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00:00Your mother passed away.
00:02Yes, ma'am.
00:02She agreed to pay everything.
00:05I said, I'll loan you the money.
00:08Sorry.
00:09She contacted me.
00:10That is not why I contacted him.
00:13Sorry.
00:14Now you're getting cute with me.
00:15Sorry.
00:16This is Judy Justice.
00:30Tracy Jennings-Spencer is suing her cousin, Chris Jennings, for a loan to cover funeral costs.
00:43Court cardinal order, all rise.
00:46Have a seat, please.
00:49Hello, Judge.
00:50Case number 2009, Jenny Spencer v. Jenny.
00:54You're welcome.
00:55Ms. Spencer, are you related to Mr. Jennings?
00:58I am.
00:58How?
00:59He's my cousin.
01:00How?
01:01On our dad's side.
01:03So his father and my father, that's how we're related.
01:07How are they related?
01:08So his dad and my father are pretty close in age, but they are cousins themselves.
01:16But my dad is pretty young, so they're close.
01:20My dad and his father are close in age, so they were more like brothers.
01:23I still don't understand.
01:24My father and his father were first cousins, but I was raised by my grandparents.
01:29Okay.
01:29So that's why we're close.
01:30Okay.
01:30So your fathers were first cousins?
01:33Yes.
01:33Okay.
01:33Your mother passed away?
01:35Yes, ma'am.
01:36When?
01:36Mother's Day on 2020.
01:38Were you close to your mother?
01:39I was very close.
01:40Did you live together?
01:41I was taking care of her for eight years while she was...
01:44So you were living with her?
01:46Yes, ma'am.
01:46How old was she when she passed away?
01:4858.
01:48What did she pass away from?
01:50Her arteries had blockage.
01:51She had surgery twice, and they couldn't do a third surgery.
01:54Plus, she had three strokes.
01:56When you were taking care of your mother, was that a full-time responsibility?
01:59Full-time.
02:00She had a colostomy bag, and plus she was in a walker before she had the strokes.
02:04Was it just you and your mother living together?
02:06Yes, ma'am.
02:07Was it in her home?
02:08It was in my home.
02:09In your home?
02:10Yes, ma'am.
02:10Was that an apartment?
02:12It was a house.
02:13That you rented?
02:14Yes, ma'am.
02:15How did you and your mother support yourself?
02:17I'm an RF technician, so I worked when I could be away from home.
02:21But when she got real bad sick, when she couldn't even walk, I couldn't even work.
02:25So I couldn't even go out of town.
02:26So I work on the road a lot.
02:28And she gets a disability check, which is about $1,800, which wasn't much at all for us to survive.
02:34Are you back at work now?
02:36Yes, ma'am.
02:36Who are you working for?
02:37Myself.
02:38I'm a contractor.
02:39Extreme Communications.
02:40When your mother passed away, Mr. Jennings, are you an only child?
02:45Yes, ma'am.
02:45She passed away in the hospital?
02:47Yes, ma'am.
02:48At that time, you didn't have money for her funeral arrangements?
02:51No, ma'am.
02:52And you didn't have the funds to even take her body out of the hospital?
02:56No, ma'am.
02:56So what did you do?
02:57Well, I thought I had insurance settlement, and I was going to take care of that, because
03:01she did have two burial plots.
03:03But when we went to...
03:04Who's we?
03:04Me and Angela.
03:06Who is Angela?
03:06She's my fiancée.
03:07But when we went up there to...
03:09We've got two burial plots.
03:11When we went there to turn those in mortuary, they added on $10,000 or $15,000 to actually
03:17bury her.
03:18And I was unable to do that, because her insurance had lapsed two or three months.
03:22So you didn't have money to take care of your mother's funeral expenses?
03:25I did not.
03:26Do you want to tell me how the plaintiff got involved with that?
03:29I told Tracy exactly what...
03:31At some point, your mother passed away on Mother's Day in 2020.
03:35Yes, ma'am.
03:36Did you contact Ms. Spencer, or did she contact you?
03:39She contacted me.
03:40When?
03:41During the process of me suffering, because I didn't have the cash to front my mother's funeral.
03:46Well, you know, it's hard for me to ask the question, how did she know about that, but
03:50were there other relatives?
03:53I was posting things on Facebook, basically.
03:55Okay.
03:55So what did you post on Facebook?
03:57That I was trying to do a GoFundMe to help with my mother's funeral.
04:01And how much after she died did you post something on Facebook?
04:05Nothing much, not at all.
04:07A day, two days, five...
04:09Oh, about three or four days after.
04:11Did you see that?
04:12Is that why you contacted him?
04:14That is not why I contacted him.
04:15Okay, so why don't you tell me why, that's not what you said in your papers, so I'm curious,
04:21why did you contact him?
04:22As he said, his mother had been sick for quite some time, so her death wasn't completely
04:27unexpected.
04:29We had been following her progression on Facebook, and Chris is correct, he had been taking care
04:34of his mother.
04:35They were very close.
04:36But when the family saw on Facebook that she had passed, nothing got posted about funeral
04:43arrangements.
04:43And some of the members of my family who were not on Facebook contacted me and said...
04:49Don't tell me what they said to you.
04:51I'm sorry.
04:51So you were contacted by members of your family?
04:54Correct.
04:54That are not on Facebook.
04:56Okay.
04:56Asking about care...
04:57Don't tell me what they asked.
04:58I'm sorry.
04:59As a result of those conversations, did you contact him?
05:03Eventually.
05:03I did not contact him immediately because I just didn't feel like it was the right time.
05:08I knew...
05:08When?
05:08Is it in June?
05:09So it was right after her passing.
05:12I contacted his stepbrother and stepsister first because when I had not seen anything
05:19for three days about funeral arrangements, rather than calling Chris, who I knew would
05:24have his hands full handling matters, I actually contacted his stepbrother and stepsister and
05:30I said, do you know anything about funeral arrangements?
05:33Nobody did.
05:34And so they didn't know anything and suggested that I reach out to Chris.
05:39I said, well, I hate to do that.
05:40This is a really bad time, but I did it anyway.
05:43And so I called Chris and I said, Chris, I'm sorry to bother you.
05:46I know you're going through a lot, but some people are asking me about your mother's arrangements
05:51and I don't know what to tell them.
05:53It's been several days.
05:54Have you picked out a mortuary?
05:56And he started crying immediately.
05:59Understandably so.
06:00He said, Tracy, I'll be honest with you.
06:03I don't even have the money to get her out of the hospital.
06:06He said, it's going to cost $500 to get her out.
06:09I said, okay.
06:10And I believed without a shadow of a doubt that he truly didn't have the money because
06:16they had a very tight relationship.
06:18So there was no question in my mind if he had the $500 to get her out, he would have.
06:23I said, Chris, it's okay.
06:25I'll loan you the money.
06:26I'll call the hospital.
06:27I'll take care of it.
06:28Just calm down.
06:29And so we hung up.
06:31I called the hospital and I told them, I said, I'm not next of kin, but I'm going to take
06:36care of this matter on behalf of my cousin.
06:38So here's my credit card for $500.
06:41And the morgue told me that I couldn't pay $500, that that was only their portion of having
06:49her body released from the morgue, that they could only send her body to a funeral home.
06:55They have to send it someplace.
06:56If they were leasing it, they have to send it someplace.
06:58Correct.
06:59They said that she had been there for so long that she needed to go within the next day
07:04because they can only stay there for five days.
07:06Got it.
07:07Sorry.
07:07Okay.
07:08So they said she needs to go now.
07:10And if you don't come get her or have a funeral home come get her, we're going to have to
07:15send her to Spartanburg County and they're going to be in charge of her remains.
07:19And the next of kin is at risk of being arrested for abandonment.
07:22And so I freaked out.
07:24I called Chris back.
07:25I said, Chris, I said, it's not $500.
07:28I said, they're not going to let us get her.
07:31And do you know you're close to being arrested?
07:34And, you know, I felt really bad about that.
07:37Where do you live?
07:38Spartanburg, South Carolina.
07:40Just take a look and see if you can find out next of kin responsibility.
07:46I'm surprised that you were given that information from last, but I may be wrong.
07:50So I called Chris and I said, the morgue is not going to let us get her body without a
07:56funeral home.
07:57Do you have a funeral home picked out?
07:59And I think at that time he said he didn't.
08:01And so he made some phone calls.
08:03Chris did.
08:04And then he called me back and he said, I found a mortuary.
08:08And so the mortuary that he selected was the one that ended up taking care of her remains.
08:14And so instead of me loaning him $500 to get her released from the hospital, I ended up
08:21getting stuck with $1,500 because I had to pay the mortuary.
08:25Okay.
08:26He found a mortuary.
08:27Yes, ma'am.
08:28When you called the mortuary, did they tell you what it would cost?
08:31I didn't call the mortuary to find out anything about that.
08:35She did.
08:36She agreed to pay everything.
08:37No, just a second.
08:38I'm not getting there.
08:39Yes, ma'am.
08:39I'm not there yet.
08:40Yes, ma'am.
08:41So the question is, did you call the mortuary?
08:44I called them to see if they could take care of my mother.
08:46That's what I asked you.
08:47I said, did you call the mortuary?
08:49Yes, ma'am.
08:50And after you spoke to the mortuary, you called the plaintiff back.
08:55Sure did.
08:55Okay.
08:56When you called the mortuary and she had already told you it would be $500 to get your mother's
09:02remains from the morgue, but then you had to take her remains someplace.
09:07You couldn't take them in your car.
09:09Right.
09:09They had to go someplace.
09:11Yes, ma'am.
09:11And common sense would suggest that you would ask what their cost was, what their fee was.
09:19Mm-hmm.
09:19Mm-hmm.
09:20It's not an answer.
09:21For a cremation.
09:22For whatever.
09:22And they told you it was how much?
09:24They told me for the cremation, it was about $1,500 for a cremation.
09:28Okay.
09:28And then you called your cousin back.
09:31Yes.
09:31And let me hear the conversation as you recall it between yourself and your cousin.
09:37Okay.
09:38I called her back and told her that I didn't have the money to take care of that.
09:41She goes, don't worry about it, Chris.
09:42I'll take care of it.
09:44Okay.
09:44That's exactly what was said.
09:45Now, was that before or after you set up a GoFundMe page?
09:49That was before.
09:50So she took care of the bill?
09:52Yes.
09:53So this was five days after your mother's death?
09:56Shh.
09:57Yeah.
09:58You said it was after.
09:59Mm-hmm.
10:00Now, so it was five or six days before your mother's body was taken to the funeral home for the purposes of cremation.
10:06How many days after that did you start a GoFundMe page?
10:10A couple days.
10:11Two days.
10:12And what was the language in the GoFundMe page?
10:15To help take care of my mother's funeral.
10:17Well.
10:18Inexperable.
10:19Well, shh, Mr. Jennings, if what you just said to me previously was, read back to me, Whitney, what Mr. Jennings said about the conversation that he had with her.
10:31It started with, don't worry about it.
10:34He said, okay, I called her back and told her that I didn't have the money to take care of that.
10:38She said, don't worry about it, Chris.
10:40I'll take care of it.
10:41That's exactly what was said.
10:42Okay, good.
10:43So if she said she would take care of it, why would you post an outcry for money from strangers to bury your mother?
10:51To go during the process of getting that money is exactly what was said.
10:55No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
10:57Let's follow what you said, Mr. Jennings.
11:00What you told me was that you had the conversation.
11:04Mm-hmm.
11:04She took care of the bill.
11:06Two or three days later, you started a GoFundMe page for your mother's funeral expenses.
11:12Is that not what he said?
11:14Yes.
11:15If it was a gift to you, I'm not understanding why you would start a GoFundMe page.
11:22It's because it wasn't taken care of within two or three days, ma'am.
11:26What do you mean it wasn't taken care of?
11:27She didn't pay the bill within two or three days is the thing.
11:31That's the reason I did that.
11:32Well, they wouldn't release the body unless they got paid with a credit card.
11:38I understand that, but I was trying to have a backup.
11:39Just a second.
11:40A backup for what?
11:42Just in case you didn't follow through.
11:43Hey, Mr. Jennings, now you're getting cute with me.
11:46No, ma'am.
11:46Now you're getting cute with me.
11:49And later today...
11:50He said to you...
11:51I need to borrow $2,300.
11:54And you said to him...
11:55Why can't you ask anybody else?
11:58And he said to you...
11:59His girlfriend's father, if he were to ask him, he would pry and find out that he was addicted to cocaine.
12:06Tracy Jennings Spencer says her cousin, Chris Jennings, owes for a loan to cover his mother's funeral costs.
12:24Chris claims it was a gift.
12:27Now, the plaintiff had to give the hospital her credit card.
12:31Is that correct?
12:32Yes, ma'am.
12:32So, before they released the body, which they had to do within a day, they had her credit card.
12:39And it wasn't until after that that you started a GoFundMe page.
12:44Okay.
12:45And don't raise your hand.
12:48And how much money did you receive from this GoFundMe page?
12:52Like $200.
12:53Okay.
12:54And you received $200 within what period of time?
12:57Within probably three weeks.
12:59How much of that $200 did you give to Ms. Spencer?
13:03Zero.
13:03And your total cost was $1,500.
13:06Is that correct?
13:06Judgment for the plaintiff in the amount of $1,500.
13:09This court is adjourned.
13:13Well, I'm very pleased that she saw what really did happen.
13:17I think everything went exactly as planned.
13:19I tried to step up in a time of desperation and an emergency situation and look where it
13:25got me.
13:26Everything's fine.
13:27I think we'll be able to move past.
13:29I mean, at the end of the day, he's still my cousin.
13:32He's still my blood and I'm always going to love him.
13:34I actually didn't need the answer to that question that I threw out at you with regard to whether
13:40a child is responsible for the remains of their parent because it was just clear, you
13:45know, when you get them to do a timeline for you.
13:48A lot of stuff unravels.
13:49It all unraveled because what was the reason for starting a GoFundMe page if, as he alleged
13:57in his answer, she volunteered to pay for the funeral unless he felt an obligation.
14:02Now, the obligation had to be as a result of that conversation that he would start a
14:06GoFundMe page.
14:08Anyway, unfortunate that she seemed like a very nice lady, very responsible, and she
14:12was very caring towards him.
14:13Shouldn't have ended up here.
14:15Case number 2010, Hickman v. Vensloff.
14:17All parties, please step forward.
14:20Vanessa Hickman is suing her trainer, Dylan Vensloff, for an unpaid loan.
14:26Ms. Hickman, your case is relatively simple.
14:28You claim that you made a loan to the defendant, who was your personal trainer, when he said
14:33he was in a financial bind and he needed rent money and he made the loan.
14:37And he paid some.
14:39His wife paid some.
14:40Correct.
14:41He made a couple of payments, but there is still a substantial balance.
14:45Correct.
14:45Mr. Zensloff said that this was not a loan, but prepayment for his training services and
14:52that you sort of backed out of the training slash nutrition program.
14:56So that's your problem.
14:58You lose your money.
14:59That's your defense, right?
15:01Yes.
15:01Just curious, before I get started with this case, how much do you get per hour for personal
15:07training?
15:08No, don't look over there.
15:09I want you to know that I know all about this.
15:13Everybody that I know except me has a personal trainer.
15:16I work out every day.
15:18I don't take instruction well, so I don't have a personal trainer.
15:21I have a husband who had a personal trainer.
15:23All my friends have personal trainers.
15:25So now I want you to answer my question.
15:27Unless there's something extraordinary about you, which there is not.
15:31How much do you get per hour for personal training?
15:34$75.
15:35That's a reasonable figure.
15:37Just informational purposes.
15:39How much money did you take from Ms. Hickman?
15:42How much money did I take?
15:43Yes.
15:44How much money did you take from me?
15:45I haven't decided what it's for, but money exchanged between you, she has proof of how
15:50much it was, and you.
15:52How much money?
15:53I believe it was $2,300.
15:55Is that right?
15:56Correct.
15:56And on what date did she give you $2,300?
16:00I believe sometime at the end of last year, or it was close to the beginning of this year,
16:05somewhere along that time.
16:06Date?
16:06November 22nd, 2021.
16:08And at that time, how long had you been training her?
16:11Since when?
16:12When did you start with her as a client?
16:14I think like the beginning of summer last year, so I'd say-
16:17Date?
16:18July, 2021.
16:19Beginning, middle, or end?
16:21Beginning.
16:21July, August, September, October.
16:24So you had been training her for four months?
16:27Yes, ma'am.
16:27Up until November 22nd, how much money had she given you for training?
16:32Did she pay you by the week?
16:34Did she pay you by the month?
16:35How did she pay you?
16:36Up front, first, monthly.
16:38Okay, in July?
16:39Yep.
16:40Not yup.
16:40That's not yup.
16:41Yes, ma'am.
16:41You say to your friends or to your wife.
16:43So in July, when you started, she gave you how much?
16:47$500.
16:48For the month of July?
16:50Yes, ma'am.
16:50The month of August, how much did she give you?
16:53$500.
16:53Is that correct?
16:54Correct.
16:55September?
16:56Same amount, ma'am.
16:57$500.
16:58October?
16:58Same amount.
16:59November?
17:00Same amount.
17:01The beginning of November?
17:02Yeah.
17:03Well, actually-
17:04Yeah is not an answer.
17:05The beginning of November, did she give you $500?
17:07No, because that's when we had the agreement.
17:09No, no, no.
17:09Don't give me agreement nonsense.
17:11The beginning of July, she gave you $500.
17:13Yep, yep.
17:14Beginning of August, she gave you $500.
17:17Beginning of September-
17:18Yes.
17:18She gave you $500.
17:20The beginning of October, she gave you $500.
17:23How much did she give you in the beginning of November?
17:26This $2,300 was not paid until November 22nd.
17:30How much did she give you the beginning of November?
17:33Then it must have been $500.
17:34Is that correct?
17:35Correct.
17:35So now she has given you $2,500 for five months.
17:41She's given you $2,500.
17:43Yes, ma'am.
17:44Great.
17:45Now I want you to tell me what happened in November, after you gave them the $2,500.
17:50So we agreed to $100 monthly payments.
17:53This is in November?
17:54November, after we signed the agreement.
17:56What agreement?
17:57The agreement was-
17:58No, I want to see the agreement.
18:00Don't tell me what it was.
18:00I'd like to see it.
18:12Who wrote this?
18:13I did.
18:14Well, I don't actually understand it.
18:16It says, I, Mr. Vensloff, hereby accept $2,300 from my client, Vanessa Hickman, in trade and paid in advance for training.
18:27This will cover meal plans, planned workouts, in-person training, check-ins and virtual check-ins from November 22nd, 2021 to May 15th.
18:39Or one month of training and payment plans of no less than $100 a month starting 12-22-21.
18:49I agree to pay back the full amount in 12 months.
18:53I actually don't understand what that means, because you agreed to pay back the full amount in 12 months by paying her no less than $100 a month starting December 2021.
19:07First part says you're accepting this $2,300 from your client in trade and paid in advance for training, but that you will pay her $100 a month and be finished paying her in 12 months by 11-22-2022.
19:21Okay.
19:22So you wrote this up.
19:24Yes.
19:25I don't understand it, because it doesn't make sense.
19:28Of course.
19:28So there had to be a reason why you picked this $2,300.
19:33He's been training you July, August, September, October, and November.
19:36You paid him $500 each month, or about $120 a week.
19:41And all of a sudden, there's a $2,300.
19:43What?
19:44Is there something that I said funny?
19:48All of a sudden, there's $2,300.
19:49Tell me how the $2,300 came about.
19:53So over the course of those months, we became good friends.
19:56I see him three times a week.
19:57We get to know each other, talk, open up.
19:59We're very friendly with each other.
20:01He opened up about me, about having financial hardships.
20:04No, he'd opened up.
20:06He said to you.
20:07Yeah, he said to me, I need to borrow $2,300.
20:11And you said to him?
20:12Why can't you ask anybody else?
20:15And he said to you?
20:16His girlfriend's father, if he were to ask him, he would pry and find out that he was addicted to cocaine.
20:23That's what he told you?
20:24Correct.
20:25And what did you say to him?
20:26Oh, okay.
20:27So if I give you this money, we're going to write an agreement to cover me in case you don't pay me back.
20:34And what did he say?
20:35Okay, and that day on November 22nd, we wrote out the agreement.
20:39No, you wrote the agreement.
20:40Absolutely.
20:41I wrote it down, and he gave me a photo of his driver's license that day, and...
20:46You have a copy of that driver's license?
20:47I do have a photo in my phone, yes.
20:49I'd like to see it.
20:50Of course.
20:55So you were working, and he was working.
20:57He was making money.
20:58So if you're the wife, you say, what do you mean?
21:00We need money for rent.
21:01I'm working.
21:02You're working.
21:03What's it all about?
21:03Did you know he had a drug problem?
21:17Vanessa Hickman claims her trainer, Dylan Vensloff, owes for an unpaid loan.
21:23Dylan says it was a trade agreement and not a loan.
21:26Okay.
21:27Mr. Vensloff, understanding what I said to you before, that everybody that I know has a trainer.
21:33Everybody, except me.
21:36Nobody that I know has the driver's license of their trainer.
21:40Nobody.
21:41And I'm very old.
21:43Now, can you give me a logical reason why the plaintiff would have a copy of your driver's
21:48license in her phone?
21:49To make sure that the trade agreement stays.
21:51What's the trade agreement?
21:52The trade agreement was that she was going to give me the money, and I was going to...
21:57Just a second.
21:57Let's go back for a second.
21:59Yeah, no problem.
21:59So what she says, in part, was accurate.
22:03Is that what you're telling me?
22:04In part.
22:04That you became friends.
22:06You would talk to her.
22:08You had a girlfriend.
22:09You knew he had a girlfriend.
22:11Correct.
22:12You asked her for money?
22:14Yes, ma'am.
22:14Different amount of money, because you were in financial difficulty?
22:18Yes, ma'am.
22:19And that she asked you, why couldn't you ask your girlfriend's father?
22:23Because she evidently knew that, based upon the fact that you were friends, that you're
22:27the wife, girlfriend, whatever, your father has money?
22:30Yes.
22:30Okay.
22:31Why couldn't you ask the girlfriend's father?
22:33Right?
22:33Yes.
22:34She asked you that question?
22:35Yes.
22:35And did you say to her, because I didn't want him to pry?
22:39Yes.
22:39Because I have a cocaine habit?
22:42Yes, ma'am.
22:42Okay.
22:43And so she gave you the $2,300?
22:46Yep.
22:46Not yup?
22:47Yes, ma'am.
22:48Sorry.
22:48Perfect.
22:49And that was on the 22nd of November of last year.
22:53After she gave you that money, and you were supposed to, according to this agreement,
22:57make $100 a month payments to her.
23:01That's what it says.
23:03Yeah, if I was unavailable.
23:04No, it doesn't say, there's nothing here that says unavailable.
23:07Well, it's like-
23:07There's nothing, that's why I don't understand this agreement.
23:11Yeah.
23:11You see, not yet.
23:12That's why I don't understand this agreement, because one talks about training and workouts,
23:16and one talks about you agreeing to pay her back within 12 months at no less than $100
23:22a month.
23:23So it doesn't make any sense.
23:24So now I have to figure out what it was that really happened.
23:28Do you understand?
23:28Yes, ma'am.
23:29Okay, so this paper says something about $100 a month.
23:35Now, did you ever give her $100 a month?
23:39Yes, first $100 a month.
23:40In what months did you give her $100 a month?
23:43I think it was the first three months.
23:45And you gave it to her how?
23:46Via Venmo.
23:47Did he give you the first three months?
23:49He gave me the last two months, and his wife paid me the first month.
23:53That would be you?
23:54Yes.
23:55Stand up, please.
23:58Tell me your last name.
24:00Vensloff.
24:00When did you find out that your husband had taken money from the plaintiff?
24:03When she had sent me a message on Instagram asking for me to send her money that he was
24:09late on a payment.
24:10And that was in what month?
24:12I believe mid-January she messaged me.
24:14January of 2022?
24:16Correct.
24:16And up until that time, your husband had not told you that he took money from the plaintiff?
24:21That's an easy question.
24:23I don't believe so, no.
24:24He had not.
24:25Well, that's what it sounded like.
24:26You didn't know about it because the first you heard about it was when she sent you a
24:29message.
24:30So he had not told you that he took money from her before.
24:34Now, when you found out you had confronted him about this, did you take money from the
24:38plaintiff?
24:39I did.
24:39And what did he tell you?
24:40He told me that he had to pay for rent that month.
24:43Were you living together?
24:44We were already married.
24:45Were you working?
24:46I was.
24:47So you were working.
24:47And he was working.
24:48He was making money.
24:49So if you're the wife, you say, what do you mean?
24:51We need money for rent.
24:53I'm working.
24:53You're working.
24:54What's it all about?
24:55Did you know he had a drug problem?
24:57That was when I found out.
24:58Okay.
24:59Well, that's a fair question.
25:00I like the honesty.
25:01Did you have discussions with him about that?
25:03Yes.
25:04Did he go into rehab?
25:05Yes.
25:05Great.
25:06When did he go into rehab?
25:07He went for a week in December into a detox, and then he went for a month this last June,
25:13I believe.
25:13Because he had a relapse?
25:15Yes.
25:15How long was it in June?
25:1730 days.
25:17During December and June, had he ever been arrested?
25:20No.
25:20So he did this voluntarily?
25:22Yes.
25:23Good for you.
25:25Take a breath.
25:27All fine.
25:28Your husband owes her $1,800.
25:29That's what she's suing for.
25:31That's what he owes her.
25:32He knows he owes her that money.
25:33She was doing a good thing.
25:35She was being kind to him.
25:36And probably, ultimately, if he stays clean, saved his life.
25:41Reasonable, you know, because but for that, you wouldn't have found out.
25:44You wouldn't have forced him to take some action.
25:46Is that what happened?
25:47Yes.
25:48Do you have a drug problem?
25:50I don't know.
25:51Does your father still not like him?
25:52They're best friends.
25:54They're best friends?
25:55Yes.
25:55Interesting.
25:56I'm absolutely shocked.
25:57Judgment for the plaintiff in the amount of $1,800.
26:00We're finished.
26:01This court is adjourned.
26:02I thought that she handled it very well.
26:07I didn't need to go over all the details.
26:10She did that all for me.
26:11Honestly, you know, it was a trade agreement, which it clearly states in the first part,
26:14you know, so I had the entire year.
26:16I don't think that he could have sent me the payments.
26:21I had to keep.
26:22To either pay her back or train her.
26:24And she served me before the contract was even up.
26:26Prying and messaging him for it.
26:28I think court was where it needed to be settled.
26:31All she wanted was the money back, but I told her I was completely available.
26:34Then she moved out of the area.
26:36He's a great trainer.
26:37Absolutely amazing trainer, hands down.
26:40Borrowing money, not the smartest decision.
26:43Well, I think he could have handled the situation differently, but I don't, I think he was trying
26:47to do his best to get us out of a sticky situation.
26:50You know, I think it's about time to find someone else.
26:52I remember my law school days, Sarah.
26:58Not clearly, but I remember my law school days.
27:01And you know how important it is, I always say, you should have a writing.
27:04But you're supposed to have a writing that's clear.
27:07And I know that there's a rule of law that if a contract or an agreement is ambiguous,
27:13that a third party can't figure out, fact finder can't figure out what the intent of the parties
27:18was.
27:18Was it a training agreement, which is what he said, which is a lot of baloney?
27:22Was it a loan that you're allowed to go beyond that contract?
27:27So your experience in law school is much closer.
27:30I did just study this.
27:31So it's true that if a fully integrated agreement, meaning that it's clear, the meeting of the
27:37minds between parties is clear to a third party fact finder, then usually outside evidence
27:42is not allowed because you clearly have what the meeting of the minds of the parties was.
27:46However, in a case like this, when it's more ambiguous or the terms are ambiguous or you're
27:51not quite clear what the meeting of the minds was for, a loan, like you said, or training,
27:56you're allowed to bring in outside evidence to gap fill those sort of ambiguous terms.
28:01And to figure out what the intent of the parties was.
28:03Exactly.
28:04So for that exact reason.
28:06But I can appreciate that she had enough wherewithal to know that she should have something
28:10written.
28:11Maybe next time she'll make it just a little clearer for a judge.
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