In this episode, Osman tackles the critical question: “How important are RaaS providers for users looking to launch rollups?” Catch Osman’s insights starting at 01:32.
This is Episode 4 of 8 from the talk show featuring Zeeve, Polygon, and Pentagon Games on the theme: “Unlocking the Potential of Web3 Gaming.”
Speakers:
Dr. Ravi Chamaria, Co-founder & CEO, Zeeve
Osman Salman, Senior Manager, Polygon Labs
Idon Liu, Chief Blockchain Officer, Pentagon Games
This is Episode 4 of 8 from the talk show featuring Zeeve, Polygon, and Pentagon Games on the theme: “Unlocking the Potential of Web3 Gaming.”
Speakers:
Dr. Ravi Chamaria, Co-founder & CEO, Zeeve
Osman Salman, Senior Manager, Polygon Labs
Idon Liu, Chief Blockchain Officer, Pentagon Games
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00:00uh now coming to you know if you see while somebody wants to launch their own rollup
00:07uh there are various components so one is the rollup stack and we have uh osman and and i don't
00:14both have talked at length about you know zk rollup stack and specifically uh polygon cdk which
00:20makes it super super easy to deploy your own rollup chain and it comes with a certain set
00:27of core components which enable you to launch your rollup but at the same time um uh all these
00:34stacks are pretty new the technologies are new there's a huge learning curve for any startup to
00:39launch something on their own and then in addition to that you know startups do require different
00:44other uh integrations different other features depending on their use case uh so there are
00:50various startups like in the gaming space and in d5 space who look for account abstraction and there
00:56are startups who are looking for interoperability bridges from day one right or support for
01:00alternate uh data availability because having ethereum as your data layer becomes super expensive
01:05even with blobs it's it's still still pretty expensive so uh um and that's where you know
01:13a player like z uh rollup as a service player comes in and i think osman since you are working
01:18very closely with the uh um rollup as a service teams so what are you what is your take on on the
01:24importance of uh having a vast player to partner with with somebody who is planning to launch their
01:30own rollup chain yeah uh very good question i think rollup as a service is one of the proven
01:36business models in the industry so far um the reason why it makes sense is um you know historically
01:44when you look at building and and maintain your own chain it required teams like really we're talking
01:51about tens of uh you know employees and and team members and contributors to actually you know build
01:58the chain maintain the chain and then grow an ecosystem around it um so i would say like um you know
02:06rollup as a service providers have this um know-how of launching chains at scale and there and and
02:14through that experience there are some repeatable patterns and these repeatable patterns uh are kind
02:20of like win-win they they not only help rob as a service providers launch more chains at scale but at
02:27the same time uh they kind of take away the the operational burden from the chain builders to uh build
02:35their own chains so at like at a at a very high level uh working with a role as a service is a very
02:42common um decision that we see in industry from polygon builders i would say majority of the chain
02:49builders end up working with their role of service providers unless they are you know building their
02:54own chain as an additional side uh business to their existing uh chain or there may be some other
03:00scenarios as well but we do see a lot of adoption from polygon uh builders uh to work with um
03:08robot service providers one particular thing from our working model from polygon's working model with
03:14robot service providers was that for polygon um it also made a lot of sense to work with robot service
03:21providers because the idea is that as polygon is building the base protocol um which is you know very
03:29technical it requires a lot of testing a lot of product research a lot of auditing on top of that you
03:36have to go out and implement it because even though you have all the documentation out there and
03:42theoretically anyone can go and use your uh documentation to build a chain it doesn't really
03:47work that way we're still talking about a pretty technical step uh that's where we as polygon benefited
03:54a lot from collaborating with the role of service providers like z because uh these providers we worked
04:00very closely with and we kind of uh equipped all these providers with the technical know-how of solving
04:07the the issues and and the interesting challenges of building a cdk roll-up and and we that helped us
04:17basically uh you know solve customer problems at scale implement a roll-ups at scale and and that was
04:24very this overall was a this created a very good flywheel so polygon could focus on building the
04:31protocol as well as some other activities to grow the ecosystem so that the chains that roll up as
04:37a service providers end up having an ecosystem once they're on mainnet and i actually you asked about
04:44actually in your previous question and maybe we can uh leave that to a little bit later but now with the
04:50ag layer are um now with the ag layer vision which is essentially uh the the vision that brings together
04:59all of the historical polygon uh protocols like posd kvm and various cdk chains um role to the service
05:07providers play a very key role as well if you if you ask how very simply uh for ag layer to benefit
05:15there needs to be more change for ag layer to make sense there needs to be more chains attached to it
05:20so that network network effects kick in and at this point roll-up to the service providers play a
05:27very key role because they kind of get into the weeds of ag layer and get into the weeds of each chain
05:33and they figure out well the service providers figure out the intricacies of attaching ag layer uh
05:41chains to the ag layer and we do foresee that the more chains are attached to the ag layer
05:47these intricacies will be a um a a pattern for role of service providers so these intricacies will get
05:55lower as well but that's that's kind of like how we're also thinking about working with uh role
06:00of the service providers like ziv in the future as well