput that we have seen in Q2, we have done more than
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2 million metric tons and we have a nameplate capacity of 10.5 million metric tons and last
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year we did phenomenally well, we did more than 110% of the capacity utilization but
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in H1 we have done 94% capacity utilization on the back of the shutdowns that we have
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taken in Q2.
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So if you look at Q1 per se, it was more than 100% and Q2 we have done something and the
05:41
overall H1 we have got 94% and I'm sure that in the H2 we will be able to ramp up our production
05:47
capabilities and we will be achieving more than 100% capacity utilization.
05:51
In terms of crude prices now they have been very volatile off late, so what was the strategy
05:57
looking like in Q2 in terms of your crude sourcing and in terms of Russia as a percentage
06:02
of your entire imports, where did it stand and how have you seen the discounts playing
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out and where do you see this going next?
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See if you look at the way the Russian crude discounts have been panning out, there has
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been a steady decline in the discounts that are available and currently we are looking
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at very low level, roughly about 1.5 is what we are looking at and that is still a good
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opportunity crude available in the market and as per our performance requirement, as
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per our refining capability and refining requirements, we will be definitely looking at these opportunity
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crudes and we generally have a tie-up of 50% term crude that we use and balance 50% we
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use between the spot crude and the local indigenous supply.
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So roughly around 35% to 40% of the opportunity crudes we look at every point of time.
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So even if one or two dollars are available, nevertheless it is a good benefit for the
06:59
company but we cannot really compare it with what we have seen in the past, the kind of
07:04
discounts that are available, that is definitely not in the current scenario, we do not have
07:10
the discounts anymore.
07:12
There have been reports about how the company is planning to help build a major oil refinery
07:18
in South India and the company is in talks to raising loans, could you give us some details
07:23
on this?
07:24
See along with our parent company, Indian Oil Corporation, we are planning a 9 million
07:32
metric ton refinery at Nagapattinam, south of Chennai, it is about 350 kilometres from
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Chennai, so that is one refinery where we have done about 10% of pre-engineering work
07:42
and some pre-project activities we have completed and we are waiting for the final approvals
07:47
to come from the Government of India for the infusion of equity in the project.
07:53
So as soon as that is done, we will be up and running, our engineering and other activities
07:57
have been completed to a great extent and our tenders also are in the market.
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So we expect that once the go-ahead is given, the refinery will be up and running very soon
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and as compared to the other refining companies that are coming, that's all in a very preliminary
08:11
stage.
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So I believe that our 10% of engineering progress is a very substantial progress that we have
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done.
08:18
Last quick question Mr. Shankar, you know debt was significantly higher in the first
08:22
half of FY25, over 6000 crores versus 2000 crores a year ago, how does this play out
08:30
and what has this been raised for?
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Let me assure you here that the kind of debt that we have gone into recently is because
08:40
of the low operating scenario and once the refining throughputs increase and we are able
08:47
to match up to the production, we are able to ramp up the production capabilities, our
08:51
revenue figures will also substantially improve and the debt portion we will plan to bring
08:56
it down by another 1500 to 2000 crores in the coming quarter so that we are at a sustainable
09:00
level as we were before the Q1 results were announced.
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So I think with the new project, the refineries which are going to come up now after the shutdown,
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we should be in a comfortable position to bring back our debtivity position to roughly
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around 3000, 4000 we should be able to manage.
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Thank you very much Mr. Shankar and good luck, it's tough times but we hope that you can
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navigate this at best.
09:25
Thank you so much.
09:27
Thank you, nice talking to you.
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With that, the markets are still flat, the bulls are still struggling, 24,400 is turning
09:31
out to be quite the level that we should be tracking today, around that but there is
09:36
no sustainable material recovery that is visible on the street just yet.
09:41
Parts of the market are doing okay on back of earnings, the broader market universe performing
09:45
a lot better than the large cap space, HUL is under tremendous pressure on back of disappointing
09:50
numbers, SPL Life also not looking good, Hindalco too selling off in trade.
09:55
So it's a tough day of trade just like it has been for the last couple of days.
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With that we are completely out of time, thanks for watching but there is a lot more
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programming on the other side so keep it with us.
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