- 6/20/2025
Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Bihar has sparked a political controversy over Dr BR Ambedkar's legacy.
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00:00Good evening and welcome to The Point. I'm Pooja Shali.
00:04This evening we are going to tell you about Prime Minister Modi's visit to Bihar.
00:08It is, after all, eventually what happens ahead of Bihar elections.
00:12Caste politics has surfaced and how.
00:14We'll be taking you through all the details.
00:17We have a special debate coming up.
00:18First, the headline.
00:23Israel-Iran continue to fire a barrage of missiles.
00:27Netanyahu says toppling Iran regime is not the main goal.
00:30Israeli Prime Minister, Defence Minister met once and except, according to reports surfacing.
00:36Why would Israeli administration meet American administration Abdul-Champson?
00:45Prime Minister Modi's big attack on Lalu Prasad-Yadav over Ambedkar says,
00:50Lalu Prasad-Yadav keeps Ambedkar near his feet.
00:53I keep him in my heart.
00:54R.J.D. Supremohit's back says,
00:56Now it's raining jumlahs and lies in Bihar as a jibe to the BJP.
01:02R.J.D. and Congress
01:04Big scoop in the Air India crash investigation.
01:20A parliamentary panel is questioning the Accident Bureau's low funding.
01:23The panel had red flagged how it's just about 20 crore rupees budget
01:28at such an important moment with regard to security safety of the aviation sector.
01:38Was Congress MP Shashi Tharoor snubbed?
01:41Kerala Congress clarifies on the invitation not sent to Shashi Tharoor.
01:45Says Tharoor is in the list of star campaigners.
01:48Tharoor has claimed he was not invited by the Bronx.
01:51But what's happening with the infighting in the Congress with the housing quota?
02:00It's an open war now.
02:01Congress MLA warns Mantri's PA says we'll expose the corruption.
02:06Renatka government cabinet had decided to hike 5% more in minority housing quota.
02:12Pakistan's deputy PM Ishaq Dar does it again.
02:20This time it's a big admission from Pakistan on Operation Sindhu damage.
02:25Ishaq Dar admits that India did hit key bases like Noor Khan.
02:29Says India caught Pakistan off guard.
02:31So let's begin.
02:46Prime Minister Narendra Modi was in Bihar.
02:48The state that is expecting elections in the next few months
02:51and a very crucial state assembly polls
02:53with regard to how the larger politics of this country really works.
02:57And when it's Prime Minister Modi on the ground,
02:59of course there are some strong headlines and quotes that come.
03:02One that stood out was in reference to Ambedkar, Lalu Prasad Yadav, RJD
03:09and how the Dalit vote or Ambedkar activism is really not appreciated
03:14by even the Mahagat Bandhan.
03:17I want you to take a look at this report.
03:19Then we begin our discussion.
03:20The cold season in Bihar is almost upon us.
03:40And in his fourth visit to the state,
03:42the Prime Minister launched a scathing attack in the RGD Congress alliance.
03:46His focus, the controversy over a viral video from Lalu's birthday celebration
03:52which showed a party supporter allegedly placing Dr. Ambedkar's portrait near Lalu's feet.
03:59Slamming Rashtia Janata Dal patriarch, Lalu Prasad Yadav for insulting Baba Sahib,
04:04Prime Minister Narendra Modi claimed that the people of Bihar
04:07will never forgive the party and its leaders.
04:10Slamming Rashtia Janata Dalitsch
04:40Prime Minister Modi also accused the opposition of plunging Bihar
04:52into an era of jungle Raj, marked by lawlessness, poverty and mass migration
04:58and warned voters against bringing back parties symbolized by the lantern,
05:03the RGD and Punjab, the Congress.
05:05Slamming Rashtia Janata Dalitsch
05:35Prasad Yadav was made by Prasad Yadav.
05:37Slamming Rashtia Janata Dalitsch
05:50Lalu Yadav hit back at Modi, alleging that there is a hailstorm of lies and illusions hitting Bihar.
05:57And the leader of opposition Tejeshvi Yadav dismissed Prime Minister's visit as a poll gimmick,
06:02claiming that the Prime Minister and his ministers are coming to Bihar only because elections are around.
06:07The Bihar leader of opposition even claimed that the Prime Minister was reading his speech from a teleprompter
06:14and mocked him for not being able to speak without it.
06:17Congress MP Jairam Ramesh also criticized the NDA government in the state.
06:47saying it has nearly given up on implementing the proposed 65% reservation for SCs, STs, OVCs and EBCs.
06:57First demand is bring the 65% law in the ninth schedule.
07:03With just months left for the polls, only time will tell if people will choose Prime Minister Modi's Bihar's pitch
07:10or will anti-incumbency hurt the NDA?
07:14Bureau Report, India Today.
07:15Right, so I now introduce our panelists on To The Point.
07:22Shahzad Poonawala, national spokesperson from the BJP, joins me on the discussion.
07:26Also from the Congress Party, which is basically part of the Mahagat Bandhan.
07:30Mahima Singh, national spokesperson of the Congress, also with us.
07:33Political strategist Amitabh Tiwari, for the numbers, the understanding, the perspective of what really this statement means.
07:39And senior journalist, political analyst, Rashid Kidwai also joins us.
07:44Shahzad, let me begin with you.
07:46Because till now, what I had noticed was for the BJP, for the NDA,
07:50it was the Vikas and the welfare schemes that was the high point, the focus.
07:54Why would then Prime Minister Modi pick on this issue of even Ambedkar?
07:58But is it possibly because even the BJP realizes when it comes to Bihar elections,
08:02caste politics will have to be tapped into?
08:06Pooja, everything in our country ends and begins with our Samvidhan.
08:10And if you would remember, 25th of June is going to be the 50th anniversary of Samvidhan Hatya Divas
08:16when Congress strangulated Baba Sahib's Samvidhan, made unbearable changes to it.
08:21And in fact, even put Laluji and Mulayam Ji in jail and Laluji named his daughter Misa after that.
08:26But see, Daliton ka apmaan, Baba Sahib ka apmaan is Congress, RJD and India Alliance ki pachan.
08:31The picture, the chitra of Laluji putting Babaritkar Ji next to his feet
08:35is actually charitra of RJD and Congress.
08:38Because they keep Beta Sahab above Baba Sahab.
08:40They keep Samantwadi, feudal soch above Samvidhanwadi soch.
08:44They keep Jangal Raj above Samvidhan Raj.
08:46Let me give you two or three examples.
08:47Baba Sahib, Ambedkar Ji wanted that everything should be on merit
08:51and the reservation should be for backward classes, not on religious basis.
08:55RJD supports Muslim reservation.
08:57They have, in fact, advocated for it.
09:00Ambedkar Ji wanted that 370 should not be applied in Jammu Kashmir
09:03because Valmi ki Samaj never got their rights.
09:05Women did not get their rights.
09:06When we removed 370 from Jammu Kashmir, Congress and RJD both have opposed.
09:10And today, Congress's silence on this issue
09:12is because the same way the picture was next to feet of Laluji,
09:16the picture of Ambedkar Ji was next to feet of Rahul Ji also.
09:18And see, Rahul Ji's family DNA has been about insulting Ambedkar Ji,
09:22defeating him twice elections,
09:24not giving him the Bharat Ratna on time,
09:27ensuring that he resigns from the cabinet,
09:29the manner in which he was humiliated,
09:31he has written in his book also.
09:33And then they have gone and tried to even give the reservation on religious basis.
09:37Just know your previous story was in Karnataka.
09:39They are giving the reservation in housing and in civil contracts on religion basis.
09:43This is completely antithetical to the idea of Ambedkar.
09:46If it is not,
09:47I ask three simple questions of Mahima Ji.
09:49Mahima Ji, do you support removal of 370 by which the constitution of Ambedkar
09:53was applied in Jammu Kashmir?
09:55Secondly,
09:55do you support the Muslim reservation given by you in Telangala and Karnataka?
09:59And thirdly,
10:00your government and UPI had said that he would give 9% quota.
10:04Let's stay with Bihar.
10:05If you have a question on Bihar to Mahima,
10:07I'll take that and we'll ask that.
10:08Go ahead.
10:09I will give you last question from Bihar.
10:10Chalo, no problem.
10:11In Bihar,
10:12we have conducted the caste survey
10:13and we are the ones who have also said
10:15we will do caste census across the country.
10:17But in Karnataka,
10:18after 10 years,
10:19165 crores later,
10:21after Shiv Kumar opposing the caste survey,
10:23they are going for re-survey
10:25in which the Muslim population has been shown more.
10:27So they are always trying to snatch the rights of SCST OBC
10:30and give it to a particular vote bank.
10:32Okay, give it to a particular vote bank.
10:34A lot of symbolism mentioned there by Shahzad Poonawalla.
10:37Mahima,
10:37adding to that,
10:38my question to you would be,
10:39when you look at this image,
10:40I understand it comes from the RJD,
10:41not the Congress,
10:42but it's an alliance.
10:44Isn't it bad optics
10:45as much for your party and for your alliance?
10:48Don't you also realize that
10:49this could be an insult to a larger vote group
10:52and that vote group
10:53could go toward the NDA?
10:58Jai Hind,
10:59Puja,
10:59you are holding a very critical debate this evening
11:02and I would do
11:04as much in my capability as possible
11:07justice to this debate
11:09by citing one paragraph
11:11from Baba Sahab's last speech
11:14in the Constituent Assembly
11:15on 25th November 1949.
11:19Allow me to read this out
11:20and I am reading it out verbatim
11:22and please pay attention.
11:24Your viewers would benefit from this.
11:26The task of the drafting committee
11:28would have been a very difficult one
11:30if this Constituent Assembly
11:31has been merely a motley crowd,
11:34a tessellated pavement without cement,
11:37a black stone here
11:38and a white stone there,
11:39is which each member of each group
11:42was a law unto itself.
11:43There would have been nothing but chaos.
11:46Now pay attention.
11:47He goes on to say
11:48this possibility of chaos
11:50was reduced to nil
11:52by the existence of the Congress Party
11:55inside the Assembly
11:57which brought into its proceeding
11:58a sense of order and discipline.
12:01It is because of the discipline
12:02of the Congress Party
12:03that the drafting committee
12:05was able to pilot the Constitution
12:07in the Assembly
12:08with the sure knowledge
12:09as to the fate of each article
12:11and each amendment.
12:13The Congress Party
12:14is therefore entitled
12:15to all the credit
12:17for the smooth sailing
12:18of the draft Constitution
12:20in the Assembly.
12:21How is that connected to this issue?
12:23Yes, yes.
12:24Let me come to it, Pooja.
12:26So here is the
12:27Bharatiya Janata Party
12:28who burnt effigies of Baba Sahab
12:31that compelled,
12:32whose ancestors
12:33compelled Baba Sahab
12:35to resign
12:36when they opposed
12:37the Hindu Code Bill
12:38in the Constitution.
12:39Here is the
12:40Bharatiya Janata Party
12:41whose founder
12:42Shama Prasad Mukherjee
12:43actually opposed
12:45the first amendment
12:47to the Constitution
12:49after the report
12:51was brought in the Constitution
12:52in 1951.
12:55And that amendment
12:57was very critical, Pooja.
12:58That amendment
12:59was to ensure
13:00the rights of the OBCs
13:02because after
13:03Kaka Sahab
13:03Kalilkar Commission report
13:05when it was opposed
13:06by the very President
13:07Kaka Sahab
13:08Chairperson of that committee
13:10Kaka Sahab, Kalilkar.
13:11You haven't answered
13:12my question, Mahima.
13:13Does this incident
13:14cause a concern
13:16for your party too?
13:17Pooja,
13:18no, no.
13:19You see,
13:20it is not,
13:21the bad optics
13:21is the Bharatiya Janata Party
13:23ringing hollow
13:24in its words
13:25when it takes
13:26Baba Sahab's name.
13:28Because these are
13:28the very people
13:29who have always
13:30acted against Dalits
13:31who are continuing.
13:32I have two questions
13:33of the BJP, okay?
13:35Now, these are
13:35very straightforward questions.
13:36It has been
13:37an NDA rule
13:38in the state of Bihar
13:39for the last 11 years.
13:41I want to ask them,
13:42have they implemented
13:43the Article 15.5
13:45which was brought in
13:46by the Congress Party
13:47ensuring reservation
13:48for SCs, STs, OBCs
13:50in the private institutions?
13:52Have they blown away
13:53the 50% cap
13:55on reservations
13:56which we are doing?
13:57And by the way,
13:59the BJP spokesperson
13:59was asking about
14:00Muslim reservations.
14:01I want to turn the table
14:03and ask him
14:04about the state
14:05of Andhra Pradesh
14:06where there is
14:08a provision of
14:084% reservation
14:09for Muslims
14:10which the BJP
14:11has been very cleverly
14:13hiding away from.
14:14Let him come clean on that.
14:15Shahzad, go ahead.
14:16Go ahead, answer.
14:17And let's try
14:18and keep it limited
14:19to Bihar
14:20because that should be
14:20the focus.
14:21I understand that
14:22other states.
14:22Well, but Shahzad, go ahead.
14:24Pooja, unfortunately,
14:25since Mahima has
14:26enlarged the scope
14:27of the debate,
14:28it would be me
14:29running away
14:30from my responsibility
14:31if I don't fact-check her.
14:32First fact-check.
14:32Quick one, then also India.
14:34Yeah.
14:35First fact-check,
14:35the first amendment
14:36to the constitution
14:37was about curbing
14:38of the free speech
14:39by which some provisions
14:41were added
14:41that when free speech
14:42could be curbed.
14:43So that was opposed
14:44by Dr. Shama Prasad Mukherjee.
14:46So it's not about
14:47right of OBCs.
14:48In fact, Nehruji
14:49in 1960 had written
14:50that he wants to
14:50end reservation
14:51as it quote-unquote
14:52creates second-class citizens.
14:54No BJP person
14:55was burning the effigy
14:56of Baba Sahib
14:57because at that time
14:58there was no BJP.
14:59But there is a letter
15:00of Nehruji
15:00to Amrita Kaur.
15:02Please madam,
15:02I did not interrupt you.
15:03Let's have a civil debate.
15:05There is a letter
15:05of Nehruji
15:06on the resignation
15:07of Ambedkar Ji.
15:08He tells Amrita Kaur Ji
15:09that it is very good
15:11he has resigned
15:12because he was
15:12constantly insulting
15:13the Congress Party
15:15and that even
15:15his patriotism
15:16was doubted by Nehruji.
15:17This is a fact.
15:18Bharat Ratna
15:19was given during
15:19the lifetime of Nehruji,
15:21during the lifetime
15:21of Indira Ji
15:22but it was denied
15:23for 40 years
15:24to Ambedkar Ji.
15:25It was given
15:25during the BP Singh government
15:26which was supported
15:27by the BJP
15:28and lastly
15:29madam has asked me
15:29about the implementation
15:30of SCST reservation
15:31in private sector.
15:32Madam,
15:33AMU which was
15:33a public sector
15:34college or university
15:35had SCST reservation
15:37you have ended that
15:38and now the matter
15:40has been argued
15:40against it
15:41by this government
15:42in Supreme Court.
15:43Are you for
15:44SCST reservation
15:45in AMU?
15:46Okay.
15:46Please tell me that.
15:47Okay.
15:47Mahima,
15:48one,
15:48again the issue
15:49of reservations
15:49coming in
15:50but I have to ask you
15:51because I want to keep it
15:52limited to this issue.
15:53Mahima,
15:53here's my question.
15:54Why I'm asking this is
15:56that your party
15:57and the alliance
15:58is so strong
15:59as you claim
16:00on the rights
16:02of the backward groups
16:03the communities
16:03the Dalits especially
16:04and then when this
16:06incident happens
16:07there are Ambedkar
16:08supporters watching it
16:09Dalits are watching
16:10these images right now
16:11and they're also wondering
16:12is all the posturing
16:14by the RJD
16:15and the alliance
16:16only on face value
16:17that eventually
16:18Ambedkar ki jab image
16:20saamne aati hai
16:21Lalu Prasad Yadav
16:21can't keep
16:22his even feet down.
16:24Pooja,
16:27first of all
16:27my last question
16:28to the BJP
16:29spokesperson
16:29which he has
16:30conveniently evaded
16:31I hope he will answer
16:32in the course
16:33of the debate
16:33was about
16:34Andhra Pradesh
16:35Muslim reservation
16:364% Muslim reservation
16:37which Andhra Pradesh
16:39guaranteed in the manifesto
16:40by the way
16:40in the last
16:41General Assembly
16:42elections
16:42and the BJP
16:45has not come clean
16:46on that.
16:46Now about Bihar
16:48and about
16:48the scenario
16:49that you're asking
16:50me about Pooja
16:51Yes
16:51You see
16:52here is a party
16:53now the home minister
16:55goes on to say
16:56on the floor
16:56of the house
16:57that he has made
16:58fashion
16:58Ambedkar
16:59Ambedkar
17:00Ambedkar
17:00is
17:01would he now
17:02say the same
17:03thing about
17:03the prime minister
17:04of our country
17:05because that is
17:06what he is doing
17:07his entire rally
17:07during his 50th
17:09visit to the state
17:11by the way
17:1120 visits
17:13out of which
17:13were during
17:14the last assembly
17:15election
17:15is all about
17:17Ambedkar
17:17and why
17:18because
17:18there is a
17:20skewed
17:20perspective there
17:21I think what
17:22the BJP
17:22needs to get
17:23is a better
17:24perspective
17:24what your
17:25channel
17:25responsibility
17:26needs to do
17:28is give a
17:28better perspective
17:29to your viewers
17:30the questions
17:31I have asked
17:31the BJP
17:32spokesperson
17:32has failed
17:33to answer
17:33rather he has
17:34turned the table
17:35and he is
17:35asking me a
17:36question about
17:37AMU
17:37he is not
17:38answering
17:38why have
17:39they not
17:40implemented
17:4015-5
17:42it is only
17:42a question
17:43of political
17:43intent
17:44why have
17:44they not
17:45implemented
17:45it in
17:46the state
17:46of Bihar
17:47because
17:47party
17:48and their
17:48ancestors
17:49and by the
17:50way
17:50Mahima and
17:51Shahzad
17:52stay on
17:52with me
17:52so these
17:53are
17:53political
17:56views
17:56but I
17:56need to
17:57take
17:57other
17:58panelists
17:58as well
17:59Amitabh Diwari
17:59I come
18:00to you
18:00let's talk
18:00about how
18:01precisely
18:01the BJP
18:03has picked
18:03on the
18:05Dalit vote
18:05issue in
18:06Bihar
18:06and why
18:07do you
18:07think that
18:08has happened
18:08it is
18:08a very
18:09crucial
18:10one
18:10there is
18:10a good
18:11chunk
18:1130%
18:12in over
18:12population
18:13why do
18:14you think
18:14that now
18:16matters
18:16when it
18:17comes to
18:17Bihar
18:17elections
18:18let's
18:18talk
18:18numbers
18:18so essentially
18:21the SC
18:21population
18:22or the
18:22Dalit
18:22population
18:23is around
18:2320%
18:24as per
18:25the latest
18:26caste
18:26census
18:27or survey
18:28out of which
18:29Mahadalits
18:29account for
18:3015%
18:31and Paswans
18:32which largely
18:33cater to
18:34the Ram
18:35Vilas
18:35Paswans
18:35or Chirag
18:36Paswans
18:36parties
18:37around 5%
18:38now unlike
18:40UP where the
18:41SC vote
18:41is largely
18:43with regional
18:43parties like
18:44the BSP
18:45Jatavs and
18:46non-Jatavs
18:46also now with
18:47the Samajwadi
18:48party here
18:49the Mahadalits
18:50have historically
18:51backed the
18:52NDA or
18:52the JDU
18:53because
18:54Nitish Kumar
18:54created the
18:55Mahadalit
18:56category
18:56and the
18:58Paswan
18:59community
18:59is with
19:00the Ram
19:01Vilas
19:01Paswans
19:02party or
19:02Chirag
19:02Paswans
19:03party
19:03now this
19:04vote block
19:05is very
19:05important
19:06you have to
19:07see it in
19:07the context
19:08of last
19:08elections of
19:102020
19:10both the
19:11alliances were
19:12tied at
19:1237%
19:13of course
19:14LGP was
19:14contesting
19:15separately
19:15with 5-6%
19:17vote share
19:18now that
19:19the Mahagadbandan
19:19has to win
19:20it needs
19:21at least
19:22one additional
19:23vote block
19:24apart from
19:24the MY
19:25core vote
19:25block
19:26which is
19:26either the
19:26EBCs
19:27or the
19:28large portion
19:29of the
19:30SC community
19:30and for
19:31the NDA
19:32to win
19:32or retain
19:33power
19:34it needs
19:34to hold
19:35on to
19:35its vote
19:36bank
19:36or consolidate
19:37its position
19:38amongst
19:38the Mahadalits
19:39and the
19:40Dalits
19:40that's why
19:41we see a
19:41battle of
19:42or a war
19:42of words
19:43between
19:43these two
19:44alliances
19:44previously
19:46the opposition
19:46targeted
19:47Amit Shah
19:47for allegedly
19:48demeaning
19:51Amit Karji
19:53in one of
19:54the parliament
19:54speeches
19:55and now
19:56it is the
19:56turn of
19:56the NDA
19:57perhaps
19:58to hit
19:58back
19:58very interesting
20:00Rashid Kidwai
20:00you've been
20:01tracking Bihar
20:02elections
20:02and we all
20:03know that
20:03caste cannot
20:04really be
20:05separated
20:05when it
20:05comes to
20:06Bihar
20:06politics
20:07Bihar
20:07elections
20:07but at
20:08this juncture
20:08how do
20:09you look
20:09at the
20:09strategy
20:10of the
20:10BJP
20:11it's not
20:11as much
20:11Hindutwa
20:12but when
20:13Prime Minister
20:13Modi
20:13raises
20:14this pitch
20:15there is
20:15clearly
20:16a strategy
20:16here
20:16what are
20:17you picking
20:17up of
20:17how and
20:18why the
20:19BJP
20:19has jumped
20:20on that
20:21image
20:21making it
20:22the battle
20:22cry
20:22so
20:24Pooja
20:24Bihar
20:25is a
20:26first
20:26kind of
20:27lab
20:27or a
20:27test
20:28of this
20:28you know
20:29caste
20:29survey
20:30and caste
20:30census
20:31that we
20:31are talking
20:32about
20:32so the
20:33outcome
20:33is going
20:33to be
20:34very
20:34interesting
20:34people
20:35do not
20:35know
20:35and people
20:36in the
20:36sense
20:36the key
20:37political
20:37players
20:37also
20:38they are
20:38not
20:39very
20:39sure
20:39footed
20:39about
20:40the
20:40outcome
20:40and
20:41therefore
20:41all this
20:41posturing
20:42is happening
20:42which I
20:43was watching
20:43very attentively
20:44the thing
20:45that you
20:45were showing
20:46the visual
20:46in visual
20:47Mr. Lalu
20:48Yadav
20:48is not
20:49in that
20:50sense
20:50you know
20:50at fault
20:51here is
20:52a kind
20:52of
20:52activist
20:53supporter
20:54who is
20:55taking this
20:55picture
20:55and showing
20:56it
20:56and we
20:57know
20:57Lalu
20:58has been
20:58ailing
20:59and he's
20:59a old
20:59man
20:59he may
21:00have
21:00acted
21:01swiftly
21:02and got
21:02done that
21:04but it's
21:05not
21:05as such
21:06he is
21:06at fault
21:07but Prime
21:08Minister's
21:08stake
21:09is very
21:09I mean
21:09reputation
21:10is very
21:10high
21:11whatever
21:12he says
21:13goes
21:13down
21:14and therefore
21:15Prime Minister
21:15is making
21:16a conscious
21:16attempt
21:17as a
21:17BGP
21:18activist
21:19as a
21:20BGP
21:20campaigner
21:21in Bihar
21:21to make
21:22an impact
21:22whether this
21:23will happen
21:24and as Amitabh
21:24was saying
21:25see there is
21:26a counter
21:26argument
21:26one can
21:27always bring
21:27a slip of
21:28tongue
21:28Do you think
21:29this can
21:29backfire
21:30for the
21:31Mahagatbandhan
21:31for the
21:32RGD
21:32I think
21:33political
21:33parties are
21:34going through
21:34the motions
21:35in Bihar
21:36every vote
21:37is you know
21:38sort of
21:38divided
21:39and subdivided
21:39nothing is
21:40simple in
21:41Bihar
21:41that a
21:42visual
21:42you know
21:4330 second
21:43visual of
21:44Lalu Prasad
21:44you know
21:46disrespecting
21:46is going to
21:47alter the
21:48political
21:48you know
21:49behavior
21:49of voting
21:49pattern
21:50but do you
21:51agree that
21:51BJ that
21:52even for the
21:52BJP or
21:53for all
21:54parties right
21:54now
21:54reservation
21:55caste issues
21:56will take
21:57precedence
21:57right now
21:58that's a
21:58litmus
21:59test
21:59because
21:59see political
22:01players are
22:02very
22:02you see
22:03the voter
22:03is very
22:04short-footed
22:04they want
22:05to know
22:05what will
22:06it lead
22:07to
22:07if there
22:07is a caste
22:07census
22:08will it
22:08lead to
22:09greater
22:10reservation
22:10maybe
22:1070%
22:1180%
22:12reservation
22:12all these
22:14things are
22:14very important
22:15and that is
22:16where the
22:16political
22:16party
22:17will have
22:17to do
22:17just by
22:18doing a
22:18survey
22:18or a
22:19census
22:19it's not
22:20going to
22:20solve
22:20what are
22:21you showing
22:22what is
22:22that image
22:23you were
22:23showing it
22:23earlier as
22:24well why
22:24are you
22:25showing it
22:25right now
22:25again in
22:26the debate
22:26because my
22:28dear friend
22:29and very
22:30senior
22:30journalist
22:30Rashid ji
22:31said that
22:31Lalu ji
22:32is ailing
22:32but the
22:33similar thing
22:33was done
22:34by Rahul
22:34ji also
22:35and Rashid
22:35ji I have
22:36also spoken
22:36about the
22:37mindset
22:37who denied
22:38the Bharat
22:39Ratna
22:39we don't
22:39want to get
22:40into that
22:40that was
22:40not answered
22:41who was
22:42the one
22:42who is
22:43saying that
22:43370
22:44should not
22:44be removed
22:44denying
22:45the
22:45implementation
22:46of Baba
22:46Saheb's
22:47constitution
22:47in Jammu
22:48Kashmir
22:48on that
22:49no stand
22:49was taken
22:49on Muslim
22:50reservation
22:50no stand
22:51was taken
22:51now Mahima
22:52ji I have
22:53fact checked
22:53you were
22:53wrong about
22:54the first
22:54amendment
22:54I hope
22:55you fact
22:55checked
22:56yourself
22:56secondly
22:57she was
22:57talking
22:57about
22:57the
22:58Andhra Pradesh
22:58case
22:58and you
22:59can
22:59please
23:00go and
23:00check it
23:01right now
23:01in Andhra Pradesh
23:02when the YSR
23:03government was
23:04there and it
23:05was undivided
23:05Andhra Pradesh
23:06they bought
23:07Muslim reservation
23:07twice
23:08High court
23:08Supreme court
23:09rejected it
23:10thereafter
23:10it went
23:11back to
23:11the backward
23:12class commission
23:13and the
23:13backward
23:18has been
23:18supported
23:18by us
23:19we are
23:19not saying
23:19that if
23:19there's
23:20somebody
23:20who's
23:20backward
23:21as a
23:21class
23:21in any
23:22community
23:22should
23:22not
23:22get
23:23but to
23:23give
23:23entire
23:24Muslim
23:24community
23:25the
23:25reservation
23:25in civil
23:26contracts
23:26entire
23:27Muslim
23:27community
23:28gets
23:28reservation
23:28in the
23:29housing
23:30contracts
23:31that is
23:31illegal
23:32and
23:32unconstitutional
23:33secondly
23:33I want
23:34to ask
23:34very specific
23:34question
23:35madam
23:35has said
23:35that
23:36private
23:36sector
23:36reservation
23:37madam
23:37you had
23:3860-65
23:38years
23:39to do
23:39private
23:39sector
23:39reservation
23:40forget
23:40that
23:40you do
23:41it
23:41in
23:41Karnataka
23:41announce
23:42it
23:42right
23:42now
23:42on
23:43Pooja
23:43show
23:43or
23:44please
23:44tell me
23:4450%
23:45cap
23:45was
23:45put
23:46by
23:46the
23:46Supreme
23:46Court
23:46in
23:47the
23:47Asadi
23:47judgment
23:47why
23:48didn't
23:48you
23:48remove
23:48it
23:48back
23:49then
23:49only
23:49and
23:49put
23:49it
23:49in
23:49the
23:499th
23:50schedule
23:50and
23:50I
23:51will
23:51answer
23:51why
23:52because
23:52in
23:52AMU
23:53which
23:53is
23:53a
23:53public
23:54funded
23:54institution
23:55you
23:55have
23:55grabbed
23:56the
23:56rights
23:57of
23:57SCST
23:57and
23:57OBC
23:58and
23:58given
23:58it
23:59to
23:59the
23:59Muslim
23:59community
24:00you
24:00wanted
24:01to
24:01give
24:019%
24:02sub
24:02quota
24:02from
24:0327%
24:03to
24:04the
24:04Muslim
24:04community
24:05only
24:05on
24:05basis
24:06of
24:06reservation
24:06on
24:07basis
24:07of
24:07religion
24:08this
24:08is
24:08your
24:09mindset
24:09that
24:09you
24:09want
24:10to
24:10grab
24:10the
24:10rights
24:11of
24:11OBC
24:11SCST
24:11Daliton
24:12ka
24:12adhikar
24:13cheen
24:13kar
24:14wo
24:14aap
24:14word
24:14bank
24:14ko
24:14dena
24:15chahte
24:15Rashid
24:16I was
24:16also
24:17reminded
24:17when
24:17you
24:17mentioned
24:18that
24:18it's
24:18a
24:1830 second
24:19video
24:19it
24:19may
24:19not
24:20have
24:20an
24:20impact
24:20it
24:21took
24:21me
24:21back
24:21to
24:212024
24:22remember
24:22Lok Sabha
24:23elections
24:23when
24:23the
24:24Faizabad
24:24candidate
24:25made a
24:25certain
24:26comment
24:26on
24:26Samvidhad
24:27two-third
24:28majority
24:28and
24:29reservations
24:29that led
24:30to a
24:30huge
24:30furor
24:31against
24:32the
24:32BJP
24:33BJP
24:33tried to
24:33say
24:33that
24:34it was
24:34misquoted
24:35misunderstood
24:35we are
24:36not
24:36changing
24:36anything
24:36but
24:37I
24:37remember
24:37in
24:37Bihar
24:37it
24:38made
24:38at
24:39some
24:39level
24:39a
24:39huge
24:40difference
24:40in the
24:40sense
24:40of
24:41narrative
24:41so
24:42for
24:42you
24:42to
24:42say
24:4230
24:42second
24:43video
24:43head
24:44you
24:44think
24:44this
24:44could
24:44actually
24:45be
24:45spreading
24:46like a
24:47wildfire
24:47and
24:47could
24:48make
24:48a
24:48dent
24:49too
24:49because
24:49just
24:50to
24:50say
24:50he's
24:50ailing
24:50and
24:51doesn't
24:51care
24:51I
24:51don't
24:52know
24:52if
24:52it
24:52holds
24:52forward
24:52because
24:53this
24:53could
24:53become
24:53the
24:53BJP's
24:54pitch
24:54absolutely
24:55Pooja
24:56you're
24:56absolutely
24:56right
24:57and
24:57that
24:57is
24:57where
24:57I
24:57think
24:58Prime
24:58minister's
24:59own
24:59trust
25:00factor
25:01his own
25:01credibility
25:01therefore
25:02he's
25:03highlighting
25:04it
25:04because
25:04he's
25:04sensing
25:05his
25:06party's
25:07chances
25:07and
25:08there
25:08is
25:08in
25:09caste
25:10equations
25:10of course
25:11the
25:11Yadavs
25:12are not
25:12seen
25:12to be
25:13very
25:13sort
25:14of
25:14politically
25:14favourable
25:15to Dalits
25:16and
25:16Mahadalits
25:17so
25:17this is
25:17being
25:18played
25:18but
25:18whether
25:18it
25:18will
25:19make
25:19an
25:19impact
25:19or
25:19not
25:20I'm
25:20not
25:21so
25:21sure
25:21Mahima
25:22how do
25:23you
25:23make
25:23of
25:23what
25:23the
25:23BJP
25:24and
25:24the
25:25NDA
25:25basically
25:25is
25:25a
25:25double
25:26engine
25:26sirkar
25:26that's
25:27what
25:27Prime
25:27Minister
25:28Modi
25:28is
25:28banking
25:28on
25:29they
25:29believe
25:29the
25:29development
25:30plank
25:31the
25:31Vikas
25:31plank
25:32has
25:32come
25:32it
25:33has
25:33convinced
25:33now
25:34it
25:34is
25:34important
25:35to
25:35tap
25:35into
25:36that
25:36base
25:37that
25:37has
25:37been
25:38associated
25:38or
25:39has
25:39been
25:39supporting
25:39the
25:40Mahagat
25:40Bandhan
25:41and
25:41if
25:41that
25:41also
25:42goes
25:42what
25:42happens
25:43to
25:43the
25:43future
25:43of
25:43the
25:44Mahagat
25:44Bandhan
25:44and
25:44all
25:45of
25:45that
25:45will
25:45not
25:46be
25:46because
25:46of
25:46the
25:46Congress
25:46party
25:47but
25:47because
25:47of
25:47the
25:48RJD
25:48and
25:48the
25:48Supremo
25:49Pooja
25:52you see
25:53political
25:53intent
25:54is very
25:54instrumental
25:55in
25:56governing
25:56states
25:57and
25:57governing
25:57a
25:57country
25:58and
25:58that
25:59the
25:59BJP
26:00surely
26:00lacks
26:00the
26:01BJP
26:01spokesperson
26:02while
26:03he
26:03boasts
26:04and gloats
26:04that he
26:05has been
26:05fact
26:05checking
26:05he is
26:06not
26:06fact
26:07checking
26:07himself
26:07when
26:08he
26:09counters
26:09me
26:10for
26:10saying
26:10that
26:10his
26:11ancestors
26:11the
26:12ancestors
26:12of
26:12his
26:13party
26:13burnt
26:14effigies
26:15of
26:15Baba
26:15Sahab
26:16just
26:16because
26:17Baba
26:17Sahab
26:17burnt
26:18a
26:18Manus
26:18Nritti
26:19you know
26:19what
26:19the
26:19BJP
26:20and
26:20you know
26:21their
26:21ancestors
26:22and
26:23their
26:23Sanatan
26:24outfits
26:25what they
26:25did
26:25they
26:26actually
26:26on
26:27Baba
26:27Sahab's
26:28Mahaparinirvan
26:29Divas
26:29which is
26:30a venerated
26:30day for
26:31all
26:31you know
26:32all those
26:33who
26:33devote him
26:34all the
26:34devotees
26:35of Baba
26:35Sahab
26:366th of
26:36December
26:37they went
26:38on to
26:38do the
26:38Babri
26:39Masjid
26:39you know
26:40what the
26:40BJP
26:41did
26:41they actually
26:42conducted
26:43a dummy
26:43their
26:44ancestors
26:44again
26:44you know
26:45because
26:45this is
26:46just
26:46an old
26:47wine
26:48in a
26:48new
26:48bottle
26:48their
26:49ancestors
26:49actually
26:50conducted
26:51a dummy
26:52funeral
26:52of Baba
26:53Sahab's
26:54to oppose
26:54the Hindu
26:55court bill
26:55so here
26:56are the
26:57spokespersons
26:57of that
26:58party
26:58of that
26:59thought
27:00process
27:00of that
27:01mentality
27:01coming out
27:02and today
27:03trying to
27:04leverage on
27:04Baba Sahab's
27:05name
27:05no we
27:06would not
27:07allow that
27:07and Baba
27:08Sahab would
27:08have not
27:09allowed that
27:09Baba Sahab
27:10who burnt
27:10the Manusmiti
27:11and Baba
27:12Sahab who
27:13in his
27:13last speech
27:14as I quoted
27:14on your
27:15show earlier
27:16said that the
27:16Congress
27:17party has
27:17every right
27:18to take
27:18that credit
27:19because without
27:20the Congress
27:20party
27:21Shahzad wants
27:21to intervene
27:22Shahzad that
27:22will be the
27:23closing comment
27:23because I
27:23want to go
27:24to Amitabh Tiwari
27:25also after that
27:25look you've
27:26heard a whole
27:26range of
27:27vague statements
27:28my ancestors
27:29my ancestors
27:29actually fought
27:30the idea of
27:31Jinnah and
27:31stayed in India
27:32with Ambedkar
27:33and Nehru
27:33so I don't
27:34know why
27:34you're abusing
27:34my ancestors
27:35having said
27:35that I'm
27:36quoting what
27:36Ambedkar
27:37said about
27:37Congress
27:381948
27:39joining Congress
27:40will be
27:40suicidal
27:41this has been
27:41published in
27:42a newspaper
27:42she has no
27:43facts
27:43she speaks
27:44about
27:44ma'am
27:45ma'am I did
27:46not interrupt
27:46you
27:46ma'am I did
27:47not interrupt
27:48you
27:48she spoke
27:50about
27:51Manuspriti
27:51as far as
27:52I checked
27:52Pooja
27:53nobody runs
27:53this country
27:54on Manuspriti
27:54but there is
27:55a minister
27:56in the Jharkhand
27:56government
27:57Hafizul Hassan
27:58who said
27:58for me
27:59Sharia is
27:59above
27:59Samvidan
28:00in the
28:00work issue
28:01have they
28:01removed that
28:02minister
28:02and have
28:03they taken
28:03a stand
28:04on the
28:04removal of
28:04370
28:05by which
28:05first time
28:06Jammu
28:07Kashmir
28:07has Indian
28:08Ambedkar
28:08constitution
28:09on that
28:10entire debate
28:11has been
28:11over
28:12but she
28:12has not
28:13taken one
28:13stand
28:14that yes
28:14we support
28:15removal of
28:15370
28:15this is
28:16Amitabh Tiwari
28:18because I
28:19understand
28:19you will
28:20have to
28:21allow me
28:21a counter
28:22go ahead
28:23the BJP
28:25spokesperson
28:25has been
28:26peddling lies
28:26on your show
28:27Pooja
28:27you see
28:28today he is
28:28saying
28:29I am glad
28:29to hear
28:30I am glad
28:31to hear
28:31from one
28:32of the BJP
28:32coming out
28:33and say
28:33that we are
28:34not running
28:35this country
28:35on Manuspriti
28:36it is good
28:36to see
28:37these people
28:38who wanted
28:38to change
28:38the constitution
28:39today bowing
28:40down
28:41because
28:41that is
28:44what Baba
28:44Sahab
28:45designed it
28:45to be
28:46and I
28:46have quoted
28:47his speech
28:47from 1949
28:48look at
28:49the staleness
28:50of his
28:50statements
28:51he is
28:51going on
28:51to 1948
28:52I have
28:53quoted
28:53his final
28:54speech
28:54a whole
28:55paragraph
28:55it is out
28:56there on
28:56the internet
28:57people can
28:57go out
28:57and read
28:58it
28:58I will
28:58send
28:59it to
28:59you
28:59for your
28:59convenience
28:59why didn't
29:02it would
29:02have been
29:03chaos
29:03without
29:04the
29:04Congress
29:04why didn't
29:05you give
29:05Bharat
29:05Ratna
29:06to the
29:06to Bihar
29:07Ambedkar
29:07that's
29:08what BJP
29:08is asking
29:08but here
29:09as Ambedkar
29:10is the
29:10big issue
29:11Amitabh Tiwari
29:11let's have
29:12these numbers
29:13and the
29:13data that
29:14we talk
29:14about
29:15with regard
29:15to Bihar
29:16because I'm
29:16sure this
29:16is going
29:17to escalate
29:17further
29:18Tejashvi Adav
29:19has given
29:19out a very
29:20controversial
29:20statement
29:21referring
29:22to the
29:22PM
29:23and the
29:23CM
29:23but here's
29:24what I
29:25want to ask
29:26you
29:26how do
29:27you think
29:27Dalit
29:28Mahadalit
29:29group
29:29or the
29:30backward
29:30groups
29:31as we
29:31call it
29:31or as
29:32they form
29:32an important
29:33factor
29:33in Bihar
29:34politics
29:35will make
29:36a difference
29:37when such
29:37videos
29:38surface
29:38and resurface
29:39by the
29:40BJP
29:40see
29:42it
29:44definitely
29:44puts
29:45brakes
29:45on
29:46Mahagadbandhan
29:47efforts
29:47to
29:48who
29:48the
29:48Dalit
29:49community
29:49which is
29:50a very
29:50important
29:51vote block
29:52and the
29:52MGD
29:52and the
29:53Mahagadbandhan
29:54has been
29:54lagging
29:55amongst
29:55this
29:56vote
29:57back
29:57now it
29:57all depends
29:58upon how
29:58far
29:59the BJP
30:00pushes
30:00this
30:01how long
30:02the BJP
30:02makes it
30:03an electoral
30:04issue
30:04as you
30:04mentioned
30:05about the
30:05constitution
30:05issue
30:06it did
30:07not seem
30:08to be
30:08a very
30:09effective
30:10issue
30:10for the
30:11opposition
30:11in the
30:11beginning
30:12but it
30:12did
30:12play a
30:13role
30:13so we
30:13have to
30:14see how
30:14the BJP
30:15takes it
30:15forward
30:15how
30:16this
30:17video
30:17is spread
30:18amongst
30:19its
30:19whatsapp
30:20groups
30:20and what
30:21sort of
30:21messaging
30:22it is
30:22trying to
30:23give to
30:23the SC
30:24electorate
30:24they could
30:25emerge as
30:26the kingmakers
30:26because
30:27Mahagadbandhan
30:28faces structural
30:30issues
30:31it is not
30:32able to
30:33expand its
30:33vote bank
30:34beyond
30:35MY
30:35so in
30:36this context
30:36the SC
30:37vote is
30:37very very
30:38important
30:38and the
30:39stigma of
30:39jangalraj
30:40somehow has
30:41stuck
30:41the alliance
30:42the party
30:43or the
30:44RGD
30:44has not
30:44been able
30:45to shrug
30:46it off
30:47and also
30:48the symbol
30:48issue
30:48the lantern
30:50somehow
30:51lacks
30:51modernity
30:52so these
30:52three structural
30:53issues
30:54Agadbandhan
30:55faces
30:55and they
30:56will have
30:56to work
30:57on these
30:57issues
30:57to make
30:58it a
30:58very
30:59competitive
30:59election
31:00and win
31:00the election
31:01if they wish
31:01to
31:01without a
31:02doubt
31:02I can
31:02tell you
31:03Bihar
31:03politics
31:03and Bihar
31:04elections
31:04always have
31:06been one
31:06of my
31:06favorite
31:07elections
31:07because
31:07that's
31:08where
31:08it's
31:09about
31:09rhetoric
31:10issues
31:10and
31:11a
31:11very
31:11intelligent
31:12public
31:12also
31:12that
31:13comes
31:13to the
31:13fore
31:14we'll be
31:14tracking
31:14more
31:14on that
31:15I want
31:15to
31:15thank
31:16all
31:16four
31:16of you
31:16for
31:17your
31:17views
31:17and
31:17perspectives
31:18it spread
31:19far and
31:19wide
31:19to other
31:20states
31:20of the
31:20country
31:21as
31:21well
31:21but
31:22that's
31:22perhaps
31:22in many
31:23ways
31:23is
31:23reflective
31:23of what
31:24Bihar
31:24politics
31:25and its
31:25election
31:25results
31:26can
31:26decide
31:26to
31:26a
31:27political
31:27firestorm
31:28has
31:28kicked
31:28off
31:28within
31:28hours
31:29of
31:29the
31:29Karnatka
31:30cabinet
31:30and a
31:31decision
31:31that they
31:32have
31:32taken
31:32to
31:33increase
31:33reservation
31:34for
31:34minorities
31:35in
31:35housing
31:36schemes
31:36a housing
31:37quota
31:37it was
31:3810%
31:38earlier
31:39it's
31:39now
31:39been
31:40hiked
31:40to
31:4015%
31:41so the
31:42opposition
31:42BJP
31:43in the
31:43state
31:43swiftly
31:44jumping
31:44in
31:44they
31:45condemned
31:45the
31:45move
31:45accusing
31:46the
31:46congress
31:46government
31:47of
31:47indulging
31:48in
31:48religious
31:48appeasement
31:49here's
31:49what the
31:50congress
31:50is
31:55there seems
31:57to be
31:58no end
31:58to the
31:58political
31:59nataka
31:59in
32:00Karnataka
32:00the BJP
32:04and the
32:05congress
32:05are at
32:05loggerheads
32:06once again
32:07this time
32:08over the
32:08housing
32:08quota
32:09for
32:09Muslims
32:09an audio
32:12clip
32:12reportedly
32:13between
32:13congress
32:14MLA
32:14BR
32:14Patil
32:15and
32:15Sarfaraz
32:16Khan
32:16who is
32:17the
32:17personal
32:17assistant
32:18to
32:18housing
32:18minister
32:19Zameer
32:19Ahmed
32:20Khan
32:20has
32:20triggered
32:21a
32:21row
32:21in
32:26the
32:26audio
32:26clip
32:27BR
32:27Patil
32:27can
32:28be
32:28reportedly
32:28heard
32:29expressing
32:29anger
32:30that
32:30his
32:31recommendations
32:31for
32:32house
32:32allotments
32:32was
32:33set
32:33aside
32:34in
32:34favor
32:34of
32:34those
32:35who
32:35allegedly
32:35paid
32:36bribes
32:36Patil
32:37alleged
32:38that
32:38bribes
32:38were
32:38taken
32:39in
32:39distribution
32:40of
32:40950
32:40houses
32:41in
32:41his
32:42constituency
32:42of
32:42Alant
32:43he
32:44also
32:44warned
32:44that
32:45if
32:45the
32:45list
32:45of
32:46beneficiaries
32:46would
32:46be
32:46made
32:47public
32:47the
32:48government
32:48would
32:48be
32:48shaken
32:49in
32:53the
32:53clip
32:54Sarfaraz
32:54Khan
32:55is
32:55reportedly
32:55heard
32:56denying
32:56the
32:56charges
32:57saying
32:57that
32:58those
32:58who
32:58receive
32:58bribes
32:59will
32:59be
32:59sent
32:59to
32:59jail
33:00if
33:00details
33:01are
33:01provided
33:01to
33:01him
33:19to
33:19him
33:20to
33:21take
33:22action
33:22immediately
33:22we
33:23have
33:23not
33:23done
33:23like
33:23that
33:23sir
33:23I
33:24mean
33:24if
33:24they
33:24have
33:25done
33:25like
33:25that
33:25we
33:25will
33:25send
33:26them
33:26behind
33:26bar
33:26sir
33:27I
33:28I
33:29don't
33:30I
33:30don't
33:31know
33:32how
33:33I
33:35don't
33:36have
33:36to
33:37go
33:38to
33:39go
33:43the
33:44letter
33:44to
33:44the
33:45government
33:48foreign
34:11foreign
34:18With this proposal, the state government will raise the housing quota for minority communities
34:25from the current 10 percent to 15 percent.
34:29This will be applicable in urban and rural areas and is an effort to rehabilitate increasing
34:34number of homeless individuals.
34:37There are no minorities, all the minorities have been in the urban section.
34:45There were a lot of lapses of 10 percent.
34:48We did not have 10 percent of the requirements or the applications to be given in the rural
34:57places.
34:58But the BJP has called the move unconstitutional, while slamming the Congress over allegations
35:06by MLA Patel.
35:07The BJP has been in the U.S.
35:27The Karnataka housing Kota Rao comes amidst recent controversy over the state government
35:45passing a bill providing 4% reservation for Muslims in public contracts.
35:51The latest expose by the Karnataka Congress's own MLA only shows the widening rift within
35:57the ruling party in the state.
35:59With Nagarjun Dwarkanath in Bengaluru, Bureau Report, India Today.
36:08India Today's editor Nagarjun Dwarkanath joins me for the latest on that.
36:12Nagarjun, you tell me, how is the Congress possibly defending this decision and at a time
36:16because the main question would be why not grant this to the EWS category.
36:22There could be different groups that would be in need of housing.
36:25Why have these minority specific beneficiaries?
36:27Well, the difference of the government is that they are following the protocol set by the
36:32union government.
36:33Since 2019, the union government has said that any beneficial scheme from minorities would
36:38be increased to 15% at maximum.
36:40is what the chief minister has released a press statement also that why blame us for following
36:45the union government norms.
36:46And he's also given a breakup as to why the 10% and 15% cap was increased because population is also
36:53so much and hence the vacancy of houses for the minorities were less and the cap was increased.
36:59They are not taking any quota from the OBC or the ACSD.
37:02They are merely following the norms set by or the protocol set by the union government is what the state government is saying.
37:09And on the other issue of the MLA-BR party for the phone call with Mr. SPA, that has rocked the government and
37:16quite causing an embarrassment to the chief minister and his office and the government because a sitting
37:21senior legislator is blaming about the rampant corruption within the housing ministry.
37:26That, in fact, will be a bigger issue that the Congress party, the government will have to deal with within its own party,
37:32the charges of corruption in the housing that's coming in.
37:34Is there perhaps more deliberation that should be done in it?
37:37Nagarjan, appreciate you joining us for the latest on that.
37:40On that note, I'm wrapping up to the point.
37:42Thank you very much for watching.
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