Kid Cudi is testifying about his infamous car fire-bombing ... and he says he knows Diddy had something to do with it, even though Diddy denied it to his face during a meeting where Diddy came off like a Marvel supervillain.
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00:00So Kid Cudi took the stand today, and as far as I'm concerned, Kid Cudi, at least I thought, would be the biggest link to the racketeering charge that Diddy faces right now.
00:14Right. And you think he was not, or after hearing his testimony, by the way, his testimony, we're going to get into it in a second here, is if everything he says is accurate,
00:26I don't know how you don't think this is linked to racketeering, because he testified Diddy and an associate showed up in his house, ransacked the place.
00:38Burglarized it.
00:39Burglarized it, locked his dog in a room, and set his car on fire.
00:46Right. Put a Molotov cocktail through the sunroof of the Porsche.
00:50Tell me which part of that is not...
00:52Violent enough to...
00:56Well, no, let's get into it, because I think this is really important. Let's talk about the testimony.
01:00I'm not advocating one way or the other. I see this both ways.
01:04Okay.
01:04So, you've got Diddy, who is using his employees, presumably, to burglarize the house, to throw a Molotov cocktail in his Porsche,
01:17and this is all because Diddy is jealous that Cudi is dating Cassie.
01:22Right. We should set the timeline here. He said, this is December of 2011.
01:26And Cassie and Diddy have broken up, and Cudi is now dating her, and he gets a call from Cassie saying,
01:36Diddy found out that you and I are dating. He's really upset. Can you come get me?
01:41Cudi goes and picks her up. They're in his car. They're going to a hotel, he says.
01:45And then they get a phone call from a woman named Capricorn Clark.
01:51Right.
01:52She is an assistant of Diddy's, and she says, I'm sitting in my car outside your house, Cudi.
02:00Diddy and another guy are in your house right now.
02:03And apparently, unwrapping gifts, which to me makes it look like, what's he giving her?
02:09Right.
02:09I mean, that's kind of what it feels like to me.
02:11Yes, because this is right before Christmas.
02:13Right.
02:13So they wanted to, they start opening up the gifts.
02:16Cudi, then his reaction to that is, I got to go back to the house.
02:21And confront, he calls Diddy and says, where are you? And Diddy says, I'm here at your house.
02:29So they're going to do a face-to-face that Kitty is going over there.
02:33Cudi is going back to see Diddy.
02:34And then Cudi has a change of heart and says, you know, I'm not going to do that.
02:39I am going to file a police report.
02:40Right. And you should talk about why he didn't, he said he didn't decide not to go back because Diddy's there with some other guy.
02:48He doesn't know what their intentions are.
02:50Right.
02:50Quite honestly, what he's saying is, I don't know if they got guns.
02:53Right.
02:54And if what they're going to do to me, I'm going to file a police report.
02:56So he files a police report and then a period of time passes and that's when the car gets torched.
03:04Right.
03:04Not that much time.
03:05This is only a couple weeks later because he said the car got torched in January 2012.
03:09So he spent Christmas with Cassie's family in Connecticut.
03:15They kind of broke up and then his car gets torched.
03:19He said somebody cut open the top of his Porsche convertible, the soft top, dropped in a Molotov cocktail.
03:24And now we have photos showing the damage.
03:27There's a red interior to the Porsche.
03:28There's a lot of fire damage.
03:30You can see where the Molotov cocktail got dropped into the driver's side.
03:34Austin, I don't know what your reaction was to these photos, but when I saw them, I thought, I mean, it's bad and it certainly shows that a Molotov car, some device was dropped in there.
03:45We had heard this as his car getting an attempt to blow up the car.
03:50And I guess you could say it was.
03:52I don't want to belittle the damage.
03:55And it's not even about the damage.
03:56Well, look, Charles, look, it's more about did Diddy order someone to do this?
04:01Well, if he did, yes.
04:03I mean, I think that's clearly what the jury received here, that Diddy did this.
04:08And that, yeah, I mean, if it's not as bad as you thought, it's just they weren't as effective that they intended to.
04:13Right.
04:14They weren't good at making Molotov cocktails.
04:15It doesn't matter.
04:16Yeah, they're bad at making Molotov cocktails, but they did it.
04:19But they still did it, and that's the point.
04:20Look, these are definitely mafia tactics that are being employed, and the jury is probably going to link those to Diddy.
04:26But I'm starting to understand a little bit what Harvey's saying.
04:28Let me say it, because I'm going to throw the grenade right now.
04:34Uh-huh.
04:35We've been having this discussion for a few hours now.
04:38These are tactics that organized crime sometimes uses.
04:43They will ransack a place.
04:45They will threaten somebody.
04:46They will blow up a car.
04:48Those are all tactics.
04:50The question, usually when you have organized crime, you have like a front, and in this case maybe the music business.
04:56But then they're operating an illegal business, whether it's selling guns or drugs or something like that.
05:04This is either, you could call it racketeering, or you could call it a crazy, criminal, jealous boyfriend.
05:16Yeah, look, the way I think about it.
05:18You just want to dismiss this like it's just a jealous boyfriend?
05:21No, I'm not.
05:22I said they're all crimes.
05:23They are all crimes for which he could go to prison.
05:26Uh-huh.
05:26Just not the crime.
05:28If he is using.
05:29Not the crime of racketeering, is what I'm saying.
05:31Are the employees of this.
05:33The way to think about it, Charles, that what Harvey is saying is a racketeering enterprise is if Diddy were running bad boy records,
05:40and to get an advantage in the record contract and the people he was signing to the label, he put a gun to their head and said, sign this or else.
05:47That would be in furtherance of the business he was running.
05:50This is a side hustle of he had some sexual predilections, and he did some crimes with his employees.
05:56That is a little bit different than running a criminal enterprise, and I think that's what Harvey is getting hung up on a bit.
06:01These are definitely mafia tactics.
06:03No one is questioning that.
06:04Well, wait a second.
06:04Hold on.
06:05So remember, Cassie was his artist.
06:08Right.
06:08And her mother already testified that when Diddy called to ask him for the $20,000, he said, this is money I spent on her.
06:16So I'm out of expenses on this artist.
06:19Charles, why did he?
06:19You better pay it back.
06:20Why did he demand it back?
06:22What?
06:23Why did he?
06:24He said, these are expenses that.
06:25I know what he said.
06:26Right.
06:27Why did he suddenly call Cassie's mother and say, I want the $20,000?
06:31Because she was dating Kid Cudi.
06:32Jealous criminal boyfriend who has an organization doing his bidding because he's a jealous boyfriend.
06:41You don't think mob bosses are jealous and they have petty reasons that they want things done, but they get it done.
06:48You don't go after mob bosses because of their action.
06:50It doesn't matter.
06:51No, it does matter.
06:52No, no.
06:52That's the thing.
06:53It does matter.
06:54It does matter.
06:55It's also, it's good for business in that he's head of bad boy records, so therefore, you're maintaining a reputation as a formidable person in the city business.
07:08And it's all over one of his artists.
07:09Okay, well, so now you're, I get it.
07:11You want to say there's a gray line between whether she's girlfriend or artist.
07:16If they believe Cassie, and frankly, I think they're gonna, about extorting her on that airplane saying, do a freak off or I'm going to release the tape, they got him on that charge.
07:26I mean, that's the interstate transportation of a sex worker using coercion.
07:30They got him.
07:31And that's an easy one.
07:33It's a layup.
07:34I think racketeering is a stretch is all I'm saying.