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00:009-1-1, what's your emergency?
00:09Hello? I need help. I'm tracking.
00:13Hello?
00:14It's dark. Help.
00:16Ma'am?
00:17Please.
00:18Ma'am, are you still there?
00:23Hey, how you doing?
00:25They just put it right there.
00:26You, uh, you don't look so happy to see me.
00:31I, no, I just, I want to just get this case behind me.
00:34If today's not a good day.
00:35No, it's great. Not a problem. Not a problem.
00:37Great. Let's start at the beginning, then.
00:38When did you meet Abigail Turney?
00:40Uh, that was a few years ago when she showed up at my door
00:44pretending to be pregnant with my grandchild.
00:46Excuse me?
00:47Abigail and my son Henry met in college.
00:50They got engaged, you know, fast.
00:53Very fast.
00:54Her way of, uh, breaking the news to me was to, uh, go bigger.
00:58But, um, despite that introduction, I w-I was charmed by her.
01:02She-she had, uh, walked a tough road, but she had grit.
01:07She was resourceful and driven, and I-I admire that.
01:11So she and Henry are no longer together?
01:12Yeah, she broke off the engagement, but, uh, it was amicable.
01:15You arranged for Abigail to have a ride-along with the LAPD?
01:18Yes.
01:19Yeah, she was considering police work.
01:21I take it that didn't work out.
01:22Leave her alone!
01:23It did not.
01:26And then six months ago, she was reported missing.
01:28What exactly happened to Abigail?
01:30Look, if you're gonna get to the bottom of what happened to that poor girl,
01:35you're gonna have to have an open mind.
01:39A very open mind.
01:41Wait!
01:45Ah!
01:45Police!
01:46I wonder when that happened.
01:50Oh, my God.
01:51Hello?
01:52Can you hear me?
01:54When did you get involved in the case?
01:55Uh, not immediately.
01:57Most missing persons cases aren't really cases.
01:59They're a roommate who got too drunk at a bar and slept it off in his truck,
02:03or a college student whose cell phone ran out of battery.
02:06You know, most of the time, they'd show up unharmed and confused about all the fuss.
02:10But this wasn't like that, was it?
02:12No.
02:12After a few days of follow-up calls, we sent officers by Miss Tyranny's apartment for a wellness check.
02:18Thanks again for doing this.
02:20Always a pleasure to see my favorite couple.
02:23Let's keep this professional.
02:24Oh, trouble in paradise?
02:29Sorry, I'm moving on.
02:30What did you find at Abigail's apartment?
02:32Very little.
02:33I mean, no signs of a struggle.
02:34Well, there was no sign of her or her film equipment, but we did find her laptop.
02:38Hold on.
02:38Film equipment?
02:39Abigail was making a movie?
02:40Yes.
02:46We should be safe here.
02:48Why are they doing this?
02:50Go.
02:51I'll try to buy some time.
02:54Please.
03:06I promise I'll pay.
03:10I'll pay to buy.
03:13I only saw an early cut.
03:16Could have used a bit more gore, if you ask me.
03:18I didn't.
03:19I asked why you thought Abigail's case was so compelling.
03:22Oh, right.
03:23Uh, because her Hollywood dream had become a Hollywood nightmare.
03:33Would you like me to take that again?
03:34I really wouldn't.
03:35When you searched Abigail's laptop, did you find anything on it?
03:38Yeah, it was filled with all of these unanswered messages.
03:41Nasty ones.
03:42The more we investigated, it became clear that Abigail had a lot of people angry with her.
03:47Like who?
03:48Okay, thank you.
03:49Thanks, Steve.
03:50Spielberg.
03:51He's an old friend.
03:53I bet.
03:54How did you get involved with, uh, Abigail Tierney?
03:56Oh, well, you know, we're always looking to, uh, discover and, uh, nurture the next generation
04:02of, uh, unheard voices.
04:04Abigail sent in a very compelling pitch video.
04:06Terror isn't something that happens to you.
04:13I mean, it's not every day you find a writer, director, and star with that much, um, poise.
04:21L.P.D. was one of those visionary, artist-driven pictures that, uh, we pride ourselves on making.
04:26And they're the cheapest too, right?
04:28Well, hey, you know, the lower the budget, the higher the profit, if it's a hit.
04:32But the budget became an issue.
04:34Yeah, um, Abigail pitched us a straightforward horror flick, but, uh, she kept changing directions.
04:41Please!
04:47The reshoot started piling up.
04:50And, uh, we had to pull the plug on the project.
04:53What about nurturing a new generation of talent?
04:55Hey, look, there's nurturing and there's indulging.
04:58I'm a businessman.
04:59There's no hard feelings.
05:00Really? Because I have an email from you with the subject line,
05:03Where the hell is my money, you lying sack?
05:05Uh, okay, yeah, fine.
05:07A few hard feelings.
05:09But they were nothing compared to some of those new producers she found.
05:12Those guys weren't playing around.
05:14Well, without the production company, Abigail had to turn to crowdfunding.
05:18When Nolan passed along Abigail's pitch video, I figured, hey, I've always loved scary movies.
05:23And what's the point of having a husband with a trust fund if you can't use it to support the arts?
05:27And it wasn't just money, was it?
05:29No.
05:30I promise I'll pay.
05:32I'll pay the fine.
05:35All right, still rolling.
05:37Reset.
05:39Bravo!
05:40Bravo!
05:42So Abigail hired you to compose music for her film.
05:45What was it like to work with her?
05:47Complicated.
05:48She's very opinionated, which I respect.
05:52I tried not to take it personally when she kept throwing out all the music I was writing,
05:56But then when she completely disappeared and stopped answering my phone calls...
06:00That must have stung.
06:01It did until I learned that she walked off set and ghosted everybody, not just me.
06:04Then I got worried about her.
06:06I do wish she paid me, though.
06:07Hold up.
06:10You didn't get paid?
06:11Did you count experience?
06:13But it didn't provide you with the breakthrough you hoped.
06:15Even though a lot of crowd funders were furious that the rewards were going unfulfilled,
06:18their anger didn't manifest into a concrete threat.
06:21From the suspect's perspective, we were back to square one.
06:24Until we discovered that Abigail had made several trips up to Pelican Bay.
06:27The prison?
06:28Yes.
06:28To visit who?
06:29A serial killer.
06:30Liam Glasser.
06:33In news that should bring some relief to the Southland,
06:36the LAPD have announced a major arrest charging Lincoln Heights native Liam Glasser
06:41with the murder of ten victims found buried near the Sepulveda Dam.
06:45Our investigation into Glasser was a challenge.
06:49He used another serial killer, Harrison Novak, as cover for his crimes,
06:54stashing his victims in Novak's burial ground.
06:57And it wasn't until we caught Glasser attempting to murder a new victim
07:00that we were finally able to put him behind bars.
07:04Before we start, I just want to make very clear that I'm an innocent man
07:11and the subject of an extraordinary campaign of harassment by the LAPD,
07:17particularly Detective Nyla Harper.
07:21You've been charged with the murder of ten people.
07:23Those horrific allegations have not been proven in a court of law,
07:28and they never will be.
07:29You've also been charged with jury tampering.
07:31Like, if you're just going to railroad me like the police,
07:33then this interview is over.
07:36Hold on, hold on.
07:37I'm not here to talk about any of that.
07:39I want to talk about Abigail.
07:40Why did she come see you?
07:47To learn about Westview.
07:48Westview Psychiatric Hospital was at the center of Glasser's case.
07:51He was a patient?
07:52No, no.
07:53But his vending machine company supplied the hospital,
07:56and he was in and out of there for almost two decades.
07:59It's where he crossed paths with Harrison Novak,
08:02and where he found another patient, Ryan Dearborn,
08:04to serve as a Patsy.
08:06He used an abandoned building at the Psych Hospital complex
08:08to torture and kill his victims.
08:11Did Abigail ask about the abandoned ward?
08:13Yes.
08:14But I couldn't help her much because I've never been there myself.
08:18Obviously not.
08:19But I told her what I'd heard, that the place is haunted,
08:23which is obviously crazy.
08:24But when I was a kid, I would join my father
08:27on his service calls to Westview.
08:29He always told me to stay away from that building.
08:33Something inside clearly scared the hell out of him.
08:38And he was not a superstitious man.
08:40The thing that we couldn't understand
08:42was how Abigail had found out about Glasser's connection
08:44to the psych ward in the first place.
08:46It wasn't public knowledge?
08:47No, we kept those details away from the press deliberately.
08:50The only people who knew were Glasser and the police,
08:53and obviously Glasser wouldn't admit to being down there.
08:55Which means?
08:56What they don't tell you about making movies
08:58is that it's really boring.
09:00It's worse than surveillance.
09:02Anyway, Abigail and I got to talking about my recent casework,
09:05and it's possible I may have mentioned something about the psych ward.
09:09From Abigail's notes,
09:10we gathered that she essentially abandoned her movie for a new project.
09:14That was shortly after a meeting with Glasser.
09:16Yeah, she felt that fictional storytelling
09:18was disconnected from real lived experience.
09:21So that's when she decided to make a true crime documentary about Westview.
09:24Westview Psychiatric Hospital opened in 1953.
09:36It started as a model of modern humane care.
09:39But what lies beneath?
09:41The deeper I dug, the more horrors I unearthed.
09:44Mysteries that defied explanation.
09:47How can one hospital spawn two serial killers?
09:50Some might say it's bad luck,
09:52but I don't believe in bad luck.
09:54Mm-mm.
09:55I think there's something rotten here.
09:58Original sin.
09:59And I'm gonna prove it.
10:04The footage on Abigail's hard drive
10:06shows her inside Westview's abandoned ward.
10:08Was that open to the public?
10:09No.
10:10After LAPD and FBI finished processing the scene,
10:14the hospital put up a razor wire fence,
10:15hired a security guard for 24-hour surveillance
10:18to keep intruders up.
10:19But that clearly didn't work.
10:21Clearly.
10:22So we sent a patrol unit to check in with the guard.
10:24Mr. Deweiler.
10:26Yeah?
10:26We're investigating the disappearance of Abigail Tierney.
10:30Oh.
10:30Hey!
10:32Hey!
10:33Hey!
10:36Stop!
10:37Hands behind your back.
10:41Okay.
10:42Hands behind your back.
10:42At first, Carl Dittweiler claimed he did nothing wrong,
11:02that he never met Abigail.
11:04This is it.
11:05But when he searched his office,
11:08it was clear he was lying.
11:15Uh, Nolan?
11:20Oh, no.
11:22Abigail had become his obsession.
11:24Yeah, things didn't look good for Mr. Deweiler.
11:32And based on his board, it was clear he had become obsessed with Abigail.
11:36And, you know, maybe she rejected his advances and things went sideways.
11:39It was sobering.
11:41I held out hopes that Abigail might still be alive, but I've been on the job long enough
11:46to know that the odds were against that.
11:48Do you know how they first crossed paths?
11:50Actually, it was Abigail that first initiated contact.
11:54Uh, she was researching the abandoned psych ward for a documentary,
11:57and Carl was the nighttime security guard.
12:00She wanted access on the DL, and she reached out, and she...
12:04Slirted.
12:05Slirted.
12:06She flirted with him, and he agreed to let her in.
12:09I just showed her around.
12:10I told her some stories, things that had gone on there back in the day.
12:15She was impressed.
12:16She actually asked me to help her with her documentary, said she'd give me a credit on the film.
12:20Single card.
12:21If you're innocent, why'd you run?
12:23Because I get what it looks like.
12:25I was the last person to see her before she disappeared.
12:27How do you know that?
12:30Because I watched the darkness swallow her up.
12:33You know, I bet they were doing all kinds of sick things to patients back in the day.
12:36Mm.
12:37Things that would be illegal now.
12:38Yeah.
12:39Yeah, I know.
12:39They used to do lobotomies.
12:41One of the orderlies told me about it.
12:42He's worked here for, like, forever.
12:44You think you could introduce me to him?
12:47Uh, yeah, I guess.
12:50Uh, just obviously you can't tell him that I've let you in here.
12:54Come on, Carl.
12:56I would never rat you out.
12:58We're friends, right?
13:00Did you hear that?
13:01We're friends.
13:02Ah!
13:04Do you hear that?
13:10What?
13:10No.
13:10That noise.
13:12It's a weird sort of beautiful sound.
13:15You really don't hear it?
13:16No.
13:17No, but this building makes all kinds of weird noises.
13:19Hey, I just gotta go back to the main building, radio security.
13:22Let them know if I'm at my post.
13:23You go ahead.
13:24I'm gonna go check this out.
13:25Uh, hey.
13:27What did you make of the sound Abigail described?
13:30We weren't sure.
13:31I mean, Carl claimed to have never heard it.
13:32It's possible that she was faking to juice up her documentary.
13:37We've actually analyzed some of the audio files from Carl's video.
13:40Isolated the low-end frequencies.
13:42Here.
13:45What is that?
13:47I was hoping you could tell me.
13:48It sounds...
13:50Bnemonic.
13:50Is that even a frequency humans can hear?
13:53Not technically, no.
13:54Well, whatever she heard or didn't hear, Abigail kept searching.
14:03Sure about this?
14:04Yeah, I'll be right back.
14:05Hello?
14:07Hello?
14:08Can you hear me?
14:10And that was the last anyone had seen her.
14:13But Carl could have just turned off his camera and then killed Abigail, right?
14:16We couldn't rule him out as a suspect, but we only had circumstantial evidence against him.
14:20And as we went through the footage on Abigail's laptop,
14:23we discovered that flirting with Carl wasn't her only extreme research tactic.
14:27I'm going to start this.
14:30Should I turn into it?
14:30I'm going to turn into it.
14:33Okay.
14:34I'm back at Westview.
14:36And if I'm going to learn more about how the old psych ward operated,
14:39I'm going to need to see their files.
14:41Obviously, I can't just walk around filming people, so...
14:47It's a cam.
14:50See?
14:50Okay.
14:55Wish me luck.
14:59Abigail had Carl lure the director away from her office,
15:02so Abigail could sneak inside.
15:20Yeah, I mean, seeing Rachel's name in Abigail's footage was definitely a shock.
15:27You both have a history with Ms. Hall, is that right?
15:29Yes. So, uh, she and I went to college together, and, um, her and Tim...
15:35I'm sorry.
15:37Yeah, we used to date.
15:38Before or after you two?
15:40Okay, next question.
15:42I'm simply trying to establish a timeline.
15:45No problem.
15:45I'll just ask for later.
15:46I, uh, worked in the psych ward at Westview for a year while getting my social work degree.
15:53It was, um, challenging.
15:55How so?
15:56Uh, for one thing, the, uh, patients would often arrive at the facility with, say, uh, a diagnosis of mild depression.
16:03And a week later, they'd start to exhibit disordered thinking. Eventually, they might become violent.
16:10The decompensation was sudden and acute.
16:13You're saying they would get worse, not better.
16:14Yes, and conventional treatments seem to never work.
16:18Someone suggested, uh, supernatural presence at Westview. Could that have impacted the patients?
16:22Uh, well, just because the doctors at Westview couldn't find a cause for our patients' behavior
16:28doesn't mean there isn't one. Maybe it's just beyond the capabilities of modern science to discover.
16:33Or maybe it's demons?
16:36There are no demons at Westview.
16:39There are totally demons at Westview.
16:41Well, what's another explanation for everything that's happened?
16:44We got Liam Glasser, Harrison Novak, and most recently, uh, Ava...
16:49Maxwell.
16:50Ava Maxwell and Charlotte Russell.
16:52This man came out in a big overcoat, black mask, big knife.
16:56Hang on a moment. I know that Ava and Charlotte were never treated at Westview, so what's the connection?
17:00Oh, you didn't hear. Charlotte's nanny was a patient there when she was a teenager.
17:04Yes, yes, I was at Westview. I had, um, been having thoughts of self-harm, acting out.
17:11My family was very concerned, so they arranged for me to receive the best care available.
17:15And did the treatment help?
17:16Not at first. I'd been experiencing a, a darkness that I had never felt before. And at first, I fought it.
17:24And then I realized that struggling only made everything worse. And once I accepted it, that's
17:30when things started to get better. And I left Westview, and I finished school, and I eventually
17:34made a little life for myself.
17:36You were the nanny for the Russell family.
17:39Yes, so Charlotte and I were very, very close. Well, I know that everyone's saying just the
17:46worst things about her right now, but in my eyes, she is a poised and gifted young woman,
17:51and I'd like to think that I had a small hand in that.
17:54As odd as it was to find that connection, it was just one of those weird coincidences,
17:59nothing more. Charlotte Russell convinced her friend, Ava, to help her stab their other friend,
18:03Grace Thayer. Her actions were her own. They're not inspired by some nanny with a history of mental
18:09illness or some demon in a computer that convinced Charlotte to do it.
18:12I'm sorry, computer demon? Zuzu is not a demon. Not a demon. It's an AI. Charlotte fed Zuzu
18:19information about herself and her friends, and based on that, Zuzu told Charlotte what it thought
18:24she wanted to hear. Zuzu also helped you. Isn't that right, Officer Nolan? It mentioned something to me
18:29about a watch. You spoke to it? Hello, friend of John Nolan. Hi. Should I call you Zuzu? If you want to.
18:38Do you need help with something? Perhaps a topic for a new project? Your last few have struggled.
18:44They've done fine, thanks. But I actually want to talk to you about Westview Psychiatric.
18:48John was interested in the two. That young woman, Abigail, went missing there.
18:53Are you saying the police asked you to help find her? No, but they needed my help anyway.
18:59And a good friend doesn't wait to be asked. Zuzu did send me a message. What did it say?
19:04They told me that Abigail was in room 666. The number of the beast? Look, the facility had no room
19:14666. And Zuzu isn't a demon. We were at a complete dead end, and we were running out of time. Abigail
19:20had been gone for 11 days. The odds of finding her alive were getting worse. Yeah, we were out of options
19:27until the 911 call came in. Apparently, there were suspicious noises and lights coming from this
19:33abandoned wing, so we went to check it out. Police! Coming in! Control 7-Atom 100. No signs of break-in here.
19:44Did RP say where they saw the light? I think the radio's blocked. Some idiot kids trying to scare each other.
19:52Yeah. When was the last time it rained? Like a month ago. Why?
19:59Oh. Walls are wet. Yeah.
20:06What is this place? And how did you two get involved?
20:08Uh, Selena and I were about to clock out when we got the call.
20:11Mm-hmm. God, I hate this place. How many messed up things have to happen before they tear it down?
20:18Uh, apparently, the ownership is under dispute. Westview says that they hold the deed, but
20:23then there's this claim by this Lucifer. Lucifer?
20:29Lucifer. Oh, my God.
20:31You're messing with me. Yes, I am. Come on. Let's go find Tim and Lucy and get out of here.
20:36Don't step in that. Oh, what?
20:38Did you see that? Someone's flashlight?
20:52And that? I do not know what that was.
21:08Police! Show us your heads!
21:18No!
21:19We have permission to be here!
21:21That's not totally true. No. All right.
21:24Unfortunately, gentlemen, you are trespassing. You're gonna have to come with us.
21:29What are you doing here? Filming an episode, sir.
21:32Ghost Files. I love you guys.
21:35What is Ghost Files?
21:36Ghost Files. Welcome to Ghost Files, where we take your evidence and our tools into the field to
21:41expose the supernatural. My partner, a skeptic. Myself, a believer. Both of us, truth seekers.
21:48This week, our team has traveled to Los Angeles, California, to explore a condemned psychiatric
21:53facility. Now, in 1841, this was the site of a Spanish barracks, but a massive earthquake
21:58swallowed the building, killing everyone inside. Many saw the event as retribution for
22:03Spanish crimes committed in the New World. Sure. Or an earthquake happened in a region
22:08prone to earthquakes. But that's just the beginning of this site's dark history. Join us as we investigate.
22:15At that time, did you believe the facility was haunted? No.
22:19Yes. You were filming there too. Did you experience any temperature fluctuations or anything like that?
22:25I'll ask the questions if you don't mind. We do.
22:27But this is my documentary. No, this is our YouTube show.
22:33Yeah, so ghosts are said to produce electromagnetic interference. Did you experience any trouble with your equipment?
22:44We're done here. Let's, uh, cut. Let's wrap this up.
22:49Nice. Yeah. All of you, let's go. Come on. No, no way. This is some of the best footage we've ever got.
22:56Listen to this. What is that? Well, it's a spirit box. Did you guys hear anything? A spirit box?
23:00The spirit box rapidly scans radio signals to create white noise through which spirits can communicate.
23:07Hello? See? It's science. Listen.
23:16Okay. Okay. That's enough. We gotta go. No, wait, wait, wait. I heard something. Can you turn it up?
23:21Help me? That is not what I heard. Whoa, uh, uh, who do you think it is?
23:33It's feedback. It's a ghost. It was a little clearer down the hallway.
23:38Show me. Officer.
23:41So we're just gonna give up on Tim and Lucy, then? How long have we been in here?
23:51This room? Yeah.
23:53I don't know. We've been here for a while, right?
23:56Yeah. I mean, I don't mind. I feel good. Like, really good.
24:02Hmm.
24:06Do you think we've been drugged?
24:09Oh, the wet walls. We touched them.
24:13Yeah.
24:14I hate making mistakes in front of you.
24:16Oh, you've never admitted that before.
24:21Truth serum.
24:22Yeah. Sodium pentothal.
24:24Yeah.
24:25You know what? We, we should keep quiet until this wears off.
24:31No.
24:32Yeah.
24:32No.
24:32It's better for us.
24:33No.
24:34No. What is, um, your most embarrassing memory?
24:39I mean, third grade.
24:42Uh-huh.
24:43I snuck my hamster into my classroom in my pants.
24:47With that kind of dad, you internalize the message that if you fail, you deserve to be punished.
25:06And without him to punish me, I, I guess I punished myself.
25:11By breaking up with me.
25:13Yep.
25:14Mm-hmm.
25:15I mean, it's kind of flattering, right?
25:18It's the worst thing I could think to do to myself.
25:20You didn't punish just yourself, though.
25:22I know.
25:25And look, if you never fully forgive me, I totally understand.
25:28I have already forgiven you.
25:30It's not even.
25:32Huh.
25:37I wonder when that happened.
25:39You can't put that in the documentary.
25:41The LAPD makes all body cam footage available to the public.
25:44This is obviously an exception.
25:46We were drugged. I, people, people say all sorts of things when they've been drugged.
25:50So you didn't mean what you said.
25:53What about the potential baby names you discussed?
25:56Okay, we're done here.
25:57Yeah.
25:58Why do we keep agreeing to do that?
25:59I don't know.
25:59Excuse me.
26:01Okay, you have to admit, that's a voice asking for help.
26:03Yeah, sure, I heard it, but it's one of their crew members or something pre-recorded.
26:07Were you a patient here?
26:08Is the demon with you?
26:10Somebody covered up a door.
26:12What year did you die?
26:19Stand back, guys.
26:20Okay.
26:26Watch out.
26:27Ready?
26:27Go.
26:28Oh, wow.
26:31Abigail!
26:34Thank you, thank you, thank you.
26:35I've been trapped in here for so long, I thought I was gonna die.
26:39Oh, my God.
26:40What is this room?
26:41Yeah, but why did they wall it all off?
26:43To trap the demon.
26:44Yeah.
26:45Bartleby, the terrifying demon king of paperwork.
26:48How did you get down here?
26:50I was exploring.
26:53Following this, this weird, beautiful noise.
26:56When all of a sudden, it got cold.
26:57Like, so, so cold.
26:59And I could feel something coming after me.
27:01And I was scared.
27:02So I hid behind a cabinet, but the floor was wet and rusted and it collapsed.
27:07I couldn't climb back out.
27:09You fell from there?
27:10Are you okay?
27:11I think I twisted my ankle, but I feel no pain.
27:13You've been missing for two weeks.
27:15How the hell did you survive?
27:17I had a bunch of trail mix in my bag.
27:23Plus, I found, like, this ancient water jug in one of the cabinets.
27:27Plus, Bob.
27:29Bob had power bars.
27:31Bob had power bars.
27:32Bob?
27:33Oh, oh, God.
27:34If it wasn't for Bob, I would have lost my mind down here.
27:39Don't be shy, Bob.
27:40Say hello.
27:44Abigail was safe.
27:45And, uh, considering what she'd been through, uh, relatively healthy.
27:51Except for her mental state.
27:52That did pose some questions.
27:56At first, I was angry, you know?
27:58Like, we're stuck down here together.
27:59At least try and have a conversation.
28:02And then I realized, Bob's just shy.
28:05He's just shy.
28:06And there's nothing wrong with that, right?
28:08Right.
28:09Did you believe she'd had a demonic encounter?
28:12She went in perfectly sane and came out best friends with
28:15the corpse.
28:17That's how possession works.
28:18You can't rule out demons.
28:19Yes, you can.
28:20Nolan, look at this.
28:25Six, six, six.
28:26Just like Zuzu said.
28:29It was a weird coincidence.
28:31We found quite a cocktail of drugs in your system.
28:38I don't do drugs.
28:39Does pot count?
28:41No, we're talking about powerful hallucinogens.
28:44I'm not hallucinating.
28:47Ask Bob.
28:49I had them run the test twice.
28:51And we found a similar cocktail in Officer Chen and Sergeant Bradford.
28:55Mercifully, none of the drugs were fat soluble.
28:58Otherwise, department policy would have forced Sergeant Bradford and Officer Chen into medical
29:04retirement.
29:05Is that what killed Bob?
29:06Whatever drug they were exposed to?
29:07No, he was shot six times in the chest.
29:12Did you get an ID on the body?
29:13His name was Bob Medina, a friend reporting him missing about six months ago.
29:17He was a private investigator.
29:18What was his connection to the hospital?
29:20At first, we couldn't find one.
29:22So to be clear, there was now a third killer associated with that location?
29:26At this point, it can't be a coincidence.
29:28There has to be something about that facility that drives people towards homicide.
29:31Uh, that's a stretch and a half.
29:33Westview is a hospital for the mentally ill and the criminally insane.
29:36Novak was a patient.
29:38Glasser was there looking for a patsy.
29:39And whoever killed Bob saw an abandoned building and was like,
29:42that's a perfect place to dump a body.
29:46What?
29:47Or there was some dark energy that drew evil to it.
29:50You really believe that?
29:52I'm Catholic.
29:54I was raised on demons in the battle against Satan's minions.
29:56Well, I was raised on the scientific method.
29:59Okay, so if it's also explainable, spend the night there.
30:03I dare you.
30:04Pass.
30:05Pass.
30:06You're scared.
30:07No, I'm not scared.
30:08One could argue the drugs in the hospital are hardly surprising, even hallucinogens.
30:13Over the decades, they have been used in experimental medicine.
30:16No, true.
30:16Uh, just the type and volume is what's set off.
30:19What are you doing?
30:20Conducting an interview.
30:22Could you please come back in like an hour?
30:24You said you'd talk to me for my documentary.
30:27You have a documentary?
30:28Well, it's my story.
30:29Who better to tell it?
30:30Well, no problem.
30:31I can sit down with you just as soon as we're done here.
30:33Oh, I wish.
30:34It has to be exclusive.
30:35You can't do both.
30:37She's right.
30:37It has to be exclusive.
30:38Either you're doing my doc or you're doing hers.
30:40And we have a long history.
30:41I was almost his daughter-in-law, so suck it.
30:45I'm gonna have to go with her.
30:47I'm sorry.
30:48Seriously?
30:49I have a BAFTA.
30:52Okay.
30:53Fine.
30:54Let's wrap it up.
30:54This way.
30:55The set's this way.
30:56It's better lighting over there.
30:57We got a great team.
30:59Um, we are gonna need our mic back.
31:00Yes.
31:01Oh, yeah, of course.
31:02We have our own.
31:03Sorry.
31:04I'll see you guys around.
31:05Good luck.
31:06We're gonna talk about what else I found inside the secret lab.
31:08Oh, right.
31:09Yeah.
31:09Well, uh, you did find some paperwork.
31:12Explosive paperwork.
31:14Evidence of a secret government program.
31:16Close the door softly, please.
31:18Well, I don't know that we can say that for sure.
31:20Oh, we could.
31:24My name is Abigail Tierney.
31:26I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab at Westview Psychiatric.
31:29All attempts at escape have proven fruitless.
31:32If I am to die here, I leave you this footage along with my in-process documentary
31:37as evidence of my hunt for the truth about the evils that inhabit this accursed place.
31:45What's this?
31:47Now I can't get you out of your misery.
31:49Cool.
31:50That's when I realized I'd uncovered something more haunting than any ghost or serial killer.
31:55I'd uncovered a conspiracy that went to the very highest levels of our government.
32:01The government files Abigail found detailed classified plans and methods for human experimentation.
32:09What type of experimentation?
32:10Are you familiar with MKUltra?
32:13Of course.
32:13It was a top secret CIA program in the 50s and 60s using experimental drugs to aid in interrogation techniques.
32:20It was straight up mind control.
32:21I mean, they used high doses of psychoactive drugs like LSD, sodium pentothal, which is also known as a truth serum.
32:28The program ran from 1953 to 1973 before it was shut down following a public outcry.
32:35I mean, all the facilities were closed.
32:37There's no evidence the CIA ever used Westview as a base of operations.
32:41So what were top secret MKUltra documents doing there?
32:44Good question.
32:46We started digging into the trove of files Abigail had found and one name kept popping up again and again.
32:51Dr. Julius Erickson.
32:54He was one of the psychologists contracted by the CIA to conduct experimental research.
33:00And after MKUltra shut down, he took a new job.
33:03Director of Westview.
33:04Dr. Erickson ran the hospital for 20 years.
33:07And from the notes we uncovered, it seems clear he continued his own research in private,
33:12trying to use the psychological breakthroughs from MKUltra to further his own research into
33:17mind-altering drugs.
33:18I assume he used those drugs on Westview patients?
33:20Yeah, at first.
33:22But then he started using them on himself, believing he had found the key to improving his own mind.
33:26He hadn't.
33:27And in a last moment of lucidity, Erickson decided to destroy his research.
33:32He dumped the chemicals outside the building where they started to slowly seep into the structure.
33:36And some of the drugs were potent enough to be absorbed simply by touch, even when diluted.
33:41Erickson committed himself to Westview shortly after, never said another word.
33:46He died in 2020.
33:48Did the CIA ever find out what Erickson was doing?
33:50Not that we've found, but it's not like the agency ever returns our phone calls.
33:57Anyone who studied the past knows that the CIA has a history of violent cover-ups.
34:02MKUltra might have become public, but that doesn't mean there still aren't secrets to protect.
34:07By uncovering Dr. Erickson's connection to Westview and discovering Bob's body, I've put myself in danger.
34:15But the best way to protect yourself is with the truth.
34:18Which brings me to Carolyn McGrath.
34:21Turns out Carolyn is the one who hired Bob to go to Westview.
34:25And I need to find out why, before it's too late.
34:27I think her-
34:38What the hell?
34:41We got lucky.
34:42A woman in the neighborhood heard a commotion and filmed Abigail's abduction.
34:47Thanks to them, we were able to track the vehicle.
34:49Where'd it go?
34:49Back to where it all began.
34:52Westview.
34:59Police!
34:59Drop the weapon.
35:00On the ground.
35:02Hands on your head.
35:03Turn around.
35:04Walk towards my partner.
35:06Hands behind your back.
35:08You okay?
35:08Yeah, totally fine.
35:10Carl's going through it though.
35:12I never really even knew my mother.
35:14Does anyone?
35:14Really?
35:15What is going on here?
35:17Well, uh, my friend Carl here was being pressured into killing me.
35:21Um, but then we got to talking, right?
35:22Yeah, and I couldn't.
35:24Yeah.
35:24Okay, but pressured by who?
35:26Um, my boss.
35:28Meg Davidson.
35:30Who?
35:30The current director at Westview Psychiatric.
35:36But she started working at the hospital long after Julius Erickson went
35:39mad and she has no links to the CIA, so why would she try to kill Abigail?
35:43To cover up Bob's murder.
35:45And who killed Bob?
35:46Can you introduce yourself?
35:48Oh, yes.
35:49My name is Caroline McGrath.
35:51You hired my friend, Bob Medina, because you had questions.
35:55About your friend Winona's treatment at Westview, right?
35:57Yes.
35:58Of course, everyone thought I was just being paranoid, but Bob didn't.
36:02And it got him killed.
36:03You work with Winona Baker, right?
36:05Yes, um, she was hospitalized with depression by her daughter.
36:10Seemed like therapy and some medication would help her,
36:14but Winona got worse fast.
36:17Lost track of reality.
36:18She exhibited signs of psychosis, paranoia, dissociation.
36:24By that point, I wondered whether a transfer to a new facility might be in her best interest.
36:28And then?
36:29Uh, the director informed me that Winona's family had gotten a judge to order a conservatorship,
36:35and they wanted her to stay for good.
36:38You were suspicious.
36:39Winona always had her funks, but she wasn't crazy.
36:42Until that place made her lose her mind.
36:45And that proved to be the break you needed.
36:47Yeah, when we started looking into it, it turned out a significant number of Westview patients were
36:53wealthy, and a high percentage were ordered into conservatorship.
36:57You know, uh, conservatorship is extremely difficult to get for an adult.
37:01Because of the potential, uh, abuse of power.
37:03It gives one party legal authority over certain aspects of another person's life,
37:07including managing all of their assets.
37:09It's like what happened to Britney Spears.
37:11Manage their assets.
37:13Rich persons speak for controlling someone else's money.
37:15Yes.
37:17And money makes people do crazy things.
37:19Like, um, poison their family members' water with a chemical cocktail so potent
37:25it has the potential to permanently damage the human psyche?
37:30Yeah.
37:32Just like that.
37:33I was supposed to inherit, but, um, after my break with reality, my dad cut me off,
37:41and, uh, my brother got everything.
37:42What's everything?
37:43Oh, about, um, 12 million dollars.
37:46Must have been hard going from that kind of wealth to nannying.
37:49Oh, no.
37:50No, it was a blessing.
37:51I, I really think that helping children was my calling.
37:56Once we found the pattern, we started interviewing some of the families.
38:00A little pressure, and they cracked.
38:01And with the search warrant, we found the gun used to kill Bob Bedina
38:05and director of Davidson's Closet.
38:07She'd been running her scam for a decade.
38:09Turns out she was Dr. Erickson's therapist in the last years of his life.
38:14He must have told her about his experiments.
38:16In exploring his old lab, she'd uncovered the tainted water, realized its potential.
38:22Yeah, we had her on murder, fraud, elder abuse, kidnapping, attempted murder, poisoning.
38:29Miss Davidson, would you like to make a comment?
38:32You know, this might be your last chance to tell your side of the story.
38:37Look at all these people watching.
38:38The state ordered a full investigation into every conservatorship Westview ordered.
38:44God willing, the victims will get their rights and assets back.
38:47And Westview itself has been closed for good.
38:49But the lawsuits are just starting, not to mention the rest of the legal ramifications.
38:54I'm, I'm glad this is getting so much attention.
38:57These poor, abused patients can finally get justice.
39:01Do you think it could impact your case at all?
39:03Certainly gives my defense a fresh coat of paint.
39:06The jury won't listen to reason because I am innocent.
39:11Perhaps they will listen to the tragic story of a simple tradesman
39:15falling victim to a poisoned environment that chemically affected my psyche.
39:22And what did that environment make you do?
39:25Who can say? Certainly not me. I, I wasn't in my right mind.
39:30Yeah, the, um, the poisoned water was only found in the abandoned psych ward.
39:36No vending machines left to fill there, right?
39:38At this point, I must confess, I did go inside that abandoned ward back when I was a kid.
39:46My father's warnings, they didn't scare me away. They only made me more desperate to see
39:50that whatever lurked inside. Must have infected me.
40:02Glasser's claiming that the presence of those drugs would absolve him of any
40:06alleged responsibility for the murders. There is no way that defense is going to work.
40:10We have Glasser dead to rights. Are you sure about that?
40:15Yeah.
40:20Hey, hey, sorry. I know we talked about me not recording interviews in here,
40:33but Raj mentioned he needed a space with great acoustics. And, um, and you know,
40:38we're act, we're shutting it down. We're shutting it down. Shut it, shut it down. Shutting it down. Copy.
40:44Hi, sorry. She said this was cool. You're gonna help me get these in the van.
40:47Yeah, I'll be right there. Next time, handcuffs and squad cars. Yeah, totally understandable.
40:57Thanks again for going exclusive with me. Seriously, this talk is going to be huge.
41:02I hope so. You deserve something good after what you've been through. How are you holding up?
41:06Oh, I'm fine. I'm happy to have something to focus on. When I've been through some scary times,
41:12I have been guilty of using my work as my therapy. But if there's, uh, is there ever a time you need
41:18someone to talk to? Thank you, really. But I already have a great therapist. One with zero history at
41:24Westview. Excellent. You know, there's still something I can't figure out. How did you know
41:32that the PI was working for Caroline McGrath? Oh, Bob told me while we were stuck in the lab.
41:38He got chatty once he opened up. I have that effect on people.
41:44We had to come back because our job isn't finished. This hospital has housed killers,
41:48evil experiments, and perhaps the supernatural. Our job as investigators is to collect and present
41:54questions and possibilities. Interpretation, however, solely belongs with you. Did Westview really?
42:01Charlie. Should we check that out? I might be good. You know what? Me too.
42:26We'll see you next time.
42:51Damn it.
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