00:00But just continuing our focus on the GHF, you're quoted as saying that the GHF has been luring people to their deaths.
00:08I mean, I don't know why you think they would be doing that.
00:12And just as an extension of that question, really, when we put this to Israeli government officials,
00:18they all say this is Hamas propaganda, and it's actually Hamas that's shooting people and killing people as they line up for aid.
00:24How do you respond?
00:26Well, you know, fair point. We have a debate about it.
00:30The fact of the matter is that, as you said, Tom, earlier on, 500 people have been killed in this killing zone.
00:36They wouldn't have been there if it hadn't been the lure of food.
00:40They have been killed clearly, but not finally evidentially, because there's no accountable investigation, by mostly the IDF.
00:49For reasons I don't really understand.
00:52I understand the luring South, because, you know, the IDF in Israel is very clear, always has been about the need to displace people South and eventually give them the opportunity to leave.
01:03However, on the central point, Tom, my view is, and I've said this so often since the accusations against UNRWA right after October the 7th,
01:13it's fine to accuse, where's the evidence, where's the independent investigation of whether it's Hamas doing this.
01:20It's easy to say that in war, but we would expect more from a government in good order in the General Assembly, for example.
01:29And we would expect them to conduct or say yes to independent investigations to find out what the truth is.
01:37We've had enough of these claims by Israel in which they say, well, there is an investigation ongoing.
01:42We never hear the result.
01:44We never see the evidence.
01:46And that, for me, is enough to say, OK, it's an open question at least.
