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The story of Sir Thomas More, who stood up to King Henry VIII when the King rejected the Roman Catholic Church to obtain a divorce and remarry. Starring: Paul Scofield, Wendy Hiller, Leo McKern, Orson Welles, Robert Shaw, Susannah York.
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00:01:57north country and warned of a possible rebellion there. He did. We may say then that he showed
00:02:03himself hostile to the hopes of Spain. That's what I say. There, Whitney, Your Grace. If
00:02:10he opposes Spain, he supports us. Well, surely that follows, or do you see some third alternative?
00:02:18Well, that's the line-up, all right, and I may say, Thomas More... Thomas More will line
00:02:22up on the right side. Yes. Crank, he may be. Traitor, he's not. And with a little pressure,
00:02:28he can be got to say so. That's all we need, a brief declaration of loyalty through the
00:02:32present administration. Well, I still say let sleeping dogs lie. The king does not agree
00:02:39with you. Now, what sort of pressure do you think you can bring to bed? I have evidence
00:02:48that Sir Thomas, during his period of judicature, accepted bribes. What? God damn it, he's the
00:02:58only judge since Cato didn't accept bribes. When was there last a chancellor whose possessions,
00:03:05after three years in office, totaled one hundred pounds in a gold chain?
00:03:11Richard! It is, as you imply, a common practice, but a practice may be common and remain an
00:03:19offence. And this offence could send a man to the tower. I don't believe him. Ah, Richard,
00:03:24I believe you know his grace. Indeed, yes. We're old friends. You used to look after my books
00:03:28or something, didn't you? Thank you. This woman's name is Catherine Anger. She comes
00:03:36from Lincoln, and she put a case in the court of request. A property case, it was. Required.
00:03:42A property case in the court of request in April 1526. And got a wicked false judgment. And got
00:03:48an impeccably correct judgment from our friend Sir Thomas. No, sir, it was not. We are not concerned
00:03:54with the judgment, but with the gift you gave to the judge. Tell the gentleman about that. The
00:04:04judgment for what it was worth was the correct one. I sent him a cup. An Italian silver cup
00:04:12that I bought in Lincoln for a hundred shillings. Mr. Thomas accepts this cup.
00:04:19Well, I sent it. He did accept it. We can corroborate that. You may go. I want to go.
00:04:33Is that your witness? No. By an odd coincidence. The cup later came into the hands of Master Rich here.
00:04:41Huh. He gave it to me. Can you corroborate that? I have a fellow outside who can. He was more steward
00:04:50at the time. Shall I call him? Don't bother. I know him. When did Thomas give you this thing?
00:04:58I don't exactly remember. Well, make an effort. Wait. I can tell you. I can tell you. It was
00:05:11that spring. It was that evening that we were there together. You had a cup with you when we left.
00:05:16Was this it? It may have been. I can't. Did he often give you cups? I don't suppose so,
00:05:20Your Grace. This was it, then. Yes. And it was April. It was the April of 26th. The very month
00:05:29that cow first put her case before him. In other words, the moment he knew it was a bribe,
00:05:35he got rid of it. The facts will bear that interpretation, I suppose. This is a horse that
00:05:42won't run, Master Secretary. Just a trial canter, Your Grace. We'll find something better. Now,
00:05:50look here, Cromwell. I want no part of this. You have no choice. What's that you say? The King
00:05:57particularly wishes you to be active in this matter. Well, he hasn't told me that. Oh, indeed.
00:06:03Told me. But why? Well, we feel that since you are known to be a friend of Maw's, your participation
00:06:11will show that there is nothing in the nature of a persecution, but only the strict processes
00:06:17of the law, as indeed you've just demonstrated. Now, I'll tell the King of your loyalty to
00:06:24your friend. If you like, I'll tell him you want no part in it, too. Are you threatening
00:06:31me, Cromwell? My dear Norfolk, this isn't Spain.
00:06:41Secretary, I'm sorry. I'd completely forgotten that he was there that night. You must try
00:06:55to remember these things. Yes, Secretary. I'm sincerely sorry. Not such a fool as he looks,
00:07:00the Duke. That would hardly be possible, Secretary. Sir Thomas is going to be a slippery fish,
00:07:08Richard. We need a net with a finer mesh. Yes, Secretary. We'll weave one for him, shall
00:07:13we? You and I. I'm only anxious to do what is correct, Secretary. Oh, yes, Richard. I know
00:07:18you're absolutely right. It must be done by law. It's just a matter of finding the right
00:07:23law. Or making one. Bring my papers, will you?
00:07:27Could we have a word now, sir? We don't require you after all, Matthew. No, sir. But about
00:07:41the... Oh, yes. Well, I begin to need a steward, certainly. My household is expanding. But as I
00:07:51remember, Matthew, your attitude to me was sometimes disrespectful. Oh, I must contradict
00:07:57you there, sir. That's your imagination, sir. You see, in those days, sir, you still had
00:08:01your way to make. And a gentleman in that position often imagines these things. And then, when
00:08:05he's reached his proper level, he stops thinking about it. Well, I don't think you find people
00:08:09disrespectful nowadays, do you, sir? There may be something in that. Bring my papers.
00:08:15Yes. I'll permit no breath of insolence. No, I should hope not, sir. Well, I can manage
00:08:22this one. He's just my size. My husband is coming down, Your Excellency. Oh, thank you,
00:08:29madam. And I beg you to be gone before he does. Madam, I have a royal commission to perform.
00:08:35Aye, so you said. Sheer barbarity. Commend me to a good-hearted Englishwoman. It's very cold,
00:08:44excellency. Yes. I remember when these rooms were warm enough. Thus it is to incur the enmity
00:08:52of a king. A heretic king. Ah, Your Excellency. Ah, Sir Thomas. Is this another personal visit,
00:08:58or is it official? It falls between the two, Sir Thomas. Oh, official then? No. I bring a personal
00:09:07letter for you. From whom? From my master, King Charles. Why, you will take it. I will not lay a
00:09:15finger on it. But it is in no way in a fair estate. It expresses my master's admiration for the stand
00:09:22that you have taken over the so-called divorce of Queen Catherine. I have taken no stand. Well,
00:09:27no, Sir Thomas, but your views are well known. My views are much guessed at. Come, sir, could you
00:09:32undertake to convince King Harry that this letter is in no way in a fair estate? Oh, believe me,
00:09:37Sir Thomas, I have taken every precaution. I've come here very much incognito, very nearly in
00:09:42disguise. You misunderstand me, sir. It's not a matter of your precaution, but my duty, which would be to
00:09:48take that letter immediately to the King. But, Sir Thomas, your view. Now, well known, you say? Seems my
00:09:55loyalty to my King is less so. Look, Father. Will's getting more. Oh, well done. Well done. Oh, it's dry,
00:10:04too. It's bracken, Your Excellency. Let's burn it. Alice, look at this. I? Your Excellency, may I? This is a
00:10:15letter from the King of Spain. I want you to see it has not been opened. I have declined it. You see,
00:10:20the seal has not been broken. I wish I could ask you to stay, Your Excellency. The bracken fires are
00:10:25luxury. One I must forego. Come. May I say, I am sure my master's admiration will not be diminished.
00:10:40Luxury. Well, it is a luxury, while at last...
00:10:43I'm afraid there's not much sport in it for you, is there? Alice, that, uh, money from the bishops,
00:10:58I can't take it. I wish, heaven's how I wish I could, but I can't. I didn't think you would.
00:11:04Well, there are reasons, Alice. We couldn't come so deep into your confidences to know these reasons.
00:11:09Why a man in poverty can't take 4,000 pounds?
00:11:13This isn't poverty.
00:11:14You know what we're going to eat for dinner tonight?
00:11:16Yes, parsnips.
00:11:18Yes, parsnips. And a stinking mutton for a night's lady.
00:11:21Well, at the worst, we could be beggars and still keep company and be merry together.
00:11:26Ha ha. Merry.
00:11:28I'm merry.
00:11:29I think you should take that money.
00:11:32Don't you see if I'm paid by the church for my writings?
00:11:35Is it nothing to do with your writings? This was charity, pure and simple, collected from the clergy high and low.
00:11:41It would appear as payment.
00:11:43You're not a man who deals with appearances.
00:11:46How am I not, though?
00:11:47Now, if the king takes this any further, with me or with the church, it would be very bad if I even appear to have been in the pay of the church.
00:11:56Bad?
00:11:57If you will have it dangerous.
00:11:59You don't write against the king.
00:12:00I write. That's enough in times like these.
00:12:03But you said there was no danger.
00:12:04I don't think there is, and I don't want there to be.
00:12:07Sir Thomas, there's a gentleman here from Hampton Court.
00:12:11You're to go before Secretary Cromwell to answer certain charges.
00:12:15It's all right. We expected that.
00:12:19When?
00:12:20Now.
00:12:21Oh.
00:12:22Alice, that means nothing. That's just technique.
00:12:27Well, I suppose now means now.
00:12:31Will I come with you?
00:12:32Why?
00:12:33Oh, I'll be back for supper.
00:12:35I'll bring Cromwell back for supper, shall I?
00:12:37Ha ha ha.
00:12:38You don't serve him right.
00:12:39Oh, Father, don't be witty.
00:12:41Why not?
00:12:42Witt's what's in question.
00:12:44While we're witty, the devil may enter us unawares.
00:12:47Oh, he's not that devil, son Roper.
00:12:48He's a lawyer.
00:12:49In my case, he's watertight.
00:12:51You see, he's a very penetrating lawyer.
00:12:53Cromwell!
00:12:55He's a pragmatist.
00:12:57A mere mechanic.
00:13:11Sir Thomas.
00:13:24Sir Thomas.
00:13:24Richard.
00:13:25Richard.
00:13:36I'm sorry to invite you here at such short notice, Sir Thomas.
00:13:40It's good of you to come.
00:13:41Would you take a seat?
00:13:42I believe you know, Master Rich.
00:13:44Indeed, yes.
00:13:45We're all friends.
00:13:46That's a nice gown you have, Richard.
00:13:50Master Rich will make a record of our conversation.
00:13:55Good of you to tell me, Master Secretary.
00:13:57Believe me, Sir Thomas.
00:13:59No, that's asking too much.
00:14:01But let me tell you all the same.
00:14:04You have no more sincere admirer than myself.
00:14:08Not yet, Rich.
00:14:10Not yet.
00:14:13If I might hear the charges.
00:14:15Charges?
00:14:16I understand there are certain charges.
00:14:17Some ambiguities of behavior I should like to clarify.
00:14:21Hardly charges.
00:14:22Make a note of that, will you, Master Rich?
00:14:24There are no charges.
00:14:26Sir Thomas.
00:14:27Sir Thomas, you know.
00:14:28It amazes me that you, who were once so effective in the world
00:14:33and are now so much retired from it,
00:14:36should be opposing yourself against the whole movement of the times.
00:14:41It amazes me, too.
00:14:43The king is not pleased with you.
00:14:46I am grieved.
00:14:47And yet, do you know that even now,
00:14:50if you were able to bring yourself to agree with the bishops
00:14:52and the universities and the parliament of this realm,
00:14:55there is no honor that the king would be likely to deny you?
00:15:00I am well acquainted with his grace's generosity.
00:15:04Very well.
00:15:05You have heard of the so-called holy maid of Kent
00:15:12who was executed for prophesying against the king?
00:15:15Yes, I knew the poor woman.
00:15:18You sympathize with her?
00:15:20She was ignorant and misguided.
00:15:22She was a bit mad, I think,
00:15:24and she has paid for her folly.
00:15:25Naturally, I sympathize with her.
00:15:27You admit meeting her?
00:15:30You met her?
00:15:32And yet you did not warn his majesty of her treason?
00:15:35How was that?
00:15:36She spoke no treason.
00:15:37Now her conversation was not political.
00:15:39Oh, my dear Moore, the woman was notorious.
00:15:43You expect me to believe that?
00:15:45Happily, there are witnesses.
00:15:51You have been cautious.
00:15:54I like to keep my affairs regular.
00:15:56Sir Thomas, there is a more serious charge.
00:16:01Charge?
00:16:02For want of a better word.
00:16:04In the May of 1526,
00:16:08the king published a book,
00:16:10a theological work.
00:16:12It was entitled
00:16:14A Defense of the Seven Sacraments.
00:16:16Yes, for which he was named
00:16:18Defender of the Faith by His Holiness the Pope.
00:16:21By the Bishop of Rome,
00:16:22or do you insist on Pope?
00:16:24No, Bishop of Rome, if you like.
00:16:27It doesn't alter his authority.
00:16:30You've come to the point very readily.
00:16:31What is that authority
00:16:33with regard to the church in other parts of Europe,
00:16:36for example, the church in England?
00:16:38What exactly is the Bishop of Rome's authority?
00:16:42You will find it very ably set forth
00:16:44and defended, Master Secretary,
00:16:45in the king's book.
00:16:47The book published under the king's name
00:16:49would be more accurate.
00:16:51You wrote this book.
00:16:52I wrote no part of it.
00:16:54I do not mean that you actually held the pen.
00:16:57I nearly answered to the best of my ability
00:16:59certain questions on canon law
00:17:01which His Majesty put to me,
00:17:03as I was bound to do.
00:17:05Do you deny that you instigated it?
00:17:08It was from first to last the king's own project.
00:17:12This is trivial, Master Cromwell.
00:17:13Oh, I should not think so
00:17:15if I were in your place.
00:17:18Only two people know the truth of the matter,
00:17:21myself and the king.
00:17:22Whatever he may have said to you,
00:17:24he will not give evidence
00:17:25to support this accusation.
00:17:27Why not?
00:17:28Because evidence is given on oath
00:17:30and he will not perjure himself.
00:17:33If you don't know that,
00:17:35you don't yet know him.
00:17:43Sir Thomas More,
00:17:47is there anything that you wish to say to me
00:17:50concerning the king's marriage with Queen Anne?
00:17:53I understood I was not to be asked that again.
00:17:56Evidently, you understood wrongly.
00:17:58These charges...
00:18:00Are terrors for children, Master Cromwell, not me!
00:18:02I charge you with great ingratitude.
00:18:12I remind you of the many benefits
00:18:14graciously given and ill-received.
00:18:16I tell you that no king of England
00:18:18ever had nor could have
00:18:20so villainous a servant
00:18:21nor so traitorous a subject as yourself.
00:18:26These are not my words, Sir Thomas.
00:18:28They are the king's.
00:18:29Yes, I recognize the style.
00:18:37So, I am brought here at last.
00:18:40Brought?
00:18:41You brought yourself to where you are now.
00:18:44Yes.
00:18:46Still, in another sense, I was brought.
00:18:49Oh, yes.
00:18:50You may go home now.
00:18:55Or the present.
00:18:59I don't like him as well as I did.
00:19:10There's a man who raises a gale
00:19:12and won't come out of harbour.
00:19:14Do you still think that you can frighten him?
00:19:17Oh, yes.
00:19:18Well, what will you do now, then?
00:19:19Oh, be quiet, Rich.
00:19:20We'll do whatever's necessary.
00:19:22The king is a man of conscience.
00:19:25He wants either Sir Thomas More
00:19:26to bless his marriage
00:19:27or Sir Thomas More destroyed.
00:19:29Either will do.
00:19:31They seem odd alternatives, Secretary.
00:19:33Yeah, do they?
00:19:34That's because you are not a man of conscience.
00:19:37If the king destroys a man,
00:19:39that is proof to the king
00:19:40that it must have been a bad man.
00:19:42The kind of man a man of conscience
00:19:44ought to destroy.
00:19:45And, of course, a bad man's blessings
00:19:48is not worth having, so.
00:19:52Either will do.
00:19:54I see.
00:19:55Oh, there's no going back, Rich.
00:19:58I find we've made ourselves
00:19:59the keepers of this conscience.
00:20:03And it's ravenous.
00:20:04Boat!
00:20:13Boat!
00:20:14Boatman!
00:20:15Boat?
00:20:16Boatman!
00:20:18God.
00:20:20It can't be as bad as that.
00:20:23Boatman!
00:20:25Howard, I can't get home.
00:20:27They won't bring me a boat.
00:20:28You blaming them?
00:20:30It is as bad as that.
00:20:31It's every bit as bad as that.
00:20:33And it's good of you
00:20:34to be seen with me.
00:20:36I followed you.
00:20:37Were you followed?
00:20:39Probably.
00:20:41So listen to what I have to say.
00:20:43You're behaving like a fool.
00:20:45You're behaving like a quank.
00:20:47You're not behaving like a gentleman.
00:20:49All right.
00:20:50I know that means nothing to you,
00:20:51but what about your friends?
00:20:52What about...
00:20:52God damn it,
00:20:53you're dangerous to know!
00:20:55Then don't know me.
00:20:58Look, there's one thing, Father.
00:21:00You must have realized by now
00:21:02that there's a policy
00:21:04in regards to you.
00:21:05The king is using me in it.
00:21:09Oh, that's clever.
00:21:11That's Cromwell.
00:21:13You're between the upper
00:21:15and the nether millstones there.
00:21:16I am.
00:21:19Howard,
00:21:19you must cease to know me.
00:21:21I do know you.
00:21:22I wish to God I didn't,
00:21:24but I don't.
00:21:25I mean as a friend.
00:21:26You are my friend.
00:21:28I can't relieve you
00:21:29of your obedience to the king, Howard.
00:21:31You must relieve yourself
00:21:32of our friendship.
00:21:33No one is safe now.
00:21:34You have a son.
00:21:36You might just as well advise a man
00:21:37to change the color of his hair.
00:21:40I'm front of you
00:21:41and there it is.
00:21:41You're front of me
00:21:42and there it is.
00:21:43What's to be done then?
00:21:45Give in.
00:21:46I can't give in.
00:21:49You might as well advise a man
00:21:50to change the color of his eyes.
00:21:52I can't, Howard.
00:21:53Our friendship's more mutable than that.
00:21:56Oh, so the one fixed point
00:21:58in a world of changing friendships
00:22:00is that Thomas More
00:22:01will not give in.
00:22:03For me it has to be.
00:22:04That's myself.
00:22:06Affection runs as deep in me
00:22:07as you, I think.
00:22:08But only God is love right through, Howard.
00:22:11That's myself.
00:22:12And who are you?
00:22:13Oh, damn it, man.
00:22:16It's disproportionate.
00:22:17We're supposed to be
00:22:18the arrogant ones,
00:22:19the proud, splenetic ones,
00:22:21and we've all given in.
00:22:22Why must you stand out?
00:22:29You'll break my heart.
00:22:33Let's do it now, Howard.
00:22:36We'll part his friends
00:22:37and meet his strangers.
00:22:39Daft, Thomas.
00:22:40Why do you want to take
00:22:41your friendship from me?
00:22:42For friendship's sake?
00:22:45You say we'll meet as strangers
00:22:46and every word you say
00:22:48confirms our friendship.
00:22:49That can be remedied.
00:22:51I don't think you are a fool.
00:22:55You can't place a quarrel
00:22:57you have at that style.
00:22:58No, no, hear me out.
00:23:00You and your class
00:23:01have given in,
00:23:02as you rightly call it,
00:23:03because the religion
00:23:03of this country
00:23:04means nothing to you
00:23:05one way or the other.
00:23:06That's a foolish saying
00:23:08for a start.
00:23:09The nobility of England
00:23:10The nobility of England,
00:23:11my lord,
00:23:12would have snored
00:23:12through the sermon
00:23:13on the mount.
00:23:15Yet you labor like saints
00:23:17over some rat dog's pedigree.
00:23:19What's the name
00:23:20of those distorted creatures
00:23:22you're all breeding
00:23:22at the moment?
00:23:23An artificial quarrel
00:23:24is not a quarrel.
00:23:26Don't deceive yourself,
00:23:27my lord.
00:23:27We've had a quarrel
00:23:28since the day we met.
00:23:29You can be cruel
00:23:31when you have a mind to me.
00:23:33But I've always known that.
00:23:34Hey, what do you call
00:23:35those dogs, though?
00:23:36Marsh, mastiffs,
00:23:38bog, beagles?
00:23:39Water, spaniels.
00:23:41What would you do
00:23:42with a water spaniel
00:23:43that was afraid of water?
00:23:44You'd drown it!
00:23:45Well, as a spaniel is to water,
00:23:48so is a man to his own self.
00:23:50I will not give in
00:23:51because I oppose it.
00:23:52I do.
00:23:53Not my pride,
00:23:53not my spleen,
00:23:54nor any other
00:23:55of my appetites,
00:23:56but I do.
00:23:57I!
00:23:58Is there no single sinew
00:24:03in the midst of this
00:24:04that serves no appetite
00:24:05of Norfolk's
00:24:06but is just Norfolk?
00:24:07There is.
00:24:09Give that some exercise,
00:24:10my lord.
00:24:10Thomas!
00:24:12Because as you stand,
00:24:14you'll go before your maker
00:24:15in a very ill condition.
00:24:17Steady, Thomas.
00:24:18And you'll have to think
00:24:19that somewhere back
00:24:20along your pedigree
00:24:21a bitch got over the wall.
00:24:22Oh!
00:24:28Father, what was that?
00:24:38That was Norfolk.
00:24:40Do you know, sir?
00:24:41Have you heard?
00:24:43What?
00:24:44Have you told him?
00:24:45We've been looking for you, father.
00:24:47There's to be a new act
00:24:47through Parliament, sir.
00:24:49Act?
00:24:49Yes, sir.
00:24:49About the marriage.
00:24:50Father, by this act
00:24:52they're going to administer
00:24:54an oath.
00:24:55An oath?
00:24:57On what compulsion?
00:24:58It's expected to be treason.
00:25:00What is the oath?
00:25:01It's about the marriage, sir.
00:25:03What is the wording?
00:25:04We don't need to know
00:25:05the wording.
00:25:05We know what it'll mean.
00:25:06It'll mean what the words say.
00:25:08An oath is made of words.
00:25:09It may be possible
00:25:09to take it
00:25:10and to avoid it.
00:25:11If I can, I will.
00:25:12Do we have a copy of the bill?
00:25:13There's one coming out
00:25:14from the city.
00:25:15Oh, that's...
00:25:16Oh.
00:25:17I've no boat.
00:25:18Oh, father, he hit you.
00:25:20Yes, I spoke slidingly
00:25:23of water spaniels.
00:25:26Come on.
00:25:26But, sir...
00:25:27Will, you listen.
00:25:29God made the angels
00:25:30to show him splendor.
00:25:31What man he made
00:25:32to serve him wittily
00:25:34in the tangle of his mind.
00:25:37Our natural business
00:25:38lies in escaping.
00:25:40So let's get home
00:25:41and study this bill.
00:25:43Now, look.
00:26:10Jailor.
00:26:11It's a job.
00:26:14The pay scale
00:26:15being what it is,
00:26:16they get a rather common
00:26:17type of man
00:26:17in the prison service,
00:26:18but it's a job
00:26:19like any other job.
00:26:21A bit nearer
00:26:22than up to the most,
00:26:22perhaps.
00:26:25But it's a job.
00:26:27I don't suppose
00:26:27anyone enjoyed it
00:26:28any more than he did.
00:26:30Well, not much more.
00:26:32They'd have let him out
00:26:32if they could,
00:26:33but for various reasons,
00:26:35they can't.
00:26:35I'd have let him out
00:26:37if I could,
00:26:37but I can't.
00:26:38Not without taking up
00:26:39residence in there myself.
00:26:41And if he's in there already,
00:26:43what's the point?
00:26:44The old Addy says,
00:26:46better a live rat
00:26:47than a dead lion.
00:26:49Sir Thomas,
00:26:50wake up.
00:26:50Oh, not again.
00:26:58Sorry, sir.
00:26:59Oh, what time is it?
00:27:01One o'clock, sir.
00:27:02Oh, this is iniquity.
00:27:06Sir.
00:27:08Who's there?
00:27:09The secretary,
00:27:10the duke,
00:27:10and the archbishop.
00:27:12I'm flattered.
00:27:13The seat for the prisoner.
00:27:26Do the witnesses attend?
00:27:28Oh, sir, secretary.
00:27:28Right, stand together.
00:27:30This is the seventh commission
00:27:32to inquire into the case
00:27:33of Sir Thomas More,
00:27:35appointed by His Majesty's Council.
00:27:36Do you have anything to say?
00:27:38No.
00:27:39Sir, secretary.
00:27:40Sir Thomas.
00:27:43You have seen this document before?
00:27:46Many times.
00:27:47It is the act of succession.
00:27:48These are the names
00:27:49of those who have sworn to it.
00:27:51I have, as you say,
00:27:52seen it before.
00:27:54Will you swear to it?
00:27:56No.
00:27:57Thomas, we must know plainly.
00:27:58Your grace, please.
00:28:00I'm trying to...
00:28:01Master Cromwell!
00:28:04I beg your gracious pardon.
00:28:08Thomas, we must know plainly
00:28:10whether you recognize
00:28:12the offspring of Queen Anne
00:28:14as heirs to His Majesty.
00:28:15The king in Parliament
00:28:16tells me that they are.
00:28:17Of course I recognize them.
00:28:19Will you swear that you do?
00:28:21Yes.
00:28:21Then why can't you swear to the act?
00:28:24Because there is more than that
00:28:26in the act.
00:28:29Is that it?
00:28:32Yes.
00:28:33Let's find out what it is
00:28:34in the act that he objects to.
00:28:37Brilliant.
00:28:37Oh, God's wounds!
00:28:39Your grace, may I try?
00:28:42Sir, I have no pretensions
00:28:44to be an expert in police work.
00:28:47Sir Thomas, it states in the preamble
00:28:50that the king's former marriage
00:28:51to the Lady Catherine was unlawful,
00:28:53she being previously his brother's wife,
00:28:56and the Pope having no authority
00:28:59to sanction it.
00:29:00Is that what you deny?
00:29:01Is that what you dispute?
00:29:07Is that what you are not sure of?
00:29:14Thomas, you insult the king
00:29:16and his counsel
00:29:17in the person of the Lord Archbishop.
00:29:19I insult no one.
00:29:20I will not take the oath.
00:29:21I will not tell you why I will not.
00:29:23Then your reasons must be treasonable.
00:29:25Not must be.
00:29:27Maybe.
00:29:28It's a fair assumption.
00:29:29The law requires more than an assumption.
00:29:31The law requires a fact.
00:29:35I cannot judge your legal standing in the case,
00:29:38but until I know the ground of your objections,
00:29:40I can only guess your spiritual standing, too.
00:29:44If you're willing to guess it,
00:29:45that's your grace.
00:29:45It should be a small matter
00:29:47to guess it, my objections.
00:29:48You do have objections to the act.
00:29:51Oh, we know that, Bromwell.
00:29:54You don't, your Lord.
00:29:55You may suppose I have objections.
00:29:56All you know is that I will not swear.
00:29:59From sheer delight to give you trouble,
00:30:01it might be.
00:30:02Is it material why you want?
00:30:04No, it's most material.
00:30:06For refusing to swear,
00:30:07my goods are forfeited
00:30:08and I am condemned to life imprisonment.
00:30:10You cannot lawfully harm me further.
00:30:13But if you were right
00:30:14in supposing I had reasons for refusing,
00:30:17and right again in supposing
00:30:18those reasons to be treasonable,
00:30:20the law would let you cut my head off.
00:30:22Oh, yes.
00:30:26Oh, well done, Sir Thomas.
00:30:27I've been trying to make that clear
00:30:29to his grace for some time.
00:30:31I've found all this.
00:30:33I've no, I'm no scholar,
00:30:35as Master Cromwell never ceases to remind me.
00:30:38And frankly, I don't know whether
00:30:40the marriage is legal or not.
00:30:43But damn it, Thomas, look at those knaves.
00:30:45Why can't you do what I did
00:30:47and come with us to fellowship?
00:30:51And when we stand before God
00:30:53and you are sent to paradise
00:30:54for doing according to your conscience,
00:30:57and I am damned for not doing according to mine,
00:31:00will you come with me for fellowship?
00:31:06So those of us whose names are there
00:31:08are damned, Sir Thomas?
00:31:10I don't know, Your Grace.
00:31:12I've no window to look into another man's soul.
00:31:14I condemn no one.
00:31:16No, I will not, Sir.
00:31:18Then you have more regard to your own doubt
00:31:20than you have to the King's command.
00:31:22For myself, I have no doubt at all.
00:31:24No doubt?
00:31:25Of what?
00:31:27No doubt of my reasons for refusing this oath.
00:31:29Reasons I will reveal to the King alone
00:31:31in which you, Master Cromwell,
00:31:33will not trick out of me.
00:31:35Thomas!
00:31:36My gentleman, can't I go to bed?
00:31:38You don't seem to appreciate
00:31:39the seriousness of your position.
00:31:41I defy any man to live in that hole for a year
00:31:44and not appreciate the seriousness of his position.
00:31:46Yet the state has harsher punishments.
00:31:48You threaten like a dockside bully.
00:31:50How should I threaten?
00:31:51Like a minister of state with justice.
00:31:53Oh, justice is what you're threatened with.
00:31:57Then I'm not threatened.
00:31:59Master Cromwell.
00:32:01I think the prisoner may retire, as he requests.
00:32:08Unless you, my lord...
00:32:09No, no.
00:32:10I see no purpose in prolonging the interview.
00:32:12Oh, yes.
00:32:19Thomas.
00:32:21Good night.
00:32:22Oh, might I have one or two more books?
00:32:34You have books?
00:32:36Yes.
00:32:38I didn't know.
00:32:39You shouldn't have.
00:32:40I don't know.
00:32:40You shouldn't have.
00:32:52May I see my family?
00:32:54Now.
00:33:04Yes, sir.
00:33:06Sir.
00:33:08Have you ever heard the prisoner speak of the king's divorce
00:33:12or the king's supremacy of the church or the king's marriage?
00:33:15No, sir.
00:33:15It's not a word.
00:33:16If you do, you will, of course, report it to the lieutenant.
00:33:18Well, of course.
00:33:19You will swear an oath to that effect.
00:33:21Certainly, sir.
00:33:22Archbishop.
00:33:23Place your left hand here.
00:33:25Raise your right hand.
00:33:26Take your hat off!
00:33:29Now, stay after me.
00:33:31I swear by my immortal soul...
00:33:32I swear by my immortal soul...
00:33:34...that I will report truly...
00:33:35...that I will report truly...
00:33:35...anything said by Sir Thomas More...
00:33:37...anything said by Sir Thomas More...
00:33:38...against the king, the council...
00:33:40...the state of the realm...
00:33:41...so help me, God, amen.
00:33:43And there's 50 guineas in it, if you do.
00:33:46That's not to tempt you into perjury, my man.
00:33:51Oh, no.
00:33:5450 guineas isn't tempting.
00:33:5650 guineas is alarming.
00:33:57If they'd left it a swearing, but 50...
00:33:59...that's serious money.
00:34:00If it's worth that now, it's worth my neck presently.
00:34:03I want no part of it.
00:34:04Let them sort it out between them.
00:34:06I feel my deafness coming on.
00:34:07Ridge.
00:34:08Secretary.
00:34:08Tomorrow morning, remove the prisoner's books.
00:34:12Is that necessary?
00:34:13Nor, Perkins.
00:34:14With regards to this case, the king is becoming impatient.
00:34:18Aye.
00:34:19With you.
00:34:20With all of us.
00:34:21And you know the king's impatience.
00:34:24How commodious it is.
00:34:33Secretary.
00:34:34Yes.
00:34:34Sir Reddler's Llewellyn has retired.
00:34:38What?
00:34:39The attorney general for Wales.
00:34:41His post is vacant.
00:34:42You said that I might approach you.
00:34:43You're not.
00:34:44Now, Ridge.
00:34:47I must submit.
00:34:49The alternatives are bad.
00:34:50While Moore's alive, the king's conscience breaks into fresh, stinking flowers.
00:34:54Every time he gets him, he's bad.
00:34:56And if I bring about Moore's death, I plant my own, I think.
00:35:02There's no other good solution.
00:35:05He must submit.
00:35:07Wake up, Sir Thomas.
00:35:18Huh?
00:35:19Oh.
00:35:20Your family's here.
00:35:22Huh?
00:35:23Who's?
00:35:24Oh, Margaret.
00:35:29Father.
00:35:30Let me out of this.
00:35:31Let me out.
00:35:32Yes, I'm allowed to let you out.
00:35:39Good morning, sir.
00:35:40Oh, good morning.
00:35:42Good morning, Margaret.
00:35:44Good morning.
00:35:47Good morning.
00:35:48My God, Meg, they've not put you in here, too?
00:35:51No, sir.
00:35:51Just a visit.
00:35:52A short visit.
00:35:59Hellish.
00:36:02How'd you do?
00:36:06As well as need be.
00:36:08I'm very happy now.
00:36:10Well.
00:36:11This is an awful place.
00:36:13Oh, it's not so bad, except for keeping me from you, my dears.
00:36:18It's remarkably like any other place.
00:36:22Drips.
00:36:22Yeah, it's too near the river.
00:36:29We've brought you some things.
00:36:30Oh.
00:36:30Some cheese.
00:36:34Oh, cheese.
00:36:35And a custard.
00:36:36And a custard.
00:36:37And a bottle of wine.
00:36:39Oh.
00:36:42Is it good, son?
00:36:43I don't know, sir.
00:36:47Well.
00:36:48Sir, come out.
00:37:01Swear to the act.
00:37:03Take the oath and come out.
00:37:06Oh, dear.
00:37:09Is that why they let you come visit me?
00:37:12Yes.
00:37:12Meg's under oath to persuade you.
00:37:16That was very silly, Meg.
00:37:18How did you come to do that?
00:37:20I wanted to.
00:37:23You want me to swear to the act of succession?
00:37:26God more regards the thoughts of the heart than the words of the mouth.
00:37:30Or so you've always told me.
00:37:31And say the words of the oath.
00:37:33But in your heart, think otherwise.
00:37:36Now, what is an oath, then, but words we say to God?
00:37:38Oh, that's very neat.
00:37:39You mean it isn't true?
00:37:42No, it's true.
00:37:44Well, then it's a poor argument to call it neat.
00:37:47Meg, when a man takes an oath, he holds his own self in his two hands.
00:37:53It's like water.
00:37:56If he opens his fingers, he needn't look to find himself again.
00:38:00Some men aren't capable of this.
00:38:02I think you'd be sorry to find your father one of them.
00:38:07In any state that was half good, you would be raised up high.
00:38:11Not here for what you've done already.
00:38:13It's not your fault the state's three quarters bad.
00:38:15No.
00:38:16Then if you elect to suffer for it, you elect yourself a hero.
00:38:21Oh, now that is very neat.
00:38:22Now, but look, if we lived in a state where virtue was profitable,
00:38:26common sense would make us good and greed would make us saintly, huh?
00:38:30We'd all live like animals or angels in a happy land that needs no heroes.
00:38:35But since, in fact, we find that we have to choose to be human at all,
00:38:42then perhaps we must stand fast a little, even at the risk of being heroes.
00:38:47What reason?
00:38:49Haven't you done as much as God can reasonably want?
00:38:52Finally, it isn't a question of reason.
00:38:54Finally, it's a question of love.
00:38:56Then you're content to stay here, should look with mice and rats,
00:39:01when you might be home with us.
00:39:03Content?
00:39:05If they'd open a crack that wide, I'd be through it like a bird in home.
00:39:09Well, has Eve run out of apples, then?
00:39:16I've not yet told you what the house is like without you.
00:39:19Don't, Meg.
00:39:21What we do in the evenings now that you're not there.
00:39:25Meg, have done.
00:39:26We sit in the dark because we've no candles.
00:39:31And we've no talk because we're wondering what they're doing to you here.
00:39:36Now, the king's more merciful than you.
00:39:38He doesn't use the rack.
00:39:40Two minutes to go, sir.
00:39:42I thought you'd like to know.
00:39:43Two minutes?
00:39:43Until seven o'clock, sir.
00:39:45Sorry, two minutes.
00:39:46Jailor?
00:39:47Jailor?
00:39:48Jailor?
00:39:49Will, go to me.
00:39:53Talk to me.
00:39:54Keep him occupied.
00:39:55How, sir?
00:39:55Well, anyhow, do you have any money?
00:39:58Yes.
00:39:58Now, wait.
00:39:58Don't try to bribe him.
00:40:00Let him pay for it.
00:40:01He's got a pair of dice in it.
00:40:02Talk to him.
00:40:03You understand?
00:40:04Wait.
00:40:05Here.
00:40:06Take the wine.
00:40:07Then mind you, share it, Will.
00:40:09Do it properly now.
00:40:14You must leave the country.
00:40:16All of you must leave the country at once.
00:40:18I'll leave you here.
00:40:19It makes no difference, Meg.
00:40:21They won't let you see me again.
00:40:23You must leave it the same day, but not the same boat.
00:40:25Different boats from different ports.
00:40:27What's of a trial, then?
00:40:28There'll be no trial.
00:40:29They have no case.
00:40:31Do this for me.
00:40:32I beseech you.
00:40:36Yes.
00:40:37Alice.
00:40:39Alice, I command you.
00:40:43Right.
00:40:45Right.
00:40:46This is splendid.
00:40:52I know who packed this.
00:40:54I packed it.
00:40:55Yes.
00:40:55You do make such a cruelty of custard, Alice.
00:41:01Right.
00:41:04That's a nice dress you've got on.
00:41:07That's my cooking dress.
00:41:08Well, it's very nice anyway, sir.
00:41:11Nice colour.
00:41:12By God, you think very little of me.
00:41:16I know I'm a fool.
00:41:17And I'm no such fool as in a time like this to be lamented from my dresses or to relish
00:41:22being complimented on my custard.
00:41:23I am faint when I think of the worst that they may do to me.
00:41:38But worse than that would be to go with you not understanding why I go.
00:41:44I don't.
00:41:46Alice, if you tell me that you understand, I think I can make a good death if I have to.
00:41:52Your death's no good to me.
00:41:53Alice, you must tell me that you understand.
00:41:56I don't.
00:41:57I don't believe it had to happen.
00:41:59If you say that, Alice, I don't see how I'm to face it.
00:42:03That's the truth.
00:42:04You're an honest woman.
00:42:07Well, she couldn't make it to me.
00:42:09I'll tell you what I'm afraid of, that when you're gone, I'll hate you for it.
00:42:13Well, you mustn't, Alice, that's all.
00:42:16You simply mustn't.
00:42:19Oh, it's for understanding.
00:42:37I understand this, that you're the best man I've ever met, and I may the like be to.
00:42:41And if you do go, well, God knows why, I suppose.
00:42:45Oh, it's God's my witness.
00:42:46God's got deathly quiet about it.
00:42:48And if anyone wants my opinion about the king and his counsel, all they've got to do is ask me for it.
00:42:56Why, it's a lion I marry.
00:43:01A lion.
00:43:06You know, you must get them to take some of that custard to Bishop Fisher.
00:43:12He's in the upper gallery.
00:43:13I made it for you.
00:43:14I didn't make it for Bishop Fisher.
00:43:16Can't you do as I ask?
00:43:18Can you say what you like?
00:43:22That's good custard.
00:43:24It's very, very good.
00:43:27No good, sir.
00:43:28I know what you're up to, and it can't be done.
00:43:29Another minute, ma'am.
00:43:30Sorry, sir.
00:43:31Time's up.
00:43:32For pity, sir.
00:43:32Don't do that, sir.
00:43:34Sir Thomas, the ledgers will have to go now.
00:43:36You said seven o'clock.
00:43:38It's seven o'clock now, sir.
00:43:39You must understand my position.
00:43:40One minute more.
00:43:41Just a little while, just a little while.
00:43:43Now then, miss, you don't want to get me into trouble.
00:43:45Don't do as it at all.
00:43:46Don't be up at once.
00:43:47Now, come along, miss.
00:43:48You get your father into trouble as well as me.
00:43:50Are you obstructing me, sir?
00:43:51Now then, m'lady, no trouble.
00:44:00Don't you.
00:44:00Oh, you take your muddy hands off me.
00:44:03I'm going to call the guard, then.
00:44:04Then come on.
00:44:05For God's sake, man, we're saying goodbye.
00:44:07You don't know what you're asking, sir.
00:44:08You don't know how you're watched.
00:44:09You filthy, stinking, gutter-brick, tonke.
00:44:13Call me what you like, ma'am.
00:44:14You've got to go.
00:44:15I'll make you suffer for this.
00:44:16You're doing your husband no good.
00:44:18Alice, goodbye.
00:44:25Never.
00:44:46You understand my position, sir.
00:44:50There's nothing I can do.
00:44:52I'm a plain, simple man.
00:44:53Just want to keep out of trouble.
00:44:56Sweet Jesus!
00:45:02These plain, simple men.
00:45:04These plain, simple men.
00:45:34Where are you going?
00:45:53Well, I'm, uh, I'm finished here, sir.
00:45:55You're foreman of the jury.
00:45:57Oh, no!
00:46:00Foreman of the jury.
00:46:02Just a cap pit.
00:46:03Come on in, be upstanding.
00:46:15It's Greece, the Duke of Norfolk.
00:46:17Earl Marshal of England.
00:46:19Come on.
00:46:19Come on.
00:46:33Call the prisoner.
00:46:38Bring in the prisoner.
00:46:40Bring in the prisoner.
00:46:40Mr. Thomas Moore,
00:47:09you have been called before us here in the Great Hall of Westminster
00:47:13to answer charge of high treason.
00:47:16Nevertheless, and though you have grievously offended the King's Majesty,
00:47:22we hope that you will even now forethink and repent your obstinate opinions.
00:47:27You may still taste his gracious pardon.
00:47:31My lords, I thank you.
00:47:33Howbeit I pray God will keep me in this,
00:47:36my honest mind to the last hour I shall live.
00:47:40As for the matters you may charge me with,
00:47:42I fear owing to my present weakness
00:47:45that neither my wit nor my memory will serve to make sufficient answer.
00:47:49I should be glad to sit down.
00:47:52Be seated.
00:47:53Master Secretary Cromwell, have you the charge?
00:47:56I have, my lord.
00:47:58Then read the charge.
00:47:59That you did conspire traitorously and maliciously
00:48:05to deny and deprive our liege Lord Henry
00:48:08of his undoubted certain title,
00:48:11Supreme Head of the Church of England.
00:48:13I have never denied this title.
00:48:15You refused the oath when tendered you at the Tower and elsewhere.
00:48:19Silence is not denial.
00:48:20For my silence I am punished with imprisonment.
00:48:23Why have I been called again?
00:48:25Once a charge of high treason, Sir Thomas.
00:48:27For which the punishment is not imprisonment.
00:48:34Death comes for us all, my lords.
00:48:37Yes, even for kings he comes.
00:48:39Amidst their royalty and strength
00:48:41he will not kneel nor make them any reverence,
00:48:43but roughly grasp them by the throat
00:48:45and rattle them till they be stocked dead.
00:48:47Treason enough here?
00:48:57The death of kings is not in question, Sir Thomas.
00:49:01Now mine I trust until I'm proven guilty.
00:49:03Your life lies in your own hands, Thomas,
00:49:06as it always has.
00:49:09And so, Sir Thomas,
00:49:11you stand upon your silence.
00:49:14I do.
00:49:15But, gentlemen of the jury,
00:49:20there are many kinds of silence.
00:49:24Consider first the silence of a man
00:49:26when he is dead.
00:49:29Let us say we go into a room
00:49:31where he is lying
00:49:32and let us say
00:49:32it is the dead of night.
00:49:35There's nothing like darkness
00:49:36for sharpening the ear.
00:49:38And we listen.
00:49:39What do we hear?
00:49:40Silence.
00:49:41What does it betoken, this silence?
00:49:44Nothing.
00:49:45This is silence pure and simple.
00:49:48But consider another case.
00:49:50Suppose I were
00:49:51to draw a dagger from my sleeve
00:49:54and make to kill the prisoner with it.
00:49:57And suppose their lordships here,
00:50:00instead of crying out for me to stop
00:50:02or crying out for help to stop me,
00:50:05maintained their silence.
00:50:08That would betoken.
00:50:10That would betoken
00:50:11a willingness that I should do it.
00:50:14And under the law,
00:50:15they would be guilty with me.
00:50:20So silence can,
00:50:22according to circumstances,
00:50:24speak.
00:50:24Consider now
00:50:26the circumstances
00:50:28of the prisoner's silence.
00:50:30The oath was put
00:50:31to good and faithful subjects
00:50:33up and down the country
00:50:34and they declared
00:50:36his grace's title
00:50:37to be just and good.
00:50:39Yet when he came to the prisoner,
00:50:41he refused.
00:50:43He calls this silence.
00:50:45But is there a man in this court?
00:50:48Is there a man in this country
00:50:49who does not know
00:50:52Sir Thomas More's opinion
00:50:54of this title?
00:50:55Of course not.
00:50:57How can this be?
00:50:58Because this silence betokened,
00:51:01nay, this silence was,
00:51:04not silence at all,
00:51:06but a most eloquent denial.
00:51:08Not so, Master Secretary.
00:51:10The maxim is quittocit consentere.
00:51:12The maxim of the law
00:51:14is silence gives consent.
00:51:16If therefore you wish to know
00:51:17what my silence betokened you,
00:51:19must construe that I consented,
00:51:21not that I denied.
00:51:22Is that in fact
00:51:23what the world
00:51:24construes from it?
00:51:26Do you pretend
00:51:27that that is what you wish
00:51:28the world to construe from it?
00:51:30The world must construe
00:51:31according to its wits.
00:51:33This court must construe
00:51:34according to the law.
00:51:35I put it to the court.
00:51:37The prisoner
00:51:37is perverting the law,
00:51:40making smoky
00:51:41what should be a clear light
00:51:43to discover to the court
00:51:45his own wrongdoing.
00:51:46The law is not a light
00:51:47for you or any man
00:51:48to see by.
00:51:49The law is not an instrument
00:51:50of any kind.
00:51:52The law is a causeway
00:51:53upon which so long
00:51:54as he keep to it
00:51:55the citizen may walk safely.
00:51:57It matters of the conscience,
00:51:58the conscience,
00:51:59the conscience.
00:52:01The word is not familiar to you?
00:52:03By God, too familiar.
00:52:05I'm very used to hearing it
00:52:06in the mouths of criminals.
00:52:08I'm used to hear bad men
00:52:09misuse the name of God,
00:52:11yet God exists.
00:52:12It matters of the conscience.
00:52:13The loyal subject
00:52:14is bound more to be loyal
00:52:16to his conscience
00:52:16than to any other thing.
00:52:18And so provide a noble motive
00:52:20for his frivolous self-conceit.
00:52:22Not so, Master Cromwell,
00:52:24but for my own soul.
00:52:25Your own self, you mean?
00:52:27Yes, a man's soul is his self.
00:52:28A miserable thing,
00:52:30whatever you call it,
00:52:31that lives like a bat
00:52:32in a Sunday school,
00:52:33a shrill, incessant pedagogue
00:52:35about its own salvation,
00:52:37but nothing to say
00:52:38about your place
00:52:39in the state,
00:52:41under the king,
00:52:42in a great native country.
00:52:44Is it my place
00:52:45to say yes
00:52:46to the state's sickness?
00:52:47Can I help my king
00:52:48by giving him lies
00:52:49when he asks for truth?
00:52:51Will you help England
00:52:52by populating her
00:52:53with liars?
00:53:00My lords,
00:53:01silence!
00:53:03Silence!
00:53:07My lords,
00:53:08I should like to call
00:53:11Sir Richard Rich.
00:53:16Call Sir Richard Rich.
00:53:19Call Sir Richard Rich!
00:53:21Call Sir Richard Rich!
00:53:38I do solemnly swear
00:53:43that the evidence
00:53:44I do solemnly swear
00:53:45that the evidence
00:53:46that I shall give
00:53:47before the court
00:53:48shall be the truth,
00:53:49the whole truth,
00:53:50and nothing but the truth.
00:53:53So help me God,
00:53:55Sir Richard.
00:53:59So help me God!
00:54:04Take your stand there,
00:54:05Sir Richard.
00:54:06Now, Rich,
00:54:13on the 12th of March
00:54:15you were at the tower.
00:54:17I was.
00:54:18With what purpose?
00:54:19I was sent
00:54:20to carry away
00:54:21the prisoner's books.
00:54:22And did you
00:54:23speak with the prisoner?
00:54:25Yes.
00:54:25And did you speak
00:54:26of the king's supremacy
00:54:29of the church?
00:54:31Yes.
00:54:31What did you say?
00:54:36I said to him,
00:54:38supposing there was
00:54:39an act of parliament
00:54:40to say that I,
00:54:42Richard Rich,
00:54:42were to become king,
00:54:44would not you,
00:54:45Master Moore,
00:54:45take me for king?
00:54:47Well, that I would,
00:54:48he said,
00:54:48for then you would be king.
00:54:52Yes.
00:54:53Then he said,
00:54:54The prisoner?
00:54:54Yes, my lord.
00:54:58Hmm.
00:54:59But I will put you
00:55:00a higher case.
00:55:02How,
00:55:02if there were
00:55:02an act of parliament
00:55:03to say that God
00:55:04should not be God?
00:55:06This is true.
00:55:06Then you said silence.
00:55:09Continue.
00:55:10I said,
00:55:11but I will put you
00:55:13a middle case.
00:55:15Parliament has made
00:55:16our king
00:55:16the head of the church.
00:55:18Why will you
00:55:19not accept him?
00:55:19Well?
00:55:25Then he said,
00:55:26that parliament
00:55:29had no power
00:55:29to do it.
00:55:32Repeat the prisoner's
00:55:33words.
00:55:34He said that parliament
00:55:35has not the competence
00:55:36or words to that effect.
00:55:40He denied the title.
00:55:45He did.
00:55:49You've got faith,
00:55:53Rich.
00:55:55I am sorrier
00:55:56for your perjury
00:55:57than my peril.
00:55:59You denied it?
00:56:00Yes.
00:56:02The lords,
00:56:02if I were a man
00:56:03who heeded not
00:56:04the taking of an oath,
00:56:05you know well
00:56:06I had no need
00:56:07to be here.
00:56:08Now I will
00:56:09take an oath.
00:56:10If what
00:56:11Master Rich
00:56:12has said
00:56:12is true,
00:56:13I pray
00:56:14I may never
00:56:15see God
00:56:15in the face
00:56:16which I would not
00:56:16say were it otherwise
00:56:17for anything on earth.
00:56:18That is not the evidence.
00:56:21Is it probable
00:56:22that after so long
00:56:23as silence
00:56:23I missed the very point
00:56:24so urgently sought of me
00:56:26I should open my mind
00:56:28to such a man as that?
00:56:29Do you wish
00:56:30to modify
00:56:31your statement, Rich?
00:56:32No, Secretary.
00:56:33There were two other men,
00:56:34Southwell and Palmer.
00:56:36Unhappily,
00:56:37Sir Richard Southwell
00:56:38and Master Palmer
00:56:39are in Ireland
00:56:40on the King's affair.
00:56:42But you...
00:56:42It has no bearing.
00:56:43I have their deposition here
00:56:45in which the court
00:56:46will see they state
00:56:47that being busy
00:56:48with the prisoners' books
00:56:50that they did not hear
00:56:52what was said.
00:56:53But if I had said that
00:56:54he would instantly
00:56:55have called these men
00:56:56to witness.
00:56:57Do you have anything
00:56:58further to add, Rich?
00:57:00Nothing,
00:57:01Master Secretary.
00:57:02Sir Thomas.
00:57:05To what purpose?
00:57:07I'm a dead man.
00:57:08You have your desire
00:57:11of me.
00:57:13But it is not my actions
00:57:14you've hunted me for,
00:57:16but the thoughts
00:57:17of my heart.
00:57:20That's a long road
00:57:21you've opened.
00:57:22For first men
00:57:23will deny their hearts,
00:57:24then presently
00:57:25they will have no hearts.
00:57:28God help the people
00:57:29whose statesmen
00:57:30walk your road.
00:57:31And the witness
00:57:37may withdraw.
00:57:42I have
00:57:43one question
00:57:44to ask the witness.
00:57:47That's a chain
00:57:48of office you're wearing.
00:57:50Now see it.
00:57:57The red dragon.
00:57:58What's this?
00:57:59Sir Richard is appointed
00:58:02Attorney General
00:58:03for Wales.
00:58:05For Wales?
00:58:07Why, Richard,
00:58:08it profits a man
00:58:09nothing to give his soul
00:58:11for the whole world,
00:58:12but for Wales.
00:58:19And now,
00:58:21I'd like to beg
00:58:22the court's indulgence
00:58:23for one moment.
00:58:25I have a message
00:58:25for the prisoner
00:58:26from the king.
00:58:29Sir Thomas,
00:58:31I am in power
00:58:32to tell you
00:58:33that even now
00:58:34we don't...
00:58:34No, no,
00:58:35it cannot be.
00:58:42The case rest,
00:58:43my lord.
00:58:46The jury may retire
00:58:47and consider the evidence.
00:58:49Considering the evidence,
00:58:50it shouldn't be necessary
00:58:51for them to retire.
00:58:52Is it necessary?
00:59:00No, sir.
00:59:02Do you find the prisoner
00:59:03guilty or not guilty?
00:59:13Guilty, my lord.
00:59:14Prisoner at the bar,
00:59:24you've been found
00:59:25guilty of high treason.
00:59:28The sentence of the court...
00:59:29My lord.
00:59:30My lord,
00:59:31when I was practicing
00:59:32the law,
00:59:33the manner was
00:59:34to ask the prisoner
00:59:35before pronouncing sentence
00:59:36if he had anything to say.
00:59:39Do you have anything to say?
00:59:40Yes.
00:59:51To avoid this,
00:59:52I've taken every path
00:59:53my wits could find
00:59:55now that this court
00:59:57is determined
00:59:57to condemn me.
00:59:58God knoweth how.
00:59:59I will discharge
01:00:02my mind
01:00:03concerning my indictment
01:00:05and the king's title.
01:00:09The indictment
01:00:10is founded
01:00:11on an act of parliament
01:00:12which is directly
01:00:13repugnant
01:00:14to the law of God.
01:00:16Parliament cannot
01:00:17bestow
01:00:18the supremacy
01:00:18of the church.
01:00:20The king cannot claim it
01:00:21because it is
01:00:22a spiritual supremacy
01:00:23determined by God.
01:00:26More to this,
01:00:27the immunity
01:00:27of the church
01:00:28is promised
01:00:29both in Magna Carta
01:00:30and the king's
01:00:31own coronation oath.
01:00:34Silence!
01:00:35Now we see
01:00:36you are indeed malicious.
01:00:38Not so,
01:00:39Master Cromwell.
01:00:40I'm the king's
01:00:41true subject
01:00:41and I pray for him
01:00:42and all the realm.
01:00:44I do none harm.
01:00:45I say none harm.
01:00:46I think none harm.
01:00:48And if this be not enough
01:00:50to keep a man alive,
01:00:51in good faith
01:00:52I long not to live.
01:00:55Since I came into prison,
01:00:56I've been several times
01:00:57in such a state
01:00:58I thought to die
01:00:59within the hour.
01:01:00And I thank God
01:01:01I was never sorry
01:01:02for this.
01:01:03So my poor body
01:01:05is at the king's pleasure.
01:01:07Would God my death
01:01:09might do him some good?
01:01:11Nevertheless,
01:01:12it is not for the supremacy
01:01:15that you have sought my blood,
01:01:17but because I would not
01:01:19bend to the marriage.
01:01:20I thank God's silence!
01:01:34Silence!
01:01:46Prisoner at the bar.
01:01:47you've been found guilty of high treason
01:01:50the sentence of this court
01:01:52is that you'll be taken from this place
01:01:53to the tower
01:01:54and thence to the place of execution
01:01:56and there your head
01:01:59shall be stricken from your body
01:02:00and may God have mercy upon yourself
01:02:17I can go no further, Thomas
01:02:42here, let's drink this
01:02:46my master had easel and gall
01:02:49not wine to drink
01:02:50let me be going
01:02:56father, father, father, father, father
01:03:04patience, trouble not yourself
01:03:07death comes for us all
01:03:10even at our birth
01:03:12even at our birth
01:03:15he only stands aside a little
01:03:18and every day he looks towards us
01:03:20and muses whether that day or the next
01:03:22he will draw near
01:03:23you have long known the secrets
01:03:27of my heart
01:03:29I beseech you, Grace
01:03:38keep back
01:03:41you help me up, Captain
01:04:01I'll ship it for myself
01:04:02coming down
01:04:03you're not afraid of your office, friend
01:04:10you send him but to God
01:04:12you're very sure of that, Sir Thomas
01:04:16he will not refuse one who is so blithe to go to him
01:04:20you're on a先生
01:04:28you're not afraid of your office
01:04:31I'll ship it for now
01:04:33he Jonah
01:04:35lines
01:04:42I'm
01:04:43Behold the head of a traitor.
01:05:13I'm breathing, are you breathing too?
01:05:36It's nice isn't it?
01:05:40It isn't too difficult to stay alive, friends.
01:05:43Just keep out of trouble.
01:05:45Or if you must make trouble, make the sort of trouble that's expected.
01:05:49As the old adage says, better a live rat than a dead lion.
01:05:55With reference to the old adage.
01:05:57Thomas Cromwell was found guilty of high treason and executed on the 28th of July 1540.
01:06:03Norfolk was found guilty of high treason and should have been executed on the 27th of January 1547.
01:06:10But on the night of the 26th of January, King Henry died of syphilis and wasn't able to sign the warrant.
01:06:17Thomas Cranmer, the Archbishop of Canterbury, was burned alive on the 21st of March 1556.
01:06:25Richard Rich became a knight, solicitor general, a baron and Lord Chancellor of England and died in his bed.
01:06:35And so did I.
01:06:37And so, I hope, will all of you.
01:06:41Well, oh, if we should bump into one another, recognize me.
01:06:49I'm happy.

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