00:00Minister, what about with such a focus on defence spending, on military build-up, is there a bit of a sense that in the future it's going to be a world order where it's governed by who has the biggest stick?
00:13It's going to be hard power, that is, is the order of the day.
00:17You need to speak softly, but you need a stick. And it's better to have a big stick than a small stick. So I think that's, yeah, it will be also hard power.
00:26Europe has a tradition of soft power, diplomacy, trade, but we need hard power as well. We see that the world is not a nice place. It's a hard place and it's not getting better, it's getting worse. So yeah, absolutely.
