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00:00in order to destroy our people you got to take away their humanity it was not all the storm

00:13they didn't care whatsoever about getting us out of here because it should never have taken that

00:22long but they were more worried about something else I hate to say it can't protect our property

00:30and I don't understand why they're not being even harder when law enforcement is present order is

00:35expected without it terror and mayhem can ensue I need reinforcements I need troops man thousands

00:45of newly arrived guardsmen have been ordered to take the city back from armed looters they

00:51said that New Orleans was out of control ruled by thugs when they came down there that's all

00:58they found is some hard-working God-fearing people that just happened to be poor is martial law in

01:06effect there I don't know why that isn't in effect well martial law is something to shoot

01:10looters on site states Congress well the martial law comes from the United States Congress it is a

01:16complicated process would you request martial law I've already called for martial law in the city

01:22of New Orleans

01:23the breaking news of this hour the mayor of New Orleans redeploying 1500 city police tonight he

01:41says taking them off the search for survivors putting them instead on the search for looters

01:46I was in the Hyatt Hotel along with the rest of the executive staff of the mayor it was at that point

01:56that police chief compass came into the room where the mayor and I were he said I've got a problem so

02:04the room cleared out and the police chief said last night one of our officers was just shot in the

02:11head New Orleans police officer Kevin Thomas stopped four suspicious men at the Chevron in the city's West

02:17Bank three cooperated but when he went to frisk the fourth a bullet from a 45 ripped through his head

02:24this savage attack that almost took his life you had situation where people actually shooting at the

02:30police whether in the case of Kevin Thomas where he actually got shot in the head

02:35chief compass knew the officer and he became very emotional that's when the mayor responded to the

02:43police chief and said you do whatever you need to do to get this back under control tonight in a rare move

02:52practically unheard of in the United States martial law declared I told my officers the rules of

03:01engagement are still in effect we are not shooting looters I am not condoned in the use of deadly force

03:07except if your life is in danger I was adamant about that but of one man in one place this was a

03:18city-wide disaster you know and I couldn't be in the minds of 1,300 police I still say today we

03:28didn't have a crime problem doing Katrina we had an evacuation problem we had a command and control

03:32issue we had logistic issues we had transportation issues to get people out as quick as we could but it

03:39wasn't a crime problem but boy we got a lot of troops and police on the street we are ready nobody's

03:45gonna loot this town when you got all these old people in the building over here fucking dying

03:49hello there are still an awful lot of problems on the ground there are still perhaps thousands of

03:57people who are trapped in flooded homes rescue workers have to get out and they have to get to

04:01them and bring them back because by this point they've got to be running out of food and water

04:06good morning critical hours ahead in New Orleans rescue teams getting back to work in the aftermath of

04:14Hurricane Katrina they're trying to save people trapped in their homes since the storm hit it was

04:21all about life-saving that's it to know that you are actually the exact right person for the job and

04:30that you have the perfect training for it it means it's go time but we started to hear that civilians

04:39were shooting at the helicopters so we were in the middle of hoisting a bunch of people and we only

04:47had like six people in the helicopter and they just dropped the bare hook without a rescue device so I

04:53knew that was just for me so I clipped in and went up and then they just shut the door and I was like

04:59what's going on like we hit we got a basically an empty plane and uh they're like a helicopter crashed

05:05and I was like oh my god the story was that there was a SWAT police van that had been taken over by

05:13civilians and that they were shooting at the helicopters they stopped all rescue operations and

05:20everybody had to land at the Coast Guard air station I got the call from the White House and said the

05:30boss want to know are there snipers in New Orleans because if they are he would airdrop the 82nd

05:35Airborne in I said there's no snipers in New Orleans what people are doing is they're shooting to try to

05:40get attention they said okay but if they prove to be there we're going to send federal troops and

05:46federalize the entire operation that would have been a big deal that would have put a large contingent

05:51of federal troops in charge of enforcing the law against the people of New Orleans we did not need

05:58that there wasn't an uprising that needed to be suppressed there were people who needed to be

06:06helped an active force needed to handle the humanitarian side of the disaster so now we

06:18were back at the Coast Guard air station and we were like oh my god who is it who is it that crashed

06:23and then found out it was us my helicopter in particular they thought had crashed or got shot at

06:34because nobody had heard from us for hours but once we realized that we were the so-called missing party

06:43then word got back to you know the powers that be but it took them a while basically our whole fleet

06:53and not just us it was you know other branches and stuff were grounded for that time period when

06:58they thought a helicopter had crashed and I had the radio on and I was just listening to everything

07:04going on and I was just like oh my god we're not gonna get them all yeah it's like we're not gonna get

07:13them all

07:19so we were chump and a bit because we were but I felt like we were wasting time so what I found

07:27actually insulting was the stuff about how there wasn't enough done because of race when that was the

07:35opposite for us but I know that's not true for everybody my personal experience was that there

07:42were helicopters out there but they were flying more going to us the Lakeview area Lakeview is in the

07:52flowing area with very nice houses people of higher income and when you are in the water in harm's way

08:01and a helicopter is just passing over you constantly going and you know where

08:06that wasn't fair

08:13that's why I worked on fishing boats trying to get people out of attics out of harm's way

08:27so the storm hit Sunday and this was Thursday and we felt as if the help was coming but we were

08:36having a hard time understanding why it wasn't there yet we did not know that help was being stopped we

08:44still had a lot of people on rooftops needing to be rescued but we knew there would be people who said

08:51I've got a boat I'm getting out on the water and I'm saving whoever I can and that's all we had for

08:59quite a while every day we follow the same path with the boat and every house had water up to the roof

09:08every house you had people who were trapped in the attic but the tense heat of the day was overwhelming

09:25back up ball boy back up back up

09:29we got him

09:33I hear somebody else

09:36yo

09:38you see there's a difference in a cry for help and a wailing I've heard both

09:51and uh you realize that help really isn't on the way

09:57I got you madam right here just hold on you gonna be all right

10:07I saw Eric doing his thing and he saw me and as I was passed and I was like oh look that's Eric

10:14and Eric look oh look that's John it was like hey buddy I can't turn around and chit chat with you

10:20I got to go but nah it was good to see I couldn't see him do anything different though

10:25John Kelly I can't say enough about that brother he's he could do it all

10:31I lived in American can apartments used to be a cannery

10:38so after the hurricane hit and the flood we went door to door so many people rolled to the door in their wheelchairs

10:46and when I closed the door I looked at my cousin Chris I said man these people are in trouble

10:51when we don't have any elevators these people are going to die in their apartments

10:58I said we got to get them out of here

11:01everybody on top of the rooftop American can apartment

11:06I had 170 people in the build

11:08people were still coming to the build

11:10say hello

11:11so they went to the roof

11:15so I went and I got the fire extinguishers

11:17you know the ones with the parlor inside of them

11:20and I sprayed out DRP MREs H2O

11:25that was acronyms that we use in the military so it's just a little quicker

11:31the helicopter would fly over us and read the little thing and fly over

11:34they're like oh they come and get us

11:37but then they flew over me for a couple days reading my sign on the roof

11:39and they wasn't trying to do anything

11:42but I saw him rescue all the white people at the building behind the American can

11:46I said man let me hopefully I'm not right

11:48but let's get all the black people off the roof

11:52all the white people in the wheelchairs on the top of the roof

11:56I said I hope I'm not right 15 minutes later gave me whatever I need

11:5915 minutes

12:01I said man I got 60 elderly right now

12:09if we don't get them out here

12:10there's going to be a morgan

12:11so they lifted off the roof

12:14the people were able to walk around or whatever

12:18I shuttled them to the bayou where the helicopters were picking people up

12:22I didn't do it by myself

12:25I had 12 people that helped me get all this together

12:27and I didn't know I was going to have to like organize this rescue and make it happen

12:33but I wound up evacuating and helping 244 people get rescued out the American can

12:40but when you're in America

12:44and this is supposed to be the greatest country on the planet

12:47and I'm watching how they're treating their citizens

12:51and how they're not worrying about their citizens

12:53like they're like second class citizens

12:55man it was appalling

12:57after all the stuff I did for this country

12:59and

13:01for them not to give you food and water

13:03because you're black on the roof

13:05man that's a hard pill to swallow

13:07people still inside the superdome and the situation there is getting very

13:1823,000 according to the federal authorities

13:2023,000

13:20even as officials work to clear the superdome and pick up survivors from the interstates

13:24there are new problems

13:26the real hell on earth in New Orleans this morning was here at the convention center

13:31one of the official evacuation sites

13:34but there are no buses here and there's no sign they're coming soon

13:37state and local officials are pointing the finger at Washington and vice versa

13:41I just want to know why they don't bring me buses on and take me people out of here

13:44New Orleans mayor issued an urgent SOS on Thursday

13:47for storm victims trapped at the convention center

13:50supplies there are running out

13:52we go baby out here

13:53they don't have no formula

13:55no water

13:56and they want us to survive out here

13:58where's FEMA?

13:59where's the mayor?

14:09somehow the state and government

14:12hadn't exposed the fact that when the focus was on the superdome

14:16we had an equal number of people at the convention center

14:18we had a crew in the air we were showing live pictures of the people outside of the convention center

14:23we're feeding those people

14:25that was standing outside

14:26we first learned at the convention center

14:27we being the federal government today

14:29I've heard you say during the course of this evening on a number of interviews

14:32you just found out about it today

14:34don't you guys watch television?

14:35don't you guys listen to the radio?

14:37how is it possible that you're not

14:39that we're getting better intel than you're getting?

14:41we had a crew in the air

14:43we were showing live pictures of the people outside of the convention center

14:47we're feeding those people in the convention center

14:49but it begs the question

14:50why are you discovering this now?

14:52it's five days that FEMA's been on the ground

14:54the head of police says it's been five days that FEMA's been there

14:58I believe a lot of people outside of the city

15:01probably combined the convention center and the superdome into one building

15:06just not knowing

15:08those two terms together

15:13people outside of the city saw that as one place

15:18you know with all due respect

15:19the people in the convention center are being fed

15:21the people in the bridges are being

15:23with all due respect sir

15:24the people in the convention center are not being fed

15:28our reporters

15:29the people in the superdome

15:31I'm sorry you're absolutely correct

15:32we're getting the supplies to the convention center now

15:35we found out much later that as we were telling people in the federal government

15:42that in the superdome they have food and they have water

15:47at the same time in the convention center there was no food

15:51there was no water

15:52we're finding food wherever we can

15:54I just finished serving the old folks as best I could for what we had

16:00I hadn't ate

16:02I hadn't ate in like three days

16:04you know we're all out there

16:06the whole day didn't pass by

16:07all the hot sun

16:08we're out there in the hot sun all day

16:10the sun beaming

16:11this is a federal disaster not a local one

16:14first let me tell you there have been deliveries of food, water and medical supplies to the superdome

16:19and that's happened almost from the very beginning

16:21but this is the convention center

16:22I have not heard a report of thousands of people in the convention center who don't have food and water

16:28no food, no water

16:30people in here are dying from the 1980s

16:34I can't stand it here anymore, I can't stand it, I don't ever want to go back here anymore

16:47when the police chief was telling me at the convention center

16:51hey we got all these thugs down there

16:53what are you talking about

16:54they say oh they're arresting, they're fighting with my cops down there

16:58we need more troops in here to help control them

17:02we need more police

17:04so I went down there and they were just like the people at the superdome

17:08waiting for somebody to tell them how they were going to evacuate

17:13these people haven't seen security here at the convention center for four days

17:17the fear was that they would turn violent, that they would attack supplies and buffers

17:22and look at them

17:23they're sitting peacefully, they're just waiting for a ride

17:26that's taking too long to drive

17:29I call that the patience of the poor

17:31I grew up that way

17:33you learn to wait

17:36when you're poor in America, you're not free

17:40and when you're poor, you learn to have patience

17:44you lose choices when you're poor

17:47yeah, you don't pick where your kids go to school

17:49you don't pick where you live

17:50and you don't pick where you go to the doctor

17:53if you can get to see one

17:57so many of these people, almost all of them that we see

18:00are so poor and they are so black

18:03and this is going to raise lots of questions

18:05for people who are watching this story unfold

18:09we didn't have no protection out there, you know

18:13but for some reason, everybody was kind of calm because of the crisis

18:18they knew what was going on

18:20they knew right now, this is the time for survival

18:23one thing about the poor people from New Orleans

18:25we knew how to survive

18:28if anything else, we knew how to survive

18:30we knew how to eat

18:31we knew how to get food

18:33we knew how to work

18:36but we can't survive in water

18:38and we cannot survive in water that's over our head

18:41you know what I mean?

18:42we, you know, y'all got us with that

18:47over 4,000 National Guard troops were operating in New Orleans today

18:51more arrived in armored vehicles

18:53another 12,000 have been ordered to the region

18:56in simplest of terms

18:58exaggerating conditions on the ground

19:00just makes things worse

19:01we believe that we need to free up the National Guard

19:04essentially to do security in the city

19:09I think probably the mission that came through the loudest

19:11was it's really messed up down there

19:13and you need to go help fix it

19:15and that's probably not the right mindset

19:17of people who should arrive here should have

19:30after we got to the Superdome

19:34we were greeted by the National Guard

19:37and the National Guard wanted to search my daughter, my niece

19:41they wanted to go inside their bras and their underwear

19:46and search this 2-year-old baby

19:48and go inside of her pamper

19:50to see if we had any weapons to go inside the Superdome

19:53and then told me I couldn't bring my dog

19:59so I walked down to the Hyatt

20:02and the clerk at the desk

20:05I was like, here's my credit card

20:07can we just get a room?

20:09just one room

20:11she said, no ma'am

20:12the computers are down

20:14we're on auxiliary, electricity

20:17but you can stay

20:19and they said, anyone with pets

20:21y'all have to go to like the third floor

20:24I think it was, to the ballroom in the third floor

20:27I just had surgery

20:29and I had forgotten my medicine

20:32so by now it's like hours

20:34since I've taken a pain pill or anything

20:37and I'm in severe pain

20:38I'm trying not to show it

20:39I'm trying to be strong for them

20:41but I'm sweating

20:43and I'm shaking

20:44and I'm cold

20:45and I'm hurting

20:47and my daughter and my niece

20:51left

20:53left the hotel

20:55and went to

20:57I think they said they went to Walgreens or something

20:59and so they came back

21:00with like this big Santa Claus bag full of shampoos

21:05and Tylenol

21:07and they were all excited

21:08and they got this bag

21:09mom, we got you some medicine, mom

21:11you gonna be okay, mom

21:14we went looting

21:15I was like, oh my god

21:18you guys could have been killed

21:19y'all could have been shot

21:23then they boarded up the hotel

21:25and they weren't letting anybody else in

21:27and they were, you know, telling us

21:30that we had to

21:32act accordingly

21:34and this guy

21:36was knocking on the door

21:38and he kept saying, you know

21:41let me in, let me in

21:42I was already in there

21:43let me in

21:45and the National Guard was saying

21:46sir, do not advance

21:48we can't let you in here

21:49sir, do not advance

21:52so we had all of this

21:54and I'm like, scared to dead

21:57half of the time

21:58we got the military

21:59walking around

22:00pointing guns

22:01making folks

22:02go to sleep

22:03lay down, move here

22:04move there

22:05you know

22:06hurry up, hurry up

22:07I said move now

22:08pointing guns at you

22:09and you're like

22:10okay

22:17it was a lot

22:18it was a lot

22:19it kept you so defensive

22:21that your body

22:22ate

22:23from

22:24you know

22:25just wondering

22:26what next

22:27what next

22:28you know

22:29I know something else is going to happen

22:30what next

22:35Governor Blanco

22:36talked to some of her guys

22:37from the National Guard

22:39and she went out

22:40and did a press conference

22:41and said

22:42I have one message

22:43for these

22:45for these hoodlums

22:47these troops

22:48know how to shoot

22:49and kill

22:50and they are more than willing

22:52to do so

22:53if necessary

22:54and I expect

22:55they will

22:56when I said

22:57Governor

22:58you don't want to tell your troops

22:59to shoot people

23:00to kill

23:02that's your people

23:05oh General

23:07man please

23:08that's not something

23:09you ever want to do

23:10by any government elected

23:11official

23:12is to tell their troops

23:13to shoot civilians

23:15that

23:17that will flip

23:18our democracy

23:21we saw what happened

23:22at Kent State

23:24when troops over

23:25some bullshit mission

23:26went out there

23:27and shot students

23:28on the campus

23:29I didn't want to be

23:30any part of a operation

23:31where troops thought

23:32they had cart blank

23:33to shoot people

23:38it took four days

23:39but the National Guard

23:40finally rolled a relief convoy

23:42into downtown New Orleans

23:43today

23:44our job was to protect

23:45people

23:46and evacuate them

23:47that was the priority

23:51not protect some

23:52store

23:53or protect property

23:55what is justified

23:56what's not

23:57I think there ought to be

23:58zero tolerance

23:59of people breaking the law

24:00during an emergency

24:01such as this

24:02and we're struggling

24:03people going

24:04loose stores

24:05and they're bringing us

24:06the juices

24:07and they're about to kill them

24:08then we ain't gonna have nothing

24:09we need to be very careful

24:10when

24:11we feel that the tone

24:12has shifted

24:14and if suddenly

24:17the mission feels like

24:18we're protecting stuff

24:21instead of helping people

24:23people

24:26we're

24:30probably getting it wrong

24:34yeah

24:36and then

24:37the rumble of trucks

24:38it's clear the rescuers

24:40feared the ones

24:41that came to help

24:42at least initially

24:44this was not

24:45combat operations

24:46there was nobody

24:47shooting at us

24:48but federal troops

24:49had the perception

24:50of what

24:51they saw from

24:52exaggerated report

24:53on television

24:54that the city

24:55was out of control

24:56can the National Guard

24:57get the city of New Orleans

24:58under control?

24:59violence seems to be everywhere

25:00some thugs

25:01are even threatening

25:02EMS personnel

25:03we'll have the very latest

25:06some of them have been

25:07fresh from Iraq

25:08and they knew

25:09what the counter and sniper rule

25:10was

25:11if you got 10 troops

25:12all of them are pointing

25:13in different directions

25:14looking for the sniper

25:16looking at the ground

25:17looking at eye level

25:18looking on top of buildings

25:22and that was a concerning scene

25:23when those troops

25:24turned the corner

25:25from Padres to

25:27Convention Street

25:28pointing their weapons

25:29in many cases

25:30they were pointing weapons

25:31at a place

25:32where a lot of ladies

25:33with babies

25:34and elderly ladies

25:35were standing

25:38everybody in a line

25:39everybody in a line

25:41in a disaster

25:44one of the first things

25:45you've got to do

25:46is figure out what rules

25:47you're going to break

25:51hey

25:52put that weapon down

25:56the rules

25:57federal officers

25:58don't tell the National Guard

25:59what to do

26:00and at that time

26:01we didn't work

26:02for the National Guard

26:03and the National Guard

26:04didn't work for us

26:05put those damn weapons down

26:06put those damn weapons down

26:07I'm going to tell you again

26:08I'm going to tell you again

26:09God damn it

26:10get those

26:11God damn weapons down

26:12put those weapons down

26:15put those weapons down

26:16damn it

26:17well you see them doing dumb shit

26:18yeah you tell them what to do

26:19because they do a lot of great stuff

26:20but if they're doing dumb shit

26:22that's not consistent with the mission

26:24which is to take care of the people

26:26then yeah I tell them what to do

26:27we put the God damn weapons in there

26:29weapons down

26:30put it on your back

26:32put it on your back

26:34that Guardsman

26:35who's in Wisconsin

26:36who's packing their bag

26:37and they're preparing

26:38to come to Louisiana

26:39kind of feels like

26:40they're going to a war zone

26:41and they weren't

26:43but that's the mindset

26:44they brought with them

26:45that it was really

26:46really bad here

26:47put that weapon down

26:48on your back

26:49and deliver it through

26:51when you're in rescuing people

26:53you don't point guns at them

27:00by that time I became

27:01somewhat of the de facto voice

27:03because I was on the ground

27:04in New Orleans

27:05not in Baton Rouge

27:06and not in DC

27:07and I knew one of the implied tasks

27:12was to get the story straight

27:14and I clearly understand

27:16our mission was to save lives

27:18hey tiger

27:19hey tiger let's go

27:20again the people aren't the problem

27:22the system's the problem

27:23the lack of systems that took care

27:26of all these people was the problem

27:27but the people aren't the problem

27:29go help the people

27:30and I think that got lost

27:32you know my understanding is that

27:34martial law is in effect

27:35that's what I thought

27:36and it's at this point

27:37we can't protect our own

27:39martial law was never

27:41enacted in New Orleans

27:42Ben Egan announced that

27:44martial law was in effect

27:45but he didn't have the authority

27:47to declare martial law

27:48and that contributed to a lot of

27:51confusion on the ground

27:52in practice declaring martial law

27:55meant giving the police chief the authority

27:59to do whatever he needed to do

28:02that's my understanding of martial law

28:04there was rumor that New Orleans was under martial law

28:07but no one had ever told the police department

28:10hey we're under martial law

28:11no that never happened

28:12but there was rumors about all of that all over the place

28:16so did some officers believe that?

28:19that was a possibility

28:21there was a lot of opportunities

28:23they had to do some unsavory things

28:26but people with integrity don't do that

28:28I can vouch for my men and women that work for me

28:31didn't happen

28:32now

28:33you had some policemen

28:35probably had unsavory intentions

28:37and kind of stepped over the line

28:39not just some

28:40you probably had a lot

28:48it was a Friday evening

28:50the buses didn't come none through the week

28:52so we thought it was mainly gonna come on Friday

28:58so it started getting almost dark

29:01every time

29:02the people out there would see lights coming down the street

29:05they thinking that's the buses coming to take us away

29:11a call came from down the street

29:13they thought it was a bus

29:14it was a cop call

29:15and the cop you know he rode back

29:17he rode past

29:18took his time

29:20this little guy was like

29:21hey hey hey hey hey

29:23he was just like

29:24when they gonna send the buses

29:26so the cop he slowed down a little bit

29:29then the guy felt like he was being ignored right

29:32so he turned around and walked off

29:34and when he turned around and walked off

29:36and when he turned around and walked off

29:37the cop rode the back window down

29:40and stuck his shotgun out the window

29:43and hit the little guy in his back

29:46BOOM!

29:50and then the guy just dropped right there

29:52like he did

29:53he killed this man in front of all these people

29:55and the guy's sister was out there

29:59like that lady not gonna never be right

30:01you know what I'm saying

30:02as long as she lives

30:03she's not gonna never be right

30:04because she witnessed her brother getting killed for nothing

30:07trying to find out some information

30:09well I thought that was the coldest thing in the world

30:12like the police really killing people

30:14and they're killing people in front of everybody

30:16so I just felt like I was like okay

30:21well this was gonna happen to me

30:23I thought that was gonna happen to me

30:24I definitely did

30:37when we knew that there was no food and water

30:40at the convention center

30:41and the number of people kept growing

30:44and it had reached above 20,000 people

30:47the mayor said

30:49if you're at the convention center

30:51walk

30:53at least then

30:55you know you're walking

30:57toward the safety of others

31:00we found one evacuation route

31:02to walk across the Crescent City Connection

31:04on the overpass

31:06down Highway 90

31:07there's buses coming

31:09you may be able to find some relief

31:13so we were up on the interstate

31:16and it was hot as hell

31:20it was unbearable in some situations

31:22you didn't have access to water

31:24so my sister and the people we were with

31:27decided we were gonna go as far down as we could go

31:30and we walked down

31:32trying to get as close as we could

31:34to the Algiers

31:35to the bridge

31:36the Greater New Orleans Bridge

31:37the only thing we were looking for

31:38was to be able to find some place safe

31:41but that didn't happen

31:43by the time the word got to the people at the convention center and they began to walk across the Mississippi River Bridge

32:00unfortunately the story of lawlessness took such a life of its own

32:06that good members of law enforcement but also emergency personnel and surrounding neighbors turned people back

32:15turned good people back from help

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33:01mercy for us. No, we have no fear. We will shoot first and I'll shoot first and ask questions.

33:13We'll have to be picking them off the front.

33:18They have set up a checkpoint at the bottom of this bridge. This is the bridge that takes you

33:23from New Orleans over into Gretna, from Orleans Parish into Jefferson's Parish. It's the only way

33:28out. It's the connection to the rest of the world. And they've set up a checkpoint and anyone who

33:33walks up out of that city now is turned around. You are not allowed to go to Gretna, Louisiana,

33:39from New Orleans, Louisiana. Over there, there's hope. Over there, there's electricity. Over there,

33:45there's food and water. But you cannot go from there to there. I think the government will not

33:50allow you to do it. We were not allowed to go across the Mississippi River Bridge,

34:00even though that's still Orleans Parish, which is where our taxes go. We were told we could not go

34:07into that part of the city. They were under the impression that people were just going to want

34:17to leave New Orleans to go rob them, which you really wanted to get out of New Orleans so you could

34:23live or survive. Well, I was, I was here. This is Algiers, Algiers Point to be exact. Algiers is the West Bank.

34:37Well, we really didn't have any water there because it was just like a dry land, but they had

34:43uh, trees down, you know, and limbs and, you know, stuff in the streets and stuff like that. But

34:50forest water, they didn't have no water on the West Bank of the River, Algiers. Well, let's see the other

34:57hurricanes that hit New Orleans. If they don't affect the West Bank, we don't leave,

35:03you know, because we can survive. It don't damage that bad. You're going to have food in your house,

35:11probably just need water. Katrina didn't bring no flooding in the West Bank, none.

35:17But Algiers was not safe. Some of the areas were telling the people, don't come over here.

35:28It wasn't safe at all. It really wasn't.

35:32One of my neighbors came around here and he came, he was trembling.

35:40I said, man, what's wrong with you? He said, man, they tried to kill me. He said, man,

35:46there's some white boys around the corner and I had to beg them not to shoot them.

35:51I was down the street and they said, where you from? Where you at? Turn around. Turn around. I said,

35:58hold on. I live right here in the next block. Turn around. Turn around.

36:04Well, I didn't believe it. I went around there waiting.

36:07If you want to call a vigilante, yeah, well, we just looked out for everybody.

36:14You had to do what you had to do, you know? You had to shoot somebody, you had to shoot somebody.

36:19No, we had that simple. We shot them.

36:24They were looters. Oh, I tried to shoot to put them down. We didn't try to shoot to kill. Oh,

36:28okay. Did you kill the number of them? How many did you kill roughly?

36:33Who cares? I don't know. Who cares? What the matter? Yeah, I hear you. It doesn't matter.

36:41They chose to die. They chose to commit suicide. How do you know the vigilantes? You see them.

36:49How do you patrol around here in trucks, four-charged truck,

36:52a driver and a passenger and then two in the back with long guns and nobody telling them anything.

37:03There was no police, no police, no army, no national guard, nobody. Then they put in a

37:12shoot to kill curfew, a dust to dawn, shoot to kill. But there's nobody left.

37:19Young blacks was being killed in this community. When you hear the gunfire, it's not something I'm

37:29just making up. It's out there. It was great. It was like pheasant season in South Dakota.

37:36I got to go. If it moved, you shot it.

37:46I remember that the storm had passed and we were just, you know, in Algez with no information.

38:04No food, no water, nothing like that.

38:06The train of me and the day my brother left me, that's what it mean to me. The day my brother left.

38:20Henry Glover was my younger brother. He was going out to, you know, help his sister and help his family,

38:28you know, to go out and, and, and trying to get water and stuff that we need that to, to survive.

38:35I hit my brother-in-law from a distance. Dirty. That's my nickname. Dirty Red. Dirty. Dirty.

38:44Hey, police shot your brother. I said he shot my brother, shot him where?

38:49I go out screaming, running down the street and ask him where my brother was. And I found my brother

38:58laying in the streets, shot. And it was the police when the first time I heard he was shot. My brother-in-law,

39:04that's what he was saying. A police shot your brother.

39:12So when I looked to the left, caught coming down the street. So I flagged that car. I said,

39:17man, my brother been shot. Give me some help. Help me. He said, man, come on, put him in a car.

39:21I heard, I heard a gunshot, but I wasn't pinching. I thought it might be fireworks.

39:25I saw a gentleman laying on a manhole and his brother and his brother-in-law

39:30picked him up and put him in my backseat of my car. I picked him up. Blood was hitting the car

39:38like it was raining. Sounded like it was raining. I told him to bring him to the hospital. And

39:48William Tanner told me about a school called Haven School, where the police had a makeshift

39:54substation up there. So Tanner, the guy we flagged down, he said, man, I know the police is over

40:00here. They should have a doctor over there. So we shoot out. So I can bring him to Haven School,

40:06because I know two days out of the storm, they had medical attention. They had a truckload of stuff

40:10over there. These are the police. So I thought I might get him the help he needs.

40:17Five of them come out. Get on the ground. Get on the ground now. Get on the ground. I said,

40:23we need help. He shot. And they started beating us up. Well, they kicked me twice in the stomach and

40:32hit me with them 16 rifle inside my cheek. He punched me in the face. Bah. Stuck me up. Put his

40:40hand around my throat. Choked me till I was, my eyes rose in the back of my head. I thought they was

40:47going to kill me for them to be beating me. That's when they registered. These are the people who shot

40:54him. They did take a picture of us. It was with the police handcuffed behind the police and open the

40:59scorecard. I saw one of them had flares in his pocket and he drove off with my car with him

41:07recovering the back seat. I told Edward, I don't think I'll see that car again, because I figured that

41:12when the flares he had in his pocket, he was going to burn the car up.

41:20His remains was found burnt inside of a car.

41:33People talk about Katrina, I kind of shy away and walk off. Katrina just a hurricane. But what they did,

41:42during that time, that was evil, pure evil. I don't want to remember that.

41:54I'm not a naive person to violence, but nothing prepared me for what happened after Katrina.

42:01And it's real hard to see when that violence is being inflicted upon you and you can't defend

42:15yourself from it. That's where it happened after Katrina.

42:19At the parish line, the county line of Gretna, they were met with attack dogs and police officers

42:34with machine guns saying, you have to turn back.

42:38So we were up on the bridge and it became more of a situation where, when are we going to get out?

42:48How are we going to get out?

42:50Look, we this high in water. We grabbed what we get.

42:55How long have you been walking for?

42:56About at least three hours.

42:57They weren't going to go in those doggone neighborhoods.

43:00They weren't going to impact those neighborhoods.

43:03Those people were looking to escape and they cut off the last available exit route.

43:08Look at my people.

43:12I got two grandchildren, a nephew, another nephew right now.

43:16We got trying to get the old folks out.

43:20If I stay up here, I'm going to die.

43:23If I go that way and they shoot me now, I'm going to die.

43:26So I'm going to die any way.

43:28You're going to tax me anyway.

43:30But whatever it takes for me to get mine out here, I'm getting the out you.

43:35You heard me?

43:36I wouldn't give a fuck.

43:38I got to go.

44:05I managed to get my baby.

44:06I changed my baby.

44:08I got to sing.

44:09I made my baby.

44:11Did you hear the dog boy want me to cry?

44:14What?

44:15Me.

44:15All right.

44:16You're going to die.

44:18Let me die.

44:19You're going to die.

44:21I'm going to die.

44:23I'm going to die.

44:24Just go.

44:26Right.

44:27At happens.

44:28So I'm going to die ganze time to be fully in the body.

44:31Then I'm going to die for you.

Hurricane Katrina: Race Against Time - Season 1 Episode 4 - Shoot To Kill

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