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  • 5/29/2025
The Beechgrove Garden 2025 episode 9
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00:00Hello and welcome to Beechgrove Garden. On the programme some of the best begonias and why we love lavender.
00:21Coming up, Brian and I talk a load of begonias. Classic idea to brighten up a boring path, line it with lavender. A community garden for all in Kouros and Japanese azaleas that do well in our Scottish climate.
00:43Well Callan, there's lots of activity in the competition plots but I've still never heard what you're up to.
00:48I know it's really starting to heat up Brian. Now I'm not going to tell you all my secrets because I want to keep one or two things up my sleeve.
00:54But I identified right from the very start that it's a very small space. So I'm wanting to grow vertically to try and get so much more out this plot.
01:03So I've already got some sweet peas in here. We're going to have some runner beans in that corner. Peas in the stutcherums down here.
01:09So just think of all the crops and colour that we're going to get already just for growing upwards.
01:13And that's important to know because that's one of the rules of the competition. It's got to be colourful and productive, judged by Carol Baxter.
01:20And she's very strict.
01:22Oh yeah, she's going to be critiquing everything that we do.
01:25So, under here, this is where the brassicas are and of course it's really important that we cover them because the pigeons or the cabbage whites could really attack them.
01:32And I'm not wanting that, especially when it's getting judged.
01:35No, no. And you're taking this very seriously, I can see you.
01:37I am, I am. Now, the centre bit is where I'm going to get most of my colour from.
01:42So we're going to have some gladioli in the middle and some cosmos and zinnias.
01:47Nice.
01:48On the wings of that. But, because we're going towards a date in September, it's really important we get our timings right.
01:54Now, we kind of know maybe now that we're getting better weather, what kind of year we're going to have, but you never really can tell.
02:01So that's why we've started half of the gladioli in pots, maybe to get an early picking.
02:07But also, I've got some corns there where we'll plant now just at the same time, so we get two different successions hopefully.
02:13No, I like that. That's a good idea.
02:14Gladioli takes about 10 to 14 weeks some flowering, so you could say you are a bit early, but you're right, staggering that.
02:21We get a longer flowering season as well, so well done.
02:23And then down in this bit we're just going to have a whole range of different crops, and I said this to George,
02:28I'm probably being a bit ambitious, cramming a lot in here, but I think you have to be, I want to win.
02:33And now the soil's warmed up, we've got perfect weather conditions for direct sowing.
02:37So I've got my cane here and I'm going to sow some lettuce.
02:40And the variety, it's a nice red leafy one, it's amaze, and it's ideal for small spaces.
02:46So I've got my cane, I'm just going to take out a wee sort of drill here, but I'm only going to sow half the row.
02:51So again, maybe in a few weeks time, we'll sow the other half in there, so we get two harvests.
02:57What about your carrots? You better get them covered. What if Carol sees any root flying then?
03:01I know, now you mention that Brian, that's a good shot. I think I will get them covered.
03:04Yeah, well done. I'm going to wait to do some later and I'll leave you to get on with it.
03:08Thanks Brian.
03:10Particularly if you're living over on the west coast, you'll understand that rhododendron can be an invasive species.
03:26But that's really the Ponticum group. And in our gardens just now, there's some wonderful plants flowering.
03:31And now is the perfect time to do a bit of propagating to make some plants from our own stock.
03:38Now we could take some seeds, but because this plant here is made from two different plants,
03:43then the chances are those seedlings won't come true.
03:46And we could take some cuttings, but they can actually be quite challenging.
03:49So the best way we can propagate this plant is by layering.
03:52It's quite an easy method, and we're kind of mimicking something that I've seen many times with trees,
03:57where basically the lower branches are going to touch the ground,
04:01and from here roots are going to form, and these little shoots here will become plants in their own right.
04:08Now the first thing we need to do is to find out where the shoot is going to touch the ground.
04:13Now as you can see, I'm choosing ones that are lower at the ground already.
04:17If I was to go for one of these big ones, although there's lots of good material up there,
04:22you can see the resistance and I don't want to damage the plant and break that branch.
04:26So I'm going to use one of these ones that's already lower to the ground.
04:30Now this is the spot that we're going to get.
04:33So I'm going to pop this cane in here to mark it.
04:36But gee whiz, as you can see it's quite firm just now.
04:40One method you could do if you had lovely soft soil is to create a wee ridge,
04:45and then just get a bit of wire and pin that wee stem down.
04:49But as this is pretty solid, I didn't want to damage the roots of that plant.
04:53So what I'm going to do is going to use some of the soil to make a wee mound.
05:00Now this is a combination of garden soil and some leaf mould,
05:04and it's just a 50-50 mix.
05:07So make sure it's giving a well and truly good mix before you put it in the ground.
05:11And all we're looking to do is just create that wee mound.
05:17I'll give it a nice wee spread about and get that nice wee shape.
05:22So now you can see I'm not even having to force this bit of the branch down too far,
05:26and it's going to make a nice wee chute in there.
05:29So the next thing we want to do, I'm quite happy where the chute's going to reach the ground,
05:33and I'm just going to make that wee ridge that I was talking to you about.
05:37So that's a V-shaped ridge.
05:39And then next I'm going to make a wee scratch on the wood.
05:41So ideally you would use a cutting that's got some of that lovely fresh growth,
05:45but sometimes you've just got to work with what you've got.
05:48Now we're only looking about three centimetres or so,
05:51but I'm just going to use my sharp knife,
05:56gently scratch away at the back,
05:59just to make a wee wound.
06:03And as that starts to callus over,
06:06hopefully the plant will start to produce some roots from this little point as well.
06:09There we go. Don't want to go too far.
06:13Oops, and I forgot, of course,
06:16a wee bit of rooting powder at this stage is always a good thing.
06:20So get a wee dish, and then you can just rub it in.
06:25Of course, that's hormone powder, so that'll help stimulate the roots.
06:30We're then going to pop this in the ground,
06:33making sure it's got some good contact with the soil,
06:37and then firm it in.
06:39Now, this one here, although it's a nice bit of material,
06:45if I was to force it over, I'm going to snap it.
06:48So what I'm going to do is I'm actually going to cut this off.
06:54And that will give me a bit of room now to use these small stones,
06:59and I can hold that shoot down.
07:02And then I'm just going to use the rest of them
07:06to pack around it.
07:12Now, the best thing we want is for this little shoot to be pointing up the way,
07:17because eventually when it's made its own wee root system,
07:19we're going to have a cracking wee plant here.
07:21So just go all the way around,
07:23and make sure it's well supported and well packed in.
07:27Now, this is quite a low-grown variety,
07:31but if you had a bigger plant,
07:32if you think about the wind swaying the plant,
07:34it could weave this out the ground.
07:36So the stones make a brilliant job
07:38of just keeping everything in place.
07:44And then the next thing we're going to do is give it a water in.
07:47And the good thing about these stones is,
07:49they're going to act like a mulch.
07:50They're going to trap that moisture in place.
07:52And of course these stones are going to keep this mound cool,
07:55so the water isn't going to evaporate as fast.
07:57So all this will help with the production of the new roots.
08:00So this isn't a quick process,
08:02it's going to take about three or four years.
08:05But during that time,
08:06it's one of the best methods of propagation,
08:08because even though this plant's developing roots,
08:11it's still being supported by the mother plant here.
08:14But in a couple of years' time,
08:16I reckon I could make a wee cut here about 50%,
08:19so it's starting to damage that stem,
08:22so it's going to encourage that to rely a bit more on its own root system.
08:27Wait till the four years, dig it up,
08:29and I've got some cracking new plants for the garden.
08:37Time now for a trip to the borders
08:38to see Irene Berry's Japanese-style garden.
08:41Welcome back to my sanctuary.
08:52The days are warmer,
08:54and the cherry blossoms have given way to azaleas.
08:57As you can see, I have a range of Japanese azaleas,
09:01also known as evergreen azaleas, in my garden.
09:04They are at different stages of blooming,
09:07from small buds to full bloom.
09:10And I chose them not just for their colour,
09:14but also for their form, for their symbolism,
09:19as well as their flowering time to extend the season.
09:23Japanese azaleas,
09:25which can be found blanketing the hills surrounding ancient temples in Japan,
09:30are generally associated with temperance,
09:33temperance and modesty.
09:35Temperance, because it's a light feeder,
09:39it takes only what it needs.
09:41And modesty, because while the flowers are stunning,
09:45their form is low to the ground.
09:48Unfortunately, not all Japanese azaleas do well in our Scottish climate.
09:54Our summers are just not hot enough to ripen wood,
09:58which leaves them susceptible to winter damage.
10:01But here are some hybrid varieties,
10:05that can do well in any garden in Scotland.
10:08Here, for example, is azalea geisha orange.
10:13The flowers have a unique shade of salmon orange,
10:18that are eye-catching, but not garish.
10:22And here we have camisina.
10:24It has deep, rich, pink, small flowers that covers the whole plant.
10:30And together with other azaleas that bloom at different times,
10:36they create a whole tapestry of colour across the seasons.
10:40A tip, when choosing azaleas for your garden,
10:44it's useful to bear in mind their growth habit,
10:48as well as how they integrate into the landscape.
10:52I use them to create visual layers,
10:56planting them in front of taller trees,
10:58to create a sense of depth and perspective.
11:10I use the combination of Japanese aces and azaleas as well to frame views.
11:16One of my favourite views is through this lace curtain
11:19of the intricate leaves of the Japanese Acer Crimson Queen.
11:23When you part it, you can see the Japanese azalea summer sun
11:28that's just blooming now.
11:30And in the foreground, you can see the lovely stream that's trickling down.
11:34Today we'll be planting the Japanese azalea rococo.
11:43It's a neat, compact plant with purplish red foliage in the winter.
11:48To thrive, all Japanese azaleas need moist, well-drained, acidic soil.
11:55They do well in partial shade and full sun.
11:59So they have very shallow roots and they hate to be waterlogged,
12:04so it's important to check to see whether there are any roots
12:08that are being held back.
12:11And they're fine, they're very fibrous roots.
12:14And to give it the best possible start,
12:17I always use mycorrhizal fungi for ericaceous plants.
12:25And I sprinkle them on the side because they are surface rooting.
12:32And just one scoop will do.
12:35I use ericaceous compost mixed with composting pine needles
12:42and grit, horticultural grit.
12:46So it is loose, well-draining.
12:50And the composting pine needles will create an acidic soil as well
12:55on top of the ericaceous garden compost that I bought.
12:59Well, just make sure the top of the root ball,
13:04make sure that it's slightly elevated.
13:07The secret of success, I find, is to plant it like a slight hill.
13:13So that when you water it, the water will not gather around the root ball,
13:19but will flow around it.
13:26Just check each time, pressing it down gently.
13:30So give it a good drink.
13:33And if your compost is good, it will drain nicely.
13:39Right.
13:44Okay.
13:45To keep the moisture in, it's important to use a thin layer of mulch,
13:50preferably acidic material.
13:53I use pine needles.
13:56Or you can also use pine bark chips.
13:59So just sprinkle a thin layer around it,
14:03avoiding the main stems.
14:07Just around it.
14:10And that will keep the moisture in.
14:16Just pat it down gently.
14:18Just spread it out.
14:20And that's it for the day.
14:24I hope that my small personal selection of Japanese azaleas
14:29that are hardy for Scotland
14:31will whet your appetite to try some in your garden.
14:40And we'll be back to visit Irene later in the summer.
14:42But Brian, it's now time to talk about one of my favourite plants all the time.
14:45Yep, indoor varieties, outdoor varieties,
14:48flowers or foliage, pick up the big oreos.
14:51I absolutely love these.
14:52And there's around 2,000 different species out there.
14:55There's some amazing ones.
14:56The first one I'm going to recognise is the bedding ones.
14:59Yep.
15:00I remember as an apprentice growing thousands and thousands of these.
15:02We grew them inside the glasshouses and outside.
15:05Waxy, leathery leaves.
15:06I always remember the petals used to get stuck on them.
15:08We'd have to pick them off.
15:09Our head garden was very strict back in those days.
15:11And they do quite well, you know, either in pots or, you know,
15:14maybe at the front of our border.
15:16But I must admit, see the pendulum varieties that you grow in hanging baskets now,
15:20see if you get, you know, a really good summer with not too much wind
15:24and they just look absolutely cracking, you know,
15:26in a hanging basket by your front door.
15:28Yeah, they were started off as tubers a few weeks ago, weren't they?
15:31Piketty Sundance.
15:32Wonderful apricot colour, but they've got that lovely red edging.
15:35I must admit, if I was only going to grow one begonia,
15:38I'd probably go for the hanging basket type.
15:40So I do agree with you there.
15:41And if you store the tubers correctly, Brian, of course,
15:43they just get better year on year.
15:45Now, we've got the cane varieties over here.
15:47Now, I know this as the polka dot begonia.
15:50And now, in Scotland, we'll have to grow this in a conservatory
15:54or like we're doing in the glass house with a bit of shade.
15:57But over in America, they grow these outside by their pool.
16:00They must be huge.
16:01But the polka dot perfectly describes that plant.
16:04Wonderful house plant, see?
16:05Yes.
16:06I must admit, I've never met this one before.
16:08One of the garden team brought this one in.
16:09This is cathedral.
16:10Would you look at this?
16:12It looks like some of that, I can imagine it on a Victorian mantelpiece
16:15or something like that.
16:16It's a wonderful little plant.
16:17But then we've also got the Rex kinds,
16:19and they're the ones that we grow for the foliage.
16:21Yes.
16:22So a kind of purpley glow, aren't they?
16:24They've got all these silver markings,
16:25but these are wonderful plants.
16:26But they didn't like that sunlight, do they?
16:28No.
16:29A nice bit of shade,
16:30but also when it comes to the compost for that,
16:33they like 50-50.
16:35So you're wanting some 50% compost,
16:3750% topsoil with some fertiliser in there
16:39with a good bit of grit.
16:40And that's important,
16:41because we didn't want to overwater them.
16:42No.
16:43Because if you overwater them,
16:44we're going to make them too rotten.
16:45And that compost mix,
16:46very, very important.
16:47Yes.
16:48Now, with this Rex begonia here,
16:49I mean, these are grown for the foliage,
16:51but you do get a wee flower from them.
16:53But what's great about Rex begonias,
16:55especially at this time of year,
16:56is we could take some leaf cuttings from them.
16:58So what I'm going to do here,
17:00I'm just going to very carefully just cut this foliage off.
17:05And what's great about taking a leaf cutting, Brian,
17:07I mean, you wouldn't tell I've cut that off.
17:08It doesn't destroy the plant.
17:10Then I like to cut them down the vein,
17:14just like that.
17:16And then you can also, I like to go across the way.
17:20Ah, okay.
17:21Because if you cut across the way,
17:22Yes.
17:23from that one leaf,
17:24you could actually possibly get one, two, three, four.
17:28Brilliant.
17:29Then we've got our propagator here.
17:31And then all we're going to do is the part that you've cut
17:34is what we're going to put into the compost.
17:37Now you may need to weigh this down a bit,
17:40just to make sure it makes good contact with the soil.
17:45And then we'll put the lid back on.
17:48Then we'll put this into the greenhouse,
17:50or you could put that on a windowsill,
17:52but you don't want it sitting in direct sunlight.
17:54So what I would do is get an old newspaper,
17:57cover it over the top,
17:59wet it.
18:00That's going to help weigh it down,
18:01make sure it stays on.
18:02And then that's going to create the perfect environment
18:04and keep it out of the sunlight.
18:06Brilliant.
18:07It's been one of those days we're getting loads of plants
18:08for free today, isn't it?
18:09Magic.
18:10We like that as fifers.
18:11Ah, definitely.
18:12Time now to go visit a garden just outside Cooross.
18:15And it all started with an idea during lockdown,
18:17and it just grew from there.
18:27It's quickly become a shared space for food, friendship and support.
18:34At the heart of the project is Dean,
18:37who's been the driving force behind the development.
18:40When we first looked through that gate,
18:43it was two grass fields overgrown with kind of couch grass.
18:46The patio that we're sitting on now was a jungle of thistles,
18:51you know, about six, seven feet high.
18:53So we had to make the beds and clear everything
18:58and turn it into a garden.
19:04We didn't even know anybody in Abilidge then,
19:06so we had to get together a group of volunteers.
19:09A local farmer gave us 1,000 seed potatoes.
19:12Friends gave us seeds.
19:14We all chipped in and hired a turf cutter to make the beds.
19:17And that summer, we delivered every week
19:19to three local community pantries, kind of local food banks.
19:24So at the end of that, a lot of people were saying,
19:26you know, what do we do now?
19:27We've had our first season.
19:28Should we pack it in or carry on?
19:30And they said, God, we've got to carry on.
19:32You know, if it wasn't for this, I'd have gone mad, you know.
19:35So it was only at that point we realised
19:37that it wasn't just helping people in hardship.
19:39It was also a mental wellbeing, a mental health thing.
19:42People got out, they were able to blow off some steam,
19:45feel good, see some other people, chat.
19:48So that's how it began.
19:51They go right in, yeah. Push them in.
19:53In the corner.
19:54Yep. And then one over there.
19:56My name's Grant Stewart and I'm the gardener.
19:59And this is a wonderful space.
20:02It welcomes people in.
20:03It's a mental health space that happens to grow lots and lots
20:06and lots and lots of vegetables.
20:08What we're doing is combining not only the growing,
20:11but also the cooking so that people know what to do with food.
20:18You know, what we do is we grow and we cook food.
20:20So once a week we have a Friday community lunch,
20:23you know, which is very popular.
20:25And one thing that everyone can agree on is a tasty dinner.
20:28And so it draws people together.
20:30We have a fabulous kitchen team, fabulous food coordinator.
20:33We cook amazing food and people can see where the food's come from.
20:37It's pulled out of the ground, finds its way into the kitchen,
20:40gets cooked and served and we all eat it together.
20:42So I'm Joanne, I'm the food coordinator here at Grow West Fife.
20:49I also give cookery lessons here to a group of students using produce from the garden.
20:55And they make it here.
20:56They take it home.
20:57They enjoy it with their families.
20:59I love doing that actually.
21:00It's been great reward for me too.
21:02And they've become quite good friends.
21:04So people come and they have fun.
21:07They make new friends.
21:08They learn new skills.
21:10And they save a bit of money as well.
21:14Once we've got all these weeds away,
21:16we'll put some baby plants in.
21:18Yeah.
21:19We're going to plant some celery.
21:21Yeah.
21:22And some more lettuce.
21:23And more lettuce.
21:24I like having fun with my friends
21:27and coming here to Grow West Fife to work.
21:30Planting vegetables.
21:33And potatoes, onions and carrots.
21:37Sometimes we get to take them home with us.
21:41I like the onions the best.
21:46What we've noticed with volunteers is that they do come and go in waves
21:50that reflect what's going on in their lives.
21:52So people come when they need it.
21:54When maybe they're off work on stress leave,
21:57you know, where they're not feeling so great.
21:59And they come and they make friends
22:01and they take on leadership roles
22:03and they build up their confidence
22:05and they learn some new skills
22:06and then they go back to work
22:07or they get a job.
22:09And then maybe we don't see them quite so often.
22:11And that's a success.
22:12You know, when people get to a point
22:14where they feel they can go back
22:16and re-engage with their lives
22:18and crack on with their work,
22:19that's a real success.
22:21Are you a first time gardener then?
22:24Yes, I am.
22:25That's why I cannot leave.
22:27I don't know the weed from the plants.
22:32Working with volunteers, it's amazing.
22:35Doing different stuff like planting potatoes,
22:39working hard and that.
22:42It's exciting to do some hard work
22:48and it helps to clear your mind off stuff.
22:52Here we go.
22:53Do we eat the leaves?
22:54Yeah, the whole thing.
22:55Oh, yeah.
22:56Really?
22:57Yeah, this is delicious.
22:58Oh, I didn't know that.
22:59Look how beautiful that organic.
23:01Yeah, it looks really nice.
23:02It is.
23:03So, yeah.
23:04When I moved to Scotland,
23:07you know, it's one thing coming to foreign land,
23:11it's another thing to adapt to the weather,
23:14so it's a whole lot of things.
23:16In Nigeria, I just had a small garden
23:18at the back of my window
23:20where I grew yams and saks
23:22and then probably pepper.
23:24But here it's different because of the weather.
23:26You know, so that's one of the things
23:28we're still trying to navigate
23:30to see how we can actually grow these vegetables here
23:33in a different weather and see how it works out.
23:35So we've planted some veggies
23:38and hoping that it grows.
23:43In a way, the welcome's more important
23:45than what we grow.
23:46It's an acre and a half space.
23:47You know, there's a limit to how many.
23:49It's not a fishes and loaves operation.
23:51It's about teaching people skills,
23:54but mainly about bringing them together,
23:55whether it's for learning,
23:57for sharing a meal together,
23:58for cooking together.
23:59It's the bringing people together
24:01that really matters.
24:02April, May is the perfect time to be planting lavenders.
24:11And that's what we're going to do today.
24:12We're really wanting to improve the steps here
24:15in our bargain border.
24:16And by getting rid of some of this hard landscaping
24:19and edging, we want the lavenders to drape over.
24:22And when we walk down here and brush past,
24:24we're going to get the beautiful scent.
24:25Lavender is a great sensory plant.
24:27It's also going to be good for the wildlife.
24:30Now we've got two varieties that we're going to grow.
24:32We've got this one here,
24:34and this is a local bred variety
24:36to cope with the conditions up here
24:37and also the sandy soil.
24:39And this variety at the front is called Hidkit.
24:42And this is going to be the perfect variety to grow
24:44if you're wanting to do a lavender hedge,
24:46because it's nice and compact.
24:48You're still going to have to clip it at the end of the summer
24:51once flowering is finished,
24:52but it's not going to get as leggy and woody.
24:55Now, there's a few things that you need to consider
24:58when growing your lavenders.
24:59And it really all depends on how much of an instant effect
25:02you're wanting and also how many pennies you've got to spend.
25:05If you have a few pennies to spend
25:08and you want to make an instant impact,
25:10you can get bigger plants and plant them closer together.
25:13I wouldn't plant any closer than a foot apart.
25:17If you don't have as much pennies to spend
25:19and you're not really fussed how long it takes to grow,
25:22you can get smaller plants, plant them further apart,
25:24but I wouldn't plant any further than three foot apart.
25:28Now, as I say, we want to get rid of this hard edging here,
25:31but there's a bit of concrete in there.
25:33So I don't want to plant too close to the edging,
25:36but also I don't want to plant too far in,
25:38because the plants, once they're established,
25:40they'll grow to about the height of two or three foot,
25:43also the same width ways.
25:45So if I plant too far into the border,
25:47I'm then not going to get that lovely draping effect over the steps
25:51and when we walk past,
25:52we're not going to be able to brush past it.
25:54So, lavenders is a Mediterranean plant.
25:57They quite like a poor soil.
25:59They also like a dry soil,
26:01but not to worry, if you have quite boggy, wet soil,
26:04you could still plant lavenders.
26:06What to do is just create a foot high mound and plant into that.
26:11That means the roots aren't going to be sitting in water.
26:16Now, when it comes to planting new lavenders,
26:19they are going to require a wee drop of water in their first year,
26:22but you must at the minute follow current guidelines for your local area.
26:27But once lavenders are established,
26:32as I say, they're Mediterranean plants,
26:34established plants are quite drought tolerant.
26:37So maybe if you're being a bit selective
26:39of what plants you're watering at the minute,
26:41maybe established lavenders aren't at the top of your list.
26:44Now, time for some handy hints.
26:57I didn't want to be wishing my life away,
26:59but when I start to see these little bunches form,
27:02I can't wait till the end of summer
27:04and I'm going to be enjoying some juicy grapes.
27:06Now, our grape finds, they're vigorous growers,
27:08you're seeing lots of foliage here.
27:10So what you want to do is where your bunch is forming,
27:14count one, two sets of leaves,
27:18nip that off,
27:20do that with the whole plant
27:22and then all the energy is going to be focused on producing
27:25those lovely bunches of grapes.
27:31If your runner bean plants are starting to look a bit like this,
27:34tall and leggy,
27:35the best thing you could do is get them out into the plot.
27:38But you're probably a wee bit worried at the evening temperatures.
27:43So, what to do is,
27:45if it's going to be cool one night,
27:47get a bit of fleece,
27:48wrap it round your supports
27:49and that's going to give them some extra protection
27:51if the temperatures get cooler.
28:01Unfortunately, that's all from us today.
28:03Next week, we're celebrating the therapeutic side of horticulture
28:06when we're going to visit a project in the Cairngorms
28:08that's supporting dementia sufferers.
28:10Lizzie and Ruth are going to be up at Beechgrove.
28:13Lizzie will be planting out her satutery.
28:16If you've got a part of the garden that you like to sit in,
28:18but it's needing a wee bit of a revamp,
28:20then don't miss that.
28:21As always, head over to the BBC iPlayer
28:23where you can catch the series there so far any time.
28:26But for me and Brian, bye!
28:28I'll see you soon, Brian.
28:29Bye!
28:58Bye!