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00:00Great to be back in Boca Raton. I'm trying to think, the last time we did the event here, what did we do it on? Do you remember?
00:10It was something good, I remember. We did a bill signing, and I think we did the Medal of Freedom, too, Governor's Freedom Medal.
00:18Didn't we do that? Yeah, that was pretty cool.
00:21Okay, well, we're here today. I'm joined by Ray Rodriguez, who's the chairman, chancellor of the State University System of Florida.
00:30I also have president of Florida Atlantic University, Adam Hasner, who's been on the job. How long have you been on the job?
00:37A hundred days.
00:45Chairman of the University of South Carolina Board of Trustees, Thad Westbrook, is with us today.
00:52They get appointed by the legislature to be on those boards, which is probably more treacherous politically than getting appointed by the governor.
00:58So, good on you. We also have senior associate vice chancellor of Texas A&M University System, Dr. Shonda Gibson.
01:07So, thank you for being here.
01:09So, as you might expect, we're here today to talk about higher education, and I'm proud that Florida, for many years now, has been ranked as the number one public university higher education system in the country.
01:26Part of the reason we earned that is because we have the lowest tuition of any state in the United States, and since I've been governor, the tuition that you pay is like $6,300 in state.
01:43That was true when I became governor, and it's still true today. We haven't moved at one penny.
01:48And so, consequently, 77% of undergraduate students in Florida graduate loan-free and debt-free, and that is not the norm throughout the country.
02:00And the percentage continues to increase year over year.
02:05I mean, part of it is just the fact that, you know, $6,000 isn't what it used to be, right?
02:10I mean, it used to be more inflation, all this stuff.
02:12So, we've held the line, even as there has been overall inflation, and I think everybody knows in the last 30, 40 years,
02:19there's been massive inflation in higher education where we've had a lot of students around the country end up going deep into debt,
02:28and they graduate, and some of them end up in programs with degrees that are not worth very much, and they're really in a tough spot.
02:36So, it's the opposite in Florida, and we have our student performance has gone up so much over the last 20, 30 years that you qualify.
02:47Most of these students are qualifying for bright future scholarships, which is either 100% or 75% of your tuition paid for.
02:55So, if you have that, you obviously don't need to go into any debt.
02:59But even if you don't, that tuition and the expenses, that's manageable if someone wants to work a part-time job or something.
03:06I mean, I did that a lot when I was coming up.
03:09So, that's important, and we're really proud of that.
03:12We want to make sure that people can do that.
03:13We also have seen what's happened over many decades where some students are told,
03:20you're not going to be successful unless you get a four-year degree.
03:24That's not true.
03:25There's a lot of pathways other than a four-year degree.
03:27So, while we're proud of what FAU is doing here in Boca, we're proud of what FIU is doing in Miami, USF,
03:34I was there yesterday in Tampa, it's great, and that's a great pathway for a lot of people.
03:39But that's not the only pathway, and it's not the best pathway for some of our students as they mature through secondary school.
03:50And so, we've really put an emphasis on workforce education.
03:53So, we've more than doubled the apprenticeships that are available in the state of Florida.
03:58We have programs, even now in middle school, for vocational education.
04:04A lot of our high schools are doing really, really well,
04:07and students are actually graduating high schools in Florida with certifications in things like HVAC and electrical.
04:14Guess what?
04:15They're going to get hired when they have those types of skills.
04:18So, there's more than one way to go about it.
04:21And we're not telling you you've got to do this or you've got to do that,
04:23but what we are saying is that it's wrong if someone's telling you unless you get a four-year degree,
04:29you're not going to be successful.
04:31Because I think a lot of people that got pushed that way over the last many decades,
04:35a lot of them didn't even end up getting the degree, right?
04:37So, you go, you take out debt, you toil for a few years, you don't get the degree.
04:43Well, you could have just started debt-free right out of high school and been better off at that point.
04:48And then some that get degrees are getting degrees that are in kind of more of these,
04:53let's just say, non-germane studies that we've seen percolate in academia over many decades.
05:00And so, again, that's just not a huge job market for some of the things that people are doing.
05:05So, this is a great pathway, and we're really, really proud of it.
05:08We also, and I think a lot of people have seen what's happened on our university campuses since October 7th of 2023.
05:16It really exposed, I think, a soft underbelly of higher education,
05:22things that there was rot in the system for a long time.
05:26It wasn't just October 7th that caused it, but I think that revealed it in ways.
05:31When you see things like Columbia University being overtaken by these Hamas demonstrators,
05:36you see basically these university administrators impotent in the face of really harassment of Jewish students, faculty.
05:45The things that were going on, that did cause a lot of people to say, you know, what is going on on these campuses?
05:51Now, this is something that we've been concerned about for a long time because I just know that the people of Florida,
05:57they want the universities that they fund with their tax dollars to be about education, not indoctrination.
06:05They don't want to send their kids to universities, and instead of focusing on academic rigor, the pursuit of truth,
06:14preparing students to be citizens of the republic, you end up in some type of ideological joyride,
06:22which is, one, detached from what you really need to be successful,
06:26but then, two, is likely not consistent with how they raise their kids.
06:30And you don't want to work 18 years to instill those values, turn them over,
06:34and all of a sudden they're taught something totally different.
06:37So higher education has veered throughout our country off really solid foundations that it was meant to be.
06:46So in Florida, we've not just talked about that.
06:48We've actually acted in ways to deliver reforms so that we can ensure we're operating on a solid foundation.
06:56We are the first state in the country, and we may still be the only state,
07:00I don't know if any of them have followed suit, to overhaul tenure in universities.
07:07And so we now have something called post-tenure review.
07:11And so all tenured professors now must undergo those reviews within five years,
07:16and they can be terminated for poor performance.
07:19And I think of what you see both from a financial perspective in universities,
07:25the biggest economic dead weight in running a university are unproductive tenured faculty
07:30because they're just there like barnacles on a ship, and they don't do anything.
07:34And so, you know, you want to be able to process out, like if they're not doing.
07:38And then, two, those tend to be the types that focus less on research and less on teaching and more on activism.
07:46And, you know, universities is not – we're not trying to fund activist camps here.
07:51That's not what we want to do.
07:53If you want to be an activist, go apply to be a professor at Berkeley or some of these other places.
07:58I'm sure you'll fit right in, but that's not what we want to do.
08:01So using post-tenure review is something that's really important.
08:05And, you know, they have done that in a number of universities.
08:08I know University of Florida, New College, some of these others.
08:13And the media would be like, oh, professors are fleeing Florida.
08:19And that's actually not – that's not really the case.
08:22It's if you have Marxist professors leaving Florida, that is a good thing for Florida.
08:28That is not a bad thing for Florida.
08:30But you're replacing these folks with folks who are coming in to teach and to do research.
08:37And that's one of the things that we did.
08:38We said, okay, you've got to hold faculty accountable.
08:41You can't just say you get tenure and you can do whatever you want for 30 years.
08:46You need to have accountability.
08:48But you also need to make sure that we have an ability to bring in really good people.
08:52So we have overhauled the hiring ability.
08:56So, you know, Adam Hasner, as the president, you know, he can go.
09:00He can go to MIT.
09:01And if there's somebody that's good, he can say, look, son, you can come to here.
09:05And they can offer them a position.
09:07The board of trustees can work and offer positions.
09:10We don't want to get in a place where very talented individuals are denied being hired
09:16because they're being blackballed by some ideological litmus test.
09:20That is unacceptable.
09:22And you've seen that in many parts of the country at these universities.
09:26You know, we ban these hiring statements, these diversity statements or whatever.
09:31Literally, they would make you say these things.
09:34And if you weren't willing to do that, then you were totally persona non grata.
09:38You had no chance to get hired.
09:41So what you've seen is, and we have the Hamilton Center at University of Florida.
09:45They've brought in really amazing, amazing scholars to be a part of that.
09:51Now, we've also, for a couple years, provided a lot of resources.
09:55So we did, I think the last two years has been $100 million each year for universities to be able to offer added compensation.
10:03And some of that is to keep some of the good ones that they have here.
10:06But some of it's also to entice some of these folks from some of these other parts of the country.
10:12And it's ripe.
10:14It's ripe because, as you've seen, kind of the out-of-control, woke ideology overtake a lot of these universities.
10:21You've got a lot of people that, you know, they've dedicated their lives to being involved in higher education.
10:26And they're like, this is not what I signed up for.
10:29You know, I believe in truth.
10:31I believe two and two, two plus two equals four.
10:34I don't think two plus two equals eight.
10:36And, like, we have to have a grounding in the truth.
10:39And you've seen a lot of that veer away where ideology has taken over.
10:43So there's a lot of people that want to be in an environment that is really focused on the pursuit of truth,
10:50where voices are welcome to be able to have very robust debates.
10:54And we've had some great debates on our campuses throughout the state of Florida,
10:58where people come in from opposing viewpoints and are able to do things.
11:02Part of, I think, moving away from the indoctrination bent was our first-in-the-nation again legislation to eliminate DEI and focus on merit.
11:14And the DEI, I don't, some people say, oh, it was well-intentioned to start.
11:19I don't really know because I wasn't involved in that.
11:21But I can tell you how it was practiced was contrary to, I think, the values that we want to uphold,
11:28which is merit, achievement, people being treated on the basis of their abilities,
11:34not being divvied up by things that are not pertinent to their aptitude.
11:40So we did that.
11:42Now I think that when we did that, we were going up against the teeth of this.
11:47Like, because what happened, I guess, 2020, 2021, 2022, that was like the wave, right?
11:54And so we come in and said no, and oh, man, we got a lot of flack for doing that.
12:00But now the tide has kind of shifted, and so the wind's at the back.
12:04So I know more and more states have done that.
12:06And obviously the Trump administration has leaned heavily against the DEI for that.
12:12And I would say they said it was diversity, equity, inclusion.
12:14And the way it was practiced around this country was division, exclusion, and indoctrination DEI.
12:22And that obviously has no place in our public university system, especially funded by tax dollars.
12:29So we are going to focus on merit.
12:32We're not going to change standards.
12:35We're not going to play games.
12:37We want to attract good people.
12:39We understand good people come from a wide variety of backgrounds.
12:42But ultimately, you've got to be judged on merit and achievement.
12:46And that's really what we're doing, what's really, really important.
12:50So I want to thank everybody that's been involved in implementing that.
12:52It wasn't necessarily easy initially.
12:55Now I think we're in a little bit better place.
12:58We also are, you know, you can't be all things to all people when you're talking about higher education.
13:05So much of higher education in the last many decades in this country has embraced just whatever the latest ideological fad is.
13:15And so you see some of the courses that are offered and things that are just, you know, different from what had been the core of a classical education.
13:26And, you know, classical liberal arts, as much as we talk about STEM and engineering, math, it's all important.
13:34But really classical liberal arts is something that can really help prepare people to understand things, to think sharply, to think clearly.
13:42And I know that we've had universities around the state that have really eliminated some of the fluff on the course offerings.
13:53And I think that that's really good.
13:54You know, you'll go to some of these places around the country.
13:57And if you want to study the foundations of America, how did our republic come to be?
14:03How did the revolution?
14:04I mean, we're going to have the 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence in a year.
14:09How did we end up launching the country?
14:13What went into all that?
14:15Honestly, you don't really find very good offerings in many parts of this country.
14:19They want to focus on other things.
14:22They want to make it about ethnicity and gender and race and everything and see everything through that prism instead of really having students grapple with some of the big ideas that were prevalent at the time.
14:34And we actually, one of the things that we've done in our K-12 is we've put a renewed emphasis on American civics.
14:42And we had, like, you've got to learn the Federalist Papers.
14:44You've got to learn this.
14:45You've got to learn that.
14:45Great.
14:46But you've also got to have teachers that understand all that stuff, are passionate about it, and can communicate that and provide the adequate instruction for the students.
14:55And what we were finding out was a lot of the teachers, through no fault of their own, they're going, they're studying.
15:03They weren't offered these types of courses.
15:06And so we created a program where if you go through, it's a 50-hour course.
15:12You can watch it online.
15:15You get a $3,000 bonus.
15:17And it's not just civics teachers.
15:18I mean, history teachers can do it, English teachers, because we think the civics is the foundation of everything that flows in many respects in the U.S.
15:27So they're doing it.
15:29But they're actually, we've gotten great scholars, and they're teaching about, okay, how did, like, British common law affect how the founding fathers understood, you know, the Constitution?
15:40What about the Enlightenment?
15:42What about the Judeo-Christian tradition?
15:44All these things.
15:45And people, it's like a 92% of the folks that go through the course are appreciative and say it was good.
15:52So we want to focus on real, serious academic rigor.
15:58We want to focus on things that really matter, things that are enduring.
16:03We do not want to waste someone's education with four years of boxing with some ideological fad that just may happen to be the flavor of the day.
16:15That has no lasting value beyond the present circumstances.
16:21And I think we've done a good job of doing that, but I think we've got a lot more to do.
16:25So we want to do it.
16:26The other thing that we've done is, while we very much bring in, I think our universities have made a point to bring in folks with views that may not be very prevalent on university campuses throughout the United States of America.
16:42We've had some robust debates.
16:44I mean, we had, I participated in one of these at New College on the immigration enforcement.
16:50I mean, how many universities would ever want to host anything like that?
16:55It would just be, it would be a non-starter.
16:57So that's important, and we want to do that.
16:59But we also understand you have the right to your views, you have the right to express those views, you have a right to stand for those views, but you don't have a right to sabotage the academic process for others.
17:15If there's a debate on your campus and you want to get up and scream and yell at the speakers, that's not free speech.
17:24And we will hold you accountable.
17:26Whatever you're screaming or yelling, we're not going to necessarily, that's not why we're going to hold you accountable.
17:31We're going to hold you accountable for your conduct and for your behavior.
17:35And so we made it clear, especially after the Hamas demonstrations, you are not commandeering our university campuses for your agenda.
17:45And I know they tried to take over the lawn at Florida State, and the university turned the sprinklers on and got them off that lawn very quickly.
17:54They tried to do it others, it didn't work.
17:56There were folks who went beyond just expressing views, and some of these views are very, you know, in my judgment, abhorrent, but that wasn't what they were punished for.
18:06Punished for their behavior and their conduct, and people's degrees were withheld.
18:11You have to do that.
18:12If you don't hold people accountable for their behavior and their conduct, you will get more of that.
18:18So we've created an environment where people that are running universities have the backing to be able to uphold the appropriate standards of conduct.
18:29And, you know, you're at like some commencement speech, and I don't think it happens at FAU, or maybe it did.
18:35I don't remember hearing anything, but, you know, you have someone, this is a major event for families, for the students, for a lot of the faculty who helped with this.
18:45You have someone that comes in.
18:46A lot of times there's someone that's pretty prominent that can come in and maybe give a commencement address.
18:50And you have like 15 or 20 students just screaming and disrupting and everything like that.
18:56That is unacceptable.
18:58I know they tried to do that at New College a couple years ago, and the president withheld their diplomas until they apologized to the university community and apologized to the commencement speaker.
19:09And I don't know if they were willing to do that, but I think that's totally appropriate.
19:13So, you know, we have great protections.
19:17We adopted the Chicago model of free speech across our universities, my first year as governor.
19:23We do that.
19:24But what I've seen going on in these other universities around the country is I've seen universities countenance bad behavior.
19:32And that's different than having a view you may disagree with.
19:35That's you trying to upend the entire academic process for other students, faculty, parents that are there watching, people that are watching a debate unfold.
19:45So we're going to continue to hold people accountable.
19:48And I think what happens is if you let the inmates run the asylum, the inmates are going to run the asylum.
19:55They're not just going to sit on the sidelines and twitter the thumbs.
19:58But if you uphold standards of conduct, then a lot of times it's just not worth sacrificing a degree or having some type of punishment for this behavior.
20:09And I don't really know why universities have become places.
20:13I know this started probably in the 60s, but why universities have been the place where you have some of this.
20:20But I think all that's happened is a lot of the administrators and some of the faculty around the country.
20:26This is behavior that they want to see.
20:29I mean, I think that this is like those are the kind of their people.
20:32That's not what we're doing here in Florida.
20:33And I know people are appreciative of that.
20:37And I know a lot of our students and families were really appreciative of how our universities responded after the October 7th.
20:45The fact of the matter is, you know, you were safe in Florida as a student.
20:50As a Jewish student, but even as any student, you were safe.
20:54There was never any possibility that we were going to allow any of our universities devolve into like a Columbia University.
21:03It just wasn't going to happen.
21:04And people will point to Florida and they'll say, yeah, you know, Florida, you know, you're lucky you go to Florida because that didn't happen there.
21:12But it's not luck.
21:13It's just the fact that people know any president of a university that would allow their campus to devolve into a Columbia in the state of Florida would no longer be a president of a university in the state of Florida.
21:28I mean, we would have very swift accountability because our leaders need to lead and they need to do what's right.
21:34So there's a lot that's gone into higher education over the years.
21:40We're really leading the country.
21:42I mean, like we do in almost everything.
21:44But on this, we've really been, I think, ahead of the curve.
21:48We were engaging in this when nobody was talking about it.
21:51And a lot of people just thought it was a lost cause.
21:54Don't even worry.
21:55I remember people that were more conservative.
21:57I would just tell people never to go to college or whatever.
22:00And like, you know, my view, I'm not just going to give up on institutions.
22:03Like, I want these institutions to be sound.
22:06I want them to be productive, especially with our tax dollars.
22:09And so we knew one of the major pieces of legislation we did a few years ago was getting at this issue.
22:16And it's kind of in the weeds because, you know, it's just but there's a reason why some of the things we don't like about universities over the many decades have happened.
22:24And it goes back to this accreditation cartel that's developed.
22:29So you need to get accredited if you want to be able to have, like, your students, for example, if you're not accredited, they're not eligible for federal student aid.
22:38Now, we know our students don't need that as much because it's a lot cheaper here than if you're going to some of these schools.
22:43And, look, you know, if you're paying, like, $80,000 in tuition to go to MIT and you take out loans, you'll probably be fine doing that.
22:51But what gets me is they'll be, like, these fourth-tier private universities.
22:55They expect you to take out hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans, and then you get a degree that's not worth the paper it's printed on.
23:05I mean, that is a huge problem.
23:07So you have this accreditation where you've got to go through it.
23:09And it's not just undergraduates.
23:11It's also law schools, medical schools, and all these things.
23:16And who are these accreditors?
23:19Did you elect any of these accreditors to anything?
23:22No.
23:23It's kind of just a self-selected, these juntas kind of have developed where the Department of Education in the past has approved them to be accreditors.
23:33And so they basically don't have accountability.
23:36And so we've seen that certainly with the American Bar Association, the medical accreditation.
23:45And then we have this SACS in the southeast, which is done.
23:50And what do they do?
23:52Part of the reason the University of Dublin did it is because the accreditors are telling them they have to do these things.
23:57So when we said no DEI, the accreditor was telling our universities, oh, no, no, you're not going to get accredited unless you do DEI.
24:07Who the heck are they to say what our universities have to do?
24:10They're telling them they can't follow state law?
24:13Are you kidding me?
24:15And nobody elected them to make that judgment at all.
24:18So what we've seen develop is an accreditation cartel.
24:22And the accreditors, by and large, are all singing from the same sheet of music.
24:27And it's not what the state of Florida wants to see reflected in its universities in many different respects.
24:34So we did a bill.
24:36We said to the state university system and our board of governors and we have our chancellor here, we need alternative accreditation.
24:45We can't keep doing this.
24:47First of all, we're not going to do it.
24:50We eliminated DEI and we said very clearly, if you're going to pull our accreditation, go ahead and make my day.
24:57We will fight you on that.
24:58That's fine.
24:59But we are in a situation where it takes some time to do this, to have a new accrediting body.
25:05And it also requires the approval of the U.S. Department of Education.
25:11Now, when under the Biden administration, do you think that the state of Florida would have had a very good chance to get the auto pen on our accreditation overhaul?
25:24Probably not.
25:25And so that was not something that obviously they saw eye to eye on us with.
25:29Fortunately, under the Trump administration and under Secretary Linda McMahon, they believe in overhauling this accreditation process.
25:40They want to have new blood in the system.
25:42They want to be able to have competing accreditors.
25:46And I can tell you, what we're announcing today, I bet you every state in the southeast is going to rush to want to be accredited by what we're going to be talking about today.
25:56But this has had a really negative impact on higher education, the way this has developed.
26:04And our reforms here are vitally needed to be able to make sure that our institutions are operating based on sound principle.
26:12And if you think about what's happened, and this is not unique to higher ed.
26:16I mean, this is kind of the story of the woke era.
26:20I think that we're over the hump on that.
26:23In Florida, we've been over the hump for a while because we killed it here.
26:26But overall, throughout the country, I do think we're over the hill here, although I guess New York City mayor race may say something different.
26:34We'll see what happens there.
26:35But what's happened during that era, we saw it during COVID, too, institutions really became corrupted by ideology.
26:46And they were putting ideology ahead of the pursuit of truth.
26:49During COVID, so many of these medical associations put ideology over evidence-based medicine.
26:55And even today, you have people like the American Society of Pediatrics opposing the Supreme Court's ruling that said states can say you can't perform sex changes on 13-year-old kids.
27:09Like, no, we're not going to do that.
27:10And they're saying they don't have evidence that this is good, but it's part of their ideological posture.
27:16It's part of their belief system.
27:18So they're doing.
27:19So you've seen that in medical.
27:21You've seen that in law with the American Bar Association.
27:24The American Bar Association has now become a far-left activist group.
27:29And you know what?
27:30You have every right to be a far-left activist group.
27:33But our law schools should not be captive to having to bend the knee to get accreditation from you.
27:40That should not be the way it works.
27:42And so we're really looking for a new day here.
27:45All of those groups, all of those accreditors, certainly on the DEI, they've been all in on.
27:50Our belief and actions to streamline and focus the course offerings on core subjects that really matter, the accreditors fight us on that.
28:03You know, they think that you need to have all these kinds of esoteric studies that are just not part of what a classical education is all about.
28:11So there's one thing after another that we have to do and we have to fight against.
28:17And so now we have a possibility of having a new day.
28:20So today, the legislation that we did a couple years ago was important.
28:25We have worked on kind of plowing the ground to be able to get into position to move forward in a way that we could have success.
28:32And I know that, you know, these guys have been working with the U.S. Department of Education under President Trump now for many months.
28:41And so I'm proud today to be able to announce that we are, in fact, establishing a new accreditor for higher education.
28:50And we're calling it the Commission for Public Higher Education.
28:54So this endeavor will introduce a new accreditor into the marketplace.
28:58It will upend the monopoly of the woke accreditation cartels, and it will provide institutions with an alternative that focuses on student achievement rather than the ideological fads that have so permeated those accrediting bodies over the year.
29:15Now, this commission is a consortium of higher education systems from several states offering a new accreditation model.
29:23And, again, we care about student achievement.
29:26We care about measurable outcomes.
29:28We care about efficiency.
29:30We care about pursuing truth.
29:32We care about preparing our students to be citizens of our republic.
29:37All those things have played second fiddle, if they were even given any credence at all, under these more prevailing accreditation model.
29:46So we will establish rigorous, transparent, and adoptable outcomes-based accreditation standards and practices.
29:54This will ensure that colleges and universities meet and maintain academic quality and operational excellence on behalf of their students.
30:04This will also ensure that reforms enacted under our tenure as my tenure as governor by the state university system continue to have an impact for many years to come.
30:14So the way this works is we're establishing it.
30:18You kind of got to go and actually do it for, you know, some period of time.
30:25I think USDOE wants to be quick on this.
30:29And so eventually it will be they will approve this accreditor as a valid accreditor.
30:36So if you go, your institution gets accredited by this new accreditation consortium that satisfies federal requirements, federal law for the United States Department of Education.
30:48And that's a big, big deal.
30:49And it's important that it get done.
30:52And one of the reasons why right out of the gate we've been kind of working with the Trump administration on this is we need this and other competing accreditors.
31:01We need these things approved and implemented during President Trump's term of office.
31:06The reality is if it doesn't get if it doesn't get approved and stick during that time, you can have a president come in next and potentially revoke it.
31:16And they could probably do that very quickly.
31:18If we get this done, we do the trial run that we do have to do, we get approval, it starts to stick.
31:27All the states, I think a lot, almost all the states in our region are going to be favorable to this.
31:32Then you could develop a track record.
31:34Then it's almost impossible for a future federal administration to try to upend the apple cart.
31:40So this has been a long time coming.
31:42Obviously, we didn't really have the prospects of launching anything like this successfully during the Biden years.
31:51But it's a new day.
31:53And I think this is going to make a big, big difference.
31:55And, you know, the thing about it is people ask me, well, what's wrong with the universities?
31:58Why does Harvard do this?
32:00Why did Columbia all this stuff?
32:01And this stuff didn't just happen by accident.
32:04There's incentives that have been built in for many years that have shaped the type of outcomes that we're seeing and the behavior that we've witnessed.
32:12And the accreditation cartel has been a big part of that.
32:16And it's not something that gets a lot of headlines.
32:19It's not something that a lot of people follow.
32:21But I just think it's wrong to have a bunch of folks that nobody put there.
32:29They just, I don't even know how they get in these spots.
32:31But they exert all this power over our educational institutions.
32:36And so that stops today.
32:39Florida and our neighboring states, our sister states who are joining us in this effort, we're going to have the last say on that.
32:46So thanks, everybody, for this.
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