- 6/16/2025
The episode of To The Point focusses on allegations of nepotism in recent appointments made by the NDA government in Bihar.
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00:00I'm Preeti Chaudhary. Let me quickly take you through the headlines.
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01:58Big nepotism versus meritocracy charge in Bihar.
02:09Leader of opposition in the Bihar Assembly, Tejasvi Yadav, launched a scathing attack on the Nitish Kumar-led government.
02:21Alleging, recent appointments made by the NDA government in Bihar politically motivated.
02:30Reek of son-in-law commission and nepotism.
02:34Alleging that relatives of NDA leaders and some retired bureaucrats were recently given plump postings.
02:41Nepotism charge 1. Son-in-law of Ramvillaz Paswan, brother-in-law of Chirag Paswan, appointed as chairman of SC Commission.
02:53Nepotism charge 2. Son-in-law of Jitimran Majhi, appointed vice chairman of SC Commission.
03:01Nepotism charge 3. Son-in-law of Ashok Chaudhary, from the JDU, received appointments in Dharmanya's board.
03:11Nepotism charge 4. Wife of Deepak Prasad, Nitish Kumar's principal secretary, appointed in women's commission as educationist.
03:21Nepotism charge 5. Both daughters of Sanjay Kumar, JDU, received Supreme Court council appointments.
03:28Nepotism charge 5. Family postings equal to political loyalty.
03:44Nepotism charge 5. Nepo appointments to please allies.
03:47Top focus on To The Point this evening.
03:49All right, all of these charges swirling right now in the state of Bihar, which viewers is less than six months away from elections.
04:01Let's cut across to our political panelists this evening.
04:04Joining me, Priyanka Bharti, National Spokesperson, RJD.
04:07Satya Prakash Mishra, Leader, JDU.
04:10He's in the studio with me, Dr. Rajaya Lok, National Spokesperson.
04:13Bharatiya Janata Party would be joining us shortly.
04:15Neeraj Mishra, National Spokesperson, Congress.
04:18Before we cut across to our other panelists, I want to go to Mr. Satya Prakash Mishra, who's joining me in the studio right now.
04:25Satya Prakash Mishra, first up, I just want to ask you, is it true or are these just charges?
04:31And I'll take you through one by one.
04:33Son-in-law of Rambilas Paswan is now appointed the chairperson of the SE Commission.
04:39Son-in-law of Jitimra Majhi, who is your ally, appointed vice chairman of SE Commission.
04:45Your own party leader, Ashok Chaudhary's son-in-law, received appointment in Dharmanya Vyas.
04:52Now, your leader, Nitish Kumar's principal secretary's wife, has been appointed in Women's Commission as education minister.
04:59Other senior JDU leader, Sanjay Jha.
05:02Both his daughters, and, you know, we'll play out the notification as well.
05:08Both his daughters have received Supreme Court Council appointments.
05:12Is it true?
05:13And all of this in the last one month.
05:15Yes or no, sir?
05:15There is all reports in media.
05:18I start with Honorable Sri Sanjay Jha.
05:19You're saying it's not true?
05:20I start with, whatever the media reports are there related to that, I start with, if daughter of Sanjay Jha has been appointed as a council in SE, I must tell that Bihar is proud of such a doubter who studied LLM in Stanford University.
05:37Not one, two daughters.
05:38Two doubters.
05:39One doubter is product of Harvard University, and other is Stanford University.
05:45Two doubters of Bihar from Darbhanga district, if went to Harvard and Stanford, it is a proudest moment for Bihar.
05:54I salute both of the doubters of Sanjay Jhaji.
05:56Second, Shayan Kunal, the son of Kishore Kunal, the ex-IPS officer, and he was the founder of Mahaveer Mandir Trust, Patna.
06:06So, he has his own capacity.
06:09Who is he, the son-in-law?
06:11Son-in-law is something different.
06:13He has his own identity.
06:15Suppose somebody got married to a member of parliament, Sambhavi Chaudhary, prior to, she was not member of parliament when they got married.
06:24Sayan Kunal has his own social identity in a field of social work and specifically in the spirituality.
06:31He is running schools and everyone is capable to hold such positions.
06:36If you blame Nitish Kumar, if Tejasvi Yadav blames Nitish Kumar, let us start with the family of Tejasvi Yadav.
06:43Lalu Yadav became chief minister and Rawri Devi was not in a politics.
06:48She was just brought from kitchen to the CM post of Bihar.
06:51What was that?
06:52And two son-in-law of Lalu Prasad Yadav was appointed under the court of science and technology.
06:58He was sent to Rajya Sabha, Shadu Yadav and Sumasya Yadav, both.
07:03And later on, two doubters of, you know, Rawri Devi and Lalu Prasad Yadav, Raghini Acharya, Rohini Acharya, sorry, and Misa Bharti.
07:12Both were provided with Rajya Sabha and Lok Sabha ticket.
07:16What was that?
07:17And Tejasvi Yadav and Tej Pratav Yadav both became the minister in Bihar government.
07:22So, eight members from the same family became ministers, member of parliament, MLA and everything.
07:30Sir, your time is up.
07:30If these people, one last line, if these people who has quality to become the member or SE council or any other chairmanship, it is welcome.
07:40It must be welcome.
07:41Because, okay, your time is up.
07:43I'll circle back to you.
07:43But Mr. Satyaprakash Mishra, hold on to that thought because, you know, you've gone into,
07:47sometimes some things are indefensible and it's tragic that spokesperson need to come and defend a party line.
07:55But you said that you're proud of the two daughters, both the daughters, one of them was enrolled in 2019, the other one was enrolled in 2020.
08:02They were both, October this year, they were both given appointments as Supreme Court counsel.
08:08Usually, usually, sir, it needs seven years of enrollment for an appointment to the Supreme Court counsel.
08:17I will just, I'm just giving you, I'll come back to you, I'll come back to you, like I said, sometimes, it's, you know, malum that thought.
08:25And it's very interesting also that both daughters together, you know, were given that appointment.
08:29I want to cut across to Dr. Rajay Alok, national spokesperson, BJP, and we'll go to the other spokesperson as well.
08:36Dr. Alok, I, you know, sometimes, like I said, it is difficult to defend the indefensible, number one.
08:41Do you agree with the list of appointments and maybe, sir, you'd be able to tell us more if it's true?
08:47Because, let me go again.
08:49Son-in-law of Ramvila Spaswan, appointed chairman of SE Commission.
08:53Son-in-law of Jitim Ram Maji, appointed vice chairperson of SE Commission.
08:57Son-in-law of JDU leader Ashok Chaudhary, receives appointment in Dharmanya's board.
09:02Wife of Deepak Prasad, who is Nitish Kumar's principal secretary, appointed in Women's Commission.
09:07Both daughters of Sanjay Jha, who only after, I would reckon, four and three years of enrolment, have received Supreme Court Council appointments.
09:19Now, do you think it's wrong to make a nepotism charge, Dr. Rajay Alok?
09:23All of these appointments have happened in the last few months only, sir.
09:30No, I'll go. Come one by one.
09:34Prejah Sri had a very famously quoted,
09:36You know, these words, where he got it from?
09:41If you remember, covering Jharkhand elections,
09:45we heard that Jamaii Gaon ban raha hai.
09:47So, from Jamaii Gaon, here comes the Jamaii Club.
09:51Good enough?
09:52But he conveniently forgets,
09:54that there was a Sasural going on.
09:56And we used to mock at that point of time,
09:58that Sasural means,
09:59Sufa Subhash, Rafer Rabdi, and Laughal Lalu.
10:03Sasural government, run by Salah Ayog.
10:06Because both the Salahs were doing quite nicely,
10:08Sadhu and Subhash.
10:09But unfortunately,
10:11this was a case of only one party.
10:13Here, what we are discussing right now,
10:15is a coalition of five parties.
10:18Definitely, in an India government,
10:20we have a coalition of five parties,
10:22and the appointments of boards,
10:23or appointments for the council,
10:25definitely will go to our supporters.
10:26There is no doubt about it.
10:27Every government does it,
10:28and we also have done it.
10:30And accordingly,
10:31the similar quotas were placed for different parties.
10:33Jeetan Armanji was asked to place his nominee.
10:36Rambilas Baswan was asked to place his nominee.
10:38J.D.U. was supposed to place their nominee.
10:40J.D.U. was supposed to place their nominee.
10:42Now, let me give you a revelation.
10:45Mr.
10:46Son of Mr. Kunal, Kishore Kunal,
10:49Santam Taliyan,
10:50is a nominee of a combined J.D.U. and B.J.P. party,
10:53because his father, Kishore Kunal,
10:55was a very prominent person.
10:58He unfortunately is no more with us,
10:59and he used to be attached with Ramadir Trust.
11:02So, we had a consent.
11:02The B.J.P. also had a consent.
11:04So, J.D.U. decided on their part
11:06to nominate Sanjay Jha's daughter
11:08as the Supreme Court Council.
11:10And by the way,
11:11there are not only two Supreme Court Councils from Bihar,
11:13there are at least 15 Supreme Court Councils from Bihar.
11:16Many more are yet to come.
11:18And all these,
11:19what do you say,
11:20these bodies,
11:22these are all not,
11:23none of them are constitutional bodies.
11:25Everything dissolves
11:27while the Chief Minister resigns after the election.
11:29So, it's just a matter of five months.
11:30Why so?
11:30He will try.
11:31And every party has a right.
11:33Dr. Rajay Alok,
11:35you know,
11:35like I said, sir,
11:36you know,
11:36usually you are a very reasonable man
11:37and you always come up with very strong
11:39and plausible defences
11:40of your party.
11:43But,
11:43you know,
11:44sometimes it's difficult to defend the indefensible.
11:46And why I say it is difficult to defend
11:48the indefensible is
11:49you talk about both daughters of Sanjay Jha, JDU.
11:53You know,
11:53the notification came out jointly
11:55of both the daughters.
11:56And it's interesting
11:57because one of them was enrolled in 2019,
11:59the other one in 2020.
12:00Usually,
12:01the trajectory
12:01of a Supreme Court Council, sir,
12:03and I would think you also know that,
12:05is about seven years
12:06before their appointment takes place.
12:09They've been appointed
12:09in less than that time.
12:11It's not a rule,
12:12but it is usually the norm
12:14is what,
12:15you know,
12:16the norm
12:17is where the Council
12:18of Supreme Court is concerned.
12:20We gave you the whole list
12:21of the others,
12:21but
12:22of what you said
12:23was during the time
12:25of the RJD,
12:26it was Jamai Raj,
12:28the same thing right now,
12:29it seems,
12:30with the NDA
12:31is Damad Raj.
12:32So nothing much has changed,
12:33Priyanka Bharati.
12:35Today,
12:36if
12:36it came from the RJD,
12:38the charges that have been made
12:40would not sound so rich
12:42if the same
12:42was not followed
12:44by your principal family.
12:45I just want to lay out
12:46the family tree
12:47of the RJD.
12:49And possibly
12:49every appointment there
12:51at the time
12:52of forget about
12:53when you were in power,
12:54even when you're not in power,
12:56has been positioned,
12:58appointed
12:58by a family member
13:00itself.
13:01So,
13:02what really in the world
13:03is RJD speaking of?
13:04You did exactly
13:05what is happening right now.
13:07It seems
13:07that's the norm in Bihar
13:09and ultimately
13:10those who are paying
13:10the highest price
13:11are people fighting
13:12for meritocracy.
13:15Preeti ji,
13:16if nepotism happens
13:17in politics,
13:18people have the power
13:19to accept
13:20or reject a leader
13:21to their votes.
13:22But what's happening
13:23right now in Bihar
13:24is different sort of nepotism
13:25as you earlier
13:26also showed pictures.
13:28They are following
13:29the footprints
13:30of Mr. Amit Shah
13:31as Amit Shah
13:32made his son
13:33Jai Shah in 2013,
13:34Joint Secretary
13:34of Gujarat Cricket Association
13:36In 2017,
13:37Jai Shah became
13:38Secretary of BCCI
13:39and in 2019,
13:40he became unopposed
13:42youngest ever
13:43ICC Chairman
13:44at the age of 35.
13:45What was his merit?
13:46Similarly,
13:47Sanjay Jha,
13:48as you also said,
13:49made his two daughters,
13:50brought in
13:52Council,
13:53Group A Panel
13:53Council for Conducting
13:54Central Government Litigation
13:56and through
13:57Damat Kalyan Ayok
13:58and also
13:59self-claimed
14:00RSS quota.
14:01RSS quota,
14:02there is something like that.
14:03Ashok Chaudhary
14:04claimed that
14:05his son-in-law
14:05got appointed
14:06in Dharmanya's board
14:07and benefiting
14:08from the same
14:09Damat Kalyan scheme,
14:11Ramvila's
14:12Paswan's
14:12son-in-law
14:13and Jitana Rammanji's
14:14son-in-law
14:14also got key positions
14:15in the commission.
14:17Not only the ministers,
14:18even the officers
14:19are getting their wives
14:21appointed
14:21in women's commission.
14:24Now,
14:24the question is,
14:25when you talk about
14:26meritocracy,
14:27doesn't it come
14:27from privileges?
14:28When you talk about
14:29two daughters of
14:30Sanjay Jha,
14:30I would like to tell,
14:31what is the fee structure
14:32of Stanford and Harvard?
14:33It's in crores.
14:35So,
14:35these two daughters
14:36should also tell,
14:37come in front
14:38and talk about,
14:39did they get any
14:40scholarship from
14:40these two universities
14:41or it was papa's money?
14:43Because,
14:44as you also mentioned,
14:45that for coming
14:46in Supreme Court Council,
14:48one needs
14:48years and years
14:49of experiences
14:50and he said,
14:51Ajay Alok said,
14:52there are 15 members.
14:54These 15 members
14:55went through meritocracy.
14:57Now,
14:57everyone...
14:57Ranga Bharti,
14:58allow me,
14:58I'll freeze your time.
14:59Allow me to come in.
15:01What credibility
15:02did Lalu Yadav's wife,
15:05Rabri Devi,
15:06have to become
15:07the chief minister?
15:08What credibility?
15:09What did any
15:11of the daughters
15:12have in terms
15:12of getting the ticket?
15:13You know,
15:14what is the credibility
15:15of Rabri Devi?
15:16Yeah,
15:16just in question.
15:17I'm answering
15:18your question.
15:19The credibility
15:20of Rabri Devi
15:21was,
15:21you know,
15:22during the period
15:25when Rabri Devi
15:26was leading
15:27RJD,
15:28RJD became
15:28the biggest
15:29party in Bihar.
15:31That is credibility
15:32of Rabri Devi.
15:33Along with it,
15:34you can...
15:34You know,
15:35like I said,
15:35sometimes,
15:36it's okay to raise
15:37questions,
15:38but you can only do so
15:38if you don't live in...
15:39No, sir,
15:40please allow me
15:40to open up the panel.
15:42You can only do so
15:43if you don't live
15:43in glass houses.
15:44That's it.
15:45So,
15:45you know,
15:45it's the pot
15:46calling the kettle black,
15:48but ultimately,
15:49who suffers
15:49is the common man
15:50out there.
15:51I want to cut across
15:52to Neeraj Mishra,
15:54Congress spokesperson.
15:55Dr. Rallok,
15:55I'll come back
15:56to the both of you.
15:56Just allow me
15:57to open up the panel.
15:58I'll come to you, sir.
15:59I'll come to you.
15:59We're giving equal time
16:00to everyone.
16:01Neeraj Mishra...
16:01Sir,
16:03I'll come back to you.
16:04Just allow me
16:04to get a Neeraj Mishra
16:05from the Congress.
16:07Neeraj Mishra,
16:08the question
16:08that I ask you
16:09is today,
16:10it's all well and good
16:11for the Congress
16:11to raise questions
16:12of Damad Raj,
16:13Jamai Raj,
16:14son-in-law commission.
16:16But look at your own,
16:17your own allies.
16:19You can't pick one
16:20and leave the other,
16:21no?
16:21Good for the gander,
16:22good for the ghouls.
16:24Priti ji,
16:25I'll try to be
16:26a little more honest
16:28than what my fellow
16:29panelists have been.
16:31You'll have to understand
16:32that this is a very
16:34different sort of
16:35nepotism.
16:36When you talk about
16:38regional parties
16:39or maybe a national
16:40party like us,
16:41where we have a legacy
16:43of leaders who come
16:44from our family,
16:45most of them
16:46have made their career
16:48into electoral politics.
16:50They have gone
16:50for people's vote,
16:52they have been voted in
16:53and they have been
16:54elected as leaders
16:55and then taken
16:55up other positions.
16:57Now,
16:58what is happening
16:58in Bihar
16:59or maybe in other
17:00alliance states also
17:01where NDA
17:02alliance is there,
17:04most of these
17:05parties who are
17:06partners in alliance
17:07are trying to have
17:09a share of power
17:10through these
17:12appointments.
17:13And we have all
17:14known that these
17:15appointments have
17:17been a source
17:20of power sharing
17:21in the sense
17:21that you adjust
17:23people who are
17:24important for you.
17:25We would have
17:26appreciated that
17:27in a state like
17:29Bihar,
17:30there were a lot
17:31of thinkers,
17:33intellectuals,
17:34social workers
17:35have been there
17:36in the forefront.
17:37They would have
17:38been accommodated.
17:39We had appreciated
17:40when JDU
17:41had offered
17:42their Rajya Sabha
17:43seat to someone
17:44from Karnataka
17:45who had been
17:46working for them
17:47and the social
17:48movement.
17:50But today,
17:50when they appoint
17:51somebody from
17:52Chilad Paswan's
17:53family,
17:54when they appoint
17:54somebody from
17:55Ashok Chaudhuri's
17:56family,
17:57and when they appoint
17:58somebody from
17:59all other,
18:00maybe Sanjay Jha's
18:01family,
18:02like you have
18:02mentioned.
18:03So all these
18:04people are
18:05taking places
18:06of those people
18:07who actually
18:08had the merit
18:09to represent
18:10the cause.
18:11But today,
18:12the problem is
18:12because NDA
18:14alliance in Bihar
18:15is in a tight
18:16spot,
18:17they are not
18:18able to have
18:19an understanding
18:20of how the
18:21seat sharing
18:22is going to
18:22happen,
18:23how the
18:23government is
18:24going to work
18:24and how this
18:25next six months
18:27when the election
18:27is approaching,
18:28how they are
18:29going to move
18:30forward.
18:30Okay,
18:30your time's up,
18:31sir.
18:31Time's up.
18:32Dr. Ralok,
18:33I'll come to you
18:33and then I'll go
18:34to Mr. Satyaprakash
18:34Mishra in the
18:35studio.
18:35But Dr. Ralok,
18:36I'll come back
18:37to the same
18:37point.
18:38And we'll play
18:39out the
18:39notification letter
18:40of Sanjay Jha's
18:41daughter.
18:42So,
18:42to young,
18:43bright,
18:43nobody's saying
18:44that the girls
18:44aren't bright.
18:45Clearly,
18:45if they've gone
18:46to Ivy League
18:48colleges,
18:48they must be
18:49bright.
18:49But,
18:50what is the
18:51norm?
18:51It's clear in
18:52violation of the
18:53norm.
18:53Once again,
18:53it's not a
18:54rule,
18:54but it's a
18:54norm.
18:55At least
18:55seven years
18:56before you
18:56can come to
18:57be a Supreme
18:58Court Council
18:59appointment.
19:00So,
19:00that in a
19:01way,
19:01that norm
19:02was not
19:02followed.
19:03I'm not saying
19:04it was flouted.
19:04On the other
19:05hand,
19:05you say that
19:06it is the
19:06prerogative of
19:07the LJP,
19:08of the JDU,
19:09who they come
19:10up with in
19:11terms of
19:11appointments of
19:12the Chairman
19:12of our SC
19:13Commission.
19:14But,
19:14sir,
19:14are you actually
19:15telling me
19:15that the
19:16son-in-law
19:17of Jitimra
19:18Maji and
19:18the son-in-law
19:19of Ram
19:19Vilas
19:20Paswan were
19:20the best
19:21suited for
19:21the Chairperson
19:22and the
19:22Vice Chairperson
19:23of the SC
19:23Commission in
19:24Bihar?
19:28Well,
19:29when we are
19:30in alliance
19:30and when we
19:31are sharing
19:31all the seats
19:32and when we
19:32offer those
19:33seats to our
19:34parties,
19:35fellow parties,
19:36it's absolutely
19:36the fellow
19:37parties'
19:37decision whom
19:38they want
19:38to appoint
19:38to,
19:39number one.
19:40Number two,
19:40as far as
19:41the merit
19:41goes,
19:42let me make
19:43it very clear,
19:43Preeti,
19:44these two
19:45girls,
19:45they have
19:46done their
19:46LLM,
19:48Master-in-law
19:49of Barisat,
19:50LLM degree
19:51which is not
19:51being offered
19:52in India.
19:53Whatever the
19:53norms we are
19:54discussing here
19:54is for LLB,
19:57that is Bachelor
19:58of Law Barisat.
19:59That's what we
20:00offer and after
20:01that seven years
20:02then we offer
20:02them a Supreme
20:03Court Council
20:03program.
20:04They have
20:05gone already
20:06a Master
20:06program so
20:07we cannot
20:07question on
20:08their merit.
20:09LLM in
20:09an Ivy League
20:10college is
20:11something meritorious
20:12which everyone
20:13who knows
20:13about LLM
20:14or Ivy League
20:15college,
20:16we all know
20:16it doesn't
20:16come so easily
20:18and by the
20:19way,
20:19maybe 99%
20:21I'm sure
20:22it's not
20:22going to
20:22be Papa's
20:23money because
20:23most of the
20:24LLM programs
20:25they are
20:26self-funded
20:26or they are
20:27scholarshiped.
20:28That also
20:28needs to be
20:29checked.
20:29So everything
20:30when you are
20:30sitting in a
20:31discussion,
20:32when you have
20:32to know
20:33everything about
20:33why it has
20:34been done,
20:34why it has
20:35not been
20:35done,
20:35of course
20:35the question
20:36can be
20:36raised.
20:37Since they were
20:37Sanjay Dha's
20:38daughter so they
20:39were favoured.
20:40There are a lot
20:40of LLM,
20:41even my sister
20:42is an LLM,
20:43she is practicing
20:43in Hong Kong,
20:44she didn't get the
20:45seat and neither
20:48so here we are
20:50talking about a
20:51coalition politics
20:51which we are
20:52running in NDA
20:52government and
20:53again let me
20:53tell you that
20:54all these
20:55commissions will
20:56stand to seize
20:57the moment the
20:58Chief Minister
20:58will resign after
20:59winning the
20:59election.
21:00These all
21:00commissions will
21:01dissolve,
21:01it's a matter
21:02of 5 months
21:02and look who
21:03is talking of
21:04nepotism and
21:04meritocracy,
21:05who is talking?
21:06Congress,
21:07RJD,
21:07SP,
21:08they are all
21:09epitome of
21:09nepotism.
21:11The political
21:11power is the
21:12biggest power
21:12that what
21:13Baba Sahaba
21:13Beitkar told
21:14once is the
21:15key to opening
21:15all the gates
21:16and key to
21:18opening all
21:18the gates
21:18lies in
21:19their hands
21:19and it's
21:20all decided
21:21well within
21:21the womb
21:22that yes,
21:23the next
21:23successor to
21:24the heir
21:24is going to
21:24be born
21:25and let's
21:26celebrate it.
21:26So please
21:27don't have
21:28double standards
21:28while we speak
21:29of nepotism
21:29and merit.
21:31Sir, it's not
21:32about double
21:32standards,
21:33at least
21:33whether,
21:33you know,
21:34where we in
21:34the studio
21:35is concerned
21:35and like I
21:36said,
21:37Dr. Alok,
21:38you're a very
21:38reasonable man
21:39mostly but
21:40sometimes I
21:40don't want to
21:41say anything
21:42today because
21:42I don't want
21:43to take away
21:43because you
21:44have to defend
21:44a party
21:45position and
21:45if you say
21:46nobody's taking
21:47away that
21:48these two
21:48girls are
21:48bright,
21:49they definitely
21:49must be
21:50bright if
21:50they've gone
21:50to Ivy League
21:51colleges but
21:52you're actually
21:53telling me sir
21:53that it beats
21:55somebody who
21:56has more than
21:56seven years
21:57who's applied
21:57for the same
21:58post with
21:58equal amount
21:59of merit but
21:59doesn't come
22:00from a
22:00political family,
22:01no sir.
22:02There is
22:03clearly cause
22:04to question
22:05why both
22:06the daughters
22:06together were
22:08given the
22:08position,
22:09number one.
22:09Number two,
22:11Mr. Arun
22:11Bharti,
22:12the brother-in-law
22:13of Chirag
22:14Paswan,
22:14son-in-law
22:15of Rambula's
22:16Paswan,
22:17studied Shriram
22:17College of
22:18Commerce,
22:19Delhi,
22:19later completed
22:20his master's
22:21in business
22:23administration from
22:24the Stride
22:25Clyde Business
22:25School.
22:26You're actually
22:26telling me he's
22:27the most fit
22:28to take the
22:29position of the
22:30SE Commission
22:31Chief in Bihar.
22:33I'll leave it
22:33up to your good
22:34judgment.
22:35I want to now
22:36bring in,
22:36I have...
22:37Arun Bharti is...
22:38Arun Bharti...
22:39Go sir,
22:40make your point.
22:41Arun Bharti is also
22:42member of parliament
22:43from Jammui.
22:43I know sir,
22:47I'm just talking
22:48about the position
22:49he occupies right
22:51now of being
22:53the SE Council
22:54Chief.
22:55Go ahead sir,
22:55make your point.
22:56Priti, you may refer
22:57it as a nepotism,
22:58but every...
22:59You don't?
23:00No, I don't.
23:01Because the people
23:02who have been
23:03appointed in
23:03different commission
23:04have been in the
23:05social service
23:06and in the law
23:07field since very
23:08long amount of
23:08time.
23:09You know,
23:10regarding Sanjay Jha's
23:11doubter,
23:11I must say...
23:12Sir, can you tell me...
23:13hold on.
23:14No, no, I...
23:15No sir, hold on.
23:16I'll hold your clock
23:17because you made a point.
23:18They've been in
23:18social service.
23:19Tell me something.
23:20The principal secretary
23:20of Nitish Kumar's wife
23:22who has now...
23:22I'm asking you a question.
23:24Don't interrupt me sir.
23:25I'm just responding.
23:25The principal secretary's...
23:26Allow me to ask you
23:28that question.
23:29Now you've raised it up.
23:31Let me also now
23:31delve deeper.
23:32The wife of the
23:34principal secretary
23:34of Nitish Kumar
23:36has been given
23:36a position of an
23:38educationist in the
23:39women wing in Bihar.
23:41And what's interesting
23:42in all of this viewers
23:43is when her notification
23:44came in,
23:45it wasn't the name
23:46of her husband
23:46that came in.
23:48It was...
23:49Her notification came in
23:50in the name of the
23:51father.
23:51There's nothing wrong
23:52with that.
23:52But some would suggest
23:53it was purely done
23:54so questions would not
23:56link or there would
23:57not be any linkage
23:59to the husband here.
24:00So go ahead sir.
24:01What is her qualification?
24:02I tell you one of the
24:04most important facts.
24:06When Nitish Kumar
24:06was in second term,
24:08you know,
24:08doubter of Shahir
24:09Sahabuddin was made
24:10the minister
24:11in the Nitish government.
24:12It was not called
24:13nepotism because
24:14she was well qualified.
24:15She contested election
24:16and won the election.
24:17Now what I'm coming
24:18to a point,
24:18if Bihar want to
24:19celebrate this two doubter
24:21which is very much
24:22capable to represent
24:23Bihar in SE,
24:24what is wrong in that?
24:25Suppose her application
24:26may have been,
24:27you know,
24:28accepted on the basis
24:29of qualification.
24:30I don't want to say
24:31that I know
24:32both the doubter.
24:33They have been
24:34very bright student
24:35and brighter student
24:36of the Bihar.
24:37Second thing,
24:38ask Priyanka Bharti
24:39when she joined politics.
24:41Misha Bharti
24:42was got admitted
24:43in a medical college
24:45under the quota
24:46of Tata company.
24:48Then she got transferred
24:49to the Patna Medical College
24:50and that doctor
24:52so far
24:52has never practiced.
24:54So they are calling
24:55papa's money
24:56and dada's money
24:57because the Misha Bharti
24:58being a doctor
24:59never practiced.
25:01I am openly saying
25:02Priyanka Bharti
25:02go and ask for
25:03any prescription
25:04to Misha Bharti.
25:05Sanjay Jha's doctor
25:06is a very brighter
25:07and talented
25:08coming to that point.
25:09The wife of somebody
25:10has been appointed
25:11in the Women Commission.
25:12The Women Commission
25:13generally incorporate
25:15from every section
25:16of the society.
25:17So it's good
25:18to have certain
25:19kind of people
25:19in a multidisciplinary
25:21activity.
25:22You know,
25:22understand well
25:23what the role
25:24of the Women Commission
25:25in Bihar.
25:26The third point,
25:27whosoever
25:27have been appointed
25:28like Rajiv Ranjan.
25:29Come again?
25:29No, you didn't question
25:32about Rajiv Ranjan.
25:33A seasoned politician
25:33of GDU
25:34has been appointed
25:36as the vice chairman
25:37of some commission
25:38and you are not
25:39asking about that.
25:40Dittish Kumar
25:41never favored nepotism.
25:43He must have
25:43gone through the quality
25:44and the political
25:45scenario of Bihar
25:47regarding Kishore Kunal
25:49son,
25:50Sayan Kunal.
25:50He has been also
25:51a social worker
25:52and he works
25:53for the spiritual
25:53development.
25:55Just by the one
25:56second, sir.
25:56A, don't screen.
25:57No, no.
25:57We don't bring
25:58Kitch,
25:59we don't bring any
26:00ladies from Kitch
26:00and to CM post.
26:00Just one second, sir.
26:01You know,
26:02the time is up.
26:02Okay, fine.
26:03Allow me to,
26:03you're actually telling
26:04me that the
26:05principal secretary's
26:06wife was given
26:07an appointment
26:07of Nitish Kumar,
26:09principal secretary's
26:10wife,
26:10was given an
26:10appointment in the
26:11women's commission
26:11because she's a
26:12woman,
26:13the ex-principal
26:14secretary.
26:14By the virtue
26:15of being woman,
26:16that's her
26:16qualification.
26:17Really?
26:17No, no, no.
26:18I'm not saying
26:18by virtue of that
26:19women.
26:19Tell me what a
26:22qualification is
26:23other than being
26:24woman.
26:25Priyanka Bharti,
26:26all of that you're
26:27smiling about right
26:28now.
26:28Why she's smiling?
26:29Sir, one second.
26:30Ask her why
26:30Misa Bharti got
26:31admitted in a
26:32Jamshedpur medical
26:33college under the
26:34quota of Tata
26:35company and she
26:37never practiced.
26:37If you think you
26:37can sit in the
26:38studio, sir, next
26:39time I won't get
26:39you in the studio.
26:40If you think you
26:41can sit in the
26:41studio and start
26:42screaming, please
26:44add her to your
26:46time limit.
26:47Priyanka Bharti,
26:48it's a very basic
26:49question.
26:49All of the
26:50charges would
26:50have made sense
26:51like I said, if
26:52the pot wasn't
26:52black.
26:53But today, if
26:54you live in
26:55glass houses, you
26:56don't throw stones
26:56at others.
26:58Priyanka Bharti,
26:58that's why I
26:59mentioned, know
26:59that if nepotism
27:01takes place in
27:02politics, this is
27:03different sort.
27:04People have the
27:05power to change
27:05them.
27:06But in this way,
27:07when members of
27:08the families are
27:09made someone given
27:10key positions and
27:11commissions, what
27:12will you do?
27:13If I talk about,
27:13I didn't even go
27:14to BJP.
27:15If I talk about
27:16them, not a
27:17single person will
27:18be found.
27:18A, two, Z,
27:19products of
27:20nepotism.
27:20Amir Shah,
27:21Jair Shah,
27:21Premkumar,
27:22Dhumalanurak,
27:23Thakurana.
27:23Madam, I'll hold
27:24your clock.
27:25Would you like to,
27:25Madam, I'll hold
27:26your clock.
27:27I'm holding your
27:28clock and I'm
27:28asking you a
27:29question.
27:30Instead of
27:31rattling out the
27:31names that you're
27:32rattling out, would
27:33you care to look
27:35into your own
27:35political party and
27:36your principal
27:37political family,
27:39the others, would
27:39you care to
27:40reflect on that?
27:41Obviously, we have
27:44not only reflected
27:45what, you know,
27:47RGD as the
27:48party, in whole
27:49India I'm talking
27:50about, is the
27:50only party who
27:51gives reservation
27:52within the
27:53political system.
27:54We give
27:55reservations to
27:55Dalits, to
27:56OBCs, to
27:57STs, to
27:58minorities.
27:59We have 45%
27:59of quota for
28:00them for even
28:01more.
28:02What are you
28:04talking about,
28:05Mishra Ji?
28:05You were not
28:06even accepted as
28:07education.
28:08Can I just, one
28:09second, sir, I
28:10will not, I will
28:10not allow this.
28:11Make your point.
28:12And if you're
28:13talking about
28:14Mishra Ji's
28:15education, Tejasvi
28:16Ji's education,
28:17Baba Sahib would
28:18have made it
28:19compulsory that
28:20someone should be
28:21educated to be a
28:22politician.
28:22Kabir was not
28:23that educated for
28:24the degree if I
28:25talk about.
28:29DMK's Karun,
28:32Karun, what
28:33was his name?
28:35K Kamraj Ji.
28:36K Kamraj Ji was
28:37not that educated
28:38but see what
28:39policies he brought
28:40in, midday meal
28:41policies he brought
28:42in.
28:42So let's not talk
28:43about that.
28:43What I am talking
28:44about is when you
28:45talk about meritocracy,
28:46no, it comes with
28:46privileges.
28:47Privileges of caste,
28:48privilege of money,
28:49privilege of who your
28:50father is and how
28:51much he can pay for
28:52your Ivy League
28:52colleges.
28:53We cannot dream of
28:54going to Ivy League
28:55colleges unless our
28:56fathers have crores of
28:57money with them.
28:59We do it with
28:59scholarships.
29:00That is who we are
29:02and that is even
29:04RJD sponsoring and
29:06bringing people like
29:07me shows that
29:08RJD has always put
29:10social justice on
29:11the top.
29:13That cannot be if
29:13you talk and
29:14Satyaprakash Mr.
29:15Shit, Nitish Kumar
29:16nepotism nahi karte.
29:17That's what we are
29:18saying.
29:18No, if he is not
29:20talking to him.
29:20Madam, your time is up.
29:22Madam, your time is up.
29:24You know, the point you
29:24also really need to
29:25reflect on is, I'll come
29:27back to it.
29:28You look at the whole
29:29Yadav family.
29:31There are positions,
29:32plump posts that were
29:33given despite not even
29:34going to Ivy League
29:35colleges.
29:36At least here you have
29:37two girls who have gone
29:37to Ivy League colleges.
29:39Here, positions have been
29:40given despite that.
29:42So let's not get into
29:43that, madam.
29:43One thing is very clear.
29:44It's all right, well and
29:46good to raise the charge
29:48of son-in-law commission,
29:50Dhamad commission.
29:51But your party was no
29:53different.
29:54I want to bring in
29:55Neeraj Mishra into this.
29:56Neeraj Mishra, it's a
29:57large-scale embarrassment,
29:58sir, for you.
29:59Because you cannot come
30:00here and defend the
30:01indefensible where your
30:02own ally in Bihar is
30:03concerned, which is the
30:05RJD.
30:05Look at the larger, you
30:06know, your larger
30:07alliance in India.
30:08I'm not even getting into
30:09NEPO politics.
30:10These are plump positions
30:11that have been given to
30:13family members of
30:14politicians.
30:14Viti, in my initial
30:17remark, I said that I'll
30:18try to be a little more
30:19honest.
30:20I'll tell you times have
30:21changed.
30:22Today, what JDU and
30:24NDA has done in Bihar
30:25would have been a little
30:28not acceptable, but
30:30little under the carpet
30:31if it would have
30:32happened 15, 20 years
30:34back.
30:34But today, in this time
30:36when one notification
30:37comes and it is all
30:39over the internet, the
30:41optics of this
30:42appointment is very bad.
30:44What Dr. Ajay
30:45Alok was saying, I
30:46also believe that we
30:47should not question the
30:49merit of these girls,
30:50Sanjay Jha's daughter,
30:51but he should also know
30:53that LLM has a course
30:54offered in India also.
30:56Law faculties all across
30:57the states, they offer
30:59LLM courses.
31:01And where she went, it
31:02also has a self-funded
31:04program where $150,000
31:06per candidature is the
31:09tuition fees for those
31:10programs.
31:10So let's not have this
31:12moral high ground that
31:14she got accepted only
31:16because of the fact that
31:17she was married to it.
31:17She is.
31:18But then let's not go
31:20around that.
31:21Our point is very
31:22simple.
31:23That now that the
31:25election time is very
31:26near in Bihar, in next
31:28six months we are going
31:29for vote.
31:30BJP and all its
31:32alliance partners are
31:33trying to establish a
31:35balance of power because
31:36they know that they won't
31:38be getting as much seats
31:39as they are asking.
31:41Now what they have
31:42devised, what we believe
31:43is the fact that they
31:44will take up these
31:46plump positions, they'll
31:47just fill their coffers
31:49and when the election
31:51comes, they'll dispense
31:53all these monies and
31:54all these bureaucratic
31:56access which they'll have
31:58through these posters
31:59in the election.
32:01So this is something of
32:02an election management
32:03process which they have
32:04started.
32:05We have to understand
32:07this, Preeti.
32:07because if we beat
32:08around the bush and
32:09target one person, we'll
32:12miss the entire point.
32:13Now BJP, NDA is
32:15trying to just strike a
32:16balance of how they
32:17would be trying to
32:18contest the election.
32:19Okay, I'm going to give
32:19one minute to everybody.
32:20Dr. Rajay Alok, I want
32:21to bring you in first,
32:22sir.
32:23That is the charge, that
32:24you're just trying to
32:25balance equations, political
32:26equations before you go
32:28into elections that
32:28everybody is happy.
32:30You keep them satiated
32:32by, you know, whether
32:34it's plump positions or
32:35otherwise.
32:39Of course, it's the
32:40responsibility of the
32:41government and head of
32:42the government to keep
32:42all the allies happy and
32:44keep all the allies
32:44strengthened.
32:45Politically, there is no
32:46harm in it.
32:46There's nothing wrong in
32:47it.
32:48The question of nepotism
32:49here doesn't arise
32:50because none of them
32:51are from Nitish Kumar's
32:52family.
32:53There comes a question
32:54of nepotism.
32:55Here are from the
32:56allies, right?
32:57And what we are talking
32:58of nepotism is only
32:59from the family, whether
33:00it is Gandhi, Gandhi
33:01family, whether it is
33:02Lalu family, whether it
33:03is a Klesh family.
33:04Second thing, we were
33:05talking about Rashmi
33:06Shekhar Sinha.
33:07Let me tell you, the
33:08wife of Deepak Prashad
33:09Ji, she's a very
33:10renowned educationist.
33:12She's the professor in
33:13Anugram Narayan
33:14College in Magad
33:15University and she
33:16knows a lot of
33:17education.
33:18So she's appointed as
33:19an educationist in the
33:20education department
33:21with a 30 years of
33:23long experience behind
33:25her.
33:25So there's nothing wrong
33:26in meritocracy also
33:27on that.
33:28I'm done.
33:30You have 11 seconds
33:31more, sir.
33:31You can use it.
33:32Like I said, sometimes
33:33it's difficult to defend
33:35the undefensible.
33:36You've done a spirited
33:36job.
33:36I think I made my
33:37point.
33:38Dr. Alok, you've
33:39done a spirited job
33:40of it.
33:40You and I both know
33:41otherwise you
33:41wouldn't be smiling.
33:42But that's fine.
33:43We leave it at that.
33:44You have a job.
33:44You have to defend.
33:45Satya Prakash, Mishra,
33:46one minute.
33:47Still again, I say
33:48that Sanjay Jha, we
33:49have been proud of
33:50Bihar's doubter.
33:51At least Misha
33:52Bharti got admission
33:53under quotaship of
33:54Tata Company and
33:55Sanjay Jha's doubter
33:56got admission through
33:57her own, you know,
33:58skills and talent.
33:59We are very much
34:01proud that some
34:02Bihari studied in
34:03the Harvard University
34:04and the Stanford
34:04University under
34:05the scholarship
34:06program, not the
34:07Papaji's money.
34:08Second point, it is
34:09definitely not
34:10nepotism at all
34:11because everyone
34:12included in these
34:13commissions have been
34:14doing great work in
34:15their life, whether
34:16it is Mrinal Pashwar,
34:17whether it is
34:17Devendurji, whether
34:18it is Rajiv Ranjan,
34:20our spokesperson,
34:21Jair Jha's spokesperson.
34:22So everybody has
34:23been included with
34:24their quality and
34:25qualification, not on
34:27the basis of
34:27nepotism.
34:28That's it.
34:29All right, I'll
34:30cut across to the
34:31RJD spokesperson.
34:32Last one minute,
34:32Priyanka Bharti,
34:33please go, make
34:34your final submissions.
34:36Two daughters of
34:38Sanjay Jha getting
34:39into SC panel also
34:40raises question,
34:41weren't there any
34:42Dalits or backwards
34:43this meritorious to
34:47reach at that post
34:48where Sanjay Jha's
34:49daughter are reaching?
34:50That's why we have
34:51always asked for
34:52reservations in
34:52judiciary as well.
34:54The second question
34:55is, Ajay Alok
34:56mentioned that wife
34:58Deepak Prasad is
34:59a professor at
35:00Magad Mahila
35:00College.
35:01So much meritorious
35:02that Magad Mahila
35:03College, you know,
35:04students need five
35:05years for completing
35:06their graduation.
35:08That is what
35:08education's standard
35:10is in Magad Mahila
35:12College.
35:12And third point,
35:13when you talk about
35:14nepotism, no,
35:15not a single person
35:16even in BJP is
35:18out of it.
35:18Each and everyone
35:19is product of
35:20nepotism.
35:21Either Rajnath
35:22Singh's son,
35:23Pankaj Singh,
35:24Ved Prakash
35:24Goel, Piyush
35:25Goel, Devendra
35:26Pradhan,
35:27Dharmendra Pradhan.
35:28Aisha, there's
35:29list of names.
35:31So let's not
35:31go into that.
35:32And if it's
35:33about merit,
35:33no, if I
35:34would also have
35:35crores of
35:36money with my
35:37father, I
35:37would also be
35:38in Stanford.
35:39Like I said,
35:40you know,
35:41the RJD
35:41spokesperson,
35:42Ms. Bharti,
35:42spirited defense
35:43without reflecting
35:44not even for
35:4510 seconds on
35:46your own political
35:46outfit.
35:47But Neeraj
35:47Mishra, one
35:48minute, sir.
35:48Go ahead.
35:50Preeti ji,
35:50first of all,
35:51I would appreciate
35:52that Dr.
35:53Ajay Alok has
35:54accepted the
35:55fact that it
35:56is only election
35:57management and
35:58all the moral
35:59high ground which
35:59they have been
36:00taking for last
36:0111 years more
36:02or less, that
36:03their party and
36:04their alliances are
36:05devoid of all
36:06these nepotistic
36:07characters.
36:09So he has
36:10agreed to this
36:11fact that in
36:11order to make
36:12this balance,
36:13they allow all
36:14these things.
36:15So now BJP has
36:16lost that moral
36:17right of calling
36:18out other parties
36:20that they were
36:21indulgent in
36:21nepotistic
36:22characteristics and
36:23promoting them.
36:24Second point is
36:25we all should
36:27now just
36:28understand this
36:28fact that
36:29because elections
36:31are around the
36:32corner, they are
36:33trying to do
36:33election management.
36:35What other
36:36parties are doing,
36:37they are just
36:37trying to make
36:39use of these
36:40plump positions,
36:41fill up their
36:41coffers, and
36:42now they just
36:43want to use
36:44these positions
36:45to have a very
36:46smooth election
36:48in the future.
36:49And one last
36:49thing that
36:50Mr. Ajay
36:51Alok and
36:51Satyaprakash
36:52Mishra should
36:52also teach that
36:53what Mr.
36:54Deepak's reputation
36:55That's all the
36:56time that we
36:56have for now.
36:57You know, like I
36:57said, there could
36:57have been moral
36:58high ground if
36:59you know, the
37:00RGD or even
37:01the Congress
37:02here could
37:03actually stand
37:04on one and
37:04argue this point.
37:05It's not true.
37:06But ultimately
37:06who's the biggest
37:07loser in all of
37:09it, if you need
37:09to underline that,
37:11as collateral
37:11in midst of all
37:12of this is the
37:13hapless citizen
37:14of Bihar.
37:15Yes, it is about
37:16meritocracy and
37:17it always is
37:18sacrificed at the
37:19altar of
37:19nepotism.
37:22Let's cut across
37:23right now to
37:24Gujarat, the
37:24latest coming in
37:25from Rajkot and
37:26Ahmedabad.
37:28Rajkot, where
37:29former Gujarat
37:30Chief Minister
37:30Vijay Rupani
37:31will be laid to
37:32rest today.
37:33Funeral procession
37:35right now on the
37:36mortal remains of
37:37Gujarat's former
37:37Chief Minister
37:38Vijay Rupani, who
37:39was one of the
37:40victims of the
37:41deadly air crash
37:42in Ahmedabad, were
37:43handed over to
37:43his family this
37:45afternoon.
37:46He was cremated
37:47with full state
37:47honours.
37:48In his honour,
37:49Rajkot has
37:49declared a
37:50voluntary half
37:51day closure.
37:53Prayer meeting
37:54scheduled for the
37:5517th of this
37:56month.
37:56I want to cut
37:57across right now
37:58to my colleague
37:58Brijesh Doshi, who's
38:00joining us from
38:01Rajkot.
38:02Brijesh, the final
38:03rites taking place
38:05of Mr. Rupani
38:06today.
38:07What's the latest?
38:11Yes, Pratib, the
38:13last journey of
38:14Mr. Vijay Rupani,
38:16the former
38:16Chief Minister of
38:18Gujarat, has
38:18started from his
38:19residence to the
38:20funeral house.
38:22So now, in a
38:24short while from
38:24now on, the
38:26last race will
38:27be taken place
38:28at the Rajkot
38:30and the all
38:32top BJP
38:33leadership, be
38:34Union Home
38:35Minister Ramit
38:36Shah, Gujarat
38:37Chief Minister
38:37Bupendra Patel,
38:39Union Minister
38:39C.R. Patil,
38:41the Governor
38:41of Gujarat,
38:43Acharya Dravivad,
38:44all are present
38:45during the last
38:46race.
38:47They have given
38:47the tribute.
38:48They all
38:48followed the
38:49government protocol
38:52has been followed
38:53and the tribute
38:55was given to
38:55the former
38:56Chief Minister
38:57at the residence
38:58itself.
38:59All has given
39:01the last tribute
39:02to former
39:03chief minister
39:03and the tallest
39:04leader of
39:04the Saurashtra,
39:05one of the
39:06nice and
39:08gem of a
39:09person who
39:10was always
39:11available for
39:11the common
39:11man.
39:12He gave the
39:12sign that
39:14CM is equal
39:14to common
39:15man and I
39:16am the
39:16common man
39:16who lives
39:17with the
39:18common people
39:19during his
39:20regime of
39:202016-2021.
39:22He truly
39:24gave that
39:25sign to
39:25people that
39:26he was
39:27among them
39:28and he
39:29lived as
39:30common man
39:31during those
39:33five years
39:33of chief
39:34ministership.
39:35He spent
39:36almost 50
39:37years in
39:38the political
39:39and social
39:39life in
39:41Saurashtra.
39:42He started
39:42his career
39:42from ABVP
39:43and ended
39:45as a chief
39:45minister of
39:46Gujarat for
39:47five years.
39:48Then he was
39:48given the
39:49responsibility
39:49of the
39:49Punjab
39:50BJP in
39:52charge.
39:52before he
39:54died he
39:55was busy
39:56during the
39:56Lodhana
39:56Bipole
39:57which will
39:57be held
39:58on 19th
40:01June.
40:01So he
40:02was there
40:03in Punjab
40:04on 11th
40:05June for
40:06the preparation
40:06of the
40:07Bipoles.
40:10Then on
40:1012th June
40:11the incident
40:11happened and
40:13Gujarat lost
40:14one of the
40:15biggest leaders
40:17of BJP
40:17BJ Rupani.
40:20Brujais,
40:20stay with
40:21me.
40:21tragic visuals
40:22coming in
40:23from Raj
40:23Court.
40:24The remains
40:24after DNA
40:25identification
40:26were handed
40:26over to the
40:27family this
40:27afternoon.
40:28A funeral
40:29procession was
40:30taken out,
40:31final rites
40:32for the
40:34public to
40:35come and
40:36pay their
40:38final respects
40:39and any
40:40moment now
40:41the cremation
40:42of the
40:43former Chief
40:44Minister,
40:45Mr.
40:45Vijay Rupani
40:46will take
40:46place.
40:47The prayer
40:47meeting is
40:48scheduled for
40:4917th June
40:49in Raj
40:50Court and
40:5019th and
40:5120th June
40:52in Gandhinagal.
40:53I want to
40:54cut across to
40:54my colleague
40:55Vidya who
40:56has been
40:56reporting from
40:57Ahmedabad over
40:58the course of
40:59the last two
41:00days steadfastly
41:01bringing us
41:01every update
41:02coming in from
41:03the civil
41:04hospital where
41:05DNA testing
41:06continues.
41:06Vidya, what
41:07more can you
41:07add?
41:08How many
41:09remains have
41:10been handed
41:10over?
41:11What is the
41:12current situation?
41:12vaccine?
41:17Well, we have
41:18been speaking to
41:19a lot of
41:19people and
41:20they said
41:20that about
41:21more than
41:21115 DNA
41:24sampling matches
41:25have been
41:26done.
41:27The handing
41:27over is
41:28slightly on
41:29the lower
41:29side.
41:30It's about
41:3070 families
41:32have been
41:32handed over.
41:33In fact,
41:34right now,
41:34if I can
41:35just show
41:35you, there
41:35is right
41:36outside,
41:37at the
41:38mortuary,
41:39there is an
41:39ambulance
41:40waiting even
41:41at this
41:41time.
41:42Right now,
41:42in fact,
41:42there is
41:43heavy rain.
41:44The monsoon
41:44has just
41:45struck the
41:45state of
41:46Gujarat,
41:46especially
41:46Ahmedabad,
41:47it has
41:47just reached.
41:48And there
41:49is a heavy
41:50downpour.
41:51But in
41:51the midst
41:52of all
41:52that,
41:52the process
41:53of handing
41:53over of
41:55the mortal
41:55remains to
41:56the people
41:57who have
41:58been waiting
41:59in the last
41:59many days
42:00is certainly
42:01there.
42:01We have
42:02been speaking
42:03to a lot
42:03of people
42:04and they
42:04kept saying
42:05that it's
42:06been five
42:06days now.
42:08They haven't
42:08heard and
42:09they haven't
42:09got the
42:10all-important
42:11call that
42:12the administration
42:12has been
42:13promising.
42:14On the
42:14other hand,
42:15we have
42:15also spoken
42:15to a lot
42:16of people
42:16who said
42:16that why
42:17is it
42:17that there
42:17is no
42:18final figure
42:19that is
42:19being given
42:20out.
42:20It's just
42:20always an
42:21addition
42:21that people
42:22have been
42:22doing.
42:23Like 241
42:23have passed
42:24away on
42:25the flight
42:25while there
42:26could be
42:26about 29,
42:2730 more
42:27people on
42:28the ground.
42:29But the
42:29administration
42:30has never
42:30really conveyed
42:31a final
42:32full figure
42:32in spite
42:33of five
42:34days passing
42:34by.
42:35And there
42:36is no
42:36reason also
42:37given as
42:37to why
42:38they have
42:38not arrived
42:39at the
42:40computation
42:41as to why
42:41a final
42:42figure of
42:43how many
42:43people
42:43really were
42:44hurt in
42:46this entire
42:47incident.
42:48All that
42:48has not
42:49really been
42:49given.
42:50but then
42:51probably
42:52with the
42:53investigation
42:54catching a
42:54little
42:54headway,
42:56it is
42:56the
42:57investigation
42:57and the
42:59entire
42:59process of
43:01handing over
43:01the
43:01remains
43:02being
43:02given out,
43:03we will
43:03probably
43:04in some
43:04time get
43:05a final
43:05figure as
43:06to what
43:07really is
43:08the
43:08casualty
43:08in this
43:09particular
43:10incident
43:10that has
43:11created
43:12a disastrous
43:14incident of
43:15the airline
43:16crash right
43:17here in
43:17Ahmedabad.
43:19Vidya,
43:19I want to
43:20ask you one
43:20quick question
43:21because it's
43:21been an
43:21agonizing
43:22wait for
43:23the bereaved,
43:24the loved
43:24ones.
43:26Three days,
43:2872 hours,
43:29Vidya, was
43:29what the time
43:30was given to
43:31them that
43:31possibly there
43:32could be a
43:32DNA match.
43:33It doesn't
43:34seem that is
43:35going to be
43:36possible because
43:3772 hours have
43:38now passed
43:38and with at
43:40least what I've
43:41been given to
43:42understand from
43:43you, only 70
43:44mortal remains or
43:46bodies have been
43:47handed over.
43:48So the whole
43:48process to
43:49complete is
43:49going to take
43:50a very long
43:50while.
43:55In fact,
43:56that is exactly
43:57the reason why
43:58we did see a
43:58lot of, you
43:59know, when I
44:00was speaking,
44:01you know, earlier
44:02in the day when
44:03I was speaking to
44:03some people, you
44:04know, they were
44:05very upset,
44:06especially one
44:07family who had
44:07lost their
44:08sister.
44:09They said, you
44:10know, it's been
44:10five days and we
44:11have not got that
44:13call.
44:13You know, it's
44:14really frustrating
44:15what's really
44:16happening.
44:16they do
44:17understand that
44:18it's a scientific
44:18process and only
44:20after the entire
44:20matching is done
44:21that they will
44:22get a call.
44:23But, you know,
44:23the grief and
44:25this entire
44:25frustration of
44:26weight is
44:27something that
44:28is really, you
44:29know, taking the
44:30worst of them.
44:31They were pretty
44:32angry, you know,
44:33when I was
44:33speaking to one
44:33of the family
44:34member here, he
44:35was very angry.
44:36He said that, you
44:37know, it's been
44:37five days since we
44:38have got any
44:39news.
44:39So, it does
44:41seem like the
44:42restlessness and
44:43the anger is
44:44simmering in, but
44:44then the
44:45administration trying
44:46its best.
44:46Remember, you
44:47know, there's
44:48nothing that they
44:48really can do
44:49much at this
44:50juncture, but
44:51they are trying to
44:52speed up the DNA
44:53process.
44:53There are more
44:54than 114 matches
44:55that have been
44:56done in the
44:57afternoon by
44:57afternoon itself.
44:58And the handing
44:59over process is
45:00also underway.
45:02We saw that
45:03former Chief
45:04Minister Rupani is
45:05handing over, you
45:06know, that
45:07happened right
45:08here.
45:08That was the
45:09only one that
45:10took a little
45:10while.
45:11But then apart
45:12from that, as
45:13soon as the
45:13families reach
45:14here, the
45:15ambulance is
45:15sent inside and,
45:17you know, the
45:17handing over
45:18process is done.
45:19They're trying to
45:19do it at the
45:20earliest and
45:21trying to make
45:22sure that there
45:22are no mistakes
45:23done, you know,
45:25that could add on
45:25to the grief of
45:26the families.
45:27They appreciate
45:28you joining us,
45:29Prajesh.
45:30Thank you there
45:30for, you know,
45:31joining us there.
45:32Because, you know,
45:32when you lose a
45:33loved one in an
45:34accident like this,
45:35there is never
45:36quite any closure.
45:37Those tears never
45:38dry.
45:39But the agonizing
45:40wait right now to
45:41at least give a
45:41befitting, graceful
45:43funeral to a
45:45death that was so
45:46much in the public
45:47glare is something
45:48that the families
45:49are desperate for.
45:50And we really do
45:51hope that that DNA
45:53match happens as
45:54quickly for them as
45:55possible.
45:56With that, there
45:57has been a
45:58breakthrough in the
45:59Ahmedabad plane
45:59crash probe.
46:00The cockpit voice
46:01recorder has been
46:02recovered.
46:03Investigators are
46:04now closer than
46:05ever to understand
46:06what went wrong
46:07in the final
46:07moments.
46:08amid twisted metal
46:18and shattered lives
46:19and a vital clue
46:21on what led to the
46:27catastrophic Ahmedabad
46:28crash.
46:31Investigators have
46:32recovered a critical
46:33piece of evidence,
46:34the cockpit voice
46:36recorder or CVR from
46:38the wreckage.
46:40This small device
46:41could unlock the
46:41final movements
46:42inside the cockpit,
46:44capturing every word
46:45between the pilots,
46:47every alarm, every
46:48system failure and
46:50every second of
46:51panic.
46:54Earlier, the black
46:55box of the digital
46:56flight data recorder
46:57was also recovered from
46:58the roof of the
46:59building hit by the
47:00Air India flight.
47:01Black box holds
47:04all the vital
47:04parameters and
47:06record of tech
47:07snags that could
47:08have afflicted the
47:09plane.
47:11Personal from
47:12US Transport
47:13Safety Board,
47:14officials from
47:15Boeing and
47:16investigators of
47:17the Aircraft
47:18Accident
47:18Investigation Bureau
47:19arrived to
47:20inspect the
47:21crash spot.
47:22The
47:40high-level
47:40government
47:41panel headed by
47:42the Union Home
47:42Secretary also
47:43met to evaluate
47:44if safety
47:45protocols were
47:46followed in
47:47Ahmedabad.
47:48The
47:51version of the
47:51man who lived
47:52in the deadly
47:53crash holds
47:54immense importance.
47:56An unseen
47:57video of
47:58Vishwas, the
47:59lone passenger
48:00to survive,
48:01emerged.
48:03Showing him
48:04being led away
48:05from the towering
48:06inferno after
48:07the crash.
48:08Dazed and
48:09disoriented, his
48:11account could be
48:12the key to find
48:12out what went
48:13wrong.
48:14How long
48:17before India
48:17gets answers to
48:18all its
48:19questions?
48:23Bureau
48:24Report,
48:24India Today.
48:27And,
48:28it is that
48:28black box which
48:29holds the
48:31answers to so
48:32many questions
48:33that 241
48:35families are
48:35asking, and
48:36of course the
48:37families of
48:38those on
48:38ground.
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