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More breaking news rises as the Miami Dolphins trade Jonnu Smith too! The All Pro tight end signs a 1-year 12 million dollar deal with the Steelers. Tobin explains why this is a win for the Fins while Leroy argues this makes the offense worse! The history of F***ing football almost gets the best of Leroy once again after quibbling with Tobin over Jonnu Smith's value!
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00:00Okay, just to catch everybody up, this happened during last segment.
00:04Jalen Ramsey traded to the Steelers for Minka Fitzpatrick.
00:08Minka Fitzpatrick is back with the Miami Dolphins.
00:11Now Adam Schefter's weird trade tweet makes sense because he said he ended it with another trade.
00:16But then where was the next trade?
00:18We got it.
00:19Jonu Smith has also been traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers in exchange for a late round draft pick.
00:28And he gets triply a money made.
00:34And he's getting a bump in pay.
00:36He's going to make $12 million.
00:38I'm happy for him, but we just gave him up.
00:41We're just like, here, take this too.
00:43Yep.
00:44All right.
00:45Yep.
00:46All right.
00:47Yep.
00:47That's what happened.
00:48Love giving away one of our weapons with no replacement.
00:53I mean, we got Julian Hill.
00:54Oh, you're right.
00:56We got Pharaoh Brown.
00:57Oh, yes.
00:58We got Tanner Conner.
01:05Intangibles.
01:06Here's what it boils down to.
01:09They didn't want to give him $12 million.
01:11Nope.
01:12That's it.
01:14Cool.
01:14But like, what was he going to do?
01:17Sit out all season?
01:18Yeah.
01:19You can sit out the first 10 games.
01:22There's no fee or no penalty or anything like that?
01:25Sure.
01:26That's what I'm saying.
01:26I mean, if this is all about money after a certain while, you know, you kind of got to play that game.
01:31Unfortunately, chicken.
01:33Where you're just kind of like, who's going to flinch first?
01:36And we're just like, nah, you can go.
01:41I don't like it.
01:43I do like the one for one because Minka, still pretty young, pretty talented.
01:50We needed a safety.
01:51We were going to lose Jalen anyway.
01:53The John who thing is like, yeah, I'm a little worried about what are we doing?
01:58What are we doing here?
01:59Yeah, but like, again, this is my whole thing with the John who, and he was great last year.
02:04Don't get me wrong.
02:05He was great.
02:06It's not like the Dolphins don't have two of the best receivers in the league.
02:11Like, and they both had down years last year.
02:14And with Tua Tungavailoa, obviously it's always a caveat of him being healthy, but like, you got to get those guys back on track and getting the football more.
02:23Like, I, I understand the Dolphins paying those guys as much as they did and also being like, you know what?
02:29We also can't pay our tight end this for him having a career year.
02:34And, you know, we're just, we, we, we think we'll be okay there.
02:39I can honestly understand the logic of that.
02:42Um, so yeah, it sucks.
02:45He was awesome.
02:46Pause up.
02:47Like, I love Johnny Smith.
02:49What a great year it was.
02:49What a cool story it was.
02:51But the Dolphins getting, but the Dolphins did fix a, a monster.
02:56Like a, they, they have a big problem, obviously like still not knowing who can take over a corner, but I also was not sure about those safeties and having me on this.
03:04Like it's not, it's not a thing is they can move maker around.
03:09Yeah.
03:10It's not a foolproof fix, but it's, I do think they came out of it.
03:16Okay.
03:17So me and you are going to differ on this.
03:20Okay.
03:21Because I think Jonu Smith was comfort food for Tua.
03:34And what teams were doing is they were dropping so far deep and daring you to try to go over their heads.
03:46You couldn't get there because the whole deal is if you drop enough men deep enough, then our rush will get to you before you can wait for them to get past.
03:58So that's what everybody talk about cover four, but cover four is basically four deep, four across, you know, the, the back end of the defense.
04:07Um, so what Jonu Smith did was kind of at times during the season, get these guys to step up a little bit.
04:17Um, and that created space behind them.
04:19And that created space behind them because if one of those guys got to come up, cover the tight end, there's a gap back there.
04:26Um, without that, you have basically told teams it's okay to play that cover four, but it's okay to play that deep too.
04:38And you're making, you're making it sound like, Oh, no bigs.
04:42You got the two receivers.
04:43It all works hand in hand.
04:46And I think people forget that.
04:48I get it, but it's still a, it is a salary cap sport.
04:51And both of those guys had down years last year and you do need, like, there's good, like ideally for the dolphins, let's just say Jonu Smith came back this year.
05:00The dolphins were going to try and feed the ball more to Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle anyway.
05:04Okay.
05:05You in, in, in a perfect world.
05:07Yes.
05:08You want to get the guys, the ball to the guys that, um, you're paying all that money to.
05:15Okay.
05:17But in the realistic world, by getting rid of Jonu Smith, you think that made it easier or more difficult to do what we're talking about?
05:27Um, I don't know, because like, I'm assuming it made it more difficult because now you don't have to worry about just by counter.
05:36I'll tell you how, just based on defenses.
05:38I understand.
05:39But how can we say that when they had them last year and they both had their worst seasons as dolphins?
05:45Right.
05:45For, for, for whatever reason, it could be defensively.
05:48It could be, they just had off years.
05:50I'm not, I'm not disputing that.
05:53Right.
05:53Like it, sometimes when guys have off years, we want answers as to why it happened.
06:02Okay.
06:03You need a, a definitive answer.
06:06I can't give you one, but what I would say is this.
06:10If you take away what was good last year, you're making it more difficult for defenses to come out of that defense.
06:22That kind of gave you problems because you have nobody underneath.
06:27Like, yeah, I get it.
06:28But, but they're not going to pay him.
06:30Like it's like, it's, it's one of those things.
06:32Like they've already, they already made the choice of we're not, we, we took this guy, we got him at a bargain last year.
06:39And he basically like, in a lot of ways, like Johnny Smith is a nice player, but he's never been an elite tight end.
06:46And I love the guy.
06:47He's never been an elite tight end.
06:48You basically did Raheem Mostert with him at the tight end position where he comes here.
06:53He breaks every tight end record.
06:54The dolphins have had, but before that was pretty much a journeyman.
06:58And I just think in the dolphins mind, maybe they think, Hey, we can have one of our young guys step up and do things like that.
07:06Okay.
07:06But that's what they're in, in, in any sport, Leroy, we would have thought that last year.
07:10It's like, Oh, he's not going to come here and break the records.
07:13Nobody thought that.
07:14Like what, what, what we did know though, is this, you're just looking at the catches, look at the other things he did and how they got him the ball with quick passes, with tosses, with stuff like that.
07:33He's a very versatile player.
07:35And what I say with that is when you add those things to the weapons, you have, it makes you strong.
07:44It makes Tyreek more of a weapon.
07:47It makes Waddle more of a weapon.
07:50So while you're sitting here saying, Oh, we can just have one.
07:54Our young guys do it.
07:55No, you can't, but they weren't more of a weapon last year.
07:58Like it's, it's a nice, I can't explain this to you.
08:03I can't because I'm looking at it from the defensive perspective and how they defended Tyreek and Jalen Waddle, which created the space for John new to be able to do all those things.
08:16Who's very athletic, way more athletic than any of the other guys you have in that room.
08:23But they're better numbers.
08:24They had better numbers with Durham Smythe as their tight end.
08:26But again, like, I don't know.
08:28So what are they opening up?
08:29You're not leaving room for the teams adjusting to how they played Tyreek and Jalen Waddle.
08:37Okay.
08:37Let here, let me show you how defense works.
08:41Okay.
08:42If you have a speed, you have speed guys on the outside.
08:46All right.
08:47Now the first year when Tyreek almost had 2000, right?
08:52That was the second year.
08:53Second year when he almost had 2000 yards.
08:57Basically they tried to play cover two.
08:59Right.
09:00But what would happen is you'd run Waddle up the middle.
09:04The two safeties would pay attention to Waddle.
09:08Run those deep crossing routes.
09:10So, which was amazing.
09:11Right.
09:12And then Tyreek would beat the hell out of that corner and deuces.
09:16We out.
09:17Okay.
09:18You could switch it up.
09:19You could go Waddle down the sideline.
09:21Tyreek cross.
09:22Catch the ball through the middle.
09:24Space.
09:2588 out the gate.
09:27Right.
09:27Then they started playing cover four, which is instead of putting those corners close to the line of scrimmage, right?
09:36They drop them way back and dare you to throw it underneath and then they come and make tackles.
09:45Right.
09:46So, they're not allowing you to get the ball over their heads.
09:52Now, where that becomes even more effective, playing all those guys deep, is when you have an offensive line who's not protecting the quarterback.
10:02So, now everything gets sped up.
10:04You don't have time to get deep.
10:07And so, everything ended up being shorter because now the coach is like, we're not protecting two.
10:12They're playing way deep.
10:14We got to come up with shorter passes to be effective.
10:16Okay.
10:18So, that's how that played out without John Newt.
10:23Now, you bring in John Newt.
10:26Granted, Waddle and Tyreek didn't have the best of years.
10:30But when a defense says, we're going to defend Waddle, we're going to defend Tyreek, we're going to pick up on all their routes, we're going to drop way back, we're going to do all these things.
10:41Because that left a whole football field of John Newt Smith against a linebacker.
10:47So, what ends up happening in a game, you take advantage of who has, you know, same thing in basketball.
10:56Who has the mismatch?
10:58Let's take advantage of that.
11:00Yeah, but you don't think that's going to, like, I guess in this case.
11:02Nobody has the athletic ability as John Newt to be able to get open like that.
11:06That's my point.
11:07That's fine.
11:08But they're going to get back, like, Leroy, there's no way they're not going to go into this season and go with, first of all, like, we could say the Dolphins relented a little bit on letting defenses take their bread and butter away from them too much last year.
11:21Like, we all, like, they've admitted as much, the quarterback has admitted as much, so they're going to tilt back to trying and take more shots this year.
11:30But here's what it holds.
11:31And it's still Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle.
11:33But Tobin, you have to understand, part of those adjustments had nothing to do with Tyreek and Waddle, but more to do with the time you had to throw the football.
11:48They had no time to run those deep routes.
11:51And obviously, you hope the line is better this year.
11:55Okay, but that's a whole, so if it's not, then those things are move points anyway by getting down the field.
12:02I understand.
12:03So who's going to be that mid, who's going to be that guy to catch the ball in the middle of the field?
12:09You think you're just going to take John O. Smith out and put Durham Smythe there?
12:13Durham Smythe's not here anymore.
12:14Or whoever.
12:15What?
12:16Pick a guy.
12:17It's crazy.
12:17Pick a guy out of that room.
12:19Julian Hill's going to catch one of these days, dude.
12:21He's going to catch one of these days.
12:24Everyone was raving about Tanner and Connor at minicamp.
12:26Can I just tell you?
12:28What?
12:28This conversation has been absolutely exhausting for me because you just chalk it up to, oh, Tyreek and Waddle, they're going to have better years this year.
12:37Okay, but we would have thought this.
12:38Hold on.
12:38We would have thought this with losing Christian Wilkins last year, and Zach Seeler stepped up at a cheaper rate and was just as good as Christian Wilkins.
12:44Oh, because they also got a friend.
12:47They did.
12:48Okay, so they had somebody who could fill that void.
12:53Like, that is the game.
12:55Like, you're trying to find some of these guys at the value, and paying John O. Smith at 30 years old $12 million when you're already paying two receivers, like top five receivers, like, you're going to have to make some decisions along your roster.
13:08It just is the game, Leroy.
13:10I understand all of that.
13:15The argument that the argument that I'm having with you is this.
13:20You're making a lot of assumptions when you're making a lot of assumptions when not really understanding why they ended up where they were and why John O. Smith ended up with 80 catches, right?
13:32It's a lot more than just saying Tyreek and Waddle had bad years.
13:38Because, like, a lot of that stuff from year to year, the defenses that you play become more acclimated to what you do.
13:48And if you don't have the same amount of time or the same running game, okay, guess what?
13:57They could play that for a deep because you couldn't run the ball worth of crap.
14:01Well, what does that have to do with John?
14:02And John was not a blocking tight end.
14:03But, again, all of these reasons play into why you needed somebody like John O. Smith.
14:11And I'm okay with it.
14:13I understand decisions have to be made.
14:16It's football.
14:17I get that.
14:17It's a salary cap sport, okay?
14:20But what I'm saying is this.
14:22Without that guy in the middle of the field being able to beat linebackers, you know what linebackers do when there's nobody to guard like John O. Smith?
14:37They get extra, extra deep on pass routes, thus cutting into the space that you have to throw the ball in the secondary.
14:47So it all works hand in hand.
14:49While, yes, I'm going to be honest with you.
14:53I don't think if you brought him back, he'd have 80 catches again.
14:57I understand that.
14:58Then why would you pay him $12 million?
15:01All right.
15:01Never mind.
15:02I'm good.
15:02No, but why?
15:04I'm good.
15:05I'm good.
15:06Like, this is like a –
15:12Seems like you boxed yourself in.
15:14No, really?
15:15And that's what you go with?
15:16Because you have no –
15:18All right.
15:19Dude, you have no freaking idea, none, of what is going on on the football field.
15:26None.
15:28Yet, you're going to sit here and say, I boxed myself in.
15:30Watch a game every now and then and see what's going on.
15:35I'm done.
15:36Go ahead.
15:37You're lashing out for no reason.
15:38I'm not lashing out.
15:39You are.
15:39I'm lashing out.
15:40You don't get to –
15:41You know why I'm lashing out?
15:43Because I realize –
15:43Because you don't have to pay everybody in football.
15:45That's not how it works.
15:46It's a salary cap sport.
15:48Okay.
15:48You got to make some decisions.
15:49That's how it works building a roster.
15:51Okay.
15:52You got to.
15:53I'm sorry.
15:53I'd love to pay John Smith as much money as he wants.
15:56No.
15:56If you could, you can't.
15:58Okay.
15:59All I'm saying is this.
16:01The importance of what a player like him was to this team last year is not like you got it on the roster.
16:12And so other parts of your field –
16:15You should complain about Chris Greer paying Jalen Waddle like a top five receiver.
16:19That's the mistake then.
16:20So you have money to pay Johnnie Smith.
16:22Again, they paid before Johnnie got here.
16:25That's the point though.
16:28That's why they're in the predicament.
16:30I'm not –
16:30Nobody on this show is disrespecting the importance of Johnnie Smith.
16:35You got to make decisions building a team.
16:37If you're going to pay –
16:38Hey, guess what?
16:39You got to pay Zach Sealer a monster contract too.
16:41You want to know why?
16:42Because you got nobody else to play that position.
16:46Okay.
16:46Should you let him walk?
16:48What's more important?
16:49The Dolphins letting Sealer walk or Johnnie Smith?
16:51It's a pretty obvious question.
16:53So I'm not sitting here debating your football knowledge, saying you're wrong and saying
16:59Johnnie Smith was open.
17:00But I understand the Dolphins got to make some business decisions because they've made some
17:04horrible piss poor ones.
17:07Okay.
17:08That's it.
17:09I just think that – and let me put it this way.
17:21It would be easier in today's football to replace Jalen Waddell than to replace Johnnie Smith.
17:30Hey, that's a sad point that I'm not disagreeing with.
17:33That's the point.
17:36But I don't – hey, Leroy, I don't disagree with you there.
17:39Like that – but that's – but they're not getting rid of Jalen Waddell.
17:42You want to know why?
17:42No, I understand.
17:43Because they got – who knows how long Tyreek's going to be here because you never know when
17:48he's going to go Tyreek.
17:49And then they're left with – I don't know.
17:51Who is left on the wide receiver room?
17:53Westbrook.
17:54We got Westbrook.
17:54Oh, yeah.
17:55We got Westbrook Akine.
17:58Yeah.
17:59Whew.
18:00Anyway, we'll take a break.
18:02I'm just saying this is like – I get why people think that it's not that big of a deal
18:10to lose Johnnie Smith, and I'm telling you it's a little bigger of a deal than you're
18:17just shrugging it off to be.
18:18I think you're mad because now Aaron Rodgers is going to throw a lot of touchdowns to him.
18:21I mean, would that not make my point?
18:25No, it would make your point, but now you hate Aaron Rodgers and now Aaron Rodgers is
18:28Johnnie Smith.
18:29Right.
18:30Like, there's not a bunch – listen, regardless of what Johnnie Smith has done before he got
18:36to Miami, there's not a lot of guys that play that position with that amount of athleticism
18:42at that position.
18:44There's not.
18:44So, to go from that to Julian Hill –
18:51And Tanner Conner.
18:53And Tanner – dude, Tanner –
18:56Let's go to break before I cuss.
19:00Let's go to that.
19:14Let's go to that.
19:16Let's go to that.
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