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00:00music plays
00:23Good evening.
00:26Well, my two guests tonight are like chalk and cheese.
00:29Not a good combination in a sandwich, but put them together on a show like this.
00:33In fact, this very show, and you've got the sort of show that promotes itself,
00:37which is just as well given the current state of the ABC marketing budget.
00:42That's it, huh?
00:45Well, there's more to come.
00:46Please welcome actor, singer and Australia's sweetheart, Lisa McCune.
00:50Lisa's either in them.
01:00I will get one after.
01:02I'll definitely take one home, Lisa.
01:04Ward off the scurvy, just in case.
01:06Please, have a seat.
01:07Oh, thank you.
01:08I am, if nothing else, a polite host.
01:11Now, Lisa, your house is on the top of a cliff.
01:15Beautiful home, beautiful views.
01:17Now, with rising sea levels due to global warming,
01:20which may or may not exist for balance,
01:22the cliff is eroding.
01:24It's collapsing and your house is plummeting into the ocean.
01:27Which two items would you save from your house in that moment?
01:30Bearing in mind, pets and loved ones and photos are already saved.
01:33They're safe.
01:34They're safe.
01:35So, something else.
01:36Alright.
01:37First, I am thinking my beloved coffee machine.
01:42Is there a second item?
01:44The second item, I'm going to grab the complete works of Shakespeare,
01:47which has been passed down through my family and it's in tatters,
01:50but I could actually even throw that on top of the coffee machine
01:53and take both if I was really quick.
01:54It's bring those items on now!
01:59Don't drop that.
02:00There it is.
02:02Thank you very much.
02:03Oh dear.
02:04Oh dear.
02:05Oh dear.
02:06Mith Warhurst and Allan Poe, ladies and gentlemen.
02:07Thank you very much.
02:12My eye is drawn to the large shiny object there.
02:15Isn't she beautiful?
02:16She.
02:17It's interesting.
02:18You've gendered your coffee machine.
02:19Aren't most things kind of...
02:20I feel like it's like a boat or a, you know...
02:23I don't know why she's a she, actually.
02:25She is a she.
02:26She is a she.
02:27Is it a French gendering?
02:28Do you make mainly Nescafe in it?
02:30I don't know.
02:31No, I kind of think if it was a he, I think all of the hand work that goes on with it
02:35might feel really offensive in some way.
02:37Okay.
02:38Agreed.
02:39This seems expensive.
02:40How much is it?
02:41Can I...
02:42Is it gauche to ask how much it is?
02:43It's a great investment.
02:44But I think...
02:45But in saying that, I think it's been a great investment because if you think about coffee
02:50and, you know, you see all those things on Instagram that say if you spend $7 a day
02:53because of all the crazy milks that we have and you had two or three a day out, like that's
02:58kind of getting up there, isn't it?
02:59How much is it?
03:00How much is it?
03:01I mean, it was...
03:02Jesus Christ.
03:03I know.
03:04But worth every cent and saved me a fortune and saved my sanity as well because when I
03:09turn this on in the morning and I hear it's starting to warm up, the peace it gives me,
03:14it's the first sound I hear in the morning and there's a calm, it's like a meditation.
03:18You're an actor, can you do an impression of your coffee machine in the morning?
03:21OK, so the first sound, if you just close your eyes for a moment, you hear a click and
03:27then you start to hear a shh, shh, shh, shh, shh.
03:33That's the pressure valve going on.
03:34That's interesting.
03:35So the shush gets louder, ironically.
03:38It does.
03:39And then once it hits the level of pressure that it needs to, then it calms down again.
03:44Oh, really?
03:45And then I know it's ready.
03:46It's kind of a robot, isn't it?
03:47It's a robot.
03:48There's a simplicity to it that's just beautiful as well.
03:51Wouldn't it be cheaper and more simple simply to not drink coffee?
03:56Well, depending on what happens here tonight, maybe I will give up coffee.
04:01OK.
04:02Maybe that will be the sign, depending on how things pan out.
04:05Could you give it up?
04:06Yes, because when I've had my children, during pregnancy I was very good.
04:10I didn't have, you know, soft cheeses, coffee or alcohol.
04:14Not in that.
04:15No.
04:16Um, I don't know a lot about coffee.
04:19I don't drink coffee.
04:20Oh, OK.
04:21I've never had a cup of coffee in my life.
04:22But I did some research and it's got caffeine in it, hasn't it?
04:25Coffee.
04:26How old were you when you first introduced to the drug caffeine?
04:31I was young.
04:32You were young?
04:33How old were you?
04:34Probably during my uni days.
04:36Uni days.
04:37When did you become a regular user?
04:38Oh.
04:39Having children, definitely.
04:41When I started having children, it became my reward.
04:44It was like, before the house wakes up, I would have that cup of coffee.
04:47Right.
04:48Did you have it at work?
04:49Yeah, it used to be.
04:50When I was doing a show called Blue Heelers, about four o'clock in the afternoon,
04:54it was just that little thing that would get you over the edge.
04:57It really helped straighten out your brain sometimes.
05:00It actually can kind of make you feel as though you are a little bit more alert.
05:05All right.
05:06So caffeine ravaged, you stagger from job to job.
05:09Yes.
05:10Eager to get your next fix.
05:12Yeah.
05:13You're drinking coffee socially.
05:14Mm.
05:15And you drink now by yourself.
05:16I know.
05:17Not so early in the morning.
05:20Hey, can I ask you a question?
05:21This is an actor question, because you're an actor who drinks coffee.
05:24This is a serious question, because I often watch films and television where often American
05:28actors are drinking takeaway coffee, and to me it's not convincing.
05:31It doesn't look like there's any coffee at all in the takeaway container.
05:35Has that ever occurred to you?
05:36On the odd occasion you're lucky if the props department actually give you a real coffee,
05:40but most of the time it's probably just got water in it.
05:42But see, this is actually interesting you talk about that too.
05:45I don't use takeaway containers anymore.
05:47I mean, this has helped the environment in a lot of ways,
05:50because I actually just use a mug at home.
05:52Oh, use a mug?
05:53I thought you might have just put your mouth around the...
05:56Some morning.
05:57Well, you could do that.
05:58I haven't tried that, but I guess if things got desperate you could.
06:00Is it a gateway drug, do you think?
06:02Would it lead...
06:03Could you see yourself buying a methamphetamine machine?
06:07Wow.
06:08Look, I probably don't...
06:09I'm concerned about my teeth, although coffee's probably not great for your teeth.
06:12Can I look at your teeth?
06:13Come on.
06:14They're fine, they're fine.
06:15They're okay.
06:16I mean, considering...
06:17Now, there are different types of coffee, aren't there?
06:19Which surprised me, because it all comes from a bean.
06:21I thought it would be like wine, you know?
06:23It's all the same.
06:24It comes from grapes.
06:25But there are different types of coffee, aren't there?
06:28Well, because that's the other piece that I have to this.
06:30I've got a little grinder as well.
06:31Yeah.
06:32And then I do the beans as well.
06:33Isn't that an app?
06:34Yeah.
06:35Not one that I've been using, but maybe.
06:38Yeah, that would be a really good start to the morning.
06:40Which is your preferred brew?
06:41There's a Guatemala kind of vibe that I quite like with the beans.
06:44What is it?
06:45Guatemala.
06:46Guatemala.
06:47Yeah, or Colombian beans are quite nice.
06:48Colombian, yes.
06:49But the more I talk about it, the more I'm thinking I really should give up.
06:54Like, it's actually starting to shine a light on a problem here, I think.
06:57And I can't believe that you've never had a cup of coffee.
06:59If this was plugged in, I would make you one.
07:02And I'd make you the most amazing cup of coffee, just so you could just have a sip.
07:06That's how it starts, though, isn't it?
07:08That's how it starts.
07:09Of course you are.
07:10Because I'd love to see what...
07:12You've never, ever had a cup of coffee.
07:13No, no, I haven't.
07:14I haven't.
07:15I haven't.
07:16There's a creaminess to it that's so beautiful.
07:17And there's this beautiful kind of balance, if you do have milk, between it being a little
07:21bit kind of sour and a little bit kind of sweet.
07:25And it's really good.
07:26It's very sad hearing you talk like this.
07:28I know.
07:29But I'd love you to try it.
07:31Well, thank you so much for that.
07:33That's very, very interesting.
07:34It's been lovely to actually delve deeply into my problem.
07:37Okay, we're going to something that's not a problem now.
07:39You can be addicted to Shakespeare and it's not a problem.
07:41In fact, it's very helpful for your work, is it not?
07:43How old is this book?
07:44Am I allowed to touch it?
07:45Yes.
07:46It's actually falling apart on the spine.
07:47And I really love this book because it...
07:49I mean, look at how pretty this is.
07:51I mean, it's falling apart.
07:52But look at how pretty this is here.
07:54And the photographs inside are amazing.
07:55So this was on my bookshelf growing up.
07:57And my mum always had it.
07:58I don't know exactly how it came into our life.
08:01It might have been picked up at a book sale.
08:03I'm not sure.
08:04But the inscriptions and everything...
08:05Oh, yes.
08:06It does say...
08:07This is 1911.
08:08But it may have been published slightly earlier.
08:09Is your mother an actor?
08:10No, she's not.
08:11How did she get...
08:12Was it given to her by...
08:13I don't know.
08:14I really don't know the history of it.
08:161911, it'd have to be...
08:17Yeah, mum's not that old.
08:18She'd be pretty...
08:19No, she's not that old.
08:20110 years old.
08:21Isn't that fabulous?
08:22Is that what it is?
08:23Yeah.
08:24There's something about that book that I thought, I would like to keep that with me and pass
08:27it on.
08:28Interesting that you were drawn to it.
08:29And no one in your family was an actor.
08:31No.
08:32But this...
08:33This was always something that fascinated me.
08:35Reading a place different from performing it.
08:37Did you read...
08:38You read these plays?
08:39I would read sections of the plays.
08:40I don't think I ever read them.
08:41And I remember auditioning for drama school and cobbling together a speech from Othello
08:47Desdemona and I kind of cobbled this speech.
08:50And I'm sure as a 16-going-on 17-year-old girl, I threw myself on the ground at the Whopper
08:55auditions and did, you know, upon my knees, what does your speech import?
08:58This kind of crazy Desdemona speech, which was so wrong.
09:01You got in.
09:02Did you get in?
09:03I did get in.
09:04You got in on the basis of this book?
09:05Possibly.
09:06Yes, actually.
09:07I guess, yeah.
09:08Did you end up playing Desdemona for real?
09:10No, I've never done Desdemona.
09:12I did do a production of Hamlet and I did pull that out when I was going to do Hamlet,
09:16just to have a quick look before I went and bought an updated version.
09:18Were you Ophelia?
09:19I was Gertrude.
09:20I know I was too old for Ophelia, sadly.
09:21Oh, so it was Hamlet's mum?
09:22I was Hamlet's mum.
09:23Now she dies, doesn't she, in that play?
09:25Oh, spoiler.
09:26Tragically.
09:27Sorry, just kidding.
09:28Tragically.
09:29Tragic death.
09:30There's a lot of death in Hamlet, yes.
09:31A lot.
09:32You know, I am an actor too.
09:33I don't know if you saw me in Sea Change.
09:35I was in Sea Change.
09:36I did.
09:37You were so good.
09:38I died, metaphorically, perhaps.
09:41But is that the first time you ever died?
09:43No, I did die.
09:44I took five gunshot wounds when my character in a show, Blue Hill, is like, she...
09:51Never saw it.
09:52Five bullets ablaze.
09:54Blaze bullets.
09:55Gertrude didn't get shot, she gets poisoned, doesn't she?
09:57Yeah, no, that's a poison.
09:58Yeah, yeah.
09:59So it was a different death.
10:00This is my chart.
10:01Look, I'd love to do...
10:02Who did you do Shakespeare with, by the way?
10:03Bill Shakespeare.
10:04That's a premiere of Shakespeare.
10:05So good.
10:06I was so out of my depth.
10:07But they were very kind.
10:08Right.
10:09They were very kind.
10:10And I loved it.
10:11Would you take up acting professionally?
10:13I would consider it.
10:15Have you done any Shakespeare's since?
10:17No, I haven't.
10:18Oh.
10:19Have you done a Shakespeare's since?
10:20I would love to do it, but this is a chance to meet her a bit of a masterclass.
10:23Would you like to see Lisa McKeown die as Gertrude?
10:25All right.
10:26The thing is with Gertrude's death is when she actually does pass, it starts happening
10:35in the background while there's a lot of talk going up in front.
10:38And so you kind of have to die in a way that you don't really outstage anybody because,
10:41you know, you feel like everyone's watching you when you die.
10:44So it's a very subtle performance.
10:45Well, I did this kind of like fall where I, fortunately it was a soft carpet and there
10:50was snow had just fallen, so it was very pretty.
10:52It was like Bambi dying in the forest.
10:55I kind of dropped to my knees and then went down.
10:58But then I had to lie there while there was a sword fight on and, you know.
11:01I mean, it was so dramatic.
11:03You don't have to get on the floor.
11:04Let's pretend it's just in the chair.
11:05Do you want to do one with him though?
11:06Will you die with me?
11:07I'll...
11:08Well, I...
11:12Can you show me how you would die and then I'll show you what I did?
11:15My favourite is Richard III.
11:17Oh, okay.
11:18He dies at Bosworth Field.
11:20Right.
11:21Shall I do it first?
11:22Shall I do it first?
11:23I don't mind who dies first.
11:24If you would like to do it, you're Richard III.
11:25This is a class.
11:26You are my teacher and I'm your student.
11:28All right.
11:29I'll have a go.
11:30I mean, it might not be great.
11:31I haven't done it in a while.
11:32What's the line?
11:33The drink, the drink, I am poisoned?
11:34I think it is.
11:35I actually can't.
11:36Can you look it up?
11:37A lot of the work will be done with the lighting, you know.
11:38Because ABC used to make drama.
11:40Yes.
11:41And they would make garbage like this.
11:44Can we dim the lights for the death scene?
11:45All right.
11:46I'll be John Bell.
11:47The drink, the drink, I am poisoned.
11:48I'm sin.
11:49I'm sin.
11:50Go.
11:52The drink.
11:53The drink.
11:54I am poisoned.
11:57Wow.
11:58Wow.
11:59Yeah.
12:00I was worried.
12:01I was worried for you.
12:02All right.
12:03Your turn.
12:04All right.
12:05Here we go.
12:06Can I have some dramatic lighting too?
12:07Is that possible?
12:08Are you going to die now?
12:09I absolutely will die.
12:10Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious summer by the sun of York, and all
12:23the clouds that lowered upon our house, in the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
12:28Grim visage war has smoothed his wrinkled front, and now instead of mounting barbed steats
12:32to fright the souls of fearful adversaries, he capers nimbly in a lady's chamber to the
12:36lascivious pleasing of a lute.
12:38But I, that am not shaped for sportive tricks, nor made to court an amorous looking-glass,
12:43I that am rudely stamped to want love's majesty to strut before a wanton ambling nymph,
12:47I that am cheated of this fair proportion, deformed, unfinished, sent before my time into this
12:52breathing world scarce half made up, and that so lamely and unfashionable the dogs bark
12:57at me as I halt by them.
12:59Why?
13:00Love forswore me in my mother's womb, and so I should not deal in her soft laws she did
13:05crop frail nature with some bribe, to shrink mine arm up like a withered shrub, to heap
13:10an envious mountain on my back, to disproportion me in every part, like to a chaos or an unkempt
13:15bare whelp that carries no impression but the damned.
13:19Sorry, what did you say?
13:34No, it's amazing isn't it?
13:35It defies any...
13:36That actually was really impressive.
13:38That's pretty good.
13:39Can you please tell me the back story of how you know that speech?
13:43I really do love that play, and I really, I really actually would like to do it.
13:48And so I was hoping, that's the only reason we had you on.
13:52I knew you knew John Bell and I thought you could mention it to him.
13:55Oh my goodness, did you learn that at university?
13:57Did you learn that last week?
13:59It was probably about 20 when I learnt it.
14:01And who has been your favourite Richard then?
14:03Oh, Olivier.
14:04You think he was...
14:05Oh, it's Olivier.
14:06When you did Gertrude though, did you go and study all the other Gertrudes and did you
14:10make decisions?
14:11Did you borrow?
14:12Did you think, I won't look at anything?
14:14I'll just make...
14:15No, I look at everything.
14:16I do look at everything.
14:17And the fantastic part about having time to actually rehearse a Shakespeare play is that
14:21you go into this world and they're such experts, Bell, and the conversations about the history
14:28of the play and the possibility, I mean, it's just endless where you go.
14:32And it's...
14:33I found it to be one of the most enjoyable experiences I had and it was a great learning experience
14:40and the words were beautiful.
14:42I mean, the words are amazing.
14:43You are moved by words.
14:44And I think that wanting to save that book may well be something not only because of its
14:49history but because of what it contains.
14:51We just don't ever want to let that go.
14:53I want to thank you so much for bringing back these items in.
14:55Oh, sure.
14:56And thank you for the Richard because that was...
14:58Wasn't it ever just like so incredible?
15:00Like, that's a party piece.
15:03Okay.
15:04Please thank Lisa McKeown for thanking me.
15:10Right now though, an important message from the current chair of the ABC board.
15:15Hello there.
15:16I hope you're enjoying the show.
15:18Welcome back.
15:19Well, like me, our second guest has spent almost half his life in Adelaide and has a
15:25parent who is Maltese.
15:27Unlike me though, he plays soccer at an elite level, is immensely successful, has a million
15:32followers on social media, he's much more handsome and one third my age.
15:36But why focus on our differences instead of what we have in common?
15:39Would you please welcome Josh Cavallo.
15:41Josh Cavallo.
15:42Josh, would you like that a little bit?
15:45Hi, this is Lisa.
15:46Hello.
15:47You would have, you would have.
15:48Oh my God.
15:49Josh, thank you.
15:50You're so good.
15:51You have a really good team.
15:56See what you've done?
15:57You've infused this young man with the spirit of acting.
15:58I'm not just a footballer or soccer player, as they say.
15:59No, no.
16:00We wouldn't call it footballers.
16:01Football is the right expression, is it?
16:02Soccer, soccer.
16:03Soccer, you think?
16:04No, it's football.
16:05Football.
16:06Football.
16:07Absolutely.
16:08All right, now, Josh, your house is on a clifftop at Henley Beach, so, about to fall
16:12into the sea.
16:13You only have enough time to leap out the window and leave the window.
16:26You only have enough time to leap out the window and take two of your prized possessions.
16:30You clutch both of them under your arms.
16:32You leap out.
16:33Would you please tell us which two items you would rescue?
16:36First one I would rescue is a photo frame of me proposing to my partner.
16:41Mm-hmm.
16:42And the second one would be a tennis racket.
16:44Tennis racket.
16:45Thank you, Alan, and this.
16:55All right, now, I don't know a lot about soccer, but this wouldn't usually be in the
17:00kit, would it?
17:01No.
17:02So where is this in your house, this tennis racket?
17:04It usually stays in the garage, but it goes from my place to my grandfather's place
17:09back in the day.
17:10Back in the day.
17:11So how old is this, by the way?
17:12It looks like a new racket to me, to my eyes.
17:14It's seen better days.
17:16I started tennis at like eight or nine, and I'm 26 now.
17:20So I don't know what the math is on that.
17:22Yeah.
17:23Were you incredible at tennis as well?
17:24Love tennis.
17:25Do you still play?
17:26No, I wish.
17:27I wish I did.
17:28Instead of soccer?
17:29Yeah.
17:30Really?
17:31Yeah.
17:32I wish I could go on and driven as a tennis player, because my mum loved tennis as well.
17:35She was quite good.
17:36So she introduced me to it.
17:38And football was kind of like the secondary thing to me.
17:41And you were actually good at tennis.
17:42So you're 10 years old.
17:43Do you know that you're good at tennis?
17:45Well, at the time, no.
17:46I just wanted to go and hit the ball.
17:49But my trainer was like, to my mum, he put me in an advanced age group for my age.
17:55So I was about 10, competing with 16 year olds.
17:58And he said, that's unheard of.
18:00And then my mum, later on, said to him that I wanted to stop to play football.
18:06And he was kind of pulling his hair out, because he was like, this kid's got talent.
18:10He's going to go far in this sport.
18:12Why would you take him out of this sport?
18:13Did you have any ambivalence about swapping from tennis to soccer?
18:17It was more because of like, on the weekends, we'd go and stay at my grandfather's place.
18:23Because a lot of the time, my parents were working with their shop.
18:27So we would get looked after by our grandparents.
18:29And I would play tennis against the wall, the brick wall in his garage that he's got.
18:35And my cousin and my brother, they would play football and soccer in the backyard.
18:39And there was just one day that kind of made me feel very left out and very jealous of that.
18:45They were playing soccer and I was playing tennis and, like, kind of kept the ball off me and, like, didn't let me join in and play.
18:52And I was young at the time.
18:53And they're older.
18:54So I kind of put the tennis racket down and picked up the football and never wanted to leave that ever since.
19:00And then everything started to be a competition with my brother and my cousin.
19:05Playing with your grandfather's shed wall is fun.
19:07Don't get me wrong.
19:08That sounds like fun, but it sounds a bit lonely.
19:11Whereas you're playing with your brother and your cousin, there's a collegiate atmosphere there.
19:15I only think I played with them because they made me upset that I wasn't being involved.
19:19Did you want to show them that you could do it?
19:20I think so, yeah.
19:21Did that drive you on to be as good as you obviously became?
19:24It paid an impact because I'm very competitive.
19:27And I was the only one in the family out of us three to go on and make it.
19:31But, yeah, it was definitely the turning point where I was like, no, I don't want to play tennis anymore.
19:35I want to do what my brother's doing.
19:37I'm going to show him that I'm better.
19:38If you had persisted with tennis, do you think you would have been playing at an elite level now?
19:42I would have loved to and I would have worked for it.
19:46So I hope so.
19:48But I was much better of a tennis player than what I am as a footballer.
19:51So we'll put it that way.
19:52Is that right?
19:53Yeah.
19:54Okay.
19:55Now your grandfather is Maltese?
19:57Yes.
19:58Did he play soccer?
19:59No, he didn't play soccer, but he was a football soccer fanatic.
20:02Yeah.
20:03When did he come to Australia?
20:04I came to Australia when he was eight years old.
20:07Your grandfather's not with us anymore, is he?
20:08No, no.
20:09Did he actually see you hit a professional level as a soccer player before you passed?
20:12Yeah.
20:13So when he got unwell, I was turning 16 years old.
20:17And I was three years into my footballing journey.
20:22And then unfortunately we lost him to leukaemia.
20:25And then two months later I scored my first professional contract.
20:28So I kind of felt like it was him from above sending a message or doing something for me.
20:34He was happy you were playing soccer?
20:35Yeah.
20:36He was happy you moved from tennis to soccer?
20:37Yeah.
20:38Every weekend we would watch the A-League together.
20:41And like to know that I've played over 50 games in that A-League.
20:45And that's the league that my grandfather idolised is just crazy.
20:49But all my footballing journey started happening when my grandfather passed away.
20:53Okay.
20:54So it's a bit crazy how it all happened.
20:56But I feel like he played a very important part in me progressing as a footballer.
21:01And me finding myself as a footballer.
21:03And this is what I wanted to do kind of thing.
21:05Yeah.
21:06I'm going to show you a picture.
21:07This is not your grandfather.
21:08We don't have a picture of your grandfather.
21:09But this is a picture of my father.
21:10Who I said is probably about the age that your grandfather would have been.
21:13This is in 1960.
21:14He's probably your age.
21:15Didn't he have colour back then?
21:16This is...
21:17No.
21:18No.
21:19But that's a multi-united top.
21:20He was playing in the second division in the Adelaide team.
21:22This is before the A-League.
21:23And he was pretty good.
21:24My mother was a very good tennis player.
21:26My question to you is how much of it is...
21:28Because I inherited nothing from either of them.
21:31And so I just wonder how much is it genetic as far as you're concerned.
21:34And how much is it hard work and opportunity and encouragement that your grandfather gave you?
21:39I think it was a lot of determination.
21:42And he would say like being a mongrel.
21:43What did that mean?
21:44My father never told me that.
21:46I don't think I'm allowed to explain that on television.
21:49Is that just...
21:50It's about toughness?
21:51It's about toughness, is it?
21:52Yeah.
21:53It's about being hard shell, hard skin.
21:54And always working for it and being like super determined.
21:57Not letting like one opinion kind of control your destination or where you want to land.
22:03Because ten will tell you no, but one will tell you yes.
22:06And you've got to find that yes somewhere.
22:07And that's what you've got to do with everything in life.
22:09And that's what I did with football.
22:10And it seemed to have worked for me.
22:12When did you realize that you could do this at an elite level?
22:16You must have discovered that you were better than your brother and you were better than your cousin.
22:19When did you start to think, you know, I'm actually pretty good.
22:23I reckon I could do this for a living.
22:25I didn't really like see it like that because my brother and cousin, like they could tell you every player's name around the world.
22:32Every football team.
22:33And I struggled to do that, to be honest.
22:35I live and breathe football.
22:37But when I'm off the field, I don't want anything to do with football.
22:40Okay.
22:41Because that's all I do 24-7.
22:42So you weren't a fan, is it?
22:44No.
22:45In terms of being an audience member.
22:46Compared to my brother, definitely not.
22:48He was the one in the family that was supposed to make it.
22:50And it did cause a lot of jealousy between me and my brother.
22:53Well, I wondered about that.
22:54How has he come to terms with that?
22:56Yeah.
22:57Now that we're older, he understands and he wishes me the absolute best.
23:00And he's my biggest supporter.
23:02But it was difficult at times because I would go further and he wouldn't.
23:06And he wants to be a footballer as well.
23:08And that was his dream.
23:09And to see that his little brother was doing that and he isn't was tough on him.
23:14But I understood that.
23:15I knew that.
23:16I'm not the type of person to rub it in his face.
23:18No.
23:19But in a weird sort of way, were it not for him teasing you and denying you?
23:23I don't know.
23:24It might have been some nice karma, but...
23:26It might be karma, but it also might have been throwing the gauntlet down for you and
23:30you were going to show him and you did show him.
23:31Yeah, yeah.
23:32So basically that little hiccup when we were at our grandfather's house determined where
23:39I headed up and what my life career was because I chucked a little na-na tantrum.
23:43So I think it's quite meaningless.
23:46But yeah, if you go back and think about it, that was definitely the change of just my
23:50brother being a bit cruel and yeah.
23:53Now that you are established as an elite football player for Adelaide United, actually you don't
23:57play for Adelaide United anymore.
23:58You finished with them, haven't you?
23:59Yeah, recently finished up with them.
24:00Okay.
24:01Are you a fan of any particular player at the moment?
24:03Somebody you think, well I'd love to play with that person at the world game, playing
24:06internationally.
24:07Is that an ambition of yours?
24:08Yeah, most certainly.
24:09And that's something that I'll be definitely trying to look at doing in the next couple of
24:14months.
24:15Are you being courted by, you don't have to tell us, I suspect you've been courted by
24:20some clubs.
24:21We've got a few clubs in the line at the moment but there's a lot that go into it.
24:25Can I ask a question?
24:26Sure for it.
24:27Do you kind of have to, when you go to one of those clubs, I know that they can watch
24:30you and watch past games, they might even send someone to watch, but do you have to
24:33kind of go and go to a field and kick the ball for them and do something?
24:37How do they decide that you're the person in their team?
24:38Do you think there might be an audition?
24:40Well like, is it like, do they chemistry test you with the other players?
24:43Like, how do they make the decision that you're going to be a right fit for their team?
24:47Yeah, that's a good question.
24:48It's kind of what, they have scouts and they have people that...
24:52Secret scouts?
24:53Do they tell you they're coming or is it all secret schools?
24:55No, secret.
24:56Yeah.
24:57Different teams look for different types of players.
24:58You've got fast players, you've got slower but smarter players.
25:01And you're the engine, because you were telling me that you play a position that's
25:04the engine.
25:05The engine, that's right.
25:06Yeah, so we keep everything core in the middle of the field.
25:09Have you...
25:10My kids have finished school.
25:11I can come with you if you need like, you know, a little bit of home.
25:14I'm really happy to come along.
25:15Sounds good.
25:16Just don't bring that coffee machine.
25:17No, I'll leave the coffee machine, I'll just come back after you.
25:20You don't have coffee?
25:21You don't want to drink coffee?
25:23I...
25:27Really?
25:28Yeah.
25:29Oh, he's given up.
25:30No, no, he has Nescafe coffee.
25:32Oh, you like the whole blend.
25:34It's okay.
25:35No, it's alright.
25:36No judgement.
25:37Whatever floats your boat, I'm really happy.
25:38No judgement.
25:39If you play football...
25:40I'm not whispering anything to you again.
25:41No.
25:42I did kind of let the cat out of the bag.
25:43Do you know what though?
25:44If that makes him play football well, then keep it going.
25:46Whatever you're doing, don't change it.
25:47Can you tell me if you're talking to any clubs?
25:49With me.
25:50I wouldn't say anything.
25:52I'd love to know too.
25:54Okay.
25:55Well, keep mum about that.
25:57Alright, can we move now to...
25:59It's kind of sports related because this is a picture of you proposing to your partner
26:03on the Adelaide United pitch.
26:05Not a big crowd there, I'm assuming that it wasn't game day.
26:08No, no, no, no.
26:09Okay.
26:10It wasn't game day.
26:11I kind of wanted to keep an intimate moment with me and my partner.
26:13It goes back to a lot of things of how I came out through the football club, because
26:18it was kind of where I found my wings, as like I intertwined football and who Joshua
26:23Cavallo was as a person.
26:25Yeah, it was a big moment for me and my partner, but it's quite funny because that
26:30photo looks quite perfect, but everything before that was an absolute mess.
26:35Oh, the moment, the leading up to the proposal?
26:37Yeah.
26:38Oh, so he wasn't in on it?
26:39It was a genuine surprise?
26:40Yeah, yeah.
26:41For your partner?
26:42So, I said to him we had a photo shoot and he, first of all, his mind blew up.
26:47He's like, I don't want to do photo shoots, I don't like cameras, like I'm not doing it.
26:51I said, no, no, it's fine, just come, come, come.
26:53And anyway, we rocked up and I needed to like find the spot on the field where I was
26:59going to kind of get on my knee and like do the proposal.
27:02So I had to send him away so I could find the position to do it.
27:07He didn't like that.
27:08He didn't like that?
27:09That didn't go down well.
27:10No.
27:11How did you get rid of him?
27:12I said, can you go get me coffee?
27:15And I wasn't able to drink it because it wasn't Nescafe either.
27:21Okay, alright.
27:22Anyway, so I sent him off and in the stadium, you can't see it in the photo, the corners
27:27are actually visible to the public so you can see from outside the gates.
27:31So I'm there on my knee like this, like practicing and I look to my right and I see him at the gate.
27:38I'm like, he better not look and see.
27:41I don't think he saw well.
27:42Till today, he still said he hasn't seen me do it but…
27:45You were practicing that moment, the bend at knee.
27:47Yeah, it was kind of cringe.
27:48Was it the practicing the moment going into it or was it just like…
27:51I don't know, I've never done it before so I was just like…
27:53So you just wanted to practice it.
27:54It was so cute.
27:55How wrong could you get it?
27:56Very wrong.
27:57So what happened was he arrived and we were talking and did like a back-to-back photo shoot
28:03and it was like all going amazing and I was like, alright, my time's coming.
28:07One, two, three…
28:08So we kind of stepped away and then like I turned around and I went on one knee
28:12and I did it and I was like, I'm killing it.
28:14It's amazing.
28:15Bang, bang, gives me his hand.
28:18What do I do?
28:19Put it on the wrong finger, on the wrong hand.
28:21And I was like, oh my god, this is an amazing thing.
28:25I'm like, this is great.
28:26And then we realised it was on the wrong finger by the photographer telling us.
28:30And I was like, oh, that's incredible.
28:32That's great.
28:33Let me just check which shot they…
28:34Let's see if it's the right one.
28:35Yeah, let's take two.
28:37That's alright.
28:38Now, when you are a celebrated person and you get married, it's a bit hard to avoid.
28:43This probably happened to you, Lisa.
28:44It's a bit hard to avoid your marriage entering the public domain.
28:47But with a proposal, it's usually a bit more private.
28:50But you obviously made a deliberate decision to make a point of it.
28:53What did you have in mind and was your partner a part of that decision?
28:56No, I was solely behind everything for the proposal and how we wanted to do it.
29:02I think, as I said before, how I discovered myself by announcing who I was at the football club,
29:08I really wanted to do it there too because it was like sharing another special moment with them.
29:13Just to say thank you for everything they've done for me.
29:16Also too, it's just kind of like a big F for you to the haters.
29:20To be the first person to come out as a gay male sports soccer player.
29:25This was just another thing that's saying like, well, I'm no different to you.
29:30You're no different to me.
29:31Gay, straight, whatever, doesn't really matter.
29:34Like, love is love.
29:35And kind of that was another example where I'm showing the world that it's okay to be who you are.
29:41And it's more for the next little Josh coming up.
29:45So I try to spread this type of love out to the world in social media to show people that not to be afraid of what one person thinks of you.
29:53And I love everything about my life right now.
29:56And I'm the cause of why that's happened.
29:59Yeah, I like to show the public as myself, Joshua Cavallo, now that I've come out, it's been four years, how happy I am from that.
30:08And that's something that kids can do as well or whoever feels that they're stuck in that space.
30:14You've had, obviously, people reach out to you and say it's made a difference to them.
30:18Yeah, definitely.
30:19I think the ones that touch me the most is like when I'm in public.
30:22Like, if I was at Woolies or if I was at a cafe and like a little kid was to come up to me and say,
30:28Hi, you're the reason why I play soccer at school.
30:32Or, you know, I came out to my parents before, like, because of your story.
30:36I saw your story online.
30:37Even people saying you saved my life and stuff like that.
30:40It's just like, it rattles me a little bit because it's just nuts how much movement this has had across the world.
30:47How do you handle the less than supportive response?
30:49I'm hopeful there isn't too much of that and I'm hopeful there's more of what you've just described.
30:54It's difficult.
30:55I have a really good support system around me.
30:58I think when I first came out, I was reading every comment and I was reading every message
31:03and I would definitely get impacted by the negative conversations or messages.
31:09There's multiple, multiple, there could be 200 plus messages a day that you get that aren't very nice and could be death threats.
31:17But as you get older, as I'm going through this journey, I understand my skin is getting very strong at this.
31:24And I know being the first in the world that this stuff is going to come your way.
31:28Yeah, so I just think that there's got to be one person that's got to do it to make the journey a little bit easier for the rest.
31:34Yeah.
31:35Apart from tennis, which you talked about wanting to do after your international soccer career,
31:39do you want to go on to coach or do you want to go on to commentator or do you want to work in the space that you've been talking about
31:43where you're helping young people come to terms with themselves?
31:46Yeah.
31:47I'm really enjoying advocating for the LGBTQ community.
31:50I love to spread that joy throughout social media and to make people tell your stories
31:56and to help guide them in the space because seeing the impact and the questions that come from people
32:02and the reach that this has from my experience, it's helping so many people.
32:07So I love to keep doing that just to make them feel like they're not alone
32:11because a lot of people feel like they're quite voiceless.
32:14So I want to, if I can help one person, it's done my job.
32:19Well, absolutely.
32:24Your grandfather seems to have imparted to you a whole bunch of very valuable life lessons.
32:29You just, I guess, represent your grandfather and your past
32:32and you are representing here what your future is starting from.
32:37When did you become engaged?
32:39Yeah, it's about going on a year and a half now.
32:42Alright.
32:43Married yet?
32:44No, not married yet.
32:45So many questions around it.
32:46Alright.
32:47Can you, can you...
32:48I promise not to tell anybody.
32:49When are you getting married?
32:50No.
32:51Okay.
32:52Well, no, I'll, you know, if nothing else, I respect the privacy of that conversation.
33:00And if you go to the website, we'll put the date up there.
33:05Thank you very much, Josh.
33:06It's been lovely talking to you.
33:07Yes.
33:08Would you please thank Josh Kavale?
33:09Thank you very much.
33:10Thank you very much.
33:12Josh.
33:13Lisa.
33:14Unfortunately, climate change is worse than what even the UN Climate Change Conference agreed
33:19in Paris.
33:20And Lisa and Josh only have enough time to rescue one of their two chosen items.
33:25You have to leave one behind, Lisa and Josh.
33:27Lisa, which one would you leave behind?
33:29The robot, coffee maker or the complete works of Shakespeare?
33:33I think after hearing Josh speak and the humanity and the emotion and the love, I'm
33:38taking the Shakespeare and I'm giving up the coffee.
33:40Okay.
33:41No coffee.
33:42Alright.
33:43Josh, it's a terrible question to put to you about which one you leave behind of these
33:48two because they're both as important as the other.
33:51You probably have a copy of that.
33:54Anyway, anyway, it's up to you.
33:57I don't want to pressure you.
33:58I think it's just wrong to get rid of my proposal.
34:02So I think the racket's got to go.
34:05It's got to go.
34:06Alright.
34:07But that's okay.
34:08Fortunately, the studio audience happen to be passing in a giant arc and can save one
34:13of the two left behind items.
34:15Applause will be registered on Anthony Green's leftover election graphics.
34:19So what would you save, ladies and gentlemen, would you save Lisa McCune's coffee machine?
34:25It's not looking good for the coffee machine.
34:28Or would you save Josh Cavallo's tennis racket, ladies and gentlemen?
34:32I love the tennis racket.
34:33Okay.
34:34Well, clearly the tennis racket is saved.
34:35It is.
34:36I'm so sorry.
34:37No, it's okay.
34:38That means that your coffee machine has to be destroyed, which according to Gail Abercrombie
34:50in Brimel Park, South Australia, she would like done using the power of my mind.
34:55Wow.
34:56Wow.
34:57It's a special effect we're putting in at the moment.
35:02Me looking around like this means that the heat rays are coming this way.
35:06That's not helpful.
35:07So I'll just move it back here.
35:08This is going to look great.
35:10There.
35:11Alright.
35:12Very good.
35:13Well, thank you very much, Gail.
35:14And thank you to our guest Lisa McCune and Josh Cavallo and the cast anchor of Gardening
35:19Australia for The Lemons.
35:20That's all next week.
35:21Keep yourself safe.
35:22Your stuff, Psycho, where next we are on the eve of destruction.
35:27Thank you, guys.
35:28That was fantastic.
35:29Let's go.
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