Sarah Pochin accused of creating 'dividing line' in Reform with burka ban question by Lis

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Reform UK MP Sarah Pochin's call to "ban the burka" in Britain has sparked a fiery row on GB News, as commentator Jonathan Lis claimed the move "would have appealed to Ukip".The representative for Runcorn and Helsby used her first question to as Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer if would consider a ban.FULL STORY HERE.

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00:00Carol, this reform burqa ban story is going to be a massive, I predict.

00:06This is going to follow around Sarah Poacher, new female MP, first female MP for reform.

00:11She came out of the blocs yesterday in PMQ.

00:13She could have asked them anything.

00:15She asked Keir Starmer, does he plan to ban the burqa for safety like European countries?

00:21Which, of course, is not reform UK policy.

00:23Reform UK policy is to keep the burqa...

00:24Well, I was just going to say that, Piers.

00:25You're just taking the thunder there right now.

00:28So, no, she asked this question, which is a bit odd,

00:30because you'd think before you ask your first question,

00:32you might have a little chat with your reform colleague.

00:34I'm sure she did.

00:35And I'd think.

00:35Well, no, she didn't.

00:36Where was that next door?

00:36Well, apparently she didn't, because a lot of them have just said,

00:41didn't know anything about it.

00:42Faraj didn't know anything about it.

00:44Faraj, the guy called Zia Youssef, who you know...

00:46He's the chair.

00:47He's the chair.

00:47He said, he said, he was the one who called,

00:51he said he had no idea this was going to be a first question.

00:54And he said, and he wrote on Twitter,

00:56which is like a bit of a condemnatory thing to do.

00:58He said, I do think it's dumb for a party to ask the PM.

01:01They would do something else.

01:02Anyway.

01:03He's not wrong, is he?

01:04Well, well...

01:04I mean, he doesn't, he doesn't.

01:05It's very, it's poor for party discipline.

01:08I'm not saying this is any kind of reform bad.

01:09No, you're right, it is.

01:10But it's very stupid to open up a dividing line within your own party

01:13with a completely unprovoked, it's an unforced error.

01:17He's made an even bigger dividing line as a party chairman,

01:19to slap it down.

01:20It was her fault.

01:20Why on earth, if you know that there is a big dividing line

01:23in your party, which is quite divided on these sorts of issues anyway,

01:27well, she should know, she's an MP,

01:29that these are the sort of issues that would have been,

01:31would have very much appealed to the old UKIP party.

01:34In fact, UKIP used to talk about this stuff.

01:36Oh, stop it.

01:36But reform is the successor party to UKIP,

01:40but in all but name.

01:42It's not, it's nothing to do with UKIP.

01:44It's the same party leader.

01:46The left does that all of the time.

01:47The left does that.

01:48UKIP leader was Nigel Farage.

01:51Yes, but he's not, he doesn't support UKIP policy.

01:54Well, it's banned in nine countries in France.

01:56Yes, well, exactly, and that's the point.

01:58Let's stop going off the point.

01:59The point is, she asked, I think,

02:01which is a legitimate question of the Prime Minister,

02:03I think it was a trap for him,

02:05because whatever he says, he was going to be in trouble.

02:07The trap for her.

02:08The trap for them.

02:08They're the ones who fall into it.

02:10What she didn't realise was that it's actually going to,

02:11it's going to stuff her up now.

02:13Farage has had to come in and he's just saying,

02:15he's trying to balance it now by saying,

02:17it's a discussion that we should have at some point.

02:20And he said that on GB News last night, Carol,

02:22sorry for some trick,

02:22but if you want to see that,

02:23you can go to GB News.com and have a look at what Nigel said.

02:25Yeah, and I think it's, no, he's saying that,

02:28he's saying that.

02:30Do you think it should be Bambaloe?

02:32You know, I don't like seeing it.

02:35I really don't.

02:35I look at women in this country

02:37and I see them walking five paces behind their husband,

02:40sometimes two of them,

02:41and I think that's not our values,

02:44that's not how we live.

02:44But then you see a very distinguished academic

02:47at a university wearing a burka and you think,

02:49I don't think her husband told her to wear that.

02:50Well, no, probably not,

02:52but maybe that could be years of being taught

02:54that that's what you should do.

02:55Well, it depends what we're talking about here as well,

02:56because I think we say ban the burka,

02:58meaning all headscarves,

02:59but that's not really what we're saying.

03:00No, no, no.

03:01No, we're talking about the full face.

03:02No, it's a face covering.

03:03It's a face covering.

03:04You've been talking about the burka,

03:05which is a face covering.

03:06Yeah, it's a face covering.

03:07My position on this has always been,

03:09as a good liberal,

03:10that no one should be told what clothes to wear.

03:13I don't, it doesn't matter what I,

03:15it doesn't matter.

03:17Very, very funny.

03:18What other people choose to wear,

03:21I might not like it,

03:22especially on this panel often,

03:23but I'm not banned from,

03:25I'm not banned from it

03:26and no one else should be banned

03:27from wearing clothes

03:28and actually think that we should be,

03:30have a lot more liberal rules

03:31on what people are allowed to wear.

03:33Do you think it's right?

03:33I think women should be allowed to go to this.

03:35Do you think it's right

03:35that in a Western liberal democracy,

03:38I see women not just wearing the face covering,

03:40I see them wearing like cages on their face now

03:43and it's like a metal thing.

03:44No, that's the, that's the,

03:46that's the, that's the,

03:46that's the,

03:47they don't all have the metal cages on.

03:49That shouldn't be happening.

03:52I think when,

03:53we've got a problem with your mic Jonathan at the moment,

03:55so that's probably a relief to quite a lot of listeners.

03:57But, but don't you think when Starmer talked about strangers

04:00and people who feel like strangers are foreign land,

04:02part of that is the massive expansion of the book.

04:05I would say all head coverings are a barrier to conversation.

04:12Yes.

04:13I really do.

04:14If I'm sat on the bus next to somebody

04:15who doesn't have a head cover,

04:17a face covering or a hair covering,

04:18the chances are we will chat.

04:21And if they are covering their face

04:22and they're not looking,

04:24it breaks down that communication.

04:26But isn't that so,

04:27so.

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