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00:00If your happiness depends on the actions of others,
00:05you know, you're at mercy of things that you can't control.
00:08The best-selling author and host.
00:10The number one health and wellness podcast.
00:12On Purpose with Jay Shetty.
00:15Yeah, I'm not even just saying this.
00:16I literally think I manifested this.
00:20Like, it's the...
00:20After I saw you at Simi and Hayes' house,
00:24so that was a couple months ago, and then a few weeks ago,
00:26my... I was talking to my social media girl randomly.
00:29We were just talking about a bunch of stuff
00:30and just kind of what I would love to represent,
00:34just talking about a new chapter for me and whatever.
00:37And I was... She was like,
00:38who would you really want to, like, talk to or whatever?
00:40And I was like, it'd be so cool to talk to Jay.
00:42And she was like, that would be really cool.
00:45And then we kind of just...
00:45That was kind of the thought and whatever.
00:47And then you hit me and I was like, no freaking way.
00:50He's hitting me right now.
00:51So I was like, absolutely.
00:52This is, like, perfect.
00:54It's the universe just putting it in perfect timing.
00:56That makes me so happy because it was exactly the opposite way.
01:00So I've, for a long time, had people that I'd love to sit down with.
01:04And every time I saw you do something with mental health and Vogue
01:06or any of the segments that you ever did,
01:09I was just like, she's amazing.
01:10Like, you know, it's incredible to...
01:12The way you were talking about it, when you'd post about it,
01:14I'd be like, oh, this is incredible.
01:15Like, to see you speaking so openly about it,
01:18invulnerably about it.
01:19And so I've always wanted to do this.
01:21And then, but we've never really crossed paths.
01:24And so I'm always just a bit like...
01:26And I don't like asking friends of friends when I haven't met someone.
01:28And so I was like, that day I had to, like, pluck up the courage.
01:32I'm just going to ask of myself.
01:33No, it's perfect.
01:34Because it's easier when I ask.
01:35And I know Christy, so...
01:36Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:37But I was like, it's nicer when there's...
01:39I told my team too.
01:40I was like, it's so much nicer when there's, like, a personal connection.
01:42For sure.
01:42And someone really feels comfortable.
01:44Rather than it's, like, a PR thing.
01:46No, it was so perfect.
01:47Like, when I think back to it, I'm like, that was me just trusting the universe
01:51and not pushing for anything.
01:53And I knew it was going to kind of happen when it was supposed to.
01:56And it literally did.
01:56And it did, yeah.
01:57So you felt it too.
01:59Yeah, I did.
01:59That made you love to me.
02:00Yeah.
02:00And I hope that this is the start of spending more time together.
02:03Me too.
02:03Me too.
02:04Yeah, off camera too.
02:05I would love that.
02:06Because, like, I think also...
02:07I don't know.
02:08Like, I admire people like you.
02:10I admire, like, you know, the Michael Pollan's and Michael Singer's
02:15and Wim Hof's of the world, and I feel like you fit in that category for me
02:19of just people that are...
02:20Because, you know, I know a little bit about your story.
02:22I'd like to actually know more, which would be really cool to actually...
02:24I know we're obviously not here for that, exactly.
02:28But for me, just personally, like, I'd love to know more of your story.
02:31I know that you've had quite the experiences, and I think that's so cool.
02:36I'm, like, so intrigued by people with just that amount of curiosity
02:39and, like, determination and patience.
02:43Like, that takes so much patience to be like you
02:46or, like, any of those people that I just listed.
02:48It's so cool to me, and I just...
02:49I wish.
02:50I wish for myself, but I'm working on it.
02:52No, you're that curious, too.
02:54You're that curious.
02:54I am.
02:55It's just, you know, that level of, like I said, patience and determination
02:59is, like, it's a gift.
03:02Like, that is, like, a really, really amazing gift.
03:04And, like I said, like, I'm just working on it all the time,
03:08and that's my goal in life, I guess.
03:10Well, I think I feel the same way about you again that...
03:14And by the way, I love all those people you just mentioned, too.
03:16Yeah.
03:16So I feel very honored to be put into that group of people.
03:19And we've had Wim on the podcast before, too, so he's been a guest.
03:21But with you, I feel the same way back when it's, like,
03:25when you see someone who is so curious,
03:27who could get away with not worrying about these things if you don't want to,
03:30but then still being courageous enough to talk about these things
03:33and then using your platform as a space to open up these dialogues.
03:36Like, that is as, if not more important as well
03:40as doing the work and doing the path.
03:42Yeah.
03:43I mean, I...
03:43I can see you doing the work.
03:44It's fun watching you do the work and figuring it out.
03:46I love working on myself.
03:48Like, it is actually, like, a passion of mine.
03:51And, like, I just...
03:52I find so much comfort and joy in, like,
03:56actually finding where I think I could better myself
03:59and being, like, even if it's physical.
04:01Like, physical as in, like, my physical health or working out.
04:04Or I just started doing, speaking of Wim Hof,
04:06I just started doing, like, cold plunges and ice baths.
04:08And, like, even if I don't have the time to go outside,
04:10I just got a cold plunge.
04:11I did it right before I got here.
04:13It's the best thing ever.
04:14I did it this weekend.
04:14It's also, again, it takes so much mental...
04:18The whole thing of it is all mental.
04:19So, I don't know, just stuff like that I really love.
04:22So I'm always...
04:23I'm always trying to just be the best version of me.
04:27And so I just love that.
04:28It, like, actually makes me feel really good.
04:30I love self-care and I just love stuff like that.
04:32So it's been really cool.
04:34But it's cool for you to say that you enjoy seeing that from me
04:38because there's always been kind of this weird part of it for me
04:41where I'm like, is this a pity party?
04:44Because I don't want it to be.
04:45Like, I want this to feel very positive.
04:48I want to connect with people.
04:49And I guess that is my goal there is to be, like,
04:52there actually is this side of me that you may not know of.
04:56But the goal here is to connect
04:58and also not feel like I'm throwing some pity party for myself
05:03because I want this to be a learning experience for everyone.
05:06I want this to be really positive and really well-received.
05:09I want you to look at it
05:09and actually have a positive feeling towards it.
05:12So, I don't know, you'll find, like, if I, you know,
05:14when I do kind of post about something
05:16or when I want to talk about something,
05:18I'm usually sharing a tip
05:19or, like, sharing kind of, like, a little technique,
05:22even if it's something so simple as, like,
05:24walking outside, taking a few deep breaths and journaling.
05:26Like, it's just that kind of stuff that I really like to share
05:31because I feel like I want to be helpful more than anything.
05:34Yeah, absolutely.
05:34And that's at least how I see it.
05:36Like, I see it not completely, not as a pity party at all,
05:39but so much more as just, hey, here's a reminder.
05:42Here's something that I did.
05:43And I feel like that positivity shines through, too,
05:46in the way you do it.
05:47So, at least, if that helps,
05:49whatever that's worth from the outside,
05:51it definitely comes across that way.
05:53Cool.
05:53And this has easily been the warmest introduction
05:55to a flow of a conversation I've ever experienced
05:58in my entire life of doing this.
05:59I was going to say, I was actually really nervous coming in here
06:02because this means so much to me.
06:04Like, and I'm serious because, you know,
06:06I've done a lot of interviews in my life.
06:08And when thinking about this one
06:10or thinking about that I even wanted to do something like this,
06:13it just, it means a lot to me.
06:15And so it made me a little nervous.
06:17And I was like, I just want to get this right.
06:19This isn't like, you know, me going out
06:20and promoting something or talking about something.
06:22This is, you know, something very real
06:24that we all experience,
06:26which is just, you know,
06:28ourselves and our well-being and just everything.
06:31So, yeah, and this is, this is a, you know,
06:33for me genuinely, and I really do mean this,
06:36like the podcast has been a great excuse
06:39or really from my side an intention
06:41to get to know people I really admire.
06:44And so for me, it's been a great way
06:46of building new friendships and relationships
06:47because if you can sit and talk to someone
06:49and really get along with each other,
06:50you're like, oh, we should do this more often.
06:52And so, well, I'm honored.
06:53Yeah.
06:54So for me, it's definitely been that.
06:55And to me, you know, you saying that
06:58and, you know, taking it as intentionally as you are,
07:01it's, you know, for me, it's as important.
07:03I always share this before we start recording usually,
07:06but we just flowed.
07:07Hey, everyone, welcome back to On Purpose,
07:10the number one health podcast in the world.
07:12Thanks to each and every single one of you
07:13that come back every week to listen, learn and grow.
07:17Now, it's very rare that I get to sit down with someone
07:19that I have admired for a very long time from afar,
07:22someone that I believe has inspired me
07:24through the sharing of their story,
07:26someone who speaks so vulnerably and openly
07:28about the things that I most care about,
07:30mental health, purpose,
07:31the journey of life and discovery and curiosity.
07:35And what I want to share about this person
07:37is when I bumped into them
07:38at a mutual friend's birthday party,
07:40and I just want to give a big shout out to Simeon Hayes
07:42because this wouldn't happen without them.
07:43I love you, Simeon Hayes.
07:44You've been amazing guests on the podcast before as well.
07:47I wouldn't have bumped into this individual
07:49and had this opportunity to reach out to them.
07:51And as soon as I reached out,
07:53this has been the most flowing conversation
07:55and connection that I've possibly had
07:57on the podcast, to be honest.
07:58So I just want to put that out.
08:00I'm speaking about the one and only,
08:01someone who needs no introduction,
08:02but successful business founder,
08:04international supermodel,
08:06founder of the incredibly successful tequila brand 818
08:09and star on the Hulu's The Kardashians,
08:12which premieres in second season on September 22nd,
08:16the one and only Kendall Jenner.
08:18Kendall, thank you so much for doing this.
08:20Thanks for having me.
08:20That was a wonderful introduction.
08:22Oh, well, it's honestly been such an honor
08:25getting to know someone who,
08:27it's very rare that I find someone
08:29who functions with very similar values
08:32in a personal connection sense.
08:34So when I reached out to you,
08:36I really meant everything I said,
08:38and I could have written you an essay,
08:39but I was like, let's spare the details.
08:41And then to get your response,
08:43and then for us to be here
08:44within a couple of weeks of connecting.
08:46And even your message this morning,
08:48I just want people to know,
08:49I was like, the text you sent me this morning,
08:51I was like, this never happens.
08:53Like, I was like, this is amazing.
08:54And I was like,
08:54and I was literally gonna do the same thing.
08:56And so to me, I was like, this is very rare.
08:58And so I love the synergy and the flow
09:00that we're experiencing.
09:01And I'm excited to get into it now.
09:04It's funny, because I called Hayes before the other day,
09:07and I was just like,
09:08oh my God, I'm going on your friend's show
09:10and whatever.
09:11And she was like, he's the best.
09:13It's good.
09:13You're just gonna flow right into it.
09:14He's so easy to talk to.
09:16And that's literally what happened.
09:17And like I told you,
09:18I just feel like I manifested this moment
09:20for both of us and for this,
09:22just this whole experience.
09:23And so I am really happy to be here.
09:26And I'm honestly honored.
09:27Like I said, I admire you.
09:28And there's so many people like you that I admire.
09:31So I think sitting down here with you
09:33is just so cool for me.
09:34And I get to talk about fun things with you.
09:36Amazing, amazing.
09:38First of many.
09:38And I wanted to start with,
09:40because I always like to start with just things
09:41that I've seen more recently.
09:42A couple of days ago,
09:43I think you posted a beautiful picture
09:45of you hugging your horse.
09:46And you were like, you know,
09:47like snuggle time or something like that.
09:49And I was just like,
09:50when did horses become a part of your life?
09:53And how did you get so close to them?
09:55I think I've spent many lifetimes with horses.
09:58I think this is very,
09:59one of many lifetimes that I've had.
10:02I grew up in a horse community.
10:03So where we grew up,
10:04horses everywhere,
10:05more trails than there were homes, really.
10:08And so I was always around horses
10:10and I just was deeply in love with them.
10:12And I have no explanation.
10:14And that's why I say,
10:14I feel like in past lives,
10:15I have just been around horses.
10:18Yeah.
10:18So since I was a really young kid,
10:20loved them and continue to love them my whole life.
10:24They're just the best.
10:25They're the most majestic and gorgeous
10:27and spiritual.
10:30They feel everything.
10:31I just like,
10:32it's such an honor to be in their presence
10:34and to be able to do what I can do with my horse.
10:37I find so magical
10:39that I can stand in her stall with her
10:41and just like vibe out with her.
10:42I like sometimes come to like a little,
10:45get a little teary eyed
10:46when I'm standing in my stall with her.
10:47Cause I'm like,
10:48this is so cool that you allow me to do this.
10:50And we have this connection without any words.
10:51It's just the best thing ever.
10:54So I love them.
10:55Yeah.
10:55That's so special.
10:55I have a different teary eyed story with horses,
10:58but I'll tell you the short version.
11:01So when I proposed to my wife,
11:02who I can't wait to introduce you to her,
11:03when I proposed to her,
11:04which is eight years ago or something like that.
11:06When I proposed to her,
11:08I organized a very,
11:09what I would consider like a very,
11:11a very Hollywood proposal.
11:12It was,
11:13it was too over the top
11:14and I would do it totally different today
11:16with all everything I've learned.
11:17Happens.
11:18Yeah,
11:18it happens.
11:19It happens.
11:19And so we were walking by the Thames in London,
11:22which is where we're both born and raised.
11:24And this acapella group jumps out
11:25and they're singing Bruno Mars.
11:27And then like they give her a bouquet of flowers.
11:29And then I get down on one knee,
11:31I propose,
11:31we have dinner by the river.
11:32And then we walk around the corner
11:34and there's a horse room and carriage
11:37to take us around,
11:38to take us around London.
11:40And so we're on this carriage,
11:41we have this beautiful,
11:42you know,
11:42path through London.
11:43And then we get into the train
11:44to get back home to her parents
11:46to tell them,
11:47and they already knew,
11:48she's got hives all over her face.
11:50No way.
11:52She was allergic.
11:52She's allergic to horses.
11:54And I found out the day I proposed to her,
11:56I was like,
11:56all right.
11:57So then she was like,
11:58she had tears.
11:58And when we got back,
11:59her parents were like,
11:59what did you do to her?
12:00At least you got to enjoy the moment.
12:01At least you got to enjoy the moment.
12:02Yeah,
12:03it wasn't until after.
12:03But no,
12:04I love horses.
12:05Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
12:05No,
12:06I love horses the same way you do.
12:07Like I used to go to India a lot
12:09when I was a kid.
12:10And that's where I first learned
12:11to be with horses.
12:13And I mean,
12:14they're so therapeutic.
12:16Absolutely.
12:16Yeah.
12:17There's a reason there's equine therapy.
12:18It's the best.
12:19Exactly.
12:20Yeah.
12:20They make me,
12:21they make me when I'm with her,
12:24I have a few,
12:24but I'm mostly with one of my horses right now.
12:27What's her name?
12:27Her name's Dalandra.
12:29I didn't name her.
12:30She came with her name,
12:31but I call her Dylan or Dil.
12:33I love her so much.
12:34But when I'm with her,
12:35I genuinely,
12:36I speak of like,
12:37I spoke about how I've just loved horses my whole life.
12:40I feel like a kid around her.
12:42Like I feel like my 12 year old self
12:44that would get up every morning
12:45throughout the entire summer at 8am
12:48to go just be at my trainer's facility.
12:51And I would stay there from 8am to 8pm.
12:53I'd ride all her horses.
12:55I'd groom all her horses.
12:56I would just sit in the stalls with all the horses.
12:58Like it just,
12:58anytime I'm with her,
12:59I just have that sense of like being a child again.
13:02And it's a really,
13:03really good feeling.
13:04Animals have that special ability,
13:06don't they?
13:06They're so awesome.
13:07Whichever animal you're attracted to.
13:09And yeah,
13:09I never thought I would,
13:11but when I lived as a monk,
13:12the animal that's revered in India is cows.
13:15And you would never think of cows
13:17being like majestic or,
13:19you know,
13:20in that way,
13:20especially when you're not in India.
13:21But the cows in India have these like lotus-like eyes.
13:24Like the eyes are just like
13:25absolutely stunning.
13:27And they're so special.
13:28And they're such gentle animals.
13:29And recently,
13:30Radhi and I went trekking with gorillas in Rwanda.
13:34And gorillas are the,
13:36we have to go.
13:36That sounds unreal.
13:38It was unbelievable.
13:40And they're the animal that's revered in Rwanda.
13:42So whenever they have a new gorilla that's born,
13:45they have a naming ceremony with the community.
13:47I love that.
13:47It's so beautiful.
13:49But,
13:49and then I heard somewhere that you,
13:50your first job was you were a dog walker.
13:52Yeah.
13:53And so I was thinking like,
13:54do you have any lessons or anything you learned by being a dog walker?
13:57I think first jobs are so interesting.
13:59Yeah.
13:59No,
14:00I mean,
14:01I was always a super disciplined child.
14:04Like meaning to my,
14:05like I just loved,
14:06I would put myself to bed at 7 PM,
14:09be like,
14:09my mom would be like playing with me and my little sister and be like,
14:12mom,
14:12it's seven.
14:13I got to go to sleep.
14:14Like it's time for my bedtime.
14:15She'd be like,
14:15are you okay?
14:16And so I was always that kid.
14:19And so I,
14:19I think I just was always really eager to like work.
14:22I don't know why I just like wanted to always have something to do,
14:25something that I felt passionate about that I really enjoyed.
14:28And so,
14:28yeah,
14:28when I was young,
14:29I put some flyers around our community and said I would walk dogs.
14:33And I ended up getting people that would get,
14:36let me have their dog for a few hours and take it for a walk.
14:38So I loved animals and I liked having something to do.
14:42So I spent,
14:43I was a kid that liked to be by myself with animals.
14:46So like,
14:46I think that that was a cool,
14:49very fitting thing for me.
14:50Cause I got to be by myself walking,
14:52but then also experience all these little dogs with me.
14:55Yeah.
14:55I wish I did that.
14:56I used to deliver newspapers.
14:58So that was my first job.
14:59And it's not as glamorous in London because it's raining.
15:02Was that what you were desiring or was that?
15:04I was just 14 years old and wanted to make some money.
15:06I was like,
15:07I need to make some money.
15:09Yeah.
15:09And so I was like,
15:09I'm going to start doing this and you don't get to,
15:12you know,
15:12you'd see it in the movies where the paper boy just like chucks the paper at
15:16the door,
15:16but I'd had to actually go and put it inside.
15:18So my only interaction with dogs is they were on the inside.
15:20Grabbing the paper.
15:21Right.
15:22And so,
15:23yeah,
15:23barking at you and stuff,
15:25but I always love knowing about people's first jobs and how things
15:28started for them because of,
15:30you know,
15:30obviously where you are today,
15:31but what do you think it was in those early years where you just said
15:36you were very disciplined?
15:37Like,
15:37it sounds like you were,
15:38you were aware of certain habits that you built then.
15:41What were some of the things that you feel confident about or how,
15:45how did you look for validation in those early years and where did it
15:48come from for you?
15:49I mean,
15:49it's interesting.
15:50So Kylie,
15:51my little sister,
15:51she was always the social butterfly.
15:53I was always,
15:54I just liked being to myself.
15:57I don't know if that's the Scorpio in me.
15:59So it just came naturally or whatever.
16:01I had,
16:02I had a group of friends who I loved,
16:04but I just,
16:05I like can vividly remember just on the weekends,
16:07not running to go be with my friends all the time during the summer.
16:10I was with them,
16:11but on the weekends in between school,
16:13I would,
16:14I was really just by myself.
16:16I would love to like hang out in my room.
16:18I like was kind of a nerd.
16:20I loved video games and like sitting on the computer and playing Sims all day.
16:23Like I just kind of liked being to myself.
16:26And then all day long during the summer was with my horses and yeah,
16:30I don't know.
16:30I just,
16:31it just brought me joy.
16:32I don't think I have like,
16:34you know,
16:35a super long explanation for that.
16:37It was so simple for me as a kid.
16:39Like it was just as simple as that made me happy.
16:42And that's just what I wanted.
16:43And it explains,
16:45I guess a lot of me now.
16:47I went through like a phase where I felt like I had to be around people.
16:51I think I live a very social life and my job is very social.
16:55So I was,
16:57you know,
16:57kind of conditioned to want to be around people a lot.
17:00And then as you know,
17:02the pandemic came around,
17:03you're not around as many people anymore.
17:05And now I'm just re-enjoying being by myself,
17:08which is really cool.
17:09Yeah.
17:09And I had the most,
17:11I had the best day on Sunday all by myself.
17:13I got up,
17:14I went and rode my horses.
17:15I like took my niece to ride her pony.
17:20Just me and her.
17:21It was so nice.
17:22Brought her back home,
17:23went to my house,
17:24got in my cold plunge,
17:25went in my pool,
17:26laid out journals.
17:27Like I was having the best day and I was just pretty much all by myself.
17:30So I enjoy it so much.
17:32I love that.
17:32I'm sure that's so refreshing for people to hear too,
17:34because I feel like people may from the outside perceive a life,
17:38which obviously,
17:38like you said,
17:39for work,
17:39it's busy and it's social.
17:40And of course you have wonderful friends,
17:42but to know that you can feel comfortable in your own company.
17:45And that's been a habit that you've developed.
17:47I crave simple things.
17:49Like I,
17:50I love my life and I love my job.
17:52And I,
17:53I feel so fortunate that I have been placed here that for some reason I was given this life.
17:59Like I feel immensely grateful for that.
18:02And I have had so much fun.
18:04And I like think back on just the experience that I've had,
18:06the experiences that I've had this far.
18:08And it's like,
18:09it's like,
18:10it's shocking to me.
18:11I'm like,
18:11this is so fricking cool that I live this life.
18:14But at the end of the day,
18:15like when I am home and when I'm alone,
18:16like I crave the simple things.
18:18I love a simple day.
18:19I love just like a simple routine and being to myself and being around the people that I love,
18:25my small core crew.
18:27So yeah,
18:27that's beautiful.
18:28Yeah.
18:28I mean,
18:29that's,
18:29I think that's what we're all striving for is that passion in our careers and our work.
18:33And then the simplicity at home.
18:35What would you say?
18:36I was thinking about this and I've watched so many of your interviews and read so much too,
18:40but what would you say for you as being one of your like proudest moments or greatest achievements or something that you really feel like,
18:47and internally,
18:48I mean,
18:48like for,
18:49for the basis of our conversation,
18:50like something that really brings you joy internally when you think about it or when you,
18:55when you had it.
18:56Like I said,
18:56I look back and the things that I've accomplished just even my job.
19:01Like,
19:01I think I really,
19:03at one point when I was younger decided I want to be a model and this is what I want to do.
19:08And the fact that I executed,
19:10cause we talk about that determination.
19:11Like I really was,
19:13I was 14 years old when I kind of made that decision and was like,
19:16this is what I want to do.
19:17And I went to my mom and I was like,
19:19please help me do this.
19:20And I didn't stop until I was 24 that I was like,
19:26okay,
19:26I think I need to like take it back a notch,
19:28which we can also get into.
19:29Cause that's a very kind of dramatic story.
19:32But like,
19:33I,
19:33I just knew,
19:35and I think I'm proud of myself for being that kid and being determined to do that and then executing and doing it to the,
19:42to the level that I had done it.
19:44And that I,
19:45I guess I still do,
19:46but I,
19:47I also am proud of,
19:49I think more so the self work that I've done within that process.
19:53Cause there was a long period of time.
19:56I'd say the core five years of it that I was extremely overworked,
20:02not my happiest,
20:03not because I wasn't doing what I loved,
20:06but just because I was overwhelmed.
20:08And I was,
20:09I felt like I was saying yes to everything.
20:11Cause I felt really,
20:12really grateful and really honored to be in the position that I was in.
20:16So I was always saying yes.
20:17And it just took a lot out of me to the point where I just wasn't happy anymore.
20:23And so I had to set those boundaries for myself when I was about 23,
20:2824,
20:28I'd say like what a year before the pandemic.
20:30So yeah,
20:31I was probably 23.
20:32I really set boundaries for myself.
20:34And I was like,
20:35I want to continue to do this.
20:36Cause this is what I love,
20:37but I need to start saying no when I can and prioritizing me and prioritizing like,
20:46you know,
20:47my happiness and my wellbeing.
20:49And it has done wonders for me.
20:51Like I feel like I can show up better for myself and I can show up a better person for
20:57the people that get to be around me that day.
20:59And you know,
21:00that I work with on that day.
21:02So yeah.
21:03Yeah.
21:04So that's what I'm proud of.
21:05Sorry to give you a long answer.
21:07That's amazing.
21:08I was,
21:09I won't say I was hoping for that because I am always open to wherever anyone's life
21:13experience goes,
21:14but there's a part of me that loves hearing that.
21:16Like,
21:16I really appreciate hearing that because when you've achieved so many incredible things in
21:19your career,
21:20which you have to then say,
21:21well,
21:21this is the part like knowing how to navigate it or making the right choices at the right
21:26time.
21:27Healthy balance.
21:28The healthy balance.
21:28It's so important.
21:29It's important for all of us.
21:31Like we have to,
21:32this is what we're prioritizing,
21:34you know?
21:35Yeah.
21:35So how did you find the courage to do that at the 23 mark?
21:39Cause you're saying you're in a competitive industry.
21:42As you said,
21:43it was overworking.
21:44It's fast paced.
21:45I'm guessing there's comparison in that industry.
21:48There's competition in that industry.
21:49It's not an easy space to be.
21:51You're,
21:51you know,
21:52you're in the top 0.01% in your industry.
21:55So it's,
21:56it's hard.
21:57And the reason I asked this is because I work with so many people in this space
22:00and to have the courage to say,
22:02no,
22:03I know that if I sort this out,
22:06then all of this is going to be just fine.
22:08That actually takes more courage than we recognize.
22:11We realize that when you have nothing,
22:13then there's nothing to lose.
22:14You can actually have a lot of courage,
22:15but when you have everything and there's everything to lose.
22:17And a lot of the time,
22:19at least what I've heard in,
22:20in town is,
22:21you know,
22:22older managers and agents.
22:23And I'm not saying you have any of this,
22:24but people that I know will be told,
22:26well,
22:26Hey,
22:26if you don't do this,
22:27like you'll be forgotten next year.
22:29Or,
22:29you know,
22:29your,
22:29your career is,
22:30only going to last another six months.
22:31How did you have that courage to say,
22:33no,
22:33no,
22:33no,
22:33I need to do this.
22:35Like,
22:35where did that come from?
22:36And I think that it's interesting.
22:37Like,
22:37I've never thought about it that way to be completely honest with you.
22:40I just knew that if I had gone any further,
22:44that I was going to lose myself.
22:46I was at that very,
22:48I was on the teeter totter edge of that point where had I gone any further,
22:55I was probably not going to be great.
22:58It was so important to me.
23:00To feel good that I just knew that it was something that I had to do.
23:05And I can't say like,
23:07you're absolutely right.
23:08Like there were so many people around me that had told me not to say no and told,
23:15or told me,
23:16yeah,
23:16told me not to say no,
23:17told me not to stop.
23:19I fought my way out of it a little bit because there were people that had worked for me that,
23:23you know,
23:24didn't want me to stop because it might have benefited them.
23:27Of course.
23:27But I got to that point and I just knew I had to do it.
23:31And I just,
23:32I don't know.
23:32I don't know how to explain it.
23:34I guess it was just such an unbelievable sensation that I had where I knew that if I do this,
23:40I'm going to be better for everyone and I'm going to be better for myself,
23:43which means I'm going to be better for the people around me and I have to do this.
23:46And so it wasn't really,
23:48I want to be able to live with happiness.
23:53God forbid any of this ever went away.
23:55And I think that that was a big moment for me of being like,
23:59I'm going to be okay if I don't get this job tomorrow and I'm going to be okay.
24:04If I don't get that job in a month,
24:05if I have to take this time to do whatever things will come,
24:09everything's going to work out the way it's supposed to.
24:11And I had to trust that.
24:12Yeah.
24:13Well,
24:13to me from the outside and it's,
24:14it's beautiful that you didn't see it in yourself,
24:16because that makes it even more wonderful.
24:18But the idea that to me from the outside,
24:20that's a lot of courage.
24:21Yeah.
24:21It takes a lot of courage.
24:23It takes a lot of vulnerability and openness and,
24:25and it takes courage at every level,
24:27whether someone's thinking about quitting their job to do something they love,
24:31or whether someone's trying to relocate their family and doesn't know how,
24:35or whether someone like you is feeling success,
24:37but then going,
24:37well,
24:37wait a minute.
24:38And I think in the past few years,
24:39we've seen athletes and musicians and actors and people in all creative industries step back and say,
24:45well,
24:45well,
24:45I need to put me first.
24:46Yeah.
24:47And I think that that's empowering because I think we hear about burnout in work culture and corporate culture so often.
24:54For sure.
24:55So what,
24:56what was it that you started to do at that newfound time at that time?
25:00Like where was,
25:01is that where the curious,
25:02was the curiosity always there and now you could actually follow it?
25:05It was,
25:05it was,
25:06it was always there.
25:07And I had had a lot of people coming to me,
25:10telling me about meditation and how it changed their life and therapy and so many different things.
25:17And I was a bit overwhelmed because I was like,
25:19oh my God,
25:19what if this is going to suit me?
25:21I think it's a very personal experience.
25:23I think everybody has a very different version of all of that stuff.
25:27And so it was a little overwhelming.
25:29So I think I really just took the time to be off for a second.
25:32It was even the little things.
25:33It was like being able to go to my friend's birthday party,
25:36which I wouldn't have been able to go to before because I was working a lot.
25:40I love hearing that because I think it is those simple things like,
25:43you know,
25:44giving yourself that space,
25:45whatever it is that you needed to do when you needed it.
25:49And like you said,
25:49sometimes it's like,
25:51that's when all the subscribe buttons come up in front of you.
25:53And it's like,
25:53try this and try this.
25:54And it's like,
25:54well,
25:55no,
25:55no,
25:55no,
25:55let me just take my time.
25:57And it was also now that I think about it,
25:5923,
26:00I'm 26.
26:01I've had my horse for,
26:02so around that time is when I bought the horse that I have now,
26:08who is my,
26:09like I,
26:10I jump her and I like how I,
26:12I have two other horses,
26:13but they're like retired.
26:14So I don't really ride them the same way I ride her.
26:17So yeah,
26:17I guess it was around that time too,
26:19that I was like,
26:20I'm going to do this.
26:20Cause I love this.
26:21And like,
26:22I want to get back into it.
26:23And this is what I've loved my whole life.
26:24So,
26:25so it was around that time that I feel like all of that started happening.
26:28And I bought my horse and I like started taking more time for things that made me really happy.
26:33Yeah.
26:34What I,
26:34what I'm noticing in you and observing,
26:36or at least from just,
26:37no,
26:38in a good way,
26:39it's all good.
26:41I was just saying,
26:41it's like,
26:42it feels like no matter what's happening in your orbit,
26:44there's this pillar of belief that it's important to be happy.
26:49Yeah.
26:49Like,
26:50you know,
26:50that's like this core center belief in your life where it's important to be happy.
26:53It's important to be happy.
26:55It's that has to be the goal for sure.
26:57And you know,
26:59it's not always easy.
27:01We live in such an interesting industry and in such an interesting time with social media,
27:09that it can be very hard.
27:11Sometimes you can fall victim to so many things that don't serve you and that don't make you happy.
27:18If your happiness depends on the actions of others,
27:24you know,
27:24you're at mercy of things that you can't control.
27:28And that's never where I want to be.
27:30So I always want to live in like,
27:33me and my therapist talk about like my higher goddess,
27:35my higher self.
27:36Like I always want to live there knowing that,
27:40you know,
27:41when I'm there,
27:42you can't take that away from me.
27:43That's mine.
27:44And no matter what,
27:45you can disagree with me,
27:46you can agree with me.
27:47That's not going my,
27:49I'm not changing.
27:50I'm not shifting.
27:50I'm here.
27:51I'm in my higher goddess.
27:53So I kind of,
27:54I always live by like,
27:57keep holding my happiness and not letting anyone else affect it.
28:01And though I fall victim to it at times,
28:03as we all probably do.
28:05Absolutely.
28:05I,
28:06I strive every day to live in that place.
28:09So what,
28:09what are some of the qualities of your higher goddess?
28:12So that,
28:12that kind of avatar,
28:14like she's awesome.
28:16Like I said,
28:17I don't love a pity party.
28:18I also like,
28:19you know,
28:19sometimes it feels weird to like say good things about yourself,
28:23but I've also learned a lot about talking to myself and a lot about looking in the mirror and being like,
28:28you're great.
28:29You're gorgeous.
28:30You're amazing.
28:31You're loyal.
28:32You're positive.
28:33You're so many,
28:34like,
28:34I love words of affirmation.
28:36I love just sitting there and reassuring myself of who I am because that's another thing for me.
28:43You know,
28:44there's so many false narratives about me,
28:47about all of us.
28:48I'm sure like so many people think they have you figured out when they don't even know the half of it.
28:54So sitting there and being like,
28:57you know,
28:57you get frustrated.
28:58Sometimes it could feel really unfair.
29:00You could be reading something that someone is saying about you or hearing something that someone's saying about you and being like,
29:05that is so unfair.
29:06Cause that's not who I am.
29:07And that really gets to me sometimes.
29:10And that really sucks.
29:11But then looking at myself in the mirror and being like,
29:13but I know who I am.
29:15And that's all.
29:16Why does anything else matter?
29:18And my friends know who I am.
29:19And my family knows who I am.
29:21My dog knows who I am.
29:22My horse knows who I am.
29:23Like,
29:24why does any of everything else is just noise?
29:26I do this exercise.
29:28I don't think I've shared this before,
29:29but I do this exercise with some of my clients where we'll go on a walk and we'll be on a hike wherever we are.
29:35And I'll ask them what they think a piece of,
29:39you know,
29:39maybe there's a little leaf or maybe there's some,
29:41a flower or something that looks a little unique on the path.
29:45And I'll say,
29:45what do you think that feels like?
29:47And what do you think it would feel like if you picked it up in your hand?
29:51And they'll be like,
29:52oh,
29:52it looks really rough.
29:53And like,
29:53it might scratch me.
29:54And like,
29:55it looks like a bit,
29:56you know,
29:56like uneven or whatever.
29:58And it looks kind of hard and strong.
30:00And then I'll ask them to pick it up.
30:02And nine times out of 10,
30:05it's completely different.
30:06Like they'll pick it up and it'll just dissolve in their hands.
30:09Or they'll turn it over and the color's really soft.
30:12Sorry,
30:12the shape,
30:12the shape's really soft and the color's totally different on the other side.
30:16And I do that exercise to help us realize just how multifaceted humans are.
30:20Yeah.
30:21Today I've got to meet you.
30:22And,
30:22and obviously we're spending a lot of deep,
30:24intimate,
30:24vulnerable time together.
30:25So you learn faster about someone,
30:27but if someone only follows someone on social media,
30:30or only sees someone at an event or only sees one interview,
30:33it's so easy to create such a singular view of someone.
30:37And I think,
30:38and I want to say this because I really think we all feel it.
30:41I don't think anyone wants to be seen in a singular way.
30:45If you had to choose one word that had to be you for the rest of your life,
30:50I don't think anyone wants that.
30:52I think we all know that we're messy and complex and different,
30:56but we like to put someone else in a box,
30:59whoever that may be,
31:00because it's easier than to live life and say,
31:03okay,
31:03well that's persons A,
31:05B.
31:06Right.
31:06Yeah.
31:07So there's this beautiful piece of wisdom that I always share from Charles Horton Cooley.
31:12And he wrote this in 1890,
31:14I think it was,
31:15which just shows how true this has been for such a long time.
31:18And obviously long before that as well.
31:20And he said,
31:21the challenge today is I'm not what I think I am.
31:24I'm not what you think I am.
31:26I am what I think you think I am.
31:30And we'll let that blow everyone's mind.
31:32It gives me chills every time I say it.
31:34Charles Horton Cooley said,
31:36the challenge today is I'm not what I think I am.
31:39I'm not what you think I am.
31:41I am what I think you think I am.
31:44And what he's trying to say is that we live in a perception of a perception of ourselves.
31:49So if I think you think I'm smart,
31:52then I allow myself to feel smart.
31:55Right.
31:55It's like we need that validation.
31:56We need that validation.
31:58Or if I think you think I'm not smart,
32:01then I feel hurt.
32:02Yeah.
32:03And the challenge is I don't know what you're thinking at all,
32:05especially outside in the world.
32:07And so I find that what you're saying around like,
32:09well, what do I think about myself?
32:10Like, how do I feel about myself?
32:12How do the people that actually know me feel about me?
32:15I think that's really empowering.
32:16I wanted to ask you because I feel like
32:18from what I've seen and from what I've heard,
32:20you have great friendships.
32:21You have a great relationship with your family, as you said.
32:23Like, what do you think have been really great habits
32:26or traits in relationships
32:29that have helped you build up good friendships
32:30and family relationships?
32:31Because I think for so many people,
32:33sometimes their friendships and their family
32:35can often be the most difficult part.
32:37But I feel like the way you communicate
32:39or the way you're talking about it,
32:41I'm like, okay, there's some really good habits in place here.
32:43Yeah.
32:43Have there been any principles or rules
32:45that you've learned along the way that have been helpful?
32:47I mean, of course, honesty.
32:49I'm a big person on like keeping a really honest,
32:54healthy, communicative relationship.
32:57But I also think like,
32:59I find it really important to have,
33:02not feel like you're on top of each other
33:04when you have your family around or your friends around.
33:06It's okay to like, sometimes,
33:08even if you're at like a family dinner,
33:10running to the bathroom and just being like,
33:11let me just take a couple of breaths
33:12because this is getting overwhelming.
33:14That's a great one.
33:15Do you know what I mean?
33:15So I just love to like,
33:17take a second.
33:19My feelings are valid.
33:20Like sometimes my family's a lot,
33:22which I bet everyone already knows.
33:23And everyone's family.
33:24Everyone's family have a sense of crazy to them.
33:27But I think that I can get really overwhelmed really easily.
33:31I am prone to just, you know,
33:34a good amount of anxiety
33:35and just being extremely overwhelmed
33:37and kind of taking everything too seriously sometimes.
33:40So I like to just step away sometimes
33:42and just be like, this is okay.
33:43I'm allowed to feel this way.
33:44It's valid.
33:45I'm just going to take a deep breath
33:46and I'm not going to react.
33:47And then I'm going to go back out there
33:48and I'm going to be fine.
33:49That's a great idea.
33:50Sometimes I do that.
33:51I love that.
33:52I love how easy it is.
33:53You don't need to learn a new meditation practice.
33:56Or new thing.
33:56Sometimes it's just as simple as that.
33:58Yeah.
33:59It's as simple as that.
34:00I love that.
34:01You know, one of the things that,
34:03you know, which really touched my heart
34:05when I saw this,
34:05because I think when things happen in culture
34:08and everyone talks about it,
34:09but sometimes you're like,
34:10okay, well, I can tell that
34:11there's a real connection here.
34:13Like when you lost Virgil, right?
34:15Like that, when I saw your message
34:17and what you spoke about it,
34:18I was like, wow, this is someone
34:20who had a really deep connection with this individual.
34:22And going through grief is really, really tough.
34:25Like, you know, people who lose,
34:26and I lost two really close people to me
34:28during the pandemic.
34:29I'm sorry.
34:30One was, thank you.
34:31One was, one was my spiritual teacher
34:33since I was 12 years old.
34:35And he died of stage four brain cancer.
34:37And I hadn't seen him during the pandemic.
34:39I couldn't go back for his,
34:41because that was still when it was like tight lockdown.
34:43So I couldn't go back for his funeral.
34:45And, you know, he'd been the person
34:47who'd been such a key piece of my life.
34:50And then the other person,
34:51pretty much in the same year,
34:52was my best friend as a monk.
34:55So he was still a monk.
34:56Wow.
34:57And he happened to get cancer
34:58and he passed away during the pandemic.
35:00I couldn't see him either.
35:01And he was my age.
35:02And so to lose someone that was,
35:04you know, he was still there.
35:05And so, yeah.
35:06And so, and so when I saw your,
35:08you know, your wonderful tribute to Virgil as well,
35:11I was like, you know,
35:12how, how do you process something like that
35:14when, you know, it's not only industry friends,
35:17but genuine friendship beyond that.
35:19And just how, yeah.
35:20Well, my first thought here is,
35:22why is it always the best people?
35:24Like, why is it always these people
35:25that are just such balls of light
35:28in everyone's life?
35:30It's like, so you just think about it
35:31and you're like, this is so unfair
35:33and you're going through every emotion.
35:35And to be honest, it was really shocking
35:38because not everyone knew
35:40what he was going through and suffering from.
35:44So it was really shocking.
35:46I'll never forget the day I found out.
35:48And it just absolutely, obviously breaks your heart.
35:54And you can't help but be like,
35:57oh my God, did I, did I ever say enough?
36:00Did I ever tell him enough?
36:02It's really interesting to share that feeling
36:05with so many people.
36:06Yeah.
36:07It feels good in a way.
36:08And you're just like,
36:10it makes you feel so human.
36:12And you're sharing this emotion
36:14with people that knew him,
36:15people that didn't know him,
36:17people that just loved him from afar.
36:19And it's just a really beautiful
36:22and incredible thing to a certain degree,
36:25but then also just obviously
36:26the most devastating thing.
36:29It hits so hard
36:30when so many people are talking about it
36:33and so many people are affected by it.
36:35So it was definitely a really shocking,
36:39really sad time.
36:41Yeah.
36:42It was, yeah.
36:43Yeah.
36:43And those,
36:43and it's really interesting
36:44what you said there is like why,
36:45and I had that with my spiritual teacher for sure.
36:48I was just like,
36:49like he was, you know,
36:51and, and what's really powerful
36:53about what I could at least remember
36:56from him at that time
36:56was that even though he had stage four brain cancer,
36:59which means he'd lost his short-term memory
37:01and a lot of his long-term memory is impaired.
37:04If you ever met him,
37:06he would just thank you for your service to God.
37:08Like he would just say,
37:09thank you for everything you're doing for other people.
37:11And he would just be grateful.
37:13And I was just like-
37:14That's exactly how V was too.
37:16He was the most positive,
37:19lived life,
37:21like appreciative,
37:23wanted to say yes to everything,
37:25wanted to just be there for everyone.
37:28You could literally ask him
37:30to design a pencil for you.
37:31And he would be like,
37:32it'll be done tomorrow.
37:33What are you,
37:34what else do you need?
37:34Like he just had so much to give
37:38and he gave it.
37:39And that wasn't,
37:41that was pre his diagnosis.
37:43That was like,
37:44that was just who Virgil was.
37:46And so to then find out
37:48what he found out
37:49at a certain point in his life
37:50and still be that person,
37:52it's still like,
37:52I'm going to show up for everyone.
37:53And like my time here
37:56is so special
37:57to all these other people.
37:58And I'm going to like be here
38:00to make them feel amazing.
38:02It's just like unreal.
38:04Like it makes you just be like,
38:05what?
38:06Like how you're,
38:08how could you be that incredible
38:10and giving?
38:10Like that is so crazy.
38:12There wasn't a selfish bone
38:13in that man's body.
38:14Like he was just the best.
38:16But I'm sorry to hear about your.
38:18Oh, no, no.
38:19I think it's,
38:19it's actually nice speaking
38:21about people that we both love
38:22in a,
38:23in a,
38:23in a similar way,
38:24even though they're in such
38:25different places in life
38:26doing very different things.
38:28Yeah.
38:28But to talk about someone's,
38:30and I think that's a big part of it
38:31for me,
38:31at least with grief,
38:32that I feel like when I talk
38:34about the beautiful qualities
38:35of the people that I lost,
38:37it gives me so much confidence
38:40that they want me to live it
38:43and they want me to try
38:44and embody it
38:45and that how fortunate we are
38:47to have experienced
38:48that type of humanity.
38:49Yeah.
38:49Like, you know.
38:50And those are my thoughts of him.
38:51Like,
38:52I think all we ever really want
38:54as human beings is to be,
38:55you know,
38:55when we do leave this earth,
38:57we want to be remembered
38:58so beautifully and positively,
39:00positively.
39:01I know,
39:01at least I do,
39:02of course,
39:03but like,
39:03you just want,
39:04you of course want
39:05to make people feel something.
39:07And he made so many people
39:09feel something.
39:10And for that,
39:11it is so special.
39:12Like what do they say
39:13that we,
39:13you know,
39:14we have our purpose here
39:15and I know that he fulfilled
39:16a purpose here
39:18that he was supposed to fulfill.
39:19And I think that that's,
39:21I think about it beautifully.
39:22Like I,
39:23obviously it's a very,
39:24very sad situation
39:26and it,
39:26and it breaks my heart,
39:28but I have nothing
39:30but beautiful thoughts of him.
39:32And I think that's really cool
39:33and really special.
39:34So,
39:34yeah.
39:35Thank you for sharing that too.
39:36And I,
39:36I had to ask you because,
39:38yeah,
39:39I just,
39:39I feel,
39:40I love hearing amazing things
39:41about amazing people that,
39:42you know,
39:43because I think so many
39:44of the most incredible people,
39:45I grew up reading about people
39:46that I never met.
39:47And I spent a lot of my life
39:49studying books about people
39:50that I never met.
39:51So Malcolm X
39:52and Martin Luther King
39:53and Einstein
39:54and people that I really see
39:55as people that have directed
39:57so much of my life
39:58from how they lived.
40:00And I feel like
40:02he was potentially
40:03one of those people
40:03that I never met him.
40:04But whenever I hear about him,
40:05I'm just like,
40:06for sure,
40:07this is someone
40:07that we could learn from.
40:08And you spoke about purpose there.
40:11I was wondering,
40:11how has your purpose changed?
40:13You had this very confident view
40:15of I want to be a model.
40:16You know,
40:17you've superseded,
40:18exceeded,
40:19and continue to flourish
40:20in that world.
40:21And I always wish that you do.
40:23How has your purpose evolved
40:24as that time's gone on?
40:26I think I've learned a lot.
40:27I've learned a lot about myself,
40:30about what I want from my life,
40:32and which is kind of
40:33what we've been talking about.
40:34But I'm actually really excited
40:36to get older.
40:38And to learn so much more
40:40about not only myself,
40:42but like the journey
40:44and the path
40:44that I guess want to take
40:46and want to be on.
40:48So I'd say,
40:49you know,
40:50my purpose has evolved
40:51from obviously within business,
40:54doing what I want to do
40:55and making sure I'm happy
40:57and finding the thing that I love
40:59and all those things.
41:00But I've kind of,
41:02like I said,
41:03really tuned into me.
41:04And I think my purpose,
41:06at least at this very moment,
41:07and what I've kind of evolved into
41:08is my higher goddess.
41:11Like I am determined
41:12to tune into her at all times.
41:14But also,
41:15as I get older,
41:17I have so much
41:18that I want
41:19to connect
41:20with other people
41:23and with,
41:24you know,
41:25AKA social media
41:26and people
41:27that may not know me personally.
41:29And just,
41:30you know,
41:30the following,
41:30like I said,
41:31I was given this life
41:33for some reason,
41:34for whatever reason,
41:35I was placed here.
41:36And I do feel a purpose
41:38to share
41:40and connect
41:41and put a smile
41:42on people's faces
41:43or make someone feel
41:44a positive feeling.
41:46And so I think that
41:47within me wanting
41:48to achieve
41:49me tuning
41:50into my higher goddess,
41:51I think that also entails
41:52me being a
41:54great version of myself
41:55for other people
41:57to then experience
41:59and my tips
42:00and my tools
42:01and whatever I can share,
42:02whatever help I can give.
42:04I really,
42:05you know,
42:06as corny as it sounds,
42:07I want to spread love.
42:08Like I want people
42:09to feel love.
42:10That's really,
42:12I guess,
42:12the purpose.
42:13Yeah.
42:13That's beautiful.
42:15I mean,
42:15what more could you ask for?
42:16Right.
42:16Yeah.
42:17And it is funny
42:18that so much of the stuff
42:19that is corny
42:20or, you know,
42:20whatever,
42:21that's the stuff
42:21that's true.
42:22Right.
42:22That's the stuff.
42:23It is.
42:24Like,
42:25there's also
42:25just,
42:26we all just like
42:27live in such a,
42:28it's an interesting time,
42:29obviously,
42:29and it can feel
42:30really negative.
42:32And I tend
42:34to stay off
42:34of platforms
42:36like social media platforms
42:37because it's hard
42:38to look at sometimes
42:39and it feels really negative.
42:40So I feel like
42:41we all just need
42:42a little bit of
42:42a smile sometimes.
42:44I agree.
42:44I agree.
42:45I post these
42:46videos every day
42:48which are just
42:48these fun,
42:50silly things
42:51that happen in the world
42:51that my team will find,
42:53I'll find.
42:54And I post them every day
42:54literally for that reason
42:56and that reason only
42:56because I'm like,
42:57I may or may say,
42:58may or may not say
43:00something that makes
43:00someone smile.
43:01Right.
43:01But this definitely will.
43:03Yeah, right.
43:03Like this,
43:03this without a doubt
43:05will bring some joy
43:05to someone's life.
43:06I love that.
43:06And if this is the only joy
43:08that someone experienced,
43:08I want them to see
43:09good in the world
43:10and believe that
43:11there's good in the world.
43:11That's one of my favorite
43:12things to see on TikTok
43:14when I sit in my bed at night
43:15and fall victim to TikTok.
43:16I love to see,
43:18there's people that I'll post
43:19like,
43:20here's like five
43:21amazing facts
43:23that have happened
43:23in the world
43:24in the last couple weeks
43:25or whatever
43:25and it'll be like,
43:26the,
43:27you know,
43:28pandas are not extinct anymore
43:29and like,
43:30the Great Barrier Reef
43:31is coming back
43:32and stuff like that.
43:33And so I'm like,
43:33that's so cool.
43:34That's what I want to hear.
43:35Exactly.
43:36And,
43:36you know,
43:37if it was like,
43:37it's going down,
43:38it's like,
43:39it's going to get
43:39a lot of likes and hits
43:40but if it's going up,
43:42it doesn't get the same attention.
43:43Yeah.
43:43Why do we like gravitate
43:45towards the negative so much?
43:46Like,
43:47very interesting.
43:48We have to retrain.
43:49I genuinely believe
43:50it's just a pattern.
43:51It's a pattern
43:52and a habit
43:53that's been adopted
43:54for so long.
43:55Absolutely.
43:55And we have to retrain ourselves.
43:57The clickbait of it all
43:58and the whole thing
43:59and we're like,
44:01that's going downhill.
44:02I need to see what's happening
44:03and we're just like,
44:05we do need to retrain our brains.
44:07It's exactly what it is.
44:08Yeah.
44:08And it starts
44:09with what you said earlier.
44:10It starts with how we see ourselves.
44:11It is all from that.
44:13If someone looks in the mirror,
44:14as you were saying earlier,
44:15or if someone just reflects
44:17on themselves,
44:18not physically,
44:19but just internally,
44:21most of us will spot
44:23all the negative things
44:24about ourself
44:25and then we take that out
44:26into the world
44:27and spot all the negative things
44:28about everyone else
44:29and then we take that out
44:30into social media.
44:32So that just propels from,
44:34if you ask...
44:34It's all a reflection.
44:35It's all, yeah.
44:36If we ask someone
44:37to sit down
44:37and write down,
44:38as you said,
44:39we feel uncomfortable
44:39taking a compliment
44:40or we feel uncomfortable
44:42saying...
44:42Saying nice about ourselves.
44:43Exactly.
44:44And so it all starts
44:45with our relationship
44:46with ourself.
44:47If we were able to find
44:48three good things
44:49about ourselves today,
44:51I promise you,
44:51you're going to find
44:52three good things
44:52about the person
44:53sitting in front of you
44:54and that will...
44:55Right, exactly.
44:56I do a lot of inner child work
45:00with my therapist
45:01and there's actually
45:03a trend on TikTok
45:04that was going around
45:04but coincidentally enough,
45:06we ended up naturally
45:07speaking about it
45:08in my session
45:09and it was this trend
45:10on TikTok, I guess,
45:11that was like a girl
45:13being like,
45:14anytime you're being mean
45:16to yourself,
45:17just think this is
45:18who you're talking about
45:19and then it flashes
45:19to a photo of her as a kid.
45:21And so me and my therapist
45:23were talking about
45:24something similar
45:25and she was like,
45:26why don't you find
45:26like a photo of yourself
45:27and put it on your
45:28bathroom mirror
45:29so that every morning,
45:31every night,
45:32every day when you walk
45:33into your bathroom mirror,
45:34you're looking at her
45:34and you're remembering
45:35that if there's anything
45:36negative that you're
45:37ever saying about yourself,
45:38if you're ever being
45:38mean to yourself,
45:39you're talking about her.
45:41And so I did that
45:42and I went into my,
45:43I went into like
45:44my memorabilia closet
45:45in my house
45:46and I was looking
45:47through old like photo books
45:48and I've seen these
45:49photo books my whole life.
45:50I've literally seen
45:51every photo that's been in here
45:52and I like flipped to a page
45:54and there was a photo
45:55I'd never seen
45:56of myself ever.
45:57It was a Polaroid
45:58so it was the original photo
45:59and it was just me
46:01as a little girl
46:02with a bow in my hair
46:03and a dress on
46:04and I have like
46:04a little alien tattoo
46:05or something right here
46:06and I'm like,
46:07have this big cheesy smile
46:08on my face
46:09and I was like,
46:10that's the photo
46:10I'm putting on my thing.
46:11I can show you the photo later.
46:12I have a picture of it
46:13on my phone.
46:14But so I pasted it
46:16on my bathroom mirror
46:17and I talked to her
46:18and I'm always like,
46:20if I'm ever looking
46:20in the mirror
46:21and being negative
46:21towards myself
46:22or anything,
46:23I always look right over
46:24to her and I'm like,
46:25she's dope
46:26and I love her.
46:27And so it's just another way
46:29of just self-love.
46:30I love that.
46:30That's such a great tool.
46:31That's such a great tool.
46:32My team found a kid picture
46:34of me and made an embarrassing
46:35version of that trend
46:35so I'll show you that too.
46:37Oh, awesome.
46:38Okay, so you know it.
46:38Yeah, I know exactly
46:39what you're talking about as well.
46:42Kendall, you were saying earlier
46:43that you wanted to come here
46:45and you wanted to share
46:46and you manifested
46:47and there were things
46:47you wanted to share.
46:48What is it that's on your heart
46:49that you've wanted to share
46:51that maybe we didn't go there
46:52today already
46:53or is there something
46:53on your mind and heart
46:54as an experience
46:55or anything that really drew you here
46:58and made this happen, right?
47:00Like I want to honor that.
47:03I think we've honestly touched
47:05a lot of what I felt like
47:06I would have loved
47:07to get off my heart
47:08I don't know
47:09I was really excited
47:10honestly to come here
47:12and share a little bit of me
47:16that I feel is very sometimes
47:19scary for me to share
47:20and like I said
47:21I came in here
47:22and I was a little nervous
47:23because this is important to me
47:24and like this part of
47:26you know everyone's journey
47:28and what we're talking about today
47:30is it's so important.
47:32I really that was
47:33I guess my intention here today
47:34was to come in
47:35and share a little bit of me
47:37and maybe for whoever's watching
47:39they find some comfort in this
47:41or some joy from this
47:42or they understand me
47:44a little bit more
47:45you know what I mean?
47:46So I think that
47:47we've hit a lot of really cool points
47:49and yeah I mean
47:51I feel really good.
47:52Good.
47:53I wanted to honor that.
47:53I ask that because
47:55you know I think
47:56I think when
47:57when you feel
47:58you're in that flow with someone
47:59and yeah I feel like
48:00you know
48:00we've learned so many new things
48:02about you today
48:02and there's so many moments
48:03where I'm like
48:04I just feel like
48:05you're so comfortable
48:06and you've been so open with us
48:08but I just wanted to honor that.
48:10And make sure that you feel
48:11that you've really felt heard
48:12and seen.
48:12I appreciate that.
48:14So I hope so.
48:16We all want to just be understood
48:17at the end of the day.
48:18I think the closer you get
48:20to people, humans
48:23the closer you get to people
48:25of different backgrounds
48:26and different walks of life
48:27the more you start to recognize
48:30how similar we all are.
48:31Yeah exactly.
48:32And how many challenges
48:33we all share
48:34despite how much money
48:36someone has in the bank
48:37despite how much fame
48:38someone has
48:38despite how much followers
48:40someone has
48:40and what we find is that
48:42everyone feels their own guilt
48:43for where they are
48:44and everyone feels
48:45their own pressure
48:46for where they are
48:47and everyone feels
48:48their own challenge
48:48for where they are
48:49and you just start to realize
48:50that we all have
48:51the same emotions
48:52in different mixes.
48:55Yeah we're all just
48:55having a human experience.
48:57We're all just going
48:58day by day.
49:00I think we all need
49:01to be a little bit kinder
49:02to each other
49:02and just take it easy
49:04on some people
49:05because we are.
49:07We all have our own struggles
49:08and I don't know.
49:11I'm an empath
49:12so I feel for things
49:14and I feel for people
49:15and yeah.
49:18Yeah and it starts
49:19with you.
49:20The person.
49:20Right.
49:21Yeah it starts with you.
49:22I thought you met me.
49:22I was like I don't know
49:23I don't have that power.
49:24I was like thank you.
49:26No no no.
49:26I meant that to our listener.
49:28It starts with yourself.
49:29It starts with yourself.
49:30Yeah absolutely.
49:31If you can be kinder
49:32to yourself chances
49:33are you're going to be
49:34I found that the days
49:35I stopped judging myself
49:37I stopped judging others
49:38because it changed
49:40how I saw humanities.
49:42Kendall we end
49:43every On Purpose episode
49:45with a final five
49:46which is a fast five round.
49:48I ask you a question
49:49and you answer it
49:50with a one word
49:52or one sentence maximum
49:53so it's super quick
49:54and short
49:54and we have to
49:55whisk you away
49:56because you need to
49:57you need to go
49:57to your next appointment
49:58but okay
49:59so the first question is
50:00what's something
50:01you're curious about
50:02right now?
50:03Oh
50:04I am super curious
50:08about
50:09I was saying
50:10how I love
50:11Michael Singer
50:13and I think
50:13what I really love
50:14I'm reading
50:14The Surrender Experiment
50:16right now
50:16and I'm only in the first
50:17couple chapters
50:18so he's basically
50:18this is not a quick answer
50:20It's great
50:20I love it though
50:21please please
50:21He's basically
50:22at the first part
50:23of the book
50:24where he's talking about
50:25how he was curious
50:26about meditation
50:27and how he got into meditation
50:29and how he really
50:30just was like
50:30on a trip
50:31with his friends
50:31and his girlfriend
50:32in the woods
50:33and like sat in a corner
50:34or sat at a tree
50:35and was like
50:35I'm gonna just really
50:36dive into this
50:37and see what happens
50:37that's what I'm curious
50:39about right now
50:39it's just actually
50:41like I meditate
50:41I do a lot of breathing work
50:43breathing exercises
50:44and I just really
50:45want to tap in
50:46like Michael Singer did
50:48I love that
50:48that's beautiful
50:49that's a great answer
50:50that's a great answer
50:50second question
50:52if there's anything
50:52that you're working on
50:53personally right now
50:54what are you working on
50:55on yourself
50:55is there any
50:56yes
50:56I'm working on
50:58I'm working on boundaries
51:00and I'm working on
51:02not
51:03I'm a stressor
51:04like I can stress
51:05about things
51:07and my mind
51:08and I overthink
51:09and I just
51:09so I'm really working
51:10on like
51:11calming down
51:12and just
51:13letting things flow better
51:15and not being
51:16so controlling
51:17over things
51:17especially that
51:18I can't control
51:19love it
51:19question number three
51:21what's your favorite
51:22thing about
51:23founding 818
51:24oh
51:25being an entrepreneur
51:27and being a founder
51:27probably that
51:28like I
51:29I
51:30you know
51:31was a model
51:32and I worked
51:33for people a lot
51:34I kind of love
51:35being my own boss
51:36and really being able
51:37to have my own creative
51:39a place where I can
51:41be creative
51:42and just really express
51:44my creativity
51:44and have so much fun
51:46doing all of that
51:46creative stuff
51:47and I've learned so much
51:49and learning about the culture
51:50and learning about
51:51the tequila
51:52and everything
51:53like I've just had
51:53the best time
51:54so
51:54I love that
51:55question number four
51:56what's something you used to value
51:58but you don't value anymore
51:59validation
52:01great answer
52:04I don't care anymore
52:05great answer
52:06at least I'm telling myself that
52:07yes
52:08yeah
52:08well we have to
52:09make it a thought first
52:10right
52:10no but it's true
52:11like I used to care
52:13so much more
52:14about validation
52:15I really don't care anymore
52:16at least as much
52:17thank you
52:18fifth and final question
52:20if you could create
52:21one law
52:21that everyone in the world
52:22had to follow
52:23what would it be
52:24ooh
52:25I would do like
52:26on like a Sunday
52:28you have to take
52:29half the day
52:30and like
52:30not look at your phone
52:31or something
52:32that's great
52:32I love that
52:33that's a legit law
52:34that's great
52:35right
52:35yeah
52:35it would be kind of nice
52:36or the full day
52:37or the full day
52:37for being really crazy
52:39I love that idea
52:40I love that
52:41Kendall Jenner everyone
52:42this was amazing
52:43Kendall
52:43this
52:44thank you
52:44honestly
52:45and I'm excited
52:46to catch up afterwards too
52:48but
52:48there's
52:49there's just so much
52:49flow and synergy
52:50in this whole
52:51thing happening
52:52and I couldn't thank you more
52:53for doing this with me
52:54here on On Purpose
52:56and I hope that
52:57this is the first
52:58of many times
52:58that we'll do this
52:59but I hope it's
53:00the beginning of a
53:01beautiful friendship
53:01for sure
53:02and relationship
53:03and I want to
53:04everyone who's been
53:05listening or watching
53:06back at home
53:06please let me
53:08and Kendall know
53:08tag us
53:09letting us know
53:09what resonated with you
53:11what connected with you
53:11like what was it
53:13that you've got curious about
53:14or what was something
53:15she said that just
53:16shifted your perspective
53:17or where you learned
53:18something new
53:18I'd love to hear it
53:19I know there were
53:20tons of moments for me
53:21where I was listening
53:23going this is amazing
53:24this is incredible
53:25this is awesome
53:25so any wisdom nuggets
53:27that stuck out to you
53:28please let us know
53:29because I love seeing
53:30what made a difference
53:31in your life as well
53:32and a big thank you
53:34to Kendall
53:34for opening our heart
53:35and opening up our mind
53:36thank you
53:37I'm honored
53:38thank you so much
53:39thank you so much
53:40thank you
53:40that's amazing
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