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The 'To The Point' discussion focuses on Donald Trump's claim of a ceasefire between Iran and Israel. Experts debate the effectiveness of Trump's leadership, the impact on regional dynamics, and the credibility of his statements. The panel explores the underlying tensions between Iran and Israel, the status of Iran's nuclear facilities, and the broader implications for US foreign policy in the Middle East.
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00:00Good evening and welcome to The Point. I'm Pooja Shali.
00:03This evening I'm going to tell you about how this day is all about Donald Trump.
00:07First a ceasefire claim, then a threat to Israel and Iran not to bomb each other.
00:13And then ending what he had to say with, what the F?
00:18We'll try and analyse that. First, the headlines.
00:20Explosions heard in Tehran in the latest, minutes after U.S. President's ceasefire warning.
00:31Donald Trump accusing Iran and Israel of truce violations slams Israel for unloading right after the truce announcement.
00:39They basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the F they're doing. Do you understand that?
00:50Pentagon releases first official footage of B-2 stealth bombers before and after executing Operation Midnight Hammer.
00:58The same bomber struck Iran's nuke sites.
01:06Meanwhile, mission evacuation continues. Three batches of Indians evacuated now.
01:11600 Indians in the latest brought back in the Indian Air Force C-17 Globemaster from Israel also.
01:17Iran made special permit for India's evacuation in the airspace.
01:21Nearly 300 evacuated. Over 2,000 endured.
01:30In other news, election panel rejects Rahul Gandhi's election fraud claim.
01:35EC says all elections is free and fair.
01:38Election Commission asks Rahul Gandhi for an in-person meeting.
01:41Dravidah Munetra Khadagam slams AIDMK after a video on a Hindu group meeting insults Dravidian icons.
01:54AIDMK condemns the insult as they are calling it to Periyar Anna at the Murugan conference.
02:00Shocking international visuals coming in.
02:08145 people prigged with syringes at France Street Music Festival.
02:13Several attendees hospitalized.
02:1512 taken in custody by the police.
02:17After the 12-day war in West Asia.
02:40Donald Trump claims ceasefire for Iran and Israel.
02:46I don't like the fact that Israel went out this morning at all.
02:51And I'm going to see if I can stop it.
02:52So as soon as I get away from you, I'm going to see if I can stop it.
02:56Okay?
02:58Tehran fires at US bases.
03:01Targets Tel Aviv.
03:02So here's what has happened in the past 24 hours.
03:24A ceasefire was declared and by Donald Trump.
03:27But the missile strike didn't stop.
03:28Hours after President Trump's announcement, missiles were fired.
03:32Thickenhau, buildings crumbling, both Iran and Israel accusing each other of betrayal and casualties.
03:38Here's how, so to say, a truce unraveled between Israel and Iran.
04:02A raging war for 12 long days.
04:09West Asia witnessing its biggest conflict in decades.
04:13And a sudden ceasefire on Tuesday.
04:15Then massive violations by both Israel and Iran.
04:19Early on Tuesday, US President Donald Trump called up Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and Iranian leadership
04:30and dramatically declared Israel-Iran ceasefire.
04:35But the skies over West Asia lit up once again hours into the truce.
04:40Images from Israel showed barrages of attacks from Iran and Israeli counter-strikes.
04:50Trump had claimed that the truce would begin in phases.
04:54First, the Iran halting operations, followed by an Israeli pause 12 hours later.
04:59I think the president really hit the reset button and said,
05:06look, let's actually produce long-term peace for the region.
05:10That's always been his goal.
05:11I actually think when we look back, we will say the 12-day war was an important reset moment for the entire region.
05:17But within hours, Iran launched a fresh wave of missiles at Israeli cities,
05:24including Beersheba, where a residential building was hit.
05:32Israel reported multiple deaths in Iranian attacks.
05:36Inputs of heavy damages in Beersheba and multiple different locations
05:44after Iran had launched this attack on Israel in the morning at 5 a.m.
05:50There were alerts that were sounded by the Homefront Command,
05:54after which people had to take shelters for a very long period of time.
05:57For around two hours, they had to be in shelters.
05:59And now, also, the crowd or people on the streets is very limited.
06:06So, the Homefront Command has continued to tell people that they need to be very cautious.
06:11Do not move until it is essential for them to move.
06:15So, this is how the situation looks like in Israel right now.
06:20In retaliation, Israeli jets struck missile launch sites in western Iran,
06:26targeting what they claimed were imminent threats.
06:29Israel's defence minister accused Iran of violating the agreement
06:36and ordered intense strikes deep into the heart of Tehran.
06:42Iran's foreign minister stood defiant,
06:45claiming his country was responding to Israeli aggression
06:48and vowed that Iranian troops will keep fighting till the last minute.
06:53Iran's Supreme Council declared victory after declaring cease-fire,
07:01claiming that the Zionist enemy was forced into peace by Iranian power.
07:07Meanwhile, Russia has cast doubt on Trump-brokered truce,
07:11calling it premature to draw any conclusions.
07:14Cease fire or smoke screen?
07:18This war may have paused, but peace nowhere in sight.
07:23With Shivani Sharma, Bureau Report, India Today.
07:26All right, let's begin a discussion on this,
07:32and specifically because it's an incredible panel this evening on To The Point.
07:36Sushant Sarin is joining me as a strategic affairs expert.
07:39Ambassador Deepak Vohra as well, former Indian diplomat.
07:42He's served in some of the regions we are talking about,
07:45some of these countries where cease-fire claim has come forth.
07:48William Wexler also joining me,
07:50Senior Director, Middle East Programs, Atlantic Council.
07:53William, let's begin with you.
07:55Is this a decisive leadership by Donald Trump?
07:57Can this cease-fire be claimed as a success
07:59compared to the earlier claims that have come in?
08:02Or should we say these were empty words
08:04because the missiles are still being fired?
08:07No, it's clearly decisive leadership from President Trump,
08:11both in terms of the striking of Fordow and other nuclear sites
08:15and the declaration of a cease-fire.
08:18But that's not the end.
08:19That's not the definition of success.
08:22Success will come if this cease-fire leads to direct negotiations
08:26between the United States and Iran,
08:28direct negotiations which conclude with Iran giving up
08:33on any enrichment of nuclear weapons in its country.
08:38All right, so at least that means there are days to come.
08:41Do you see this as a 12-day war ending,
08:43or do you think it will continue for the days to come?
08:45The real answer is we don't know,
08:48but there's a possibility that the cease-fire will hold.
08:51I can only assume, and this is an assumption,
08:54that the reason why Donald Trump called for a cease-fire
08:56is because he already got agreement from Iran
09:00to have those kinds of direct negotiations.
09:03Usually that's a very typical approach for Iran
09:06and all of Iranian proxies to do in the middle of a war
09:08where they demand a cease-fire before negotiations begin.
09:12Usually it's not accepted.
09:14I suspect, don't know, but I suspect that in this case
09:17Donald Trump did accept it.
09:20Sushant, I come to you.
09:21At least from what I can see,
09:23six claims of truce between nations,
09:25Africa to Asia,
09:27but wars in most of these regions continue.
09:29My question is, is anyone really even listening to him?
09:32Because when he says eventually,
09:34just a short while back,
09:36what the F?
09:36I wonder if he knows what he's doing either.
09:42You know, I thought that Trump 2.0
09:47would be a little less chaotic and erratic
09:50than Trump 1.0,
09:51but it seems he's gone to the next level now.
09:55Which means what?
09:55And you seem to think that the entire world
09:58is or contending parties
10:02or contending countries
10:04are basically two real estate brokers
10:08who are fighting with each other
10:09about a particular deal
10:10and that he can come and knock their heads together.
10:14You know, this is now not how this works.
10:16Take the India-Pakistan thing, for example.
10:19For 40 years, terrorism has been imposed on us.
10:22What the hell has Trump done about it?
10:24Right?
10:24He goes and sups with the killer of the man
10:27who was responsible initially for Pulwama
10:29as the ISI chief
10:30and the man who was supposed to have given orders
10:33for what happened in Pahlkam
10:34where 26 innocent Hindus were killed.
10:37He has a lunch with him
10:39and he has no compunctions.
10:41And he then expects that, you know,
10:43we will lie flat and prostrate before him
10:45because he's some kind of a king or emperor.
10:48That's not how the way the real world works.
10:51And that's not how he is going to be able to address
10:54the concerns of either Israel
10:56or for that matter of Iran.
10:58Right?
10:59The second thing,
11:01and this is even more critical
11:02apart from his personality quirks.
11:05The question is,
11:07Puja,
11:08has America ensured
11:11that the Iranian nuclear facilities
11:13that were being targeted
11:14have actually been taken down?
11:17We are not sure about that.
11:19Right?
11:19What if they have not been taken down?
11:22What if,
11:23you know,
11:24this ceasefire
11:25or whatever you want to call it
11:26is a work left half done
11:29and largely the Iranian capabilities
11:32remain intact?
11:33What is he going to do about that then?
11:36What if whatever negotiations go on,
11:39you have thrown whatever you could
11:41at the Iranians?
11:42You have not been able to make them
11:44budge any...
11:45No regime change.
11:46No, you know,
11:48you can't affect a regime change out there
11:50and you've not been able to budge them
11:51really
11:52despite imposing
11:54all kinds of sanctions on them.
11:55And now,
11:56because you want to impose
11:57more sanctions on them,
11:59you are trying to rope in
12:00countries like India,
12:01which is supposedly
12:02a very friendly country
12:03and one of the few countries
12:04in the world
12:05where, you know,
12:06there is a very positive image
12:08of the United States.
12:09Most of these MAGA characters
12:11are trying to alienate us also.
12:13Fine,
12:13we'll survive.
12:14We, you know,
12:15it'll cause some losses for us,
12:17but we'll manage.
12:18The world can live without
12:19the United States.
12:20Can the United States
12:21live without the world?
12:23You know,
12:23so the kind of craziness
12:24that we are seeing now
12:25in the US
12:26is really reaching next level.
12:29And frankly,
12:30the question is that
12:31when Trump
12:32very boldly said
12:34total surrender,
12:35has he got total surrender?
12:37Has he got total surrender?
12:39I don't think so.
12:40And if he hasn't got
12:42total surrender,
12:43then is this back to tackle?
12:45Trump again chickens out,
12:46always chickens out.
12:48So,
12:48it's a bizarre world
12:51we are living in now
12:52where we thought
12:53that the most powerful country
12:54in the world
12:55had some gravitas in it,
12:57had some,
12:58something that people
13:00could rely on,
13:01something that people,
13:02you know,
13:02you took the words
13:03of an American president
13:05very seriously.
13:06Correct.
13:06I'm not sure
13:07if we can anymore.
13:08That's a strong statement
13:11and that's perhaps
13:11what a lot of people
13:13have been discussing about.
13:14Ambassador Vohra,
13:16tongue-in-cheek if I may ask,
13:18is this Donald Trump's world
13:20and we are just living in it?
13:21At least that's how
13:22he makes it appear.
13:26Thank you very much.
13:27First of all,
13:27appreciation for permitting me
13:29to be on your amazing channel.
13:30I learned so much
13:31from you in particular.
13:32And then a complaint.
13:33You have Mr. Veshul
13:34and you have Sushant Sareen
13:36whose knowledge
13:36is much greater than mine.
13:38I feel most inadequate
13:39in the presence
13:40of these two strong words.
13:42Now,
13:42why,
13:43why did Israel
13:45hit Iran?
13:46Israel eliminated
13:47its proxies.
13:48We all know that.
13:49It eliminated Hamas.
13:50It emasculated
13:52Hezbollah
13:53and it told the Houthis,
13:54shut up,
13:54otherwise we're going
13:55to deal with you.
13:56Why then did it hit Iran?
13:58I've been looking for an,
14:00I've lived in that region
14:01for 20 years.
14:01I've visited all the countries.
14:02They are saying
14:04that we want
14:05to ensure our survival.
14:07We don't accept a nation
14:08whose leaders
14:09have consistently said
14:10that Jews have no right
14:11to exist.
14:12Israel should be wiped
14:13off the map of the earth.
14:14So we are hitting
14:15the head of the octopus.
14:16That was Israel's thing.
14:17And when the ceasefire came,
14:19Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu,
14:20by the way,
14:20whom I respect greatly,
14:22said that we have achieved,
14:23majorly achieved
14:24our objectives,
14:25almost all of them.
14:26And so now it was time
14:27to accept a ceasefire.
14:29For the United States,
14:30ma'am,
14:31again,
14:32they don't like Iran.
14:33You know this better
14:33than I do.
14:35There's a feeling
14:35that it's a radical
14:36Islamist country
14:37and that if they ever
14:39make a bomb,
14:39they might sell it
14:40to the highest bidder
14:41amongst what is referred
14:43to as non-state actors.
14:45I don't know what that means.
14:46But they might sell it
14:47and America might have
14:48to go through another
14:49very difficult moment.
14:50The scars of 9-11
14:52haven't healed it yet.
14:53Why did Iran accept it?
14:55My own feeling, ma'am,
14:57and give me a moment,
14:58is that Iran has been
14:59so badly clobbered
15:01that Ayatollah
15:02who heads the regime,
15:03we don't even know
15:04where he is.
15:05He wasn't seen
15:05on Friday press.
15:07My own group of people
15:08who are very brilliant
15:09and much more intelligent
15:10than I am,
15:11we have an informal group.
15:12They say he's hiding
15:12in Moscow
15:13where he's having tea
15:14with his buddy,
15:15the Syrian fellow,
15:16Bashar al-Assad,
15:17or whatever it was.
15:18Now,
15:19as far as
15:20why did then Iran
15:22accept the ceasefire?
15:23This, I think,
15:23was a face-saving device.
15:25Look,
15:26Israel came
15:27and begged for mercy.
15:28So we said,
15:29all right,
15:29we will forgive you.
15:30See what a wonderful
15:31people we are.
15:32He's got nothing left.
15:33His leaders have been
15:34eliminated by the Israelis.
15:36His strength has gone.
15:38His nuclear facilities,
15:39whether Mr. Serena
15:40accepts it or not,
15:41have been bombed.
15:43This is what
15:43Bibi Netanyahu said,
15:45that we have achieved
15:45the idea
15:46that our objective
15:47of eliminating
15:48its nuclear
15:49and missile facilities.
15:51I have no reason
15:51to doubt it.
15:52If it wasn't there,
15:53he would have
15:54continued to fight.
15:55But for Iran,
15:56it was meant to be
15:57a victory celebration.
15:59I just heard
15:59others I've seen
16:01think,
16:01oh,
16:02we've defeated
16:02the greatest country
16:03in the world.
16:04Oh, wow.
16:04Mr. Vessel,
16:05if you live in the United States,
16:06did you know that Iran
16:07just invaded your country?
16:09Because they've defeated
16:09the greatest country
16:10in the world.
16:11Happy birthday.
16:12I don't know
16:12what kind of stuff
16:13these guys have
16:14for this hallucination.
16:16But nevertheless,
16:17my own feeling,
16:18ma'am,
16:18this ceasefire
16:19is not going to last.
16:20It was never meant to last.
16:22President Trump,
16:23whom I respect greatly
16:24as the president
16:25of the most powerful country
16:26in the world,
16:27I might have a different
16:27opinion about him
16:28as a person.
16:29But nevertheless,
16:30I've met him a few times.
16:31I think he's a great guy.
16:32And so,
16:33what he has gone,
16:34and when he said
16:35on his way to Brussels,
16:36that terrible fellows,
16:37these Israelis,
16:37can America survive,
16:40continue to control
16:41the Middle East,
16:42bottom line,
16:43without Israel,
16:44Israel is the chokidar.
16:46Otherwise,
16:47all these
16:48Shunni Islamic
16:49radical fellows around
16:50are going to create
16:51total chaos
16:52in the Middle East.
16:53Israel is a force
16:54for stability.
16:54And ma'am,
16:55by way of disclaimer,
16:56may I say something also,
16:58Mr. Serene,
16:59if you understand
17:00why I speak
17:01on behalf of Israel,
17:02in my extended family
17:04in the U.S.,
17:04I do have a Jewish
17:05daughter-in-law.
17:06She calls me dad.
17:07So, you can understand
17:08that my heart
17:09goes up to these kids
17:11from there.
17:12And they have a right
17:12to survive.
17:14So do the Iranians.
17:15But basically,
17:16there is a total
17:17lack of trust
17:18until that lack
17:20of trust...
17:21Lack of trust in who,
17:22Ambassador Voda?
17:23The Israelis to the Iranians,
17:25the Iranians to the Israelis,
17:26and to some extent,
17:28the Israelis in
17:29the United States,
17:30of course,
17:31very little,
17:31but the Iranians
17:32totally in the United States.
17:33William,
17:34do you feel at this?
17:35Yes, yes.
17:36Go ahead, sir.
17:36Finish your voice.
17:37I was going to complete
17:38by saying my own feeling.
17:40The people of Iran,
17:41whether you like it or not,
17:43are living in a house
17:44where they are uncomfortable.
17:45It's ruled by
17:46unelected institution.
17:47There is a racket
17:48called the Islamic
17:49Revolutionary Guard Corps.
17:50If you're not wearing
17:51the right clothes
17:52or your hair isn't styled properly,
17:54you can be picked up
17:54and put in jail.
17:55No, I don't think, ma'am,
17:57a young lady like you,
17:58a very elegant lady,
18:00would want to live
18:00in a country like that.
18:02Absolutely.
18:02I do agree to that.
18:03So, there are issues
18:04clearly with the regime.
18:05Let me say, ma'am,
18:06that the people of Iran
18:08are living in a haunted house,
18:09but what is the alternative?
18:12If we overthrow the regime,
18:14we get out of the house.
18:15The West has made
18:16so many promises
18:16about liberation.
18:18Happy birthday, Iraq.
18:19Happy birthday, Libya.
18:20Happy birthday, Syria.
18:21About liberation,
18:22Ambassador Vora,
18:23and also the Nobel Peace Prize.
18:25William,
18:25let's address the elephant
18:26in the room regularly.
18:27And we have put out
18:28that statement of Donald Trump
18:29that it is very clear now
18:32that the incumbent president
18:34believes that he's not
18:35being given enough credit,
18:37that he won't be getting
18:38a Nobel Peace Prize
18:39despite all his initiatives.
18:41Do you believe
18:42his initiatives are working?
18:44Because from where,
18:45from where I look at it,
18:46possibly, if at all,
18:48we can say with North Korea,
18:49the tensions may have eased,
18:51but otherwise,
18:52whether it's Congo, Rwanda,
18:53Abraham Accord,
18:54Russia, Ukraine,
18:56the war is still on.
18:57You know, I grew up
18:59north of New York City
19:00and have been watching
19:01Donald Trump involuntarily
19:02since the early 80s,
19:04and he has never felt
19:05that he has received
19:07the credit that he's deserved
19:08on any topic whatsoever.
19:11So this is just in calling
19:14with his longstanding personality.
19:16He's also very frustrated
19:18that President Obama
19:19received the Nobel Peace Prize
19:20right at the beginning
19:21of his career.
19:23And so these types of disparities
19:25in his mind, not him.
19:27His policies towards Iran
19:29have been confusing
19:30to the outside world
19:32because, frankly,
19:33they've been confused
19:34inside the administration
19:35and inside of the mind
19:36of Donald Trump.
19:38He went from,
19:39he got out of the JCPOA,
19:40went to maximum pressure,
19:42then came into this administration
19:43his second term,
19:44firing all the people
19:46that were interested
19:46in maximum pressure,
19:48trying to beg to go
19:49into something
19:50like the JCPOA again.
19:52Then Iran said no,
19:56didn't want Israel to attack.
19:58Israel did attack.
19:59Then he liked Israel's attack.
20:00Then he wasn't going to attack.
20:01Then he did attack.
20:02So there's been,
20:03there's been a lack
20:04of strategic consistency
20:05from Donald Trump.
20:06There's no,
20:07there's no question about it.
20:08The question before us
20:09right now,
20:10where we are,
20:11is given the strategic advantages
20:16that, to be fair,
20:19Donald Trump has contributed to.
20:21And Israel has contributed to
20:23vis-a-vis Israel.
20:24Can they turn that
20:25into a diplomatic initiative
20:26that can achieve
20:27a real objective,
20:29which is that,
20:30is that Iran is not in a position
20:32to pose an existential threat
20:33to the region.
20:34What do you think
20:35is the biggest objective?
20:36You think that Iran
20:37has been slightly being,
20:40has been put,
20:41has been pushed back
20:42to a certain extent.
20:43Do you think that
20:43is an achievement
20:44that Trump administration
20:45has achieved?
20:46It's a,
20:47it's absolutely an achievement
20:48that the Trump administration
20:49has achieved.
20:50Trump,
20:50it's,
20:51it's first and foremost
20:52an achievement
20:53that Israel has achieved
20:54through its decimation
20:56of its proxies,
20:58through setting the conditions
21:00for regime change
21:01to happen in Syria,
21:02losing perhaps
21:04Iran's most important proxy.
21:06And it's,
21:06it's response
21:08to not one,
21:09but two direct
21:10Iranian attacks
21:12on Israel
21:13by taking out
21:14first its air defenses
21:15and then beginning
21:16to take out
21:16its nuclear program,
21:17followed by Donald Trump,
21:19hopefully completing
21:21the job in Fordow.
21:22The,
21:23the,
21:23the regime in Tehran
21:25is guilty
21:26of strategic malpractice
21:28and has led itself
21:30and its people
21:31into a series
21:32where Iran's power
21:33is severely diminished.
21:36That's the reality
21:37and that's why
21:38they're coming,
21:38they're hopefully
21:39going to come
21:39to the negotiating table.
21:41Sushant,
21:43I want to take
21:43the Nobel Peace Prize
21:44question to you
21:45because as I checked,
21:46out of the six
21:46US presidents
21:47and vice presidents,
21:49five of them
21:50are Democrats,
21:52so to say,
21:52liberals,
21:53as he,
21:53he likes to target
21:54them with.
21:55I think he does
21:55have a point
21:56that Barack Obama
21:57wanted to strengthen
21:58international diplomacy,
21:59cooperation among people.
22:01Do you think
22:01this is Donald Trump's
22:02desperation
22:03to want a peace prize?
22:05Do you think
22:05this is the USA's
22:06desperation to come across
22:07as a big brother
22:08in conflicts?
22:09Or do you think
22:10he has a fair point
22:11to say,
22:11if I'm trying so much,
22:12why don't I deserve
22:13the credit for it?
22:16You know,
22:17Pooja,
22:17I am shocked
22:19that somebody
22:20who has been elected
22:23as the president
22:24of the United States
22:25and somebody
22:27who occupies
22:28perhaps the most coveted
22:30and the most powerful
22:31of the world
22:32is so petty
22:34and so shallow
22:35that he hankers
22:37for something like
22:38a damn Nobel Prize,
22:39which even a Malala
22:40Yusuf Zai gets.
22:42You know,
22:43don't people know
22:44what are the kind of people
22:45who get Nobel Peace Prizes?
22:46Do they actually
22:47bring about change
22:48in the world?
22:49Did Obama deserve
22:50the Nobel Peace Prize?
22:51What peace
22:52did he bring about?
22:54You know,
22:54so it's the most
22:55useless damn thing
22:56in the world.
22:57I can understand
22:58a Nobel Prize
22:59for physics.
23:00I can understand
23:01it for economics.
23:02I can understand
23:03it for chemistry,
23:04literature.
23:05But this Peace Prize
23:07is the most
23:08third-rate damn prize,
23:10yaar.
23:10He doesn't need the money.
23:12If he wants the medallion,
23:13just give it to him
23:14for God's sake.
23:15You know,
23:15at least,
23:16you know,
23:16this whole drama will end
23:17because it's the most
23:18worthless prize
23:20in the world.
23:21It's mostly given
23:22on political grounds
23:23because you want
23:24to make some,
23:25you know,
23:25statement somewhere.
23:27But why would
23:28any person,
23:29why would say
23:30somebody like
23:31a Mr. Modi
23:31in India
23:32who is such
23:33a popular leader,
23:34who has won
23:34three elections
23:35on the trot,
23:36has been in power
23:38in one way or another
23:39for the last 25 years,
23:41why would somebody
23:42like him
23:42hanker for something
23:43as third-rate
23:44as a Nobel Peace Prize?
23:46For what?
23:47What does it
23:47bestow on you?
23:48Who remembers?
23:49How many Nobel Peace Prize
23:50winners do you remember?
23:51Please tell me.
23:52Right?
23:53Many of which
23:54you will remember
23:54is out of contempt,
23:55not out of any admiration.
23:57So,
23:58my point is
23:59this is the most
23:59useless prize.
24:00First.
24:00But is that
24:01leading to a
24:02dangerous game here?
24:03No,
24:04but I think
24:05what is more
24:05concerning
24:06as far as
24:07I am concerned,
24:07let me just
24:08clarify to what
24:08Ambassador
24:09Vora was saying.
24:11I have absolutely
24:12nothing against
24:13Israel.
24:13In fact,
24:14I deeply admire
24:15that country.
24:16I find the people
24:18to be really nice
24:20people,
24:20always very welcoming,
24:22very helpful
24:23and very great
24:24friends of India.
24:25At the same time,
24:26I have no
24:28truck
24:28and I have no
24:29brief
24:29for the
24:31despicable
24:31regime in
24:32Iran.
24:33But I think
24:34the Iranians
24:34are an extremely
24:35proud people
24:36and are very,
24:37very nice people.
24:38And it's a shame
24:39to see
24:40what is happening
24:41to them.
24:42So,
24:42I have
24:44deep admiration
24:45for both.
24:46But my problem
24:47right now
24:47on a strategic
24:48plane is,
24:49look,
24:50one,
24:51even if you're
24:52trying to bring
24:53about some kind
24:53of a rapprochement
24:54in the area,
24:55the last thing
24:57the broker
24:57should do,
24:58the middleman
24:59should do,
25:00which is what
25:00Trump is,
25:01is to actually
25:03take credit
25:03for what's
25:04happening.
25:05Credit should
25:05always be given
25:06to the two
25:07protagonists,
25:08trying to bring
25:09them together.
25:10Here he is
25:10saying that
25:11the Iranians
25:11wanted,
25:13the Iranians
25:14are saying
25:15that the Israelis
25:16wanted a ceasefire.
25:17The Israelis are
25:18saying the Iranians
25:19wanted a ceasefire.
25:20Donald Trump
25:20is saying
25:21his own story.
25:23Do you know,
25:23it should be...
25:24Sushant, that's
25:24the question I want
25:25to ask that to
25:25Ambassador Vora.
25:26Final question,
25:27Ambassador Vora.
25:27Yes.
25:28Yes, that at this
25:29juncture,
25:30that Donald Trump
25:30in fact should be
25:31more humble and
25:32say that the
25:32regions have been
25:33able to resolve it.
25:34Even with India,
25:35Pakistan, we've
25:36seen how it was
25:37about him,
25:37him taking credit
25:38while the situation
25:39hasn't been resolving
25:40in the past few
25:41months and weeks
25:42itself.
25:43Do you think at
25:43this juncture,
25:44it could be a
25:44dangerous game of
25:45ego rather than
25:47actually bringing in
25:48peace in the world
25:49and could actually
25:50make Israel
25:51more defiant
25:51against Israel
25:52and the USA,
25:53Middle East could
25:53actually face
25:54more tensions?
25:56He has been
25:56accused of having
25:57a narcissistic
25:58personality,
25:59whatever that means.
26:00My wife accuses
26:00me of having that.
26:02So I'm not going
26:02to comment on
26:03the kind of
26:04personality that he
26:05had.
26:05But let me just
26:06put it to you
26:06very bluntly,
26:07ma'am.
26:08Experts,
26:09international experts
26:10say that we
26:11should replace
26:11this kinetic
26:13military action
26:13with dialogue
26:14and diplomacy.
26:15What dialogue?
26:16Sit on a table,
26:17put Benjamin
26:18Netanyahu
26:19and that Iranian
26:20fellow in a room
26:20and Mr.
26:21Sereen can sit
26:22as a mediator.
26:23And what are
26:23they going to
26:24talk about?
26:25Israel says,
26:25I have the
26:26right to exist.
26:27Iran says,
26:27you don't have
26:28the right to
26:28exist.
26:29Where is the
26:29mediation?
26:32And also,
26:34again,
26:34at this juncture,
26:35the mediation that
26:35we are talking to,
26:36you've also served
26:37in some of those
26:37countries.
26:38Do they really
26:39listen to what
26:39the USA has to
26:40say or are they
26:41looking in 2025
26:42at their own
26:44domestic interests?
26:45Thank you so much
26:46gentlemen for your
26:46perspectives and
26:49expertise as well.
26:50It's a developing
26:51story.
26:51We'll be tracking
26:52what happens in
26:53the hours to come
26:54between Iran,
26:55Israel and if the
26:56USA gets more
26:57involved.
26:57Thank you so much
26:57for watching.
26:58So was the
26:59ceasefire claim
26:59by Donald Trump
27:00leading to fruition
27:02on the ground?
27:03There were missiles
27:03fired between Israel
27:05and Iran even
27:06after the ceasefire
27:07and the truce
27:07came by the US
27:08president.
27:09Just a short
27:09while ago,
27:10I spoke to
27:11military expert
27:12from Austria,
27:12Tom Cooper.
27:13He's explaining
27:14to us not only
27:15about the missiles
27:16but what Donald
27:18Trump has been
27:18up to.
27:19Listen in.
27:25Do you believe
27:26Trump has been
27:27able to get
27:28the ceasefire
27:29done?
27:29Is the ceasefire
27:30on?
27:31Will Iran and
27:32Israel abide
27:33by it?
27:35Hello.
27:36Nice to be with
27:37you.
27:37Thank you very
27:37much for
27:38the invitation.
27:40Regarding,
27:42excuse me for
27:43this question,
27:43this is really
27:44hard to use
27:47the word
27:48ceasefire
27:48because there
27:50is no
27:50ceasefire.
27:52I mean,
27:52I have a
27:53neighbour who
27:54has a six
27:54years old
27:55daughter and
27:55if she announces
27:56a ceasefire,
27:57it would be
27:57as hot as
27:58what Trump
27:59has announced
27:59the last night.
28:02Trump is
28:03boasting
28:05on the
28:06social media,
28:07that's all.
28:07Netanyahu,
28:08the same.
28:10The Iranian
28:10foreign minister
28:11is attempting
28:12to explain
28:12what is going
28:13on and their
28:14conditions.
28:14They are
28:14ignoring him
28:15and simply
28:16the Israelis
28:18are doing
28:18that thing,
28:19continue doing
28:20that thing.
28:20So,
28:21the Iranian
28:21foreign minister
28:23has said
28:23if Israel
28:24stops at
28:25four o'clock
28:25in the morning,
28:27Iran is going
28:27to stop.
28:28Israel didn't
28:28stop and
28:29that's it.
28:29No ceasefire.
28:31I mean,
28:31even if there
28:32is no agreement
28:33about the
28:34ceasefire,
28:34no kind of
28:34written document
28:35or anything
28:36of that kind.
28:37So,
28:37excuse me for
28:38expression,
28:38but all of
28:38this
28:39steam about
28:40ceasefire,
28:41not worth
28:43mention.
28:44Why do you
28:44think then
28:45the US
28:46president,
28:46after all,
28:47it's no
28:47ordinary figure,
28:48he made the
28:50same comment
28:50when it came
28:51to India,
28:51Pakistan,
28:52India had
28:52to refute,
28:53even though
28:54Pakistan went
28:54ahead and
28:55said we'll
28:56nominate him
28:56for the
28:57Nobel Peace
28:57Prize.
28:58He's doing
28:58it again.
28:59He's repeatedly
29:00tried to
29:00mention that
29:01I have managed
29:02this truce
29:03and ceasefire
29:03in conflict
29:04areas while
29:04we know
29:05that the
29:05war is still
29:05on,
29:06on the
29:06ground.
29:07Because he
29:08is the
29:09most important
29:10person to
29:10himself.
29:11And nothing
29:12else matters.
29:14And he,
29:16it is the
29:17same why he
29:17has involved
29:18USA in
29:19this war
29:19with Israeli
29:22aggression on
29:23Iran.
29:24Because he
29:25became jealous
29:26that Netanyahu
29:27is attracting
29:29so much
29:30attention,
29:30therefore he
29:31must be now
29:32the peacemaker
29:33and deal
29:33broker and
29:34so on.
29:34And this is
29:35the only
29:35purpose he's
29:36doing all
29:36of this.
29:38Do you
29:38believe Iran,
29:39while has
29:40refuted it
29:40already,
29:41will take
29:42a step
29:42back on
29:43this?
29:43Because Iran
29:44with the
29:45Khamenei
29:45regime says
29:46they'll go
29:47all after
29:48Israel and
29:49the USA
29:50assets as
29:50well.
29:51What shall
29:52Iran do?
29:53It's Israel
29:54who is
29:54attacking Iran,
29:55not the
29:55other way
29:56around.
29:56Iran can
29:57only strike
29:57back.
29:58What shall
29:59they do?
29:59They should
30:00sit there
30:00and wait
30:01for Israelis
30:01to continue
30:02attacking
30:02them?
30:04There is no
30:05other option.
30:07Let's talk
30:07about the
30:08images that
30:08came in
30:09a few
30:09hours ago.
30:10The night
30:10sky that
30:11was lit
30:11up even
30:12over Qatar
30:12when we
30:13saw the
30:13missiles coming
30:14in.
30:15Do you
30:15think this
30:16could,
30:16one,
30:17tell me
30:17about the
30:18missiles,
30:18the kind
30:19of airstrikes
30:20that we are
30:20looking at
30:21right now
30:21from Iran?
30:22And two,
30:23do you
30:23think that
30:24this could
30:24drag in
30:25other
30:25countries?
30:27Of course
30:28it could
30:28drag into
30:28other
30:29countries.
30:29The question
30:30is how
30:30professional are
30:31politicians
30:31over there.
30:33I mean,
30:33US strike
30:34on Iranian
30:35nuclear facility
30:37was an
30:38obvious show.
30:39Striking
30:40empty
30:40facilities
30:41from which
30:41enriched
30:42material was
30:43evacuated
30:44only days
30:45before that.
30:46Iranians
30:47have had
30:47so much
30:47time to
30:48evacuate
30:49their
30:49facilities
30:50that they
30:51have even
30:51buried
30:52the entrances
30:53to Fordo,
30:54for example.
30:55So,
30:55I mean,
30:56this is not
30:56something that
30:56you are doing
30:57in a matter
30:57of two
30:58hours or
30:58something.
30:59You drive
31:00a bulldozer
31:00and then
31:01get a
31:03little bit
31:03of gravel
31:04and earth
31:05into this
31:06entrance.
31:07These are
31:08huge
31:08constructions.
31:09You have
31:09to move
31:10thousands
31:10of tons
31:11of material
31:13in order
31:13to bury
31:14them.
31:14And this
31:15has happened
31:16only two
31:16days before
31:17the US
31:17strike.
31:19And so
31:19what the
31:20Americans
31:20bombed,
31:21okay,
31:21nice,
31:21five fantastic
31:22operations
31:23flew from
31:24the United
31:24States
31:25all the
31:25way to
31:25Iran
31:26and
31:26reached
31:26actually
31:27these
31:27facilities.
31:28Iranian
31:28didn't
31:29even
31:29shoot
31:29back.
31:29So if
31:31somebody
31:31is considering
31:32this a
31:32serious
31:33military
31:33operation,
31:34fine with
31:34me.
31:35Then
31:35Iranians
31:35strike
31:36back
31:36at
31:38Al-Udeid
31:39airbase.
31:39This is
31:40the
31:40headquarter
31:41of the
31:41United
31:42States
31:42forces
31:42in the
31:43Middle
31:43East.
31:46Fired
31:46something
31:46like,
31:47well,
31:48if it
31:48was 20,
31:49I don't
31:49believe it
31:50was more
31:50than 20
31:51missiles.
31:52Only one
31:53impact was
31:53recorded,
31:54that's it.
31:54Exactly.
31:55The airbase
31:55was also
31:56evacuated
31:57already a
31:57week ago,
31:59so they
31:59hit also
32:00not,
32:01this was
32:01all
32:01show.
32:02And then
32:02Israelis
32:03continued
32:03bombing
32:04Iran.
32:05What
32:06should
32:06Iranians
32:06do,
32:06but
32:06continue
32:07rocketing
32:08Israel?
32:09Tom,
32:11you know,
32:11I want
32:11to pick
32:12up from
32:12what you
32:12have said.
32:13So,
32:13basically,
32:14a missile
32:14strike,
32:15not many
32:16casualties,
32:17immediate
32:17ceasefire.
32:19You must
32:19have also
32:20caught on
32:20to this
32:21chatter
32:21that's
32:21coming up,
32:22even from
32:22experts,
32:23that was
32:24this a
32:24fixed
32:24match
32:25between
32:25the USA,
32:26Iran,
32:27Israel
32:27combined,
32:28to make
32:29it look
32:29like one,
32:29and then
32:29suddenly
32:30Qatar
32:30appears to
32:31come in
32:31for a
32:32ceasefire.
32:33How do
32:34you react
32:34to this
32:35term
32:35coming up
32:36in the
32:36past few
32:37hours,
32:37a fixed
32:38match?
32:39There is
32:40no fixed
32:40match,
32:41except a
32:42little bit
32:42between
32:43United
32:43States
32:43and Iran.
32:44The two
32:45are running
32:48show
32:48operations
32:49against
32:49each
32:49other.
32:50United
32:50States
32:51does not
32:51want to
32:52become
32:53involved
32:53or dragged
32:54into a
32:54war that
32:54is going
32:55to last
32:55for years,
32:56that is
32:56sure.
32:57Iran
32:57knows that
32:58it cannot
32:59counter
32:59US
33:00military
33:00power,
33:01so does
33:02not want
33:02to become
33:03involved,
33:03but has
33:03to strike
33:04back because
33:04it was
33:05attacked
33:05and hit.
33:07But
33:07actual
33:07war goes
33:08on.
33:08This is
33:09Israeli
33:09aggression
33:10on
33:10Iran.
33:11And this
33:12war is
33:12going on,
33:13as we can
33:13see from
33:14three-wave
33:15missile strike
33:16on Israel
33:17this morning,
33:17causing heavy
33:18casualties
33:19in Beersheba,
33:21hitting
33:21Tel Aviv,
33:23Ramad David,
33:24Airbase
33:24and several
33:25other places
33:26in Israel.
33:26This is
33:27what matters.
33:29What matters
33:29is that
33:30Israeli
33:31airstrikes
33:31continue
33:31throughout
33:32the night.
33:34Arguably,
33:35these airstrikes
33:36are run
33:37from far
33:38away,
33:38usually from
33:39outside of
33:39the Iranian
33:40airspace.
33:42Only Israeli
33:43UAVs are
33:44operating inside
33:44the Iranian
33:45airspace.
33:46But nevertheless,
33:47they continue
33:48attacking Iran
33:49and therefore
33:49Iran hit back
33:50and that's
33:50it.
33:51I mean,
33:51all of
33:52Trump's
33:53announcements
33:53about ceasefire,
33:54this is all
33:55him trying
33:56to claim
34:00all the fame
34:01for himself.
34:02This is all
34:02that matters
34:03to Trump.
34:05While he's
34:06probably
34:06distracting
34:07from whatever
34:08he's doing
34:08at home
34:09in the United
34:09States.
34:11So at this
34:12juncture,
34:12I also want
34:13to talk about
34:13the kind of
34:14missiles that
34:15are being
34:15fired from
34:17Iran as
34:18much and
34:18that has led
34:19to some
34:19casualties.
34:20Like we're
34:20talking about
34:21in Beersheba,
34:22but also
34:22from Iran.
34:23Do you want
34:23to elaborate
34:24on that,
34:25this new
34:25attack that
34:26has happened
34:26from Iran
34:27just ahead
34:28of the
34:28ceasefire
34:28when we
34:29saw the
34:29sky lit
34:30up,
34:30even over
34:31Qatar?
34:32What kind
34:32of missiles
34:33are we
34:33talking about
34:34here?
34:35In the
34:36case of
34:36Qatar,
34:36they have
34:37fired
34:37short-ranged
34:38missiles with
34:38something like
34:39500 kilometers
34:40range,
34:41lighter missiles.
34:44This was
34:44just a
34:45show of
34:45operation.
34:46Again,
34:47there was
34:47no ceasefire.
34:48the
34:49announcements
34:52by Trump
34:53are
34:53null and
34:53void.
34:54As
34:55pointless,
34:55as I
34:55said,
34:56as if
34:57my
34:57neighbor's
34:57daughter
34:57has
34:58made
34:58them.
34:58It's
34:59the
34:59same
34:59war.
35:00What
35:00the
35:00Iranians
35:01are
35:01doing,
35:02actually
35:02using
35:03against
35:03Israel,
35:04is
35:04a
35:04different
35:04caliber
35:05of
35:05weapons.
35:05There
35:06are
35:06three
35:07generations
35:07of
35:07them.
35:08There
35:08are
35:08older
35:08ones
35:09from
35:09early
35:102000s,
35:11which
35:11are
35:11less
35:11precise,
35:12liquid-fueled.
35:14Then
35:15there
35:15is
35:15second
35:15generation,
35:16which
35:16is
35:16still
35:16liquid-fueled,
35:17but
35:17much
35:18heavier,
35:18much
35:18more
35:18precise,
35:19upgraded.
35:20And
35:20then
35:21there
35:21is
35:21the
35:21third
35:21generation,
35:22which
35:22is
35:22including
35:22hypersonic
35:23re-entry
35:24vehicles,
35:25which
35:25is
35:25very
35:25precise,
35:26which
35:26is
35:26regularly
35:27scoring
35:28hits
35:28in
35:28Israel,
35:29regularly
35:29causing
35:30heavy
35:30damage.
35:31What
35:31the
35:32Iranians
35:35hit
35:36selected
35:37spots
35:37in
35:37Israel,
35:39the
35:40problem
35:40for
35:41Iranians
35:41is
35:41that
35:41the
35:42IRGC
35:42is
35:43trying
35:43to
35:43hit
35:43targets
35:46of
35:47symbolic
35:47importance
35:48like
35:48Ministry
35:48of
35:49Interior,
35:50Ministry
35:50of
35:51Defense
35:52and
35:53so on
35:53instead
35:53of
35:53military
35:54targets.
35:55So
35:55there
35:55is
35:55a clash
35:56between
35:56these
35:56two
35:57schools
35:57inside
35:57the
35:58IRGC.
35:59The
36:00serious
36:00military
36:01school
36:01is
36:02trying
36:02to
36:02hit
36:02military
36:03targets
36:03like
36:04air
36:04defense
36:04sites.
36:05The
36:05typical
36:06IRGC
36:07school
36:07is
36:07trying
36:07to
36:08hit
36:08symbolic
36:08targets
36:09and
36:09it
36:10is
36:10really
36:10hard
36:11to
36:11follow
36:11which
36:12of
36:12the
36:12two
36:13groups
36:13is
36:14kind
36:15of
36:15in
36:15advantage
36:17on
36:17a
36:17given
36:17day.
36:18One
36:18day
36:18they
36:18hit
36:18one
36:19kind
36:19of
36:19targets
36:19the
36:19other
36:20day
36:20another
36:20kind
36:20of
36:20targets.
36:21Some
36:21are
36:22interpreting
36:22this
36:22as
36:22mapping
36:23of
36:23the
36:23Israeli
36:24defenses
36:24and
36:24certainly
36:25there
36:25is
36:25that
36:25element
36:26as
36:26well.
36:26But
36:27essentially
36:28down
36:29at
36:29bottom
36:30there
36:31is
36:31a clash
36:35of
36:35military targets
36:35and
36:35the
36:36other
36:36on
36:36symbolic
36:36targets
36:37on
36:37propaganda
36:38targets
36:38and
36:39it
36:40is
36:40every
36:40single
36:41day
36:41there
36:41is
36:41a
36:42kind
36:42of
36:42clash
36:42between
36:43them
36:43and
36:43one
36:44can
36:44never
36:44say
36:44which
36:45one
36:46is
36:46on
36:46advantage
36:46this
36:47day
36:47or
36:48or
36:48disadvantage.
36:50But
36:50essentially
36:51I said
36:51ballistic
36:52missiles
36:52which
36:53are
36:53more
36:53sophisticated
36:53than
36:54those
36:54of
36:54Pakistan
36:55for
36:55example
36:55which
36:56are
36:56also
36:57longer
36:57ranged
36:57which
36:58can
36:58deploy
37:00multiple
37:01re-entry
37:02vehicles
37:02which
37:05can
37:07deploy
37:07cluster
37:07bomb
37:07units
37:08we have
37:08seen
37:08several
37:09times
37:09deployed
37:09against
37:10Israel
37:10and so
37:11on.
37:11So
37:11it is
37:12a very
37:12serious
37:13threat
37:13what
37:13Iran
37:14has
37:14in its
37:15hands.
37:16Tom
37:16what are
37:17you
37:17picking
37:17up
37:17details
37:18your
37:18assessment
37:19on
37:19the
37:19kind
37:20of
37:20damage
37:20of
37:21the
37:21U.S.
37:21run
37:21Aludet
37:22base
37:22in
37:23Qatar
37:23because
37:23that
37:23also
37:24was
37:24a
37:25target
37:25clearly
37:25by
37:26Iran
37:27and
37:27its
37:27missiles.
37:28So
37:28what
37:28kind
37:28of
37:28damage
37:29are
37:29we
37:29looking
37:29at
37:30if
37:30at
37:30all?
37:35I
37:35spent
37:35two
37:36hours
37:36checking
37:37what
37:38has
37:38happened
37:38asking
37:40contacts
37:41checking
37:41videos
37:42and so
37:42on
37:42and
37:43all
37:43I've
37:43seen
37:44was
37:44one
37:44impact
37:46and
37:46that's
37:46it.
37:46Where
37:47exactly
37:47are
37:47the
37:47base
37:48I
37:48don't
37:48know
37:48so
37:48it's
37:49hard
37:49to
37:49estimate
37:50what
37:50exactly
37:50was
37:51hit
37:51there
37:51or
37:51not
37:51but
37:53that
37:53was
37:53a
37:53show
37:54operation
37:54that
37:54was
37:54not
37:55a
37:55serious
37:55military
37:56operation
37:56especially
37:58not
37:58in
37:58comparison
37:58to
37:59what
37:59Iran
38:00is
38:00running
38:00against
38:01Israel.
38:02The
38:03point
38:03was
38:03this
38:03USA
38:04hit
38:04us
38:05so
38:05we
38:05are
38:05hitting
38:05back
38:06on
38:06the
38:06United
38:06States
38:07can
38:08say
38:09they
38:09have
38:09hit
38:09Iran
38:10we
38:15have
38:15hit
38:15back
38:15and
38:15that's
38:16it
38:16you know
38:16that is
38:16a pure
38:17show
38:17sorry
38:18you're
38:19sure
38:19you're
38:19saying
38:19that's
38:20coming
38:20yes
38:21at
38:21this
38:21juncture
38:21let's
38:22talk
38:22about
38:22the
38:22show
38:23is
38:24the
38:24part
38:24between
38:25United
38:25States
38:25and
38:25Iran
38:26serious
38:27part
38:27is
38:28between
38:28Israel
38:28and
38:28Iran
38:29let's
38:30talk
38:31about
38:31then
38:31the
38:31three
38:31figures
38:32leading
38:32these
38:32countries
38:33it's
38:34a
38:34US
38:35president
38:35Donald
38:36Trump
38:36then
38:36Benjamin
38:37Netanyahu
38:37and then
38:38Khamenei
38:38let's
38:39talk about
38:40these
38:40figures
38:40how do
38:40you see
38:41them
38:41emerging
38:42right now
38:42who do
38:43you think
38:43has come
38:44out
38:44stronger
38:45when we
38:45talk about
38:46the
38:46narrative
38:46warfare
38:47who do
38:48you think
38:48perhaps
38:48at this
38:49juncture
38:49is trying
38:49to emerge
38:50stronger
38:51but
38:51is looking
38:52more as
38:53aggressive
38:54is not
38:54helping
38:55ease down
38:55tensions
38:56let's
38:56talk about
38:57these
38:57three
38:57figures
38:57because
38:58many
38:58have
38:58said
38:58that
38:59these
38:59three
39:00men
39:00at the
39:00helm
39:01of
39:01affairs
39:02world war
39:03three
39:03no
39:04world war
39:05three
39:05there is
39:05not
39:06going to
39:06be
39:06any
39:06kind
39:06of
39:06world war
39:07three
39:07okay
39:08I mean
39:09look
39:09I grew
39:09up in
39:10the
39:1070s
39:10and 80s
39:11when
39:11US
39:13and
39:13Soviet
39:13submarines
39:14were
39:14colliding
39:15US
39:15aircraft
39:16carrier
39:16collided
39:17with
39:17the
39:17Soviet
39:17nuclear
39:18attack
39:19submarine
39:19when
39:20they
39:20were
39:21flying
39:21Soviet
39:22bombers
39:23all
39:23around
39:24Europe
39:24into
39:24the
39:24North
39:25Atlantic
39:25and
39:25Americans
39:26were
39:26flying
39:27their
39:27bombers
39:27and
39:28reconnaissance
39:28aircraft
39:29into
39:29the
39:29Soviet
39:29airspace
39:30so
39:30it
39:30was
39:30entirely
39:32or at
39:33least
39:33it's
39:34a
39:34different
39:34situation
39:34what I
39:35consider
39:35as
39:35possibility
39:36of
39:36World
39:36War
39:36Three
39:37when
39:37there
39:37was
39:381983
39:38there
39:39was
39:40a
39:40fake
39:40alarm
39:41in
39:41Soviet
39:42air
39:42defense
39:42system
39:43and
39:43they
39:43almost
39:44launched
39:44their
39:44nuclear
39:45strike
39:46on
39:46the
39:46United
39:46States
39:47so
39:47this
39:48is
39:49serious
39:49what
39:50is
39:50happening
39:51here
39:51is
39:51a
39:52local
39:52affair
39:53actually
39:54where
39:55Israel
39:55is
39:56trying
39:56to
39:56impose
39:57its
39:57will
39:57upon
39:58anti
39:58Middle
39:58East
39:58they
39:59have
40:00this
40:00plan
40:01this
40:01is
40:01documented
40:02by
40:03US
40:04military
40:04documentation
40:05since
40:061948
40:07and
40:07to
40:07make
40:07it
40:08sure
40:08since
40:09March
40:091948
40:10third
40:11month
40:12of
40:12the
40:12year
40:121948
40:13so
40:14that
40:14means
40:14before
40:14Israel
40:15came
40:15officially
40:16came
40:16into
40:16being
40:16that
40:18Israel
40:18is
40:18planning
40:18to
40:19establish
40:19itself
40:19in
40:20hegemony
40:21over
40:21anti
40:21Middle
40:22East
40:22and
40:22what
40:23are
40:23they
40:23doing
40:23now
40:23is
40:24just
40:24a
40:24continuation
40:25of
40:25what
40:25they
40:25started
40:25to
40:26do
40:26in
40:261948
40:27they
40:28do
40:28not
40:28care
40:28about
40:29freedom
40:29of
40:29Iran
40:30they
40:30do
40:30not
40:30care about
40:32whatever
40:33the only
40:33aim
40:34is
40:34they
40:35are
40:35better
40:35than
40:35anybody
40:36else
40:36and
40:36therefore
40:37they
40:37have
40:37to
40:37be
40:38in
40:38control
40:38of
40:38everybody
40:39in
40:39the
40:39Middle
40:39East
40:40Do you
40:40not
40:40see
40:41Khamenei
40:41as an
40:41oppressive
40:42regime
40:42that
40:43possibly
40:43because
40:44there
40:44has
40:44been
40:44a
40:44certain
40:45dissent
40:45and
40:45a
40:46crackdown
40:46that
40:47has
40:47happened
40:47in
40:47Iran
40:48as
40:48well
40:48because
40:48you
40:49say
40:49that
40:49you
40:50believe
40:50that
40:50Israel
40:51is
40:51the
40:51one
40:51where
40:52Israeli
40:52aggression
40:52is
40:53the
40:53concern
40:53here
40:54Israeli
40:56aggression
40:56is
41:02starts
41:03taking
41:04serious
41:05steps
41:05against
41:05what
41:06Israel
41:06is
41:06doing
41:06which
41:07is
41:07dismantling
41:07the
41:08entire
41:08system
41:09of
41:09international
41:09law
41:10and
41:10order
41:11established
41:12in
41:1244-45
41:13United
41:14Nations
41:14Charter
41:15Custom
41:16International
41:17Humanitarian
41:18Law
41:18of War
41:19Geneva
41:20Conventions
41:20all of
41:21this
41:21is
41:21violated
41:22by
41:22Israel
41:22and
41:24this
41:24is
41:25absolutely
41:25ignored
41:26by
41:26the
41:26West
41:26and
41:26because
41:27West
41:27is
41:27ignoring
41:28it
41:28Israel
41:28can
41:28continue
41:29as
41:29much
41:29as
41:29it
41:29likes
41:30so
41:30actually
41:30supporting
41:31Israel
41:31in
41:32many
41:32ways
41:32the
41:32Western
41:32nations
41:33in
41:33fact
41:33have
41:33also
41:34been
41:34coming
41:35out
41:35in
41:35support
41:36of
41:36Israel
41:37without
41:38any
41:39kind
41:39of
41:39reservations
41:40Just
41:41two more
41:42questions
41:42Tom
41:42just
41:43to
41:45finish
41:45this
41:45because
41:46I
41:46don't
41:47want
41:47the
41:47impression
41:47to
41:48emerge
41:48that
41:49I
41:49am
41:49supporting
41:49Iran
41:50I'm
41:50not
41:50I'm
41:50just
41:51analysing
41:51what
41:51is
41:51a
41:52matter
41:52of
41:52fact
41:52we
41:52have
41:53a
41:53murderous
41:54regime
41:56deeply
41:57corrupt
41:57in
41:58Iran
41:59as
41:59well
41:59this
42:00is
42:00arresting
42:01opposition
42:01assassinating
42:03or
42:03executing
42:03opposition
42:04and so
42:05on
42:05absolutely
42:06no doubt
42:06about this
42:07so we
42:07have
42:07one can
42:08also
42:09discuss
42:09the
42:10impact
42:10of
42:11religion
42:11on both
42:12sides
42:12and so on
42:13that's
42:13that's a
42:13fair point
42:14what about
42:15Russia and
42:16China
42:16I want to
42:16understand
42:17Russia has
42:17met
42:17Iranian
42:18foreign
42:18minister
42:18how do
42:19you look
42:19at
42:19Russia's
42:19role
42:20here
42:20China
42:20also
42:21has
42:21come
42:21in
42:22quickly
42:23and
42:23simple
42:23Russia
42:23is
42:24unimportant
42:24but
42:25China
42:25is
42:25silently
42:26supporting
42:27Iran
42:27one
42:29one
42:29shouldn't
42:29forget
42:29that
42:29Iran
42:30is
42:30de facto
42:30a
42:30colony
42:31economic
42:32colony
42:32of
42:32China
42:32meanwhile
42:33because
42:33it's
42:33exporting
42:3480%
42:35of its
42:35oil
42:35to
42:35China
42:36and
42:36it's
42:37paid
42:37in
42:38Chinese
42:38money
42:38for
42:39this
42:39which
42:39means
42:40it can
42:40only
42:40for
42:41money
42:42it is
42:42earning
42:43from
42:43selling
42:43oil
42:44to
42:44China
42:44it can
42:45only
42:45buy
42:45Chinese
42:46products
42:46nothing
42:46else
42:47and
42:48final
42:48question
42:48because
42:49it
42:49concerns
42:50India
42:50how do
42:51you
42:51look
42:51at
42:51India's
42:52role
42:52here
42:52do
42:52you
42:52think
42:53it
42:53should
42:53go ahead
42:53play
42:54as
42:54a
42:54mediator
42:54it
42:55should
42:55take
42:55a
42:55step
42:55back
42:56protect
42:56its
42:56domestic
42:57interests
42:57not
42:58really
42:58get
42:58into
42:58this
42:59war
42:59because
42:59both
43:00are
43:00our
43:00friendly
43:01allies
43:01Israel
43:02Iran
43:02as
43:02well
43:02and
43:03of
43:03course
43:03we
43:03have
43:03trade
43:04and
43:04interests
43:04with
43:04the
43:05USA
43:05you
43:07cannot
43:07become
43:08involved
43:08because
43:09with whom
43:10do
43:10you
43:10want
43:10to
43:10become
43:10involved
43:11so
43:11my
43:12recommendation
43:12would be
43:13to
43:13stay
43:13out
43:14okay
43:15you
43:15are
43:15importing
43:16lots
43:16of
43:16Israeli
43:17software
43:17and
43:17hardware
43:18for your
43:18armed
43:18forces
43:19and
43:20what
43:20now
43:21I
43:22mean
43:22with whom
43:23do you
43:23want
43:23to
43:23become
43:24involved
43:24with
43:24the
43:24US
43:25president
43:25who
43:25is
43:25running
43:26the
43:27country
43:27via
43:27the
43:28ex
43:28or
43:28former
43:29Twitter
43:29with
43:30Israeli
43:31president
43:31or
43:32excuse
43:32me
43:32a
43:33minister
43:33president
43:34who
43:34is
43:34actually
43:36only
43:36after
43:36his
43:37own
43:37personal
43:37fame
43:38he
43:38needs
43:38a
43:39war
43:39he
43:39needs
43:39a
43:39permanent
43:40war
43:40in order
43:40to
43:40remain
43:41in
43:41power
43:41otherwise
43:42he
43:42knows
43:42he
43:42is
43:42going
43:42to
43:43be
43:43removed
43:43with
43:45Israeli
43:45population
43:4680-90%
43:47of which
43:48is
43:48supporting
43:48a
43:48genocide
43:49on
43:49Palestinians
43:50with whom
43:50do you
43:50want
43:51to
43:51work
43:51over
43:51there
43:52with
43:52Iranian
43:52government
43:53where
43:54Khamenei
43:55cannot
43:55even
43:55show
43:56in the
43:56public
43:57because
43:57he
43:57is
43:58constantly
43:58running
43:59away
43:59from
44:00Mozart's
44:01terror
44:01squads
44:01who
44:02attempted
44:03to
44:03assassinate
44:03him
44:03at least
44:04five
44:04times
44:04the
44:04last
44:05week
44:05so
44:06with whom
44:06do you
44:06want
44:06to
44:07walk
44:07over
44:07there
44:08stay
44:08out
44:08of
44:09this
44:09and
44:09watch
44:10it
44:10and
44:10enjoy
44:10it
44:11excuse
44:11me
44:11for
44:11expression
44:11well
44:12cannot
44:12say
44:13we
44:13enjoyed
44:13but
44:13definitely
44:14tracking
44:14and
44:15looking
44:15at
44:15the
44:15developments
44:16as
44:16well
44:16Tom
44:17appreciate
44:17you
44:17joining
44:18us
44:18for
44:18all
44:18your
44:18perspectives
44:19and
44:19expertise
44:20as
44:20always
44:20for
44:20speaking
44:21to
44:21India
44:21today
44:21thank
44:22you
44:22very
44:22much
44:22thank
44:23you
44:23you
44:23thank
44:24you
44:24very
44:24much
44:24goodbye
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