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The horrific allegations this week about child abuse in Victorian childcare centres have prompted many parents and carers to think about how to talk to their own kids about body safety and how to spot physical and behavioural signs that may indicate abuse. Clinical psychologist, Dr Ali Fogarty speaks to the ABC and says teaching children the correct biological language can help protect them.

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00:00It is really tricky with young kids but there's lots of things that parents can do from a
00:05really young age and research shows that teaching kids the correct name for their genitals, so using
00:10the names like penis, scrotum, vulva, vagina, this can be really protective and this can start from
00:16a very young age and using times like bath time, nappy changes and getting dressed to use these
00:22words and using this correct language it gives kids ownership over these parts of their bodies
00:27and helps them understand that they're private just for them and gives them the language to talk
00:31and ask questions with the trusted adult if something ever feels wrong or not quite right.
00:36All right so how detailed though do you get about this without frightening kids
00:41or without jeopardising their innocence? Do you warn about what could happen, what's wrong, what's right?
00:49It's a great question, so using the correct terms for body languages and and talking about feeling
00:54unsafe and unsafe is never going to jeopardise children or make them feel worried about these
01:02things. What it is, what it does do, it teaches them to trust their gut, so helping them understand
01:06that they're in control of their own body and this can start in really simple ways like around consent,
01:12they don't have to hug, kiss or you know even sit on the lap of a friend or relative if they don't want
01:17to if they don't feel comfortable and this can be hard for parents as it as when there's can sometimes
01:23be a social expectation that kids do give nan and pop or other family members a hug or kiss goodbye but
01:28it's really important. We can do other things like offer a high five or a wave or I know for my three
01:34year old it's it's often nothing and that that's really okay and we have to teach them that to trust
01:38what how they feel and helping children trust their gut from a really young age around what feels
01:43comfortable um can help them know if something doesn't feel right in other situations um and
01:50and um and this means that um that they can they learn around who feels safe and who doesn't we can
01:58start having conversations around this from a really early age as well around how they're feeling
02:04whether there are people around them that makes that ever makes them feel yucky or strange inside so
02:09we can use those types of words rather than getting into the nitty-gritty detail of what could happen
02:14we just want to keep talking to them about what what feels good for them and helping them make sense
02:19of things that might feel yucky or strange or not not comfortable for them sure reinforcing that they
02:25have the right to feel safe with with all people is really important absolutely but Ali the children
02:30involved in this week's revelations were so young the oldest was two so you can't talk to them as you
02:36would an older child how young is too young to broach body safety and the rest and and how do you
02:42do it if kids language skills just aren't there yet it is really tricky when we're talking about very
02:47young infants or toddlers who don't have that language and we also know that even older kids
02:52might not directly disclose so with the very young children like infants where language isn't an option
02:58you know parents and caregivers can look out for physical signs like pain or itching or bruising
03:03or bleeding around the genital areas they might also notice that children might engage in sexualized
03:09play and that can be a sign to investigate things a little bit further and there might be other signs
03:13as well like developmental delay so infants or children not meeting milestones that you would
03:18expect or you might notice changes or regression in their behaviors they might be crying more
03:24being more unsettled or changes to their sleep but it's also important to know that these can also be
03:29just a sign of normal developmental changes or leaps but it's always important to reach out to your gp or
03:35trusted mental health professional for more support around these issues if we're not sure as we've
03:40already said the children allegedly involved in the victorian child care case they're so young aren't
03:46they two being the oldest is it likely that a child would remember any abuse if it allegedly happened
03:53before the age of two it's a great question and what we do know is that infants and very young
03:58children who experience trauma can be impacted even if they don't directly recall the events so for
04:04example we might see that as these children grow up they might experience more emotional behavioral
04:09challenges or we might see some of the types of aggressions that i just spoke about in terms of
04:13their behavior but what we also know is that there's lots of supports that can be put in place to buffer the
04:19impacts of these such events these events like creating safe places for the children where they
04:24have their emotional and physical needs met and where they can have safe conversations with trusted
04:28adults to talk about things strong family and community support is really essential and they may
04:34not necessarily but they may need professional support at some point to help them develop emotion
04:39regulation strategies and to make sense of what they might be experiencing in their body when they feel
04:44scared or angry or experience other big emotions finally ali what about parents mental health and
04:50perhaps you know feelings of guilt or feeling scared about sending their kids to child care
04:56yeah look it's a really good question and um it's a really hard time for all parents
05:01and definitely not you know there should be no guilt around sending kids to daycare or
05:05child care it's never the victim's fault parents have the right to know that their child
05:09are going to it's going to be safe when they drop them off at daycare or school or sporting clubs or
05:14other places and it's also important to remember that there's some incredible benefits of daycare and
05:19early learning environments for our children and the reality is that most families use daycare as
05:24part of their village and the community and that these places really need to be a safe space
05:28a safe space dr ali fogerty thank you so much thanks very much
05:33thank you so much

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