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00:00it is a good time here in the month of july a football month and as of yesterday all 32 nfl
00:07clubs reported to training camp and drs the final two joining the fold the atlanta falcons
00:14the pittsburgh steelers on report day you're checking in you're getting your room assignments
00:19if you are the steelers showing up to st vincent college in latrobe so report day you're not doing
00:25much you might hear the owner gm head coach meet with the media but the guys aren't on the practice
00:33field so for the 30 other teams that reported earlier in the week yesterday was really practice
00:40day number one and we got to hear from the players and the personnel following that opening practice
00:46of training camp including in miami and that was quarterback to a tongue of iloa of course a
00:52storyline this offseason in south florida tyreek hill who at the end of last year said i don't
00:58want to be here anymore screw the fins i'm out walk back those comments during super bowl week
01:05in february and of course remains a member of this dolphins franchise entering an uneasy 2025 campaign
01:14moving forward drs he was to a tongue of iloa yesterday after practice talking about his top
01:20wide receiver and tyreek hill regaining the trust of his teammates i i would say we're still continuing
01:26to do that but it's not just with me it's it's with a lot of the guys i'm not the only one that
01:31heard that you guys aren't the only people that heard that you know a lot of people that follow
01:35football that follow the miami dolphins uh that follow tyreek that are fans of his everyone has seen
01:41that so um when you say something like that it's you don't just come back from that with uh hey my bad
01:48you know you got you got to work that that relationship up you got to build everything up
01:51um again and yeah that it's still a work in progress not just for me but for everybody but
01:59um you know like i said he's he's working on himself he's working on the things that he say
02:04you know he says he wants to get better with uh and do better on so uh that's the first step to me
02:11and so i commend him uh for doing that tyreek hill of course the rs an interesting character he is
02:18there in camp for the dolphins it should be a time of optimism with a healthy to a tongue of iloa
02:23for now what's your read on this situation in miami yeah i don't know why we're making this such a big
02:29deal like tyreek hill said he won out just like 50 other players every all season that are superstars
02:34that won out because of contract situation i'm happy with the offensive coach the head coach or what
02:38it might be and also understand wide receivers being a different breed as well if they're not
02:42getting the football when they're used to getting the football and i'm gonna try to have 2 000 yards
02:46in a season i'm with 25 touchdowns and you don't get it yes they're always going to be unhappy at the
02:51end of the season it's a simple phone call and also yes he can say my bad hey look to it man i was
02:56just upset season was going terribly i wasn't getting the rock i was banged up a little bit man just
03:00the uneasy feelings at the end of the season but i'm good i'm right it's the offseason i can't wait to
03:05see in camp let's get after all right cool brother see when you get to camp like is it that simple
03:09like why is two making this out like it's a marriage at this point they have five kids and
03:12they just can't break up at this point stop it it's not that big of a deal a wide receiver who had a
03:17bad season and injured once again wasn't happy at the end of the season now he's happy rinse and
03:22repeat every single year for top wide receiver talk to any player hey used to get an 18 sacks got
03:27seven last year maybe it's a defensive scheme i don't like it at the end of the season oh he's got to
03:31earn his trust back no he doesn't just show up at camp the next year and start to dominate
03:34once again and everybody will forget you're telling me in game number one the miami dolphins
03:38going deep tyree kill six catches 144 yards and two touchdowns oh man we're still working the process
03:44no you're not the minute you get back on the field dap it up get after it and have a good season
03:48drs's marriage advice to what you could learn from a very happy man with a very happy marriage
03:56tyree kill last year drs the interesting thing about him is despite his displeasure at the end of the
04:01season played all 17 games for the fins he was still their leading receiver in terms of yards
04:07959 and top in targets with 123 the only time in tyree kill's career after his rookie season that he
04:16has played 15 plus games that has happened seven of the eight years after his rookie campaign in kc
04:22that he had less than 1100 receiving yards he was not a pro bowler last year the only guy in miami to
04:29earn that distinction was johnny smith the story of course last year was the complicated injury
04:35history of to a tongue of iloa again week number two sliding to the turf bangs his head against the
04:42buffalo bills gets a concussion into the injured reserve drs he missed four games due to a concussion
04:50when he came back dolphins looked okay they were six and four when to a tongue of iloa started and
04:57completed a full game last year in fact they won five of the final seven starts that tongue of iloa
05:03made in 2024 but he missed the final two games with the dolphins still relatively in a playoff chase
05:10due to a hip injury which of course was the big diagnosis in the health ory for to a tongue of iloa
05:16coming out of college and leaving alabama donnie it's a very difficult thing i would say to have
05:23optimism in the outlook for miami given that complicated injury history of the star quarterback
05:29into a tongue of iloa and this year the dolphins have a much different outlook than the previous few
05:35it is year number four under mike mcdaniel and the dolphins win total we said was eight and a half
05:42it's eight and a half the under juiced at minus 195 or six and a half the over juiced at minus 175
05:49however you slice it the odds maker was kind of expecting a seven win season in south florida that
05:58of course not good enough drs to contend for the division or even a playoff berth no they're not
06:03they're not going to be a playoff team they are not going to win any championships game with this
06:08iteration of the miami dolphins but understand this we will know right away on the miami dolphins futures
06:13at the colts week number one you better win that game right week number two at home against
06:18the new england patriots who are improved but it's still home it's the patriots it's still drake may
06:21looking to take that next step forward then they get the bills on the road that'll be the loss but
06:25after that the jets and the panthers and then two weeks later you get the cleveland browns we don't
06:29even know who their starting quarterback is going to be there are some opportunities for them to have
06:33a fast start but at the same time they lose opening week to the colts come home with their
06:37stinking to the new england patriots and they're owing to now you're starting to talk about the first
06:41coach being fired this year will be mcdaniel like no doubt about it in my mind like you need a fast
06:46start for the dolphins to buoy your season if you can't get through those first four to five weeks
06:52with a winning record it's going to be disastrous and i guarantee you again tyree kill is going to
06:56be screaming get me out of here i don't want to be here anymore the dolphins are a slight underdog
07:04in indianapolis week number one it's basically a pick-em miami in the three years under mcdaniel so far
07:10five and eighteen straight up as a dog when they're not expected to win even slightly they
07:17underperform more on the early line next the first day of on-field work with the new york giants came
07:22with a promise and a guarantee and the naming of a starter for the g-men it's russell wilson and it
07:30was very matter of fact drs no coach speak no uncertainty let's hear from the head man in new york
07:36himself brian dayball tell reporters can any of the other quarterbacks challenge russell russell for
07:43the week one starting job where is that door closed that's his yeah like i said these guys will be out
07:47here competing but russ is our starter there you go drs russell wilson named the week one starter
07:54for the new york giants earlier in the offseason we had a market up week one starting quarterback a few
08:01quarterback battles around the nfl the giants included because they drafted jackson dart and
08:07they also signed jamis winston this offseason but russ was a minus 12 50 favorite to be named
08:13the week one starter brian dayball confirms yesterday of course he's supposed to be the
08:18week one starter that was the goal all along because again you're looking at an organization
08:22that's saying okay i think we may have drafted our franchise quarterback he's just not ready we're in a
08:27holding pattern there's other good teams in the nfl next year won't be our year but let's reset the
08:31foundation for in the future i'm going to show you i could be the head coach that's going to take us
08:35into the quote unquote 21st century with jackson dart as my quarterback and away we go the only
08:41question is what is this season actually going to look like if you want just to get as many wins as
08:45possible it is smart to have russell wilson as your quarterback you at least get competency back there
08:50right you might not get unbelievable performances like we saw 10 years ago in seattle but you will get
08:55competent performances which will keep you in the game and maybe you can steal some wins so at the
08:58end of the season you can tell your ownership group hey we are supposed to win five games this
09:03year we won six games this year next year jackson dart will be ready let's go ahead and get this
09:07thing kick started once again it's going to be a tough year for the giants particularly their fans as
09:12well because you are going to start to scream after a while we have no excitement this year we're not
09:17winning a ton of football games can we at least see jackson dart that's going to be the internal
09:20struggle that you're going to have for the giants this season not winning 10 games 11 games and
09:24making a playoff run it's just when is the time to pull the plug on russell wilson before we see
09:29jackson dart so at least abel's being honest hey you know what brought him in to be our starter he's
09:33our starter week number one and we'll go from there at this point as you see that schedule there's not
09:37very many wins out there almost like the super bowl is going to be that saints game like we better
09:41get a win here or all of our jobs are on the line because we don't know when that win is going to
09:46come i think the giants will be a a good foundational team which means we're not expecting ben
09:5128 to 10 every week they just get blown out but they're just not going to be as good as the
09:55competition but at least russell wilson will implode games where it's like hey we thought we had a
10:00chance to win like we saw will levis down in tennessee throwing pick six after pick six they'll
10:05be competitive and that might be the best you could say about the giants but rush should be the
10:08start of week one and is there there's a lot of talent on this giants roster especially defensively
10:15you've got malik neighbors who had an outstanding rookie season with new york tyrone tracy in
10:20the backfield has kind of taken over as that lead back for the g-men as well and to donnie's point
10:26russell wilson is not the 2018 version in the pacific northwest where we're yelling let russ cook
10:32anymore but even in 2024 he started 11 games for the pittsburgh steers albeit the fewest in his 13 years
10:39now in the national football league that completion percentage of 63.7 the third worst in his 13 years
10:46in the nfl but serviceable drs 18 total touchdowns to only five interceptions in 11 games a little bit
10:54more than 2400 passing yards yeah it's average but it's not awful by any means so drs you see that
11:02schedule the giants have the hardest schedule based on projected win totals of opponents in all of the
11:08national football league this year it is an absolute doozy as a guy that has a giants over three and a
11:15half win total ticket with the actual win total now updated to five and a half in the under having
11:21the juice russ is the week one starter to feel comfortable about at least getting four wins drs
11:27in winning that bet how long into the season do you want russell wilson to be that starting qb
11:33well at least till they get four wins so i can cash my ticket and also understand this you might not
11:38even like just like you might not even sacrifice like jackson dart that early because it might not make
11:42that sense it almost seems like if the season is going to be bad you don't just throw him in like
11:46week nine just to get his brain battered for like the final seven eight weeks of the season it does
11:51make sense where it's like okay i have a couple veterans in the room we'll let that ride out and
11:54if things are really bad weeks 14 15 16 17 18 maybe we'll start to look for the rookie because the fans
12:01will be clamoring for it and you probably realize that brian dable and joe shane aren't coming back
12:05anyway ah let's just see what the kid has work comes down from the ownership group we want to see what
12:09the kid has in case we have to go into the draft next year and get another quarterback but for me
12:14i hope russ plays as many games as possible that's the only way i'm going to be cashing in a four win
12:19ticket and we don't know the way the nfl season turns out you might have the final six games where
12:23the other teams are all damaged goods and playing for you know draft positioning at this point but the
12:27giants don't have a great outlook they should be competitive and i hope it just gets me four wins
12:32we'll continue going around the national football league up next on the euro as we continue giving you
12:39all the training camp reports all around the national football league drs one thing stands
12:44out to me about the new york giants russell wilson named the starter week number one that's what we
12:50expected as we had the conversation throughout this off season russ was a minus 12 50 favorite to be
12:57that week one starter what about week eight what about week 14 what about week 17 and how it all plays
13:04into the story of bringing brian dayball the head coach and joe shane the gm back to new york this
13:11year they are literally coaching and working for their jobs this season i would say on the warmest of
13:17seats not named mike mcdaniel in miami entering the 2025 campaign because if they go under five and a half
13:26does that mean they're getting fired by the mara family at the end of 2025 it's what the odds makers
13:32expect it's the most difficult schedule in the national football league if they go seven and ten
13:37but they're kind of stuck in that limbo phase of not being able to draft that early and you don't
13:43have all that much promise in the quarterback room does that lead to an uncertain future as well
13:49do brian dayball and joe shane decide at a point drs the giants are four and eight entering week number
13:5613 hey we got to put jackson dart out there we got to show a glimmer of hope not only to this fan base
14:03but to our bosses and ownership that we got our guy at the quarterback spot for 2026 and beyond i think
14:11all of those situations are plausible this year for the g-men and it's why i find the season for new
14:17york fascinating and certainly that win total of five and a half no and also by the way if they're four
14:23eight they're going to be throwing a party and brian dable's probably going to get an extension
14:26from the expectations for what this team is going to be hey man we won four of the first 12 games
14:30that's amazing we're on pace to win six games this is the best thing we've ever seen but i don't i
14:34don't know when that quarterback is getting dropped in but the way they're just talking about like
14:38you drafted jackson dart and you clearly don't think he's ready just yet and usually it's like hey
14:43i drafted a guy high just put him in day number one and we'll see what happens well sometimes you do
14:47that where maybe the infrastructure is a little bit better their win total and how hard that they know
14:51this like the owner knows this the general manager knows the coach knows it we look at that schedule
14:55like this is going to be tough and wins may be the most important thing because at least we can be
15:00around a winning atmosphere where people are still giving it all they're all in weeks 9 10 and 11
15:04as opposed to a wash away season and it is the nfl there are teams that surprise every single year
15:09there are teams that we think are going to be good wind up really bad every single year injuries can
15:13derail other franchises where you look and say boy by the time we play washington it's going to be
15:17tough what happens jaden daniels is injured in that game where they have a cash you know
15:21yeah defensive line like defensive that tackles down defensive ends down you get all that the
15:26ebbs and flows of the nfl season are interesting but for me it just looks like we're trying to win
15:30as many games as possible to set up the future but there also comes a point where you say yes we
15:35drafted jackson dart and we still think he's going to be great but you wind up with two wins this year
15:40for the giants there's a guy named manning that's going to be in the draft and the last man he got
15:44worked out pretty well so that's also in the foresight where it's not like we got our quarterback as many
15:49wins as possible because they blew it last year they really did they had no business winning a
15:52game late in the season that they picked up a victory on and that crushes you because did the
15:56fans like hey it was worth that win in the locker room round no it wasn't you would have a better
15:59draft pick and maybe a different quarterback already on your roster or a different projection
16:03for your football season they can't make that mistake twice by saying hey brian dable win a game
16:08that gets us from three wins to four wins in late december and away you go now me i would love that but
16:13as a franchise that's just ridiculousness here the giants are one of those rare occasions where it's like
16:17you don't really have a young team per se you have good talent but with no chance to win it's it's
16:23really an awkward situation it really is drs and i think that was very well summed up jackson dark
16:30could be the odd man out despite being a first round pick just a year prior if things really go south
16:36this year and there's a huge change to the front office and the head coaching room of course as well
16:43a very crowded quarterback room in cleveland we mentioned how russell wilson was a minus 1250
16:49favorite to be that week one starter according to the odds makers for the new york giants we had odds
16:56up just over a week ago or so for the cleveland browns week one starter and the veteran joe flacco
17:02was that slight favorite but he's not the only guy involved in this quarterback battle joe flacco
17:09kenny pickett who was traded for by the browns after winning a super bowl as the reserve in
17:15philadelphia this previous season of course the third round pick dylan gabriel the fifth round picture
17:20or sanders and deshaun watson technically on the roster placed on the pup list the physically unable
17:26to perform he's probably going to be on the physically unable to perform designation all year long
17:32recovering from his second ruptured achilles of the same ligament the rs as you look at that browns
17:39quarterback depth chart we have talked about it when it comes to the odds that joe flacco being a
17:45favorite doesn't make a lot of sense to us if i was a browns if i was andrew barry and i'm in that
17:51browns executive uh office and i'm talking to kevin stefanski i'm saying we got to start kenny pickett
17:57to see what he has where do you think the browns quarterback battle plays out throughout the
18:04entirety of training camp i think they're going to put their best foot forward which they really
18:10shouldn't be doing because you do have some talent on that team joe flacco is not the future whatever
18:15you think and maybe he's not even the future past weeks two or three in this nfl season like kenny
18:20pickett doesn't inspire a lot of enthusiasm even though he's drafted played a lot of football with
18:24pittsburgh was with philadelphia last year on that super bowl run he's got some years in the nfl and
18:28that's a positive thing but i do think their future boils down to the two quarterbacks they got quite
18:32frankly it's not as if you got these two quarterbacks of hey man we went out and got rg3 like
18:37washington did and then we got kirk cousins so we got two guys that we can sort of play off each other
18:41for the next couple years one of them will be our franchise guy there's a really good chance at the
18:45end of the season like shador sanders and dylan gaber aren't even nfl guys anymore and you're back in
18:48the draft looking for some more quarterbacks and to see what you can do i think if everything works
18:53well you're playing joe flacco and you're winning football games you can sustain that keep the fan
18:57base happy in the locker room there but there's a really good chance in cleveland just like we talk
19:01about the giants it's going to come a point in the season where you have to find out about your future
19:05even if you're sitting there at five and seven like what does that do for you cleveland not on a
19:10playoff pace joe flacco's playing football you know he's probably going to i don't know his last year
19:14in the nfl and then next year you start to find out about those young quarterbacks it's another one we're
19:18talking about not really bottom feeders if you will with organizational talent but expectations
19:24just being extremely low for these two franchises where all you're trying to figure out is do we have
19:28our quarterback but most of the time ben you're figuring out do we have our quarterback because
19:31i just drafted the guy in the top five you get it like that's not what these two teams have it's
19:35almost like they took the around about way to say i hope we found the quarterback maybe we found
19:40it with value as opposed to saying like cam war and the titans we know we stink we got the number one
19:44pick we have our franchise guy he's going to take his lumps but we'll be better off for it yeah
19:49you're not better off taking your lumps with joe flacco and or russell wilson when the season is
19:53already up in flames so for me playing in training camp flacco to come out of it which i disagree with
19:58but during the season there's a chance that all four of those quarterbacks get a start this year for
20:02which is a disaster but you got to find what you have the honest if you asked me over under two and a
20:09half qb starting game for cleveland this year i'd probably bet the over my question is how many
20:15quarterbacks do the browns leave training camp with sean watson's not going to play this year
20:20but he still owed a ton of money and is on the roster will the browns roster three quarterbacks will
20:26they only keep two elevate a guy to the practice squad as an emergency emergency third case scenario
20:33perhaps i do think it will mostly be between joe flacco and kenny pickett from the very stuff
20:40flacco fascinates me he's 40 years old this is year number 18 in the nfl he is not like a lifelong
20:47browns guy he played five games at the end of 2023 and helped cleveland dramatically and miraculously so
20:55get to 11 wins in a playoff spot but it's not like he's back in baltimore of course they don't need
21:01to have this quarterback conversation where flacco spent the first decade plus of his career drs did
21:08you see the video yesterday on the shores of lake erie as the browns introduced their new brown
21:14uniforms their alternates and the inflatable helmet on the lake and the photographer was trying to get
21:20a nice angled shot and fell in to the water ah wow no i saw the i saw they were doing something with
21:27the float with like the big helmet but i never really paid attention or cared what they were
21:31actually trying to do so they were floating around and what lake erie on a pontoon what were they doing
21:37they were on a float like a deck debuting the inflatable new alternate brown helmet like brown
21:45in color for the browns and a photographer was like going around to get a shot yeah completely missed
21:50where the deck fell in the lake i mean if there's ever an omen about cleveland browns football it was
21:57that more tel next all right from one side of the state of ohio with the cleveland browns elsewhere in
22:05the state elsewhere in the afc north division we go from cleveland to cincinnati well cincinnati
22:11but is there an update on shamar stewart did he sign his rookie contract no whoa is trey hendrickson
22:16negotiating as we speak for a new record deal also no but we did hear from joe burrow about those
22:23contract situations he called it disappointing he wants everybody in camp and happy at the start of
22:29it for that cohesion building toward a new season head coach zach taylor drs was asked about the
22:35contract situation with both he said i'm not going to tell you if i have spoken to either of those two
22:42players but what zach taylor did detail yesterday is the preseason plan for cincinnati joe burrow
22:49fully healthy this offseason and now into training camp and for a bangles team that despite getting
22:57hot at the end of the year has started in a porous fashion each of the last three might they update how
23:05much the starters play meaningful minutes in the preseason let's hear from zach taylor himself
23:11well the only thing last year with him was we did there were days where we limited him where he
23:16did not throw and so um right now there's there's none of that so he'll participate every single day
23:21like he like he normally would fully healthy and then anticipate playing him more in games than we ever
23:26have hey yo playing joe burrow more in preseason games the bangles ever have previously drs i'll ask you
23:36the question in just a second but i think it needs the context of the slow starts the bangles have
23:41seen really the entirety of the joe burrow era and a lot of that could it be dedicated to the idea that
23:48joe burrow has not been fully healthy in most of the off seasons his rookie year was a bad year in
23:54cincinnati but they started oh and two the year they even won a or reached a super bowl they were one
24:002022 2023 oh and two last year oh and two and then even worse oh and three well playing joe burrow
24:09and some of those bangles starters more than we have ever seen in preseason affairs drs result in
24:16a better start to the regular season for cincy of course it will but here's hear me out on this
24:21there's three preseason games we're not advocating for them to play full three season games starters
24:25all the way through and then you're ready for the regular season that won't make much sense because
24:29those games don't count but i'll tell you where they do count in the weekly preparation anybody
24:33that's you know have played sports before if you're going into a scrimmage or a game like hey you know
24:38what you're going to take sit this one out are you really that focused like just being a human being
24:41am i putting in the hardest work i can this week knowing i'm not going to play am i really in the
24:45playbook keeping my mind sharp maybe not but if you do have a you know what joe we're going to start
24:50you all three games we're probably going to get a couple drives apiece that's all you need
24:53because they're game rehearsals once you get there they say hey we get all the work we need in
24:58practice i get it in those glorified scrimmages with other teams that you have i get that as
25:02well where it's more controlled but nothing beats on a game day where you're saying all right game is
25:06at seven o'clock tonight i got to be in the building at three o'clock i got to go through
25:10my normal warm-ups here and then i'm not just taking the pads off i'm going to play i'm going
25:13to get into my playbook we're going to build some camaraderie here we're going to get those out
25:17because what you don't understand is once you get into like week number one the adrenaline flows so
25:21much that you're through like three plays like man i'm exhausted it's 85 degrees here on a sunday
25:25afternoon in september we haven't played all the way through and now i got to play a three and a
25:30half hour game at 85 degrees take 70 snaps where yeah i'm used to practicing and nobody's touching me
25:35but i got to get some of that wear and tear on my body i love this year specific from a defensive
25:40perspective i don't care about the defense yes they need to tackle a little bit more but that's a
25:44little bit different but from a quarterback wide receiver offensive game plan tempo scenario i need my
25:50guys on the field as much as possible and i don't mean a full game how about a quarter quarter and a half
25:55in those first three games you'll be a much better team in early september than if you just sat those
25:59guys and didn't play anybody in those preseason games ndrs you think of the off seasons that joey b
26:06has had tore his acl during his rookie year in 2020 was working his way back to be ready for 2021
26:13pretty healthy that offseason into 2022 didn't result in a fast start but they were cautious
26:19with him in preseason games 2023 we thought he tore his achilles during practice one day looking
26:25at video it was a significant calf strain and then working his way back throughout that season
26:31injured his wrist on a thursday night against baltimore missed the rest of the season the final
26:36seven games for the bangles wasn't fully healthy you heard zach taylor mentioned it there that at this
26:42time last offseason they were limiting him throwing during practice one of the silver linings i guess
26:49you could say of 2024 for cincinnati despite a winning record is that joe burrow was not injured
26:56joe burrow is fully healthy now they've got some large issues to deal with defensively in terms of
27:02the contract situation but you look at how cincinnati has started the rs is there a correlation between
27:09the bangles winning week one in making the super bowl because in the five seasons of joe burrow's
27:14the only time that has happened is 2021 and of course they reached that super bowl 2022 they
27:22started oh and two they won eight straight to end the year and went 12 and four in 2023 they started
27:29oh and two then one and three won four of their next five before that critical divisional matchup
27:35against the baltimore ravens on thursday night that joe burrow suffered the wrist injury that ended his
27:412023 campaign last year they started oh and three dropped all the way to four and eight and then won
27:47the final five games to build some momentum to get back above 500 but of course came up short of the
27:53postseason yeah and also you're taking a look at how you start the season can build a lot of momentum
27:59throughout the season as opposed to always fighting back take it to everyday life ben hey you and the
28:03boys go down to atlantic city or las vegas you sit down at the blackjack table lost my first six hands
28:08the vibes ain't high you win your first six hands like oh it's gonna be the best night of my life
28:13well same thing in real life with football how many like your job is on the line in the building you see
28:18the statistics go oh and two or oh and three to start the season you don't make the playoffs that's
28:22just a fact of life and it seems like the bangles every year are fighting against history like yeah
28:26we're going to yeah we're going three now we got to pick up our bootstraps here and try to make the
28:30playoffs you don't know what it's much easier to open the season two and one after three games like okay
28:35settle in we got this thing playoffs are there divisions there top seeds are all here oh and
28:40threes man you can't do that so get the vibes high play these guys win your opening game like
28:46whoa what a better feeling this has been than the past five years or so absolutely so in drs you see
28:53that week one game on the road in cleveland first three games game on the road never easy to start
28:59but the bangles are a five and a half point favorite in week number one now you might be saying hey
29:05cincinnati was the largest favorite of week number one last year seven points at home against the bad
29:10patriots team and lost that game outright i understand but the bangles should we say start
29:17one and oh this time around mlb headlines next we are one week away from our first football game
29:25of the year albeit a preseason game in the national football league and yet it is football next thursday
29:33night 8 p.m eastern under the lights of the pro football hall of fame in kenton ohio it's the hall
29:40of fame game that officially kicks off the 2025 nfl season and pre-season action it's the chargers
29:48and the lions detroit drs and ever so slight favorite minus 120 on the money line the over under
29:5632 and a half will break down the game next week to give you any betting handicaps that you need from
30:02a handicapping perspective it's not the most attractive game from seeing the stars in the
30:08familiar faces for both franchises quarterbacks justin herbert for the bolts and jared goff for
30:14the lions other superstars in the fold as well we're not going to see them you probably won't
30:21see a single starter the rs this is a time for the young kids for the reserves to try to battle for a
30:27spot on the 53 man roster so it might not be the prettiest football game you will have ever seen
30:33but it's football gosh darn it and that's a beautiful thing in and by itself yep two teams with some snazzy
30:40uniforms that they can wear we'll like to see the football back you won't see any superstars in
30:45this game these are the two teams that have the extra pre-season game but also understand it is
30:49about like the backups and getting them some time but the thing i always like about the nfl and the
30:53pre-seasons where the coaches will tell you flat out we don't put anything any stock whatsoever into
30:58these pre-season games they're basically for the owners to sell an extra couple tickets for tv rights
31:02because we actually like practices and the controlled scrimmages with other teams way better and get way more
31:08work than in these pre-season games but it is football and you just see the odds makers go ah
31:12money line split minus 120 one side plus 100 the other 32 and a half have at it there's no real
31:18handicaps unless you're saying well this coach and the ravens really take it seriously and the other
31:22ones don't it's hard enough betting on a sport like a major league baseball the nfl at the start of
31:27a game in a regular season we say i know the starters that are supposed to be there i know the weather
31:31conditions and i handicapped this game appropriately how the hell did i lose this game by you know 16
31:36points when i was laying four points in this game it happens but good luck in pre-season where a coach
31:42will tell you andy reid notorious for this starter's going to get to a first half tonight patrick mahomes
31:48six of seven on the opening drive for a touchdown he doesn't play the rest of the night wait a second
31:52mahomes got eight plays you told me he's playing the first half almost impossible to bet the pre-season
31:58with analysis as opposed to just feel yeah and drs andy reid at least plays his starters we probably won't
32:05see any starters for the rams in the entirety of the post pre-season that is how sean mcveigh goes
32:11about it yes there are certain handicaps that we know based on a coach's track record and their
32:17philosophy that you can maybe have a small edge but is it discernible even is it strong probably not
32:24around the nfl when it comes to pre-season one thing i look at is like quarterback battles right
32:30we're going to have that in cleveland we will certainly have that in indianapolis i think the
32:35saints are going to give tyler shuck a lot of run if you're going to have quarterbacks trying to prove
32:41it on the field in live action in pre-season games that could be a distinct advantage but again distinct
32:48being like oh that team's going to win by 14 no not necessarily the case and certainly not in the
32:54hall of fame game again we're not going to see jared goff jameer gibbs almond ross saint brown
32:58heck we're not going to see aiden hutchinson or lee mcneil either on the other side we're not going
33:03to see justin herbert we're not going to see lad mcconkey we're not going to see khalil mack
33:08or derwin james just not the story of what happens in the hall of fame game we are going to see guys
33:13compete for roster spots and the coaches and their staffs going through the game day scenarios and
33:19logistics to kind of get through that rust and get up to speed for a new season drs one of the
33:26reasons this game is the hall of fame game is because of those that will be enshrined in canton
33:31next weekend including antonio gates of the la chargers a guy that revolutionized the tight end
33:38position why might the lions be the opposition then antonio gates is from detroit that is what
33:45our producer joe friso has let us know the arrest the chargers have been in camp with their veterans
33:51longer than anybody they showed up last wednesday july 16th we're starting to see some practice
33:58video i saw you in okay dubs joking yesterday beautiful throw from justin herbert into the
34:03welcoming arms of quinton johnston and it was dropped to the turf that is one of the things the
34:10rs as we look at the bolts schedule for 2025 i don't doubt they can win 10 11 games or make the
34:17postseason but to get anywhere close to that super bowl ticket i still think the thing holding la back
34:23is the skill position players in that wide receiver room no it certainly is and that could be an issue
34:29where they're looking to play good defense run the football with a great offensive line but you still
34:33need that deep drip that can get down there they don't have that we just don't and that's going to
34:37hurt oh where oh where has mark zinno been he's back
34:42breaking news right now around the national football league practice has begun at training
34:49camp and one of the things you always worry about significant injuries to significant players
34:55justin fields in his first year in new york his fifth season in the nfl the report from espn's adam
35:02shefter jets qb justin fields was carted to the locker room with an apparent lower leg injury of
35:11course that is awful news what exactly the extent of the injury is we are not sure donnie you just
35:19shared something in the commercial break about further reporting you are seeing that he was carted
35:24behind a tree to decrease visibility of course as they are treating the injury what's the latest you got
35:30for us yeah i guess they don't have like the injury tent on the sideline which always is infuriating
35:35because you don't know why they're going into the injury tent at this point we don't know what
35:38actually happened with justin fields because it could be a calf injury he could have twisted his
35:42ankle he could have like uh bumped his knee into somebody in alignment and just limped off so we're
35:46playing the devil's advocate and understand this you're always going to be so cautious in the
35:50preseason and just in training camp and practice oh the cart came out they just don't want him to walk
35:55300 yards into the facility if he banged up his calf a little bit so you have to take that with a
36:00little bit of a grain of salt but it's never a good sign but also like this isn't hey scrimmage
36:04time he got tackled awkwardly around like we're talking about a quarterback in the first practice
36:08of the year if they move more than five feet in either direction that's a lot of work and a lot of
36:12movement here it would be interesting to see boy if you got a knee injury off a non-contact injury day
36:18one of camp that's just a cursed franchise then it really is donnie what it feels like go ahead you
36:25know yeah according to rich cimini who's the jets reporter he was injured on the first play
36:30of the second team period so uh and then they immediately went to special teams and left him
36:36there for the cart to come and get him now to drs's point we don't know if he was on one of those
36:41carts where he he wasn't sitting where he was like laying down or his legs were fully extended
36:46because he couldn't walk that's one thing if he got to a golf cart and sat down like you know you and
36:51i do going from the eighth green to the ninth tee box yeah then that's a different conversation we
36:56don't know the anti extent to it but i'm questioned what kind of cart was he on and how did he get on
37:01it so that also was reported by rich cimini justin fields is carted to the locker room he's riding
37:10shotgun on the cart not on the back ah yeah now listen we are doing a lot of speculation based on
37:17these small reports coming from training camp samini said they took the long way to the jets
37:22locker room away from where the media and the reporters are standing at this moment so it's not
37:27as easy to observe but as we know just watching sports and football in general if it is a severe
37:34leg or knee injury and you're on an air cast you're stretched out in the back of one of those long
37:41tractor golf carts because it is so difficult is that a positive sign i'm not going to say necessarily
37:47we'll wait for further information to come out it should be noted the jets win total five and a half
37:54the over has the juice it is still available on the fan duel sports book five and a half and the
38:00juice still on the over at minus 130 you know let's say there is true injury concern for justin field
38:07in year number one in new york but also year number one for new head coach aaron glenn tyrod taylor
38:13the veteran on the roster you made a joke during the commercial break that might not be so much a
38:18joke could the jets be calling a certain team where you reside for some quarterback help
38:24well i don't think to rod taylor is a viable starting option for 17 games for any football
38:30team in the nfl he's a backup quarterback on his best day and a spot starter when needed but beyond that
38:36that's not a long-term solution for the jets who uh immediately i might go bet to get the fewest wins
38:42in the nfl if terod taylor is the starter that said yes there is a quarterback in waiting in atlanta
38:47who has made it known he does want to start who has made it known that he doesn't want to be in
38:52atlanta to back up michael pennix and you know then it's a question of can you make 40 million dollars
38:57work in the cap room work and everything else and what's the compensation for you know uh i've said
39:03all along it's foolish for the falcons to keep him on the roster i've said all along i don't care if
39:08you're you look at it as we've already spent the money that's an asinine philosophy when it comes
39:14to business you have a bad investment cut bait and get out as soon as you can don't double down on a
39:19bad investment and that's what this is right now so the falcons should be very very much forward
39:23looking to move him and get some sort of cap relief any size way shape or form that they can get
39:28all that said again it really kind of depends we have to wait to see what the status of justin
39:32field's injury is whether it's just something that'll have him back by week one or uh first couple
39:37weeks of the season or unfortunately if it's you know something that keeps him out the entire year
39:41then the jets have different different decisions to make yeah when i look at this too because let's
39:46just play devil's advocate and say it is a bad injury there's a reason why the jets got justin
39:49fields let's go out and make an actual move for a legitimate starting quarterback that has veteran
39:54presence i don't think their mo is to win this year i think their mo is to set the foundation say you
39:58know maybe we stole a young quarterback who just didn't work out in chicago and in pittsburgh where
40:02we're going to give him the full freight of you are a starter let's see what you can do and if you are a
40:06good quarterback we don't have to hit the draft like i can't see the jets pivoting saying all
40:10right fields is down uh let's go and get a veteran that can win five or six games you're better off
40:14winning three games this year setting the foundation resetting with a brand new quarterback in the top
40:18half of the draft so i'm gonna the way i'm looking at this nobody ever wants to hear the cart coming
40:23out but the explanations are yeah you just jumped on the cart and rode in that sounds like maybe you
40:26banged up a calf for an ankle at this point if that's a knee injury you'd know right away from the
40:31beat writers you'd know right away from that team like they're doing the acl injury work right there
40:35he's immobilized holding his head as a towel over his head as they drive him in flat on the back of
40:40that little john deere tractor there i don't think it's going to be a big deal but it's certainly big
40:44news because we're talking football again at practice and i love it yeah uh and i did not have
40:49uh discussing ways to get on a golf cart uh on today's show rundown it was plus 670 for us to get
40:56into that conversation here we are breaking down how you set the golf cart on a football field to come
41:01come off the field after an injury but nobody does it better than drs in that sense
41:05oh i love it completely agree drs really did break it down beautifully right there and i think the
41:12overarching point as well five and a half is the win total for the jets we can even feel confident
41:17about aaron glenn and what he brings into new york and some young talent around the quarterback spot a
41:23couple of young stars that were just paid last week in garrett wilson and sauce garner i'm sure garrett's
41:28a little concerned right now that was his best butt from ohio state and he believes in that
41:33quarterback but it wasn't like uh-oh the super bowl outlook for the new york jets just plummeted
41:39and cratered because justin fields went down only the significance wow how about that how they do it
41:48today ben yeah that's it that's how they do it we'll see the extent and the significance of this
41:54injury i am sure we will find out so much more in the next hour that we have at this time plenty
42:01more with more up next live right here on the early line on sports grid of course the breaking news we
42:07just brought you justin fields in the first practice for the new york jets courted off the
42:12field with an apparent lower leg injury as we have shared based on the reporting from espn's rich
42:18who covers the jets he is right now in or was in the front of the golf cart what that means we're
42:26not entirely sure further reporting and information as we get it will be detailed for you here over the
42:33remainder of our time on the early line we're rounding out this second hour and it does obviously
42:38take in some context you know because justin fields was not one of the top 10 quarterbacks in
42:43that now infamous espn list that was released last week and the jets win total only five and a half
42:51the quarterbacks on the top 10 list have much more pedigree and of course the outlook for their clubs
42:56this year much more optimistic and positive here is that list mahomes allen burrow jackson and the rookie
43:04now entering year two jayden daniels in the top five stafford herbert goff the super bowl winner and
43:10jaylen hurts at number nine and baker mayfield rounding out the top 10 so no controversy sells
43:17so let's start there where was your biggest issue with the top 10 quarterback list that josh allen isn't
43:23at the top of it he's the best quarterback in the league and has been for the last two years
43:27by a wide margin i really don't think this is a debate anymore i don't know why people are still
43:31doing this because we look at super bowls and team awards and winning games and team things and we
43:37credit it all to patrick mahomes sure okay i guess if that's what you want to do but if you're asking
43:41me about who plays the position the best it's josh allen who does more for his team it's josh allen
43:46uh the fact is last year for the second straight year mahomes was outside the top five in touchdowns
43:52in passing yards and qbr so i don't understand how you put them as the number one but that's a whole
43:58different conversation so again look at the resumes everyone has super bowls super bowls that's not what
44:04the conversation is it's not a team conversation it's a quarterback conversation so i always question
44:11the parameters with which these lists are put into and how they are put together because that said
44:16how can you put jayden daniels at number five after one year and then list all pros and super bowls as as
44:23the metrics for what this list is all about that's wildly inaccurate that jayden daniels is a top five
44:29quarterback in this league not only would i argue that jayden hurts is better than him i'd argue that
44:34baker mayfield is better than him baker mayfield will be a top five production quarterback in this
44:38league again this year he'll approach 5 000 yards he'll throw for 40 touchdowns and his quarterback
44:43rating will be well over 100 once again because that offense calls for it and i say it to everybody
44:48i remind everybody dead wrong on baker mayfield thought he was a complete bust after two or three years
44:53in his league he's turned it around he's figured out how to play the position he's humbled himself
44:57and that is a guy that literally can help you win games and is at playing at a super bowl caliber
45:03level uh over the past two seasons so again some of these lists of prison in their moment type stuff
45:09but i i certainly understand it yeah you take a look and again with baker mayfield it's always
45:14interesting where that how it ended in cleveland was like oh he just can't play but sort of gutted
45:18out that season with the shoulder injury if he sits that out he's probably still the cleveland
45:21quarterback but found his way to tampa they gave him a couple good wide receivers and he's certainly
45:25slinging it looking at the top 10 there mark is there anybody that's excluded that outside the
45:29top 10 you feel probably should be in that top 10 list i mean yeah i i think there's a there's an
45:37argument um you know when you look across the league as far as quarterback play maybe yes i certainly think
45:45he should be part of it um you know is it too early to to give jordan love some some attention inside the
45:53top 10 cj stroud took a took a step back last year i don't think that's a product necessarily of him
45:59i think what happened is they overachieved in year one and the rest of that roster is not that great
46:04we found that out last year which is why they struggled particularly the offensive line so i think i would
46:10put him in there in that conversation again matthew stafford being there is sort of like a lifetime
46:16service report he's not one of the best quarterbacks in the league right now he's just not uh he plays
46:22with sean mcveigh and he's got elite receivers and that's reasons why fantasy nerds want to put him in
46:27that conversation but he's not one of the 10 best quarterbacks in the league right now it is really
46:32interesting you know and you said it there what parameters were used what accolades were used what
46:38reasoning was used behind these decisions from the execs the coaches and the scouts in the nfl
46:44we will never know for me i do think accolades in terms of being a quarterback as we associate
46:51wins and losses in championships with one position above all else do matter and when that quarterback
46:58in patrick mahomes has won all four times he's played the other quarterback in josh allen and that
47:05does be to me be a distinguishing factor but it's part of the great debate you know great having
47:11you back here on the early line my friend we look forward to doing it the remainder of the summer
47:16throughout all of training camp donnie anything to say or do before we go uh no
47:22welcome to our number three our third and final live right here on this thursday on the early line
47:30on sports grid drs training camp underway for all 32 teams around the national football league and with
47:37training camp underway and guys not just reporting anymore but taking the practice field for the
47:43first time or the first first few days you're gonna have some good you're gonna have reports about
47:48status availability about projection you're also gonna have some of the tough stuff like injuries
47:53starting to pop up the one we shared you uh shared with you to end out our second hour
47:59justin fields courted off with an apparent lower leg injury for the new york jets his first year with
48:06gang green drs and not a great start we don't have further information about the severity or the
48:13significance of the injury we have shared via espn's rich samini that justin fields was not in the back
48:20of said golf cart but riding shotgun in the front of said golf cart that could be a positive side if
48:28you look at it that way a lot to bring you though drs around training camp around the nfl here in hour
48:34three yeah and also it's like no news is not good news in this spot here like good news is right away
48:41like it got carded in and a team spokesman a representative or their communications guy goes
48:46yeah it's being checked out for an ankle injury we don't think it's all that big of a deal we'll update
48:49you later at this point the fact that we haven't heard anything it's granted it's only been 15
48:53minutes but 15 minutes in the sports landscape with social media is an absolute eternity because
48:58usually you would see like okay you emerge from the locker room uh walking back out to the field no
49:02helmet or you have again some sort of release of information that comes out now you can do a pretty
49:07good acl test on the field but we didn't get that like they're checking his knee they're checking his
49:11ankle they're checking his calf uh they removed his uh cleat because they want to check his foot
49:16they were far enough away from that we didn't actually see or get an instant reaction back from
49:21it and also i love this where the golf cart took the long way into the locker room so you didn't want
49:26to drive by the people like that's kind of funny that you see that right up and try to read into it
49:31usually again i like to say there's always over caution but the longer we wait the longer it goes
49:38it sort of gets surprising like yeah what he hurt his toenail he's completely fine what are you guys
49:42worried about like get that information out to your fan base as soon as you can that he's okay
49:46and we haven't heard back in 15 20 minutes at this point now yeah you wonder drs right are the jets pr
49:53people going to go to that gaggle of reporters and say hey he's good we're evaluating but it's not
49:59overly severe uh severe at this moment are they going to wait for aaron glenn to address it at the
50:04podium following practice in a few hours we're not entirely sure but again you want that optimistic
50:10update as quickly as possible again we're we're not trying to make this a bigger deal than it is
50:17but it's training camp we're starved for football we're excited and an injury to a quarterback is
50:22always a big deal we understand this justin fields is not an mvp contender we understand the new york
50:28jets are not in danger or more than likely going to win 10 games this year and contend for a lombardi
50:34trophy but injury news of course at this stage will always be handled as a breaking news scenario
50:41to all of you here on the early line all right drs elsewhere around training camp yesterday duval
50:48county getting underway that's the jacksonville jaguars hoping for a bounce back year under a rookie head
50:55coach in liam cohen there's a lot to like with this jags team liam cohen needs to reinvigorate the
51:01career of trevor lawrence who might have a new pass catcher to throw the ball to and the reigning
51:07heisman winner and travis hunter and might have a guy on the other side that can lock down the
51:11opposition's best wideout so how exactly is travis hunter going to be used for jacksonville this year
51:18that remains the question and how are we going to see hunter used during practice throughout training
51:23camp here's liam cohen with the answer to that yesterday yeah he will probably within the first
51:29you know six practices or so like we'll probably have them you know you want to give them a couple
51:34days offense couple days defense and then give them an opportunity to go flip flop within the same
51:40practice and then that will kind of become the norm right like once we do that that'll kind of become
51:46the norm and how we operate but it'll probably be within the first week or so
51:51so it's interesting drs flip flop play on both sides but to start kind of exclusively as he has
51:59began with the offense and then probably in a few practices on that defensive side of the ball
52:04travis hunter is an enigma it is why he won the heisman trophy last year at colorado how will he be used
52:11in the nfl and what hardware might he be adding in his rookie campaign it was the question to all of you
52:18and fade the public is travis hunter more likely to win offensive or defensive rookie of the year
52:33at sports grid on twitter and drs most of the public more than 59 saying that although travis hunter
52:40is an elite wide receiver they think he is more likely to win defensive rookie of the year more than
52:4759 of the vote it's the way that i selected as well how did drs vote in the fade the public poll
52:53i think the public got it wrong here like i voted for offense at 41 more likely to win offensive
52:59because also a defender it's usually tackles and it's usually sacks that will get you up there
53:04not interceptions because if you're a good cornerback you don't even get a chance to make
53:08interceptions we look to throw to the other side and also understand this i take a lot out of
53:13how teams initially use their prospect now we're just in the first few days of training camp and
53:18you just heard liam cohen explain what they're trying to do now in the otas we didn't hear
53:23anything about defense travis get over there on offense start to learn the offensive playbook because
53:26technically that is harder than learning the defensive playbook he's an unbelievably talented
53:31cornerback a lot easier just to say go play defense and offense we need you extra time but also at the
53:35same like i do think there's a chance that he plays more offensive snaps than defensive snaps this year
53:40but we won't know that we'll know throughout training camp and they're not going to tell you
53:44hey you know game number one plan uh whatever team we're playing here's exactly the way we're using
53:48travis hunter use that information accordingly they're not going to do that but i would have my
53:52spots to be like i thought coming into the nfl travis hunter should be a full-time defenseman
53:57defensive player at cornerback play there lock it down and then you know what sometimes during the
54:04first quarter maybe during the second quarter two minutes real third quarter if we're down fourth
54:08quarter four down you're actually going to go both ways and play wide receiver because we need you
54:11you're that talented but i just don't know if it makes sense like the way they're going to deploy
54:15him early on is what like more offense than defense more defense than offense they're working that
54:20through but for me it's more likely to an offensive play because he could be a thousand yard wide
54:24receiver he could catch 10 touchdown passes which will put you in that realm of being offensive rookie
54:29of the year defensive rookie of the year what does he have to do i don't know play all 17 games
54:33intercept seven or eight passes at this point to win that as opposed to a sack artist that might be
54:38able to get eight or nine sacks that automatically gets the bump over the defensive back i just think
54:43it's offense where he's going to get it done as opposed to defense a slightly better price to win
54:48offensive rookie of the year at nine to one third best number behind ashton genti who is the favorite
54:54in cam ward who is not all that far behind genti pretty good drop off to travis hunter a 10 to one
55:00price to win defensive rookie of the year tied for the third best number to win either plus 450 not
55:07sure i love that short number still from a betting perspective drs i have always thought of travis
55:14hunter as an elite lockdown cornerback a really good wide receiver but elite on the defensive side of
55:22the ball look at what he did during college they wouldn't throw the ball to his half of the field
55:27basically taking away a half of the turf because he would lock up your best wide receiver on the other
55:33side now he had the fifth most receiving yards last year he gets the job done he is a freak athlete
55:39and a performer it's what led to him winning the heisman trophy and we have heard from travis hunter
55:44himself that he wants to play both ways and if he's not allowed to he might quit the sport altogether
55:49i think jacksonville gives him that opportunity because of the individual specimen that he is i do
55:56wonder how much though how much is he going to play offensively and defensively played about 85 percent
56:04of the snaps last year overall from scrimmage for colorado not sure the number sees that in the nfl
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